---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/10/03: 47 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Jon Johanson and his RV4 trapped on American Antarctic base (Doug Gray) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Fuel flow pulsation damper (GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com) 3. 05:08 AM - Baggage area fit-a little OT:-) (Dana Overall) 4. 05:14 AM - Baggage...oops (Dana Overall) 5. 05:40 AM - Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon (Bruce Swayze) 6. 07:05 AM - Re: John Johanson - another new article (C. Rabaut) 7. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon (Dan Checkoway) 8. 07:36 AM - Re: Fuel flow pulsation damper (Dave Bristol) 9. 07:48 AM - Re: Fuel flow pulsation damper (Vincent Welch) 10. 08:18 AM - Re: Anyone in the Chicago area? (DWENSING@aol.com) 11. 09:52 AM - Re: Does any KSTL area builder need help or want to show off RV project? (Ron Burnett) 12. 10:22 AM - stuff on eBay (czechsix@juno.com) 13. 11:12 AM - Re: Jon Johanson and his RV4 trapped on American Antarctic base (Richard Byrd) 14. 11:47 AM - Amazing video (Darwin N. Barrie) 15. 12:32 PM - Fw: An offer to pay the fuel bill for an RV-4 Pilot who lost his way (C. Rabaut) 16. 12:37 PM - Re: Gas scooter fits in baggage compartment (Jeff Dowling) 17. 12:40 PM - Re: Anyone in the Chicago area? (Jeff Dowling) 18. 01:15 PM - A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (Scott Bilinski) 19. 01:55 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (SportAV8R@aol.com) 20. 01:55 PM - (C. Rabaut) 21. 03:10 PM - (Mickey Coggins) 22. 03:38 PM - Re: (James E. Clark) 23. 03:38 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (James E. Clark) 24. 03:40 PM - Re: Amazing video (C. Rabaut) 25. 03:40 PM - Jon Johanson (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 26. 03:51 PM - Re: National Science Foundation (Alex Peterson) 27. 04:07 PM - Re: RV7-List: Re: Amazing video (Darwin N. Barrie) 28. 04:12 PM - Re: Amazing video (Jeff Dowling) 29. 04:29 PM - Re: Amazing video (Jim Jewell) 30. 04:41 PM - Re: Jon Johanson (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 31. 04:48 PM - Re: Amazing video (Bobby Sather) 32. 04:56 PM - Re: Jon & avgas in Antarctica (Blanton Fortson) 33. 05:05 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office (Mickey Coggins) 34. 05:14 PM - Re: (Bob Hassel) 35. 05:31 PM - Re: Jon Johanson (Andy) 36. 05:45 PM - Re: Jon Johanson (Jerry Springer) 37. 05:56 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (Bill Dube) 38. 06:12 PM - Re: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs (Curt Hoffman) 39. 06:16 PM - OT: Off to FL (Ken Balch) 40. 06:20 PM - Re: Amazing video (Alex Peterson) 41. 07:36 PM - Re: Amazing video (Sam Buchanan) 42. 07:46 PM - Re: Jon Johanson (James E. Clark) 43. 08:18 PM - TBird crash-what happened (Darwin N. Barrie) 44. 08:52 PM - Re:Jon and VH-NOJ (Peter Madden) 45. 10:50 PM - McMurdo Twits (Warren W Hurd) 46. 11:44 PM - Re: Scotch-Brite (Dave Smith) 47. 11:53 PM - McMurdo Fuel (Warren W Hurd) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:08 AM PST US From: Doug Gray Subject: RV-List: Jon Johanson and his RV4 trapped on American Antarctic base --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray http://news.google.com.au/ has a number of links do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:03 AM PST US From: GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel flow pulsation damper --> RV-List message posted by: GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com I bought the fuel flow pulsation damper for my RV 6 with IO-360 B1B engine (Transducer installed on top of engine before the distribution valve). My fuel flow during the first ten hours of flying has been amazingly accurate. All readings have been within .1 gallon total fuel. I do not think I will install the damper unless next summer it is required due to the heat. The fuel flow indication on my RMI Engine Monitor has been very steady at all power settings. One note to mention: I used a large radius bend in the stainless steel #4 line leading into the transducer, which may have improved the flow. Sharp bends in this area are problematic for proper uninterrupted flow. Greg Schmidt N250GS RV-6S Phoenix DVT Flying ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:34 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Baggage area fit-a little OT:-) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Anyone camping around me is certainly in trouble. I was curious, until I finished my canopy, whether a certain piece of "required" baggage would fit in it's case. After a little downsizing of the case, it does fit. http://rvflying.tripod.com/banjo1.jpg wonder if it's going to fit under here http://rvflying.tripod.com/banjo.jpg out of the case,a rough way to travel http://rvflying.tripod.com/banjo1.jpg case with canopy closed People around me at OSH, SNF,or that little ol southwestern flyin camping under the trees,may want to vote me off the island and banish me to the plastic airplane section........but "it fits"!! Let's see, a nice little grass strip, parked under a tree, cold pop and a cigar (and I don't even smoke) making a little noise................sounds like fun:-) Can I play it, heck no, but I have fun:-) Yes, I did a search of the archives for "banjo" and only found banjo fittings!! Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive Dont worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:04 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Baggage...oops --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" I didn't change one address, for those who care to look http://rvflying.tripod.com/banjo2.jpg case with canopy closed For those wondering if a guitar will fit, this is a full size 5 string banjo. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:18 AM PST US From: Bruce Swayze Subject: RV-List: Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon --> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Swayze Hello Dan! I've followed your web site with great interest, and I really like your panel! My question is, do you plan on putting in a "Glove Box" for maps, paperwork and so on? It looks like you have quite a bit of room on the right side of the panel for one. Just curious about your thoughts on this issue. Bruce Swayze DO NOT ARCHIVE At 05:58 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > >Top dead center, oh wait that means something else. But yeah, no doubt -- >center of my field of view: > >http://rvproject.com/images/panel/panel_640x210.jpg > >You mentioned using some conventional backups but no conventional airspeed >indicator? Curious. > >do not archive >)_( Dan >RV-7 N714D >http://www.rvproject.com --- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:29 AM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: John Johanson - another new article --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" We all have stories of friendship and people stepping forward to lend a little help when needed. Hey if it comes down to a $$ issue... I'd be happy to donate $100.00 USD (& I'm literally a "blue collar", middle aged working guy, with a wife, a mortgage, numerous bills, & two kids to pay for). If it's a letter or phone call campaign, I'd be happy to assist there too. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RE: RV-List: John Johanson - another new article > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Hi all, > > Looking at the Australian Antarctic Division web site I notice there is > a re-supply voyage in late December (we just missed the last one). I've > sent them an email asking how much to ship the fuel. It will be > interesting to see the answer. > > Voyage details > > Voyage 5 Ship : Vasiliy Golovnin Updated on 03-SEP-2003 > Purpose of voyage : Continental resupply > Comments : This voyage is to undertake resupply (apart from cargo can be > carried on Voyage 2 to Davis) of all continental stations. The AAD > contact for this voyage is Chris McGuire. Any queries should be directed > to Chris on (03) 62323274 or chris.mcguire@aad.gov.au. To ensure that > there is not a backlog of cargo to be packed after closing date, Program > and Project Managers should arrange for Voyage 5 cargo to be delivered > to Macquarie 4 as early as possible. For further information on cargo > delivery to macquarie 4, please email cargo@aad.gov.au or phone (03) > 62226382. > > Unless alternative prior arrangements are made, cargo for this voyage > should be delivered before 28-NOV-2003. Enquiries regarding the delivery > of cargo should be directed to the AAD Cargo Facility Ph (61) 03 6222 > 6382. Cargo for this voyage should be delivered to the AAD's Cargo > Facility at Macquarie No.4, Hobart. > > Voyage leader : MR Chris MCGUIRE > Deputy Leader : MR Brett QUINTON > > > Location Arrival Date Departure Date Visit details > Hobart 26/DEC/2003 30/DEC/2003 On-hire, load cargo, Casey and Mawson > SAB. > Casey 08/JAN/2004 14/JAN/2004 Resupply, deliver SAB, load RTA cargo. > > Mawson 21/JAN/2004 27/JAN/2004 Resupply, deliver SAB, load RTA cargo, > retrieve summer personnel. > Davis 30/JAN/2004 05/FEB/2004 Minor resupply (see Voyage 2), load RTA > cargo. > Hobart 16/FEB/2004 18/FEB/2004 Discharge, off-hire. