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1. 02:55 AM - Good news for Jon... (Doug Gray)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Drawing Software for a Mac (Kevin Horton)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: Drawing Software for a Mac (James Madill)
4. 06:37 AM - Re: Drawing Software for a Mac (Jack Haviland)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: Grizzly Bending Brake (Dean Pichon)
6. 07:21 AM - Engine handling (Eustace Bowhay)
7. 07:28 AM - Re: Grizzly Bending Brake (David Burton)
8. 07:55 AM - Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point (marknlisa@hometel.com)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Good news for Jon... (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
10. 09:02 AM - A Thank You and some thoughts. (Doug Rozendaal)
11. 09:06 AM - Re: Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point (J. R. Dial)
12. 09:07 AM - Alternator Core (JNice51355@aol.com)
13. 09:11 AM - interesting... (Bill VonDane)
14. 09:17 AM - Re: Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point (Charlie & Tupper England)
15. 09:42 AM - WHAT ? !!!! (JOHN STARN)
16. 09:52 AM - Re: interesting... (Patrick Kelley)
17. 10:02 AM - Re: interesting... (Rob Prior)
18. 10:23 AM - Re: Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point (RV_8 Pilot)
19. 10:23 AM - Re: Drawing Software for a Mac (Laird Owens)
20. 10:31 AM - Re: McMurdo Fuel/Jon Johanson (Lawson, Michael)
21. 10:52 AM - Re: Drawing software for a Mac (Marshall M. Dues)
22. 11:32 AM - OIL COOLERS (Scott Brown)
23. 11:33 AM - OIL COOLERS (Scott Brown)
24. 12:38 PM - Re: OIL COOLERS (Boyd Braem)
25. 12:55 PM - Re: C-130's at Mugu... (Jack Lockamy)
26. 12:57 PM - Re: Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point (Jamie D. Painter)
27. 01:05 PM - Re: OIL COOLERS (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
28. 01:47 PM - valspar paint (Bob Japundza)
29. 02:03 PM - Auto-Pilot Control Lockup (van Bladeren, Ron)
30. 02:14 PM - The delete key is getting wore out.... (RV8ter@aol.com)
31. 02:27 PM - Re: Re:Jon and VH-NOJ (chris)
32. 02:48 PM - Re: Auto-Pilot Control Lockup (Sam Buchanan)
33. 03:05 PM - Re: The delete key is getting wore out.... (Bob U.)
34. 03:17 PM - Re: Good news for Jon... (a flyer)
35. 03:41 PM - RV Classifieds (Fred Oldenburg)
36. 03:43 PM - Re: RV Classifieds (Fred Oldenburg)
37. 03:49 PM - Re: OIL COOLERS (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
38. 03:49 PM - Dynon internal compass (Ken Simmons)
39. 03:49 PM - Re: valspar paint (Craig Warner)
40. 04:26 PM - Re: Re:Jon and VH-NOJ (linn walters)
41. 04:35 PM - Re: Auto-Pilot Control Lockup (van Bladeren, Ron)
42. 04:45 PM - RV-8 Wire Conduit holes through front and rear spars (Vince Himsl)
43. 05:17 PM - Re: Re:Jon and VH-NOJ (Terry Watson)
44. 05:49 PM - Re: N520RR First Flight (Richard Dudley)
45. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: RV Classifieds (Karie Daniel)
46. 06:03 PM - Re: Re:Jon and VH-NOJ (Jerry Springer)
47. 06:07 PM - Re: valspar paint (Jerry Springer)
48. 06:23 PM - HTS 2000 Aluminum Welding Rod (John)
49. 06:23 PM - Allen Upright? (WPAerial@aol.com)
50. 06:23 PM - Re: Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point (Mark Delano)
51. 06:38 PM - Allen Upright crash (WPAerial@aol.com)
52. 06:42 PM - Re: Allen Upright? (Jerry Springer)
53. 06:45 PM - Sorry to report this. (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
54. 07:25 PM - Canadian Aircraft flying in US (Steve & Denise)
55. 07:54 PM - Re: HTS 2000 Aluminum Welding Rod (Ed Anderson)
56. 07:55 PM - New MEMs gyros (Jerry Hansen)
57. 08:03 PM - Re: Canadian Aircraft flying in US (Joe Hine)
58. 08:46 PM - Re: Good news for Jon... (Kevin Horton)
59. 08:49 PM - Re: Good news for Jon... (Kevin Horton)
60. 09:08 PM - Re: HTS 2000 Aluminum Welding Rod (kempthornes)
61. 10:39 PM - Re: Allen Upright? (Boyd Braem)
62. 11:26 PM - Great New Product (Darwin N. Barrie)
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| Subject: | Good news for Jon... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031212_101.html
SYDNEY, Australia Dec. 12 A British pilot forced by bad weather to
abandon her attempt to fly around the world over both poles said Friday
that an Australian aviator stranded at a research station on the
Antarctic coast could use fuel she had stored there.