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:33 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Nope, I actually think that using a huge chunk of the panel for storage is an incredible waste of space & volume that would otherwise be reserved for future panel expansion. I'm going to store various items like charts, fuel strainer, flashlight, pens, etc. in pockets located amidst the upholstery in convenient places around the cabin. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Swayze" Subject: RV-List: Re: Dan Checkoway's panel lay out with Dynon > --> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Swayze > > Hello Dan! > > I've followed your web site with great interest, and I really like your > panel! My question is, do you plan on putting in a "Glove Box" for maps, > paperwork and so on? It looks like you have quite a bit of room on the > right side of the panel for one. Just curious about your thoughts on this > issue. > > Bruce Swayze > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > At 05:58 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > >Top dead center, oh wait that means something else. But yeah, no doubt -- > >center of my field of view: > > > >http://rvproject.com/images/panel/panel_640x210.jpg > > > >You mentioned using some conventional backups but no conventional airspeed > >indicator? Curious. > > > >do not archive > >)_( Dan > >RV-7 N714D > >http://www.rvproject.com > > > --- > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:54 AM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel flow pulsation damper --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Wheeler, Have you tried a restriction in the line before the transducer? Not in the fuel line of course, but the line leading to the transducer. That just might smooth it out. Dave, RV6, CPM EAA Technical Counselor Wheeler North wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > >Although the boost pump causes it to oscillate more and read higher the >transducer oscillates with either pump, soooo, I was hoping this would make >the thing a little more stable if I can figure out where the heck to install >it. Any experiences out there. > >My existing system is tank - boost pump - fuel valve - transducer on floor >in cabin - gascolator - hose to engine FP - hose to carb. I was kinda >hoping that having the transducer between the ball and the gascolator would >be the best option, but now I don't know. > >thx >W > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:19 AM PST US From: "Vincent Welch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel flow pulsation damper --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" A pulstation damper simply adds volume to the system to absorb surges. Trapping the air is not really an issue. A damper usually is just inserted into the system with a tee. I think between the pumps would be just fine. Remember, this advise is worth every penny that you paid for it. :) Vince Welch Industrial Instrumentation Tech >From: Wheeler North >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: "''rv-list@matronics.com' '" >Subject: RV-List: Fuel flow pulsation damper >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:03:51 -0800 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > >Folks, > >second time I'm asking this, and second time I got nothing useful out of >archives. > >The steel ball fuel flow pulsation damper that Matt sells just arrived. It >is a ball with a nipple on the side. It has no extention extending into it >to keep air trapped inside no matter what attitude the aircraft might find >itself. > >So is air being trapped inside important to its function, it seems like it >should be, but I'll be darned if I can tell how it would stay there if one >flies upside down or negative for any time. > >Also the schematic is lacking in detail, specifically it does not really >give good data for a system with two pumps such as a boost and an engine >driven one. This is an issue because it will be a pressure line with the >boost pump on, and a suction line with it off if the transducer is between >the boost pump and the engine driven one such as in my installation. > >Although the boost pump causes it to oscillate more and read higher the >transducer oscillates with either pump, soooo, I was hoping this would make >the thing a little more stable if I can figure out where the heck to >install >it. Any experiences out there. > >My existing system is tank - boost pump - fuel valve - transducer on floor >in cabin - gascolator - hose to engine FP - hose to carb. I was kinda >hoping that having the transducer between the ball and the gascolator would >be the best option, but now I don't know. > >thx >W > > Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:09 AM PST US From: DWENSING@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Anyone in the Chicago area? --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com In a message dated 12/9/03 2:53:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, don@dmack.net writes: > West - Napper Aero - > http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/aptrpt.cfm?A=7&id=LL10 > West - Brookeridge - > http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/aptrpt.cfm?A=7&id=LL22 > Also West - is Casa de Aero where frequent list participant Dennis Persyck is based. He has sold his very nice RV-6 but would answer your questions I'm sure. Dale Ensing former Chicago area RV-6A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:04 AM PST US From: "Ron Burnett" Subject: Re: RV-List: Does any KSTL area builder need help or want to show off RV project? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Burnett" Do not archive Jerry, I am building an RV-6A in the O'Fallon area of St.Charles My phone 636-294-6583 Ron Burnett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Huether" Subject: RV-List: Does any KSTL area builder need help or want to show off RV project? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Huether" > > Is there anyone in the STL area building an RV that is interested in some > help? Situation as follows: > Possible flying job in STL area will require some reserve (on call) time > that may be ideal for me to learn more about RV construction and assist > someone building or flying an RV (more than 10 yrs experience as CFI, CFII), > and FWIW over 1 year as an apprentice A&P. > > Feel free to reply off list. > > Jerry Huether > Tualatin, Oregon > RV7 Preview Plans... > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:53 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: stuff on eBay From: czechsix@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com Guys, I have a few things on eBay if anyone's interested. If the link doesn't work just search on the item number. If you have questions please contact me OFF LIST. Thanks and Do Not Archive! --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing.... Turn Coordinator, item #2447588004 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447588004 Andair Mini Gascolator, item #2447590842 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447590842 Bendix Mags, item #2447592770 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447592770 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:10 AM PST US From: Richard Byrd Subject: RV-List: Re: Jon Johanson and his RV4 trapped on American Antarctic base --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Byrd McMurdo Station has quite a bit of automobile gasoline. According to the the U.S. Antarctic Program newspaper in December 2002 (http://www.polar.org/antsun/oldissues2002-2003/Sun120802/facts.html): Cost per gallon of auto fuel: McMurdo - $1.25 Gallons of fuel burned each year: gasoline - 130,000 McMurdo Station is managed by the Office of Polar Programs of the National Science Foundation. I'm sure they welcome public input on their treatment of pilots who make emergency landings there. The McMurdo Area Director is: Jim Scott The director of the Office of Polar Programs is: Karl Erb The director of the NSF is: Rita Colwell By the way, for a photo of Jon's plane on the ground at McMurdo, visit: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/richardbyrd29 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:23 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: RV-List: Amazing video --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries. http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:09 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: RV-List: Fw: An offer to pay the fuel bill for an RV-4 Pilot who lost his way --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Hey guys & gals, I sent this to the Director of the base where Jon Johanson is stuck. I'll let you know if/when he responds. Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: C. Rabaut Subject: An offer to pay the fuel bill for an RV-4 Pilot who lost his way Mr. Scott, You don't know me, but I'm requesting your assistance (no this ain't one of those bogus multi-million dollar offers wanting your private bank account information). Actually I'm a Police Lieutenant at our local P.D. I build & fly RV-4's and it appears that one of my colleagues (Jon Johanson) has inadvertently gotten himself in a predicament at your end of the universe. I live in Coalinga, California so it's a bit out of my reach to fly down & lend this miscreant lad a helping hand. Would you please consider lending your help to expedite the acquisition of fuel for Mr. Johanson's aircraft; auto fuel will suffice. I will gladly provide my credit card information or wire transfer the funds for fuel to get him on his way. If you are ever up in my neck of the woods, please feel free to contact me and I'd gladly buy you dinner at the fanciest restaurant we can find. If you have any questions, or there is a specific process I should follow to assist this gentleman, please call me or email me your phone number and I'll call you. Thank you, Chuck Rabaut work (559) ************* ext. 139 home (559) ************* cell (559) ************* ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:54 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gas scooter fits in baggage compartment --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" If you buy one, I would highly recommend one with soft, air-filled tires. Those little solid wheels will make your fillings fall out. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Gas scooter fits in baggage compartment > --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com > > Try GETaPED.com They list electric and gas scooters. Most are 20 to 25 > pounds and up. > > Larry Gagnon > RV6 N6LG > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:04 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Anyone in the Chicago area? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I live downtown but dont have my 6 there yet. I just flew the first flt last wk and have a total of .5 hours on it. Im not sure where Im going to keep it yet. Probably at Howe/New Lenox (sp?). Where are you? Jeff Dowling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: RV-List: Anyone in the Chicago area? > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > > What kind of RV presence is there in the Chicago area? Any airparks? > > > -Bill VonDane > EAA Tech Counselor > RV-8A ~ N8WV > www.vondane.com > www.creativair.com > www.epanelbuilder.com > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:19 PM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski A message from the director of polar office programs At 03:40 PM 12/10/03 -0500, Erb, Karl wrote: >Scott - i understand our concern. However, US policy of some 15 years >standing prohibits our doing so. WE have offered to assist him and his >plane in getting back to NZ but must do that consistent with US policy. The >taxpayers put the infrastructure there to support research and environmental >protection efforts and they expect us to use it only for that purpose. I'm >sure you appreciate the damage to those efforts that would occur were others >to follow Jon's example. In fact, similar events in the past have led to an >international thrust to further regulate access to Antarctica. I hope >things don't come to that. > >Karl Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:38 PM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com In a message dated 12/10/2003 4:14:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes: > >Scott - i understand our concern. However, US policy of some 15 years > >standing prohibits our doing so. WE have offered to assist him and his > >plane in getting back to NZ but must do that consistent with US policy. The > >taxpayers put the infrastructure there to support research and environmental > >protection efforts and they expect us to use it only for that purpose. I'd submit that the typical taxpayer doesn't know you're there, and if he did, he'd likely vote to pull the plug on your little party and cut his own family's financial losses. I'm > >sure you appreciate the damage to those efforts that would occur were others > >to follow Jon's example. Sure, there's droves of us EAA yahoos overloading our planes with avgas so we can make a 38 houir flight over the pole. Since it's so easy, we'll all be doing it soon, just for kicks. Rubbish, Komrade Karl. In fact, similar events in the past have led to an > >international thrust to further regulate access to > Antarctica. I hope > >things don't come to that. > > > >Karl So- "they" plan to put up the no trespassing sign on a continent that nobody owns? Look out for the Blue Helmeted thugs on the UN snowmobiles, huh? "Please understand, we must do this for the children, and the baby seals , and the whales!" I predict this boondoggle will ultimately have to be solved at a level somewhere over our buddy Karl's head, and I wish Jon well. -Bill B semper rantus do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:39 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Okay Guys & Gals, This is the reply I got. I'm gonna check further and I'll let you all know if something positive develops. Chuck Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: West, Peter T. Dear recipient, You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the National Science Foundation about the situation at McMurdo Station regarding a private pilot who recently landed there. I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information contained in this news release, which NSF has issued in response to the situation. [West, Peter T.] -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Julie A. [mailto:jasmith@nsf.gov] National Science Foundation 4201 Wilson Blvd. Arlington, VA 22230 "Where discoveries begin" For Immediate Release Dec. 10, 2003 NSF Media Contact: Peter West, (703) 292-7761, pwest@nsf.gov FROM ANTARCTICA ARLINGTON, Va.- A private pilot who landed at the main U.S. research station in Antarctica without sufficient fuel to continue his flight to South America will be offered passage back to New Zealand on a regularly scheduled flight, U.S. National Science Foundation representatives and their New Zealand counterparts said today. The officials also are discussing the possibility of sending the pilot's aircraft back aboard a supply ship that normally visits the station in February at the end of each research season. In keeping with U.S. policy toward private expeditions in Antarctica, NSF will charge the pilot, Jon Johanson, for the costs of the flight to New Zealand and for shipping his aircraft. Johanson, an Australian citizen, apparently was attempting to fly from New Zealand to South America over Antarctica, when he landed at McMurdo Station, NSF's logistics hub in Antarctica, on Dec. 8. Strong head winds forced him to abandon his intended destination, fearing he would not have enough fuel to complete his journey. Upon arriving at McMurdo, he told U.S. officials that he did not have enough fuel to continue and requested to buy some. Because officials at McMurdo Station or at New Zealand's Scott Base weren't informed of the flight, no preparations were made for an emergency landing. Under an agreement between the two nations, both the U.S. and New Zealand provide C-130 cargo aircraft to transport scientific and logistics personnel and cargo to Antarctic during the research season, which begins in late October and ends in February. In this case, it