The offer by Polly Vacher ended a diplomatic spat between Australia and
its two closest allies the United States and New Zealand who had refused
to refuel Jon Johanson's homemade plane.
......
Thanks Polly,
Doug Gray
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| Subject: | Re: Drawing Software for a Mac |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
>
>Does anybody know of any software I can use to draw
>Electrical Schematics and do Mechanical Drawings on an
>iMac (Operating System 10.2.7) ? All Drawing S/W
>seems to be for a PC (AutoCAD)
>
>Thanks, Garey (RV-8A) Santa Monica, CA
>
>_________
Garey,
I did my electrical schematics using AppleWorks. I set up a grid of 20 per
inch, and had it force everything to the grid. I made up a bunch of
symbols of the common switches, etc, made each of them into a group, and
put them in a symbols file. The grid forced the wires to link to the right
places on the switches etc.
You might also want to look at OmniGraffle. It apparently allows you to
move things around on your drawing and the lines stay connected to the same
items. I haven't tried it.
http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/
For the mechanical drawings, you could try Cadintosh. It is shareware from
a very reputable author. I've used it for a few little things and it works
well. It will import .dxf files but not .dwg files:
http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/cadintosh.htm
Or you could install the X11 unix windows system and use a number of free
unix programs. The easiest way to get the various unix programs is
probably via the Fink project. But, I don't think Apple still offers the
X11 Software Development Kit for OS X 10.2, which is required to make
Fink's X11 applications work. And, some of the interesting X11
applications don't yet run on OS X 10.3 yet, although it is only a matter
of time before that gets sorted out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/x11/
http://fink.sourceforge.net/
http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/oregano
http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/qcad
Kevin Horton
RV-8 (Finishing Kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Drawing Software for a Mac |
6.0.3HF22 | October 10, 2003) at 12/12/2003 09:23:51,
Serialize complete at 12/12/2003 09:23:51
--> RV-List message posted by: James Madill <James.Madill@duke.edu>
I use VectorWorks from Nemetschek
http://www.nemetschek.net/
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RV-List: Drawing Software for a Mac
--> RV-List message posted by: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
Does anybody know of any software I can use to draw
Electrical Schematics and do Mechanical Drawings on an
iMac (Operating System 10.2.7) ? All Drawing S/W
seems to be for a PC (AutoCAD)
Thanks, Garey (RV-8A) Santa Monica, CA
__________________________________
http://photos.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Drawing Software for a Mac |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jack Haviland <jgh@iavbbs.com>
On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 11:30 PM, Garey Wittich wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Garey Wittich
> <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
>
> Does anybody know of any software I can use to draw
> Electrical Schematics and do Mechanical Drawings on an
> iMac?
AppleWorks 6 (which came with my eMac) was used for the wiring
schematic at <http://iavbbs.com/jgh/jghplane.htm>. After spending a
few minutes exploring the capabilities of the various drawing tool
options, the software was easy to use. You could download the high
resolution version of the file and modify it to get a feel for the
program.
The site also has an instrument panel drawing made using AppleWorks and
Photoshop. That was harder and the appearance of the drawing suffered
because I did not know how to use Photoshop properly to incorporate
some downloaded panel component photos.
Jack H.
P. S. I'm still refining the wiring schematic and would appreciate
receiving any suggestions.
>
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| Subject: | Grizzly Bending Brake |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
I suggest that you look for a used Di-Acro Finger Brake. They are available
in 24" and 36" sizes. These are fabulous tools, expensive new (>$2000), and
hard to find used. They will last forever, so if you can find a deal on a
used one you won't be disappointed. I head of them selling at used tool
shops for a couple of hundred bucks.