was agreed that Johansen would be allowed to fly north on one of the returning flights, which are scheduled several times a week. "We have extended the pilot the normal courtesies routinely offered by New Zealand and U.S. stations in Antarctica," said Lou Sanson, the chief executive officer of Antarctica New Zealand (ANZ), the national scientific research program. "The pilot should have made the decision to abandon his original flight plans much sooner when faced with these weather conditions and returned to Invercargill in New Zealand." Neither NSF nor Antarctica New Zealand, both of which are government-funded scientific research programs, supply or stock fuel for private individuals. NSF's policy is that private expeditions should carry sufficient insurance to cover the costs of search and rescue efforts, if needed. Had Johansen failed to reach McMurdo safely, the U.S. and New Zealand programs would have had to mount search-and-rescue efforts at considerable cost and risk not only to the search-and rescue teams, but also to scientific field teams in the field who might have required those resources. ### NSF PR03-141 The National Science Foundation is an independent federal agency that supports fundamental research and education across all fields of science and engineering, with an annual budget of nearly $5 billion. National Science Foundation funds reach all 50 states through grants to nearly 2,000 universities and institutions. Each year, NSF receives about 30,000 competitive requests for funding, and makes about 10,000 new funding awards. The National Science Foundation also awards over $200 million in professional and service contracts yearly. Receive official National Science Foundation news electronically through the e-mail delivery system, NSFnews. To subscribe, send an e-mail message to join-nsfnews@lists.nsf.gov. In the body of the message, type "subscribe nsfnews" and then type your name. (Ex.: "subscribe nsfnews John Smith") Useful National Science Foundation Web Sites: NSF Home Page: http://www.nsf.gov News Highlights: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa Newsroom: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/start.htm Science Statistics: http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/stats.htm Awards Searches: http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/a6/A6Start.htm --- You are currently subscribed to nsfnews as: pwest@nsf.gov To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-nsfnews-37594I@lists.nsf.gov ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:28 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins HOME FROM ANTARCTICA HOME FROM ANTARCTICA --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins HOME FROM ANTARCTICA HOME FROM ANTARCTICA Here is the bad news from the NSF Media contact guy, Peter West. I sent him a response, but I doubt it will get too far. Mickey >From: "West, Peter T." > FROM ANTARCTICA > >Dear recipient, > > You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the National Science Foundation about the situation at McMurdo Station regarding a private pilot who recently landed there. > >I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information contained in this news release, which NSF has issued in response to the situation. > > >[West, Peter T.] > > -----Original Message----- >From: Smith, Julie A. [mailto:jasmith@nsf.gov] >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:47 PM >To: NSF News > >National Science Foundation >4201 Wilson Blvd. >Arlington, VA 22230 >"Where discoveries begin" > >For Immediate Release >Dec. 10, 2003 > >NSF Media Contact: Peter West, (703) 292-7761, pwest@nsf.gov > >FROM ANTARCTICA > >ARLINGTON, Va.- A private pilot who landed at the main U.S. >research station in Antarctica without sufficient fuel to >continue his flight to South America will be offered passage back >to New Zealand on a regularly scheduled flight, U.S. National >Science Foundation representatives and their New Zealand >counterparts said today. > >The officials also are discussing the possibility of sending the >pilot's aircraft back aboard a supply ship that normally visits >the station in February at the end of each research season. >In keeping with U.S. policy toward private expeditions in >Antarctica, NSF will charge the pilot, Jon Johanson, for the >costs of the flight to New Zealand and for shipping his aircraft. > >Johanson, an Australian citizen, apparently was attempting to fly >from New Zealand to South America over Antarctica, when he landed >at McMurdo Station, NSF's logistics hub in Antarctica, on Dec. 8. > >Strong head winds forced him to abandon his intended destination, >fearing he would not have enough fuel to complete his journey. >Upon arriving at McMurdo, he told U.S. officials that he did not >have enough fuel to continue and requested to buy some. > >Because officials at McMurdo Station or at New Zealand's Scott >Base weren't informed of the flight, no preparations were made >for an emergency landing. > >Under an agreement between the two nations, both the U.S. and New >Zealand provide C-130 cargo aircraft to transport scientific and >logistics personnel and cargo to Antarctic during the research >season, which begins in late October and ends in February. In >this case, it was agreed that Johansen would be allowed to fly >north on one of the returning flights, which are scheduled >several times a week. > >"We have extended the pilot the normal courtesies routinely >offered by New Zealand and U.S. stations in Antarctica," said Lou >Sanson, the chief executive officer of Antarctica New Zealand >(ANZ), the national scientific research program. "The pilot >should have made the decision to abandon his original flight >plans much sooner when faced with these weather conditions and >returned to Invercargill in New Zealand." > >Neither NSF nor Antarctica New Zealand, both of which are >government-funded scientific research programs, supply or stock >fuel for private individuals. NSF's policy is that private >expeditions should carry sufficient insurance to cover the costs >of search and rescue efforts, if needed. > >Had Johansen failed to reach McMurdo safely, the U.S. and New >Zealand programs would have had to mount search-and-rescue >efforts at considerable cost and risk not only to the search-and >rescue teams, but also to scientific field teams in the field who >might have required those resources. > >### > >NSF PR03-141 > >The National Science Foundation is an independent federal agency >that supports fundamental research and education across all >fields of science and engineering, with an annual budget of >nearly $5 billion. National Science Foundation funds reach all >50 states through grants to nearly 2,000 universities and >institutions. Each year, NSF receives about 30,000 competitive >requests for funding, and makes about 10,000 new funding awards. >The National Science Foundation also awards over $200 million in >professional and service contracts yearly. > >Receive official National Science Foundation news electronically >through the e-mail delivery system, NSFnews. To subscribe, send >an e-mail message to join-nsfnews@lists.nsf.gov. In the body of >the message, type "subscribe nsfnews" and then type your name. >(Ex.: "subscribe nsfnews John Smith") > >Useful National Science Foundation Web Sites: >NSF Home Page: http://www.nsf.gov >News Highlights: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa >Newsroom: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/start.htm >Science Statistics: http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/stats.htm >Awards Searches: http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/a6/A6Start.htm >--- -- Mickey Coggins GSM: +41-79-210-3762 FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762 http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:25 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RV-List: RE: --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Interesting. I wonder, if the "Friends of Johanson" offered to pick up the tab for the shipment of fuel on the next ship out what would be the reason for NOT accepting such and outpouring from the citizens of the US and NZ (and the world for that matter). James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C. Rabaut > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:57 PM > To: rv4-list@matronics.com > Subject: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Okay Guys & Gals, > > This is the reply I got. I'm gonna check further and > I'll let you all know if something positive develops. > > Chuck > > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: West, Peter T. > To: 'Fiveonepw@aol.com' ; 'brettjepson@yahoo.com' ; > 'crabaut@coalinga.com' ; 'mick@rv8.ch' > > > Dear recipient, > > You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the > National Science Foundation about the situation at McMurdo > Station regarding a private pilot who recently landed there. > > I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information > contained in this news release, which NSF has issued in response > to the situation. > > > [West, Peter T.] > > - > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:25 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" As I posted to a different message on the subject ... Interesting. I wonder, if the "Friends of Johanson" offered to pick up the tab for the shipment of fuel on the next ship out what would be the reason for NOT accepting such and outpouring from the citizens of the US and NZ (and the world for that matter). James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:15 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > > A message from the director of polar office programs > > At 03:40 PM 12/10/03 -0500, Erb, Karl wrote: > >Scott - i understand our concern. However, US policy of some 15 years > >standing prohibits our doing so. WE have offered to assist him and his > >plane in getting back to NZ but must do that consistent with US > policy. The > >taxpayers put the infrastructure there to support research and > environmental > >protection efforts and they expect us to use it only for that > purpose. I'm > >sure you appreciate the damage to those efforts that would occur > were others > >to follow Jon's example. In fact, similar events in the past > have led to an > >international thrust to further regulate access to Antarctica. I hope > >things don't come to that. > > > >Karl > > > Scott Bilinski > Eng dept 305 > Phone (858) 657-2536 > Pager (858) 502-5190 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:37 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Darwin, I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this clip? Thanks, Chuck do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Darwin N. Barrie Subject: RV-List: Amazing video > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries. > > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:44 PM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: RV-List: Jon Johanson --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his office is now underway. I'll keep you posted. Andy Builder's Bookstore do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:42 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RV-List: RE: National Science Foundation --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > National Science Foundation > "Where discoveries begin" Oh? Just what do we get for our billions of tax dollars? I suppose we are protecting some special Antarctic bacteria. I'll bet it would really be entertaining to be a speck on the wall down at that joint. If we suggest to our elected representatives that perhaps the whole thing should be shut down, maybe things will move off dead center for Jon. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 423 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:49 PM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" It is clean on mine, maybe just your system rejecting it. Darwin ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video > --> RV7-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Darwin, > > I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus > and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this clip? > Thanks, > > Chuck > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darwin N. Barrie > To: ; ; > > Subject: RV-List: Amazing video > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > > > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent > Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries. > > > > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg > > > > Darwin N. Barrie > > Chandler AZ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:06 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Worked on mine. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Darwin, > > I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus > and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this clip? > Thanks, > > Chuck > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darwin N. Barrie > To: ; ; > > Subject: RV-List: Amazing video > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > > > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent > Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries. > > > > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg > > > > Darwin N. Barrie > > Chandler AZ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:11 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Chuck, It worked for me. Jim in Kelowna do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Darwin, > > I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus > and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this clip? > Thanks, > > Chuck > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darwin N. Barrie > To: ; ; > > Subject: RV-List: Amazing video > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > > > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent > Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries. > > > > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg > > > > Darwin N. Barrie > > Chandler AZ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:47 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: Jon Johanson --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Aircraft Technical Book Company wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" > > I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his > office is now underway. I'll keep you posted. > > Andy > Builder's Bookstore > > do not archive > I sent a letter to Danglin' Dick Durbin, (D) IL and as normal, no reply......Also to Pete Fitzgerald (R) IL , no Reply...... Phil ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:22 PM PST US From: "Bobby Sather" Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video --> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" My computer also rejected it. Liked to have seen it but could not do it bobby do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Darwin, > > I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus > and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this clip? > Thanks, > > Chuck > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darwin N. Barrie > To: ; ; > > Subject: RV-List: Amazing video > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > > > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent > Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries. > > > > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg > > > > Darwin N. Barrie > > Chandler AZ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:46 PM PST US From: Blanton Fortson Subject: RV-List: Re: Jon & avgas in Antarctica --> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson There is a Cessna 185 of Canadian registry which winters over in a dug-in hanger under the ice in Antarctica and flies the summer months doing logistical support all over Antarctica. The operating company has been Adventure Network International. http://www.adventure-network.com/ Toll-Free (866) 395-6664 International (561) 237-2359 Fax (561) 347-7523 Adventure Network International 4800 N. Federal Highway Suite 307D Boca Raton, FL 33431, USA general@adventure-network.com Monday-Friday 9:00 - 5:00 ANI also has flown twin otters, a South African C-130, and a Russian Il-76 (http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/Il-76bsmall.jpg) out of Punta Arenas, Chile. Their main Antarctic base has been adjacent to a natural 7,000 ft. blue ice runway in the Patriot Hills =A0 Established in 1987, it is the only private camp in Antarctica. The camp is at 80=BA 19' south latitude and 81=BA 16' west longitude, 1000m above sea level and 1076km from the South Pole. An acquaintance, Tony Martin of K2 Aviation, Talkeetna, Alaska, flew the Antarctic 185 for a season a couple of years ago. Tony works in the Alaska summer for K2 Aviation, (907) 733-2291 in Talkeetna. http://www.flyk2.com/ K2 email: info@flyk2 I volunteer this info. not knowing if it will be helpful to anyone at all but rather to point out that in years past, and