Good luck,
Dean
>From: "Mark" <riveter@bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Grizzly Bending Brake
>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:54:41 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark" <riveter@bellsouth.net>
>
>In my search for an inexpensive bending brake I ordered the Grizzly H2788
>24
>inch Bending Brake. I was not pleased with it. See photos and my evaluation
>of this unit at:
>
>http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-markmcgee
>
>
>I'm still looking for a decent brake.
>
>Mark McGee
>RV-4 Fuselage
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
Hi Ross:
Yes that is the post I was referring to, those power settings maybe a bit on the
conservative side for some but I have found that they are the best compromise
between performance and long engine life. The way an engine is handled is equally
as important.
Using this procedure I have been able to avoid an engine failure and get to TBO
without any cylinder changes. In one operation I was involved with operating
a fleet of Aztec's we didn't change a cylinder over a nine year period.
Eustace
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| Subject: | Re: Grizzly Bending Brake |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Grizzly Bending Brake
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
>
> I suggest that you look for a used Di-Acro Finger Brake. They are
available
> in 24" and 36" sizes. These are fabulous tools, expensive new (>$2000),
and
> hard to find used. They will last forever, so if you can find a deal on a
> used one you won't be disappointed. I head of them selling at used tool
> shops for a couple of hundred bucks.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Dean
>
>
> >From: "Mark" <riveter@bellsouth.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: Grizzly Bending Brake
> >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:54:41 -0500
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark" <riveter@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >In my search for an inexpensive bending brake I ordered the Grizzly H2788
> >24
> >inch Bending Brake. I was not pleased with it. See photos and my
evaluation
> >of this unit at:
> >
> >http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-markmcgee
> >
> >
> >I'm still looking for a decent brake.
> >
> >Mark McGee
> >RV-4 Fuselage
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point |
--> RV-List message posted by: marknlisa@hometel.com
Ya'll are missing the point. The question you should ask yourself is how
would you plan/fly a mission like this if McMurdo Station wasn't there?
Would you turn back to New Zealand at the first sign of unforcast
headwinds?
That's what the NSF and the staff at McMurdo want "adverturers" to do,
assume McMurdo isn't there and plan accordingly -- Jon didn't, and now
*HE* must deal with the consequences. I won't second-guess Jon's decision;
I will say *HE* is responsible for the consequences, not the scientists at
McMurdo.
Besides, whatever happened to courtesy, you know, the kind your Mom & Dad
taught you. Jon's placed himself at the mercy of the McMurdo staff. What
they've offered isn't good enough? He's asked for something they're
unwilling and/or unable to give, how does that make them wrong? Do you
make faces when your Grandma gives you socks instead of a CD for
Christmas? Would you like others to analyze your charity and tell you it's
not good enough?
The politically-minded among you have accused the McMurdo Staff of being
Republican, Democratic and Totalitarian. Those of you who disagree with
their decision want them to be Conservative (leave us alone, we can do
what we want) until you're in trouble, then you want them to be Liberals
(help us, you're the Government, you *HAVE* to help us), when in fact,
they're none of the above. They are a Gov't agency following established
Gov't policy and can get in trouble for doing otherwise.
As far as discouraging anyone from "adventuring" in the Antartic to
protect the environment -- that's smoke, I don't even know who came up
with that one. The reality is if someone needs rescuing in Antarctica the
*ONLY* organization that can help them is the one with resources to spare.
Resources, think food, shelter, equipment, fuel, time and, least
available, manpower. Are these scientists trained for arctic (antarctic?)
SAR? Ya think that might be a little dangerous? Ya think ya might like to
discourage folks from expecting it? If McMurdo assumes SAR responsibility
for the Antarctic (even in a non-formal, oops-I-just-need-help-this-once
way), what happens when someone dies there, who's to blame? Would you
like to hash that one out in court? The NSF & US/Kiwi Gov't's aren't
telling people to stay off Antarctica, they are telling people not to
count on the staff at McMurdo to endanger themselves (the staff)
if "adventuring" places "adventurers" in danger.