possibly currently, there have been private caches of avgas on the Southern Continent. In addition to ANI's primary bases, Tony used to to cache barrels of avgas here and there for contingencies. He'd find 'em by GPS. My understanding is that for some number ofv years ANI has been the largest non-governmental logistical support outfit on the Southern Continent. Perhaps someone in Punta Arenas, or someone else connected with ANI, might have some useful information. It's possible that Tony could be tracked down via K2 or via someone else in Talkeetna. Tony may have a bit of relatively current Antarctic "general aviation" information. He's been there and done that. (in a Cessna!) I hear from K2 that Tony is on holiday visiting family somewhere in the Eastern US right now. Punta Arenas (ANI) During the Antarctic season (October through February) ANI opens it's Antarctic=A0operations office in Punta Arenas, Chile. To contact Adventure Network International in Chile (October-February): Adventure Network International 935 Arauco Punta Arenas Chile South America Tel: (56) 61 24 77 35 Fax: (56) 61 22 61 67 E-mail: anichile@ctcinternet.cl Possibly and unfortunately. ANI may have little (or no) presence in the South this season. (I just ran across this press release)... http://www.adventure-network.com/display.asp?navid4&id209 News Release Contact: Susan Keaveney Phone: 407-523-2742 E-mail: susan@adventure-network.com Adventure Network International to Suspend 2003/2004 Antarctic Operations BOCA RATON, Fla. (August, 2003) =97 Adventure Network International has officially announced their decision to postpone operations to the Antarctic interior until 2004/2005. The decision, made in late July, was intentionally not made public until all communications to staff and clients were first addressed. (might not hurt to call 'em) Kind Regards, (and best wishes to Jon!) Blanton Fortson (Anchorage) 907 229 2971 http://homepage.mac.com/blanton ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ..................................................... On Dec 10, 2003, at 2:09 PM, Mickey Coggins wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > HOME FROM ANTARCTICA HOME FROM ANTARCTICA > > Here is the bad news from the NSF Media contact guy, Peter West. > > I sent him a response, but I doubt it will get too far. > > Mickey > > >> From: "West, Peter T." >> FROM ANTARCTICA >> >> Dear recipient, >> >> You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the National >> Science Foundation about the situation at McMurdo Station regarding a >> private pilot who recently landed there. >> >> I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information >> contained in this news release, which NSF has issued in response to >> the situation. >> >> >> [West, Peter T.] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Smith, Julie A. [mailto:jasmith@nsf.gov] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:47 PM >> To: NSF News >> >> National Science Foundation >> 4201 Wilson Blvd. >> Arlington, VA 22230 >> "Where discoveries begin" >> >> For Immediate Release >> Dec. 10, 2003 >> >> NSF Media Contact: Peter West, (703) 292-7761, pwest@nsf.gov >> >> FROM ANTARCTICA >> >> ARLINGTON, Va.- A private pilot who landed at the main U.S. >> research station in Antarctica without sufficient fuel to >> continue his flight to South America will be offered passage back >> to New Zealand on a regularly scheduled flight, U.S. National >> Science Foundation representatives and their New Zealand >> counterparts said today. >> >> The officials also are discussing the possibility of sending the >> pilot's aircraft back aboard a supply ship that normally visits >> the station in February at the end of each research season. >> In keeping with U.S. policy toward private expeditions in >> Antarctica, NSF will charge the pilot, Jon Johanson, for the >> costs of the flight to New Zealand and for shipping his aircraft. >> >> Johanson, an Australian citizen, apparently was attempting to fly >> from New Zealand to South America over Antarctica, when he landed >> at McMurdo Station, NSF's logistics hub in Antarctica, on Dec. 8. >> >> Strong head winds forced him to abandon his intended destination, >> fearing he would not have enough fuel to complete his journey. >> Upon arriving at McMurdo, he told U.S. officials that he did not >> have enough fuel to continue and requested to buy some. >> >> Because officials at McMurdo Station or at New Zealand's Scott >> Base weren't informed of the flight, no preparations were made >> for an emergency landing. >> >> Under an agreement between the two nations, both the U.S. and New >> Zealand provide C-130 cargo aircraft to transport scientific and >> logistics personnel and cargo to Antarctic during the research >> season, which begins in late October and ends in February. In >> this case, it was agreed that Johansen would be allowed to fly >> north on one of the returning flights, which are scheduled >> several times a week. >> >> "We have extended the pilot the normal courtesies routinely >> offered by New Zealand and U.S. stations in Antarctica," said Lou >> Sanson, the chief executive officer of Antarctica New Zealand >> (ANZ), the national scientific research program. "The pilot >> should have made the decision to abandon his original flight >> plans much sooner when faced with these weather conditions and >> returned to Invercargill in New Zealand." >> >> Neither NSF nor Antarctica New Zealand, both of which are >> government-funded scientific research programs, supply or stock >> fuel for private individuals. NSF's policy is that private >> expeditions should carry sufficient insurance to cover the costs >> of search and rescue efforts, if needed. >> >> Had Johansen failed to reach McMurdo safely, the U.S. and New >> Zealand programs would have had to mount search-and-rescue >> efforts at considerable cost and risk not only to the search-and >> rescue teams, but also to scientific field teams in the field who >> might have required those resources. >> >> ### >> >> NSF PR03-141 >> >> The National Science Foundation is an independent federal agency >> that supports fundamental research and education across all >> fields of science and engineering, with an annual budget of >> nearly $5 billion. National Science Foundation funds reach all >> 50 states through grants to nearly 2,000 universities and >> institutions. Each year, NSF receives about 30,000 competitive >> requests for funding, and makes about 10,000 new funding awards. >> The National Science Foundation also awards over $200 million in >> professional and service contracts yearly. >> >> Receive official National Science Foundation news electronically >> through the e-mail delivery system, NSFnews. To subscribe, send >> an e-mail message to join-nsfnews@lists.nsf.gov. In the body of >> the message, type "subscribe nsfnews" and then type your name. >> (Ex.: "subscribe nsfnews John Smith") >> >> Useful National Science Foundation Web Sites: >> NSF Home Page: http://www.nsf.gov >> News Highlights: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa >> Newsroom: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/start.htm >> Science Statistics: http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/stats.htm >> Awards Searches: http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/a6/A6Start.htm >> --- > > -- > Mickey Coggins > GSM: +41-79-210-3762 > FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762 > http://www.rv8.ch/ > #82007 > Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:07 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Programs Subject: RE: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Programs I've got my check book out... As was previously posted, the cost of gasoline there is cheaper than in the USA and certainly most of the world, probably due to no tax. 1.25 USD/gallon in 2002 http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0105.html As much as they burn, they can spare 100 gallons until the next shipment comes in. Perhaps they should open up a FBO there to offset some of the tax money they spend. >I wonder, if the "Friends of Johanson" offered to pick up the tab for the >shipment of fuel on the next ship out what would be the reason for NOT >accepting such and outpouring from the citizens of the US and NZ (and the >world for that matter). > >James -- Mickey Coggins GSM: +41-79-210-3762 FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762 http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:47 PM PST US From: "Bob Hassel" Subject: RV-List: RE: --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" Sounds like an entrenched bureaucrat - must be time for him to retire to warmer climates. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C. Rabaut Subject: --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Okay Guys & Gals, This is the reply I got. I'm gonna check further and I'll let you all know if something positive develops. Chuck Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: West, Peter T. 'mick@rv8.ch' Dear recipient, You recently have expressed both interest and concern to the National Science Foundation about the situation at McMurdo Station regarding a private pilot who recently landed there. I thought you would perhaps be interested in the information contained in this news release, which NSF has issued in response to the situation. [West, Peter T.] -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Julie A. [mailto:jasmith@nsf.gov] National Science Foundation 4201 Wilson Blvd. Arlington, VA 22230 "Where discoveries begin" For Immediate Release Dec. 10, 2003 NSF Media Contact: Peter West, (703) 292-7761, pwest@nsf.gov FROM ANTARCTICA ARLINGTON, Va.- A private pilot who landed at the main U.S. research station in Antarctica without sufficient fuel to continue his flight to South America will be offered passage back to New Zealand on a regularly scheduled flight, U.S. National Science Foundation representatives and their New Zealand counterparts said today. The officials also are discussing the possibility of sending the pilot's aircraft back aboard a supply ship that normally visits the station in February at the end of each research season. In keeping with U.S. policy toward private expeditions in Antarctica, NSF will charge the pilot, Jon Johanson, for the costs of the flight to New Zealand and for shipping his aircraft. Johanson, an Australian citizen, apparently was attempting to fly from New Zealand to South America over Antarctica, when he landed at McMurdo Station, NSF's logistics hub in Antarctica, on Dec. 8. Strong head winds forced him to abandon his intended destination, fearing he would not have enough fuel to complete his journey. Upon arriving at McMurdo, he told U.S. officials that he did not have enough fuel to continue and requested to buy some. Because officials at McMurdo Station or at New Zealand's Scott Base weren't informed of the flight, no preparations were made for an emergency landing. Under an agreement between the two nations, both the U.S. and New Zealand provide C-130 cargo aircraft to transport scientific and logistics personnel and cargo to Antarctic during the research season, which begins in late October and ends in February. In this case, it was agreed that Johansen would be allowed to fly north on one of the returning flights, which are scheduled several times a week. "We have extended the pilot the normal courtesies routinely offered by New Zealand and U.S. stations in Antarctica," said Lou Sanson, the chief executive officer of Antarctica New Zealand (ANZ), the national scientific research program. "The pilot should have made the decision to abandon his original flight plans much sooner when faced with these weather conditions and returned to Invercargill in New Zealand." Neither NSF nor Antarctica New Zealand, both of which are government-funded scientific research programs, supply or stock fuel for private individuals. NSF's policy is that private expeditions should carry sufficient insurance to cover the costs of search and rescue efforts, if needed. Had Johansen failed to reach McMurdo safely, the U.S. and New Zealand programs would have had to mount search-and-rescue efforts at considerable cost and risk not only to the search-and rescue teams, but also to scientific field teams in the field who might have required those resources. ### NSF PR03-141 The National Science Foundation is an independent federal agency that supports fundamental research and education across all fields of science and engineering, with an annual budget of nearly $5 billion. National Science Foundation funds reach all 50 states through grants to nearly 2,000 universities and institutions. Each year, NSF receives about 30,000 competitive requests for funding, and makes about 10,000 new funding awards. The National Science Foundation also awards over $200 million in professional and service contracts yearly. Receive official National Science Foundation news electronically through the e-mail delivery system, NSFnews. To subscribe, send an e-mail message to join-nsfnews@lists.nsf.gov. In the body of the message, type "subscribe nsfnews" and then type your name. (Ex.: "subscribe nsfnews John Smith") Useful National Science Foundation Web Sites: NSF Home Page: http://www.nsf.gov News Highlights: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa Newsroom: http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/start.htm Science Statistics: http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/stats.htm Awards Searches: http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/a6/A6Start.htm --- You are currently subscribed to nsfnews as: pwest@nsf.gov To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-nsfnews-37594I@lists.nsf.gov ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:54 PM PST US From: "Andy" Subject: RV-List: re: Jon Johanson --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy" Might as well make a national scandal out of this. If you were an Australian (or of any other nationality), what would you think. "One more example of American arrogance!" Aren't we supposed to be trying to make some friends in the world? Andy do not archive > > I sent a letter to Danglin' Dick Durbin, (D) IL and as normal, no reply......Also to Pete > Fitzgerald (R) IL , no Reply...... > > Phil > > > > I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his > > office is now underway. I'll keep you posted. > > > > Andy > > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:54 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Jon Johanson --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Where the heck is EAA on this? As much publicity as Jon has generated for them over the years they should be all over this, are they? Jerry do not archive. Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" > >Aircraft Technical Book Company wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" >> >>I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his >>office is now underway. I'll keep you posted. >> >>Andy >>Builder's Bookstore >> >>do not archive >> >> >> > >I sent a letter to Danglin' Dick Durbin, (D) IL and as normal, no reply......Also to Pete >Fitzgerald (R) IL , no Reply...... > >Phil > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:23 PM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: Re: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube > > >Sure, there's droves of us EAA yahoos overloading our planes with avgas so >we can make a 38 houir flight over the pole. Actually, I think you hit the nail on the head. Folks would land there constantly if they were not hard nosed about it. Then they would not have the resources to perform their research. It would become a tourist stop instead of a research facility. If you have an emergency, you can land. They will purposely make your life difficult so if you do so that folks will, indeed, land only in a genuine emergency. If you have a genuine emergency, you won't really care that they won't sell you fuel, etc. You will be thankful just to be alive. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:30 PM PST US From: "Curt Hoffman" Subject: Re: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" As they say- never accept "NO" from a person who doesn't have the power to say "YES". Curt Hoffman RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail Quick build fuselage now in basement Piper Cherokee N5320W 1974 TR6 HD Road King Classic (Maybe I need a boat too) ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: A reply from the director of Polar Office Programs > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/10/2003 4:14:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes: > > > >Scott - i understand our concern. However, US policy of some 15 years > > >standing prohibits our doing so. WE have offered to assist him and his > > >plane in getting back to NZ but must do that consistent with US policy. The > > >taxpayers put the infrastructure there to support research and environmental > > >protection efforts and they expect us to use it only for that purpose. > > I'd submit that the typical taxpayer doesn't know you're there, and if he did, he'd likely vote to pull the plug on your little party and cut his own family's financial losses. > > I'm > > >sure you appreciate the damage to those efforts that would occur were others > > >to follow Jon's example. > > Sure, there's droves of us EAA yahoos overloading our planes with avgas so we can make a 38 houir flight over the pole. Since it's so easy, we'll all be doing it soon, just for kicks. Rubbish, Komrade Karl. > > In fact, similar events in the past have led to an > > >international thrust to further regulate access to > > Antarctica. I hope > > >things don't come to that. > > > > > >Karl > > So- "they" plan to put up the no trespassing sign on a continent that nobody owns? Look out for the Blue Helmeted thugs on the UN snowmobiles, huh? "Please understand, we must do this for the children, and the baby seals , and the whales!" > > I predict this boondoggle will ultimately have to be solved at a level somewhere over our buddy Karl's head, and I wish Jon well. > > -Bill B > semper rantus > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:00 PM PST US From: Ken Balch "BostonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RV-List: OT: Off to FL --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch Guys, I'll be offline for approximately 3.5 weeks starting tomorrow as we begin the process of moving to Florida. We're looking forward to getting away from what's shaping up to be another fierce New England winter. Moving into our new house & hangar at Leeward will be pretty nice, too! Gotta get started on the next project... :-) Regards, Ken Balch RV-8 N118KB Leeward Air Ranch Ocala, FL ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:55 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Amazing video --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" Chuck, I got it to work. It took patience, since something like 4 meg's chugged across my phone line. Pretty interesting, the pilot doesn't look real busy, although it appears that his left hand is alternating between the throttle and the eject handle on the way down. Anyone hear what happened? Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 423 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson do not archive > > I could not get my system to show this video; it > registered as a virus and would not let me accept/play it. > Did anyone else get to view this clip? Thanks, > > Chuck ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:30 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Alex Peterson wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > Chuck, I got it to work. It took patience, since something like 4 meg's > chugged across my phone line. Pretty interesting, the pilot doesn't > look real busy, although it appears that his left hand is alternating > between the throttle and the eject handle on the way down. Anyone hear > what happened? Ground view of Thunderbird crash: http://www.ktvb.com/cgi-bin/bi/video/G2redirect.pl?title=5101714 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:37 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Jon Johanson --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" As the expression goes ... "they're working on it" (well, kinda) . See: http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/031210_johanson.html Does not sound like they are pushing to get him gas though. Seems like the effort is to get him on a ship with his plane being "disassembled" and crated for shipment as well (so it will not create an environmental hazard to the area). If this occurs, Jon will surely get a VERY LARGE bill in the mail. Seem like it would be simpler to send in a few more gallons on the next ship over and let him fly out. Charge him for the shipment of the gas. Of course, this all assumes there isNO accessible SOURCE of gas on the continent. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Springer > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:46 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Jon Johanson > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > Where the heck is EAA on this? As much publicity as Jon has generated > for them over the years they should be > all over this, are they? > > Jerry > do not archive. > > > Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield > Aerobatic Club" > > > >Aircraft Technical Book Company wrote: > > > > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book > Company" > >> > >>I have been in contact with Mark Udall (D-Colorado). An inquiry by his > >>office is now underway. I'll keep you posted. > >> > >>Andy > >>Builder's Bookstore > >> > >>do not archive > >> > >> > >> > > > >I sent a letter to Danglin' Dick Durbin, (D) IL and as normal, > no reply......Also to Pete > >Fitzgerald (R) IL , no Reply...... > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:37 PM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: RV-List: TBird crash-what happened --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" The maneuver was a half reverse Cuban eight. He pulls to the 45 degree, draws a line, then does a half roll. After the half roll he was supposed to continue on the line before completing the loop portion. The video shows he began to pull almost immediately after completing the half roll. The report I read said he was supposed to draw the line after the roll for about 2 seconds to give him an extra 1000 ft. Also if you watch close you can see his left hand make a couple of quick attempts at the ejection before he finally gets it. Some said the engine quite but I think he cut it off before he finally got out. Makes sense if he missed the handle a couple of times. Do you think the guys in the tower where messing their britches??? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:16 PM PST US From: Peter Madden Subject: RV-List: re:Jon and VH-NOJ Received: ....dlwc.nsw.gov.au with ESMTP\234 id hBB4pOCZ022... --> RV-List message posted by: Peter Madden Thanks guys for your support for Jon from another Aussie. I cant believe they want to tear down Jons aircraft and crate it back all for the want of 100 US gals of gas. Pete ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:15 PM PST US From: Warren W Hurd Subject: RV-List: McMurdo Twits --> RV-List message posted by: Warren W Hurd I assume these twits were not elected, any one know who appointed them? Snip-----> Cost per gallon of auto fuel: McMurdo - $1.25 Gallons of fuel burned each year: gasoline - 130,000 McMurdo Station is managed by the Office of Polar Programs of the National Science Foundation. I'm sure they welcome public input on their treatment of pilots who make emergency landings there. The McMurdo Area Director is: Jim Scott The director of the Office of Polar Programs is: Karl Erb The director of the NSF is: Rita Colwell By the way, for a photo of Jon's plane on the ground at McMurdo, visit: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/richardbyrd29 <---Snip Sorry to be so harsh, but I may have to bring out my vote on this one. Do Not Archive Warren http://ahyup.com ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:45 PM PST US From: Dave Smith Subject: Re: RV-List: Scotch-Brite --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Smith Chris, I think I paid just under $12 for a box of 20 from McMasterCarr, which is comparable. You might give them a look. chris wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: chris <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> > >I just noticed that MSC has the maroon 7447 Scotch-Brite hand pads on >sale for $37.99 for a box of 60. I know 60 is enough to build about 10 >planes but if you are part of a group of local builders or an EAA >chapter it would be great deal. > >http://www.mscdirect.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=&pcount=&Product_Id=460029&query=PG03356557 > > > > -- Dave http://www.rv10project.net ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:03 PM PST US From: Warren W Hurd Subject: RV-List: McMurdo Fuel --> RV-List message posted by: Warren W Hurd http://www.sethwhite.org/walking%20the%20fuel%20lines.htm http://www.nsf.gov/od/opp/support/bidders/ppt/daveb-image/sld020.htm http://www.newzeal.com/theme/Ships/Tanker/Gianella.htm http://www.newzeal.com/theme/Ships/Tanker/guswdarnell.htm http://www.gdargaud.net/Antarctica/AntarBases.html (scroll down to McMurdo) http://www.irmahale.com/1999e.html It is not like they do not have any fuel.... Warren http://ahyup.com RV-9A wings Do Not Archive