We like to think of ourselves as capable, intelligent folks who can
exercise judgement in the application of rules, such as when we should or
should not break/bend them. But I submit that capability is predicated on
a deep understanding of all the reasons, situations and possible outcomes
of a situation for which a particular rule was established. Just as I
wouldn't second-guess the decisions of the Pilot-In-Command, I won't
second-guess the decisions of McMurdo's leadership -- their understanding
of living and working in such a forbidding environment is much clearer
than mine.
Should McMurdo Station should be equipped and/or staffed to provide SAR
for Antartica? You mean so folks can try to
fly/snowmobile/dogsled/walk/etc. across it whenever they feel like it? I
don't know if *I* want to pay for it...
The reality is right now it isn't and the NSF and US/Kiwi Governments want
everyone to know it. You may not agree with the way they "advertise" this
fact, but I certainly understand it. Personally, I can't nor won't blame
the NSF, the US Gov't or the Kiwi Gov't for playing hardball on this one.
Knowing the considerable personal danger involved for the staff (trained
or untrained in arctic SAR), will you?
Mark
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Good news for Jon... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Good for Jon!!!
I'd sure like to see him continue his flight plan to Puerto Arenas, but I
suspect that the "deal" involving "Polly's fuel" was that it was
coincidently just enough to allow him to tuck tail and go home.
Sorry guy's, but I'm always skeptical of "coincidences". I tend more to
believe that this was the diplomatic deal to end an embarrasing situation.
We'll find out in a couple months when the dust settles.
Too bad for Mark Udall too. He thinks he evaded a problem. I think he lost
an opportunity.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RV-List: Good news for Jon...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031212_101.html
>
> SYDNEY, Australia Dec. 12 A British pilot forced by bad weather to
> abandon her attempt to fly around the world over both poles said Friday
> that an Australian aviator stranded at a research station on the
> Antarctic coast could use fuel she had stored there.
>
> The offer by Polly Vacher ended a diplomatic spat between Australia and
> its two closest allies the United States and New Zealand who had refused
> to refuel Jon Johanson's homemade plane.
>
>
> ......
> Thanks Polly,
>
> Doug Gray
>
>
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| Subject: | A Thank You and some thoughts. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
All,
A Thank You:
A few weeks back I put a request on this list for hanger space during the
ICAS (Int'l Council of Airhows) Convention in Dallas. I got several replies
and I accepted an offer from Danny King owner of "Beautiful Doll" a gorgeous
RV-8. Danny shares a hanger with Doug Reeves and a Bonaza at NW Regional.
Unfortunately we were not able to meet, but he arranged to get me in and out
and my bird had a safe & sound stay in Dallas. This is a Thank-you to Danny
and Doug for allowing me to stay, but on a bigger scale it is a thank you to
Matt, and all the who make the RV-List family one of the greatest groups in
aviaton.
Some Thoughts:
I am off to Kitty Hawk. If all goes by the plan, I will fly a Corsair with
an F-14 and an F-18 on Wednesday Dec. 17th. For those who are there, when
you look up, know that my RV-4 brought me there, and I will be flying for
all those who fight now and fought years ago, in the air, and on the ground
for the freedoms we have in this country. One of those is to build and fly
our little airplanes.
Centennials are for thinking, about the past and the future, so I have been
doing some thinking. For me personally it is a quite a deal that a farm kid
from Iowa could participate, in this way, in this event. For that I owe
many people and groups. Aviation has played a large role in my life and
many aviation individuals and groups have mentored me and opened doors along
the way, in short, offered a leg up at critical points in my aviation
career. All of us have similar stories in that regard, and to that end,
much mentoring and support occurs here on the list. Some of those critical
events in my life were small favors and some were huge, but all contributed
to my good fortune.
We should all remember what a great impact a small act of kindness can have
on the life or career of another, when viewed in the big picture. Whether it
is space in your hanger, or helping a kid get a rating, do not miss those
opportunities when they happen. Give someone "a leg up" every chance you
can!
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
I can't stand it anymore, what's the matter with giving the guy
100 gal. of gas and sending him on his way???????????
Now, back to building.
RV6 almost done.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
marknlisa@hometel.com
Subject: RV-List: Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point
--> RV-List message posted by: marknlisa@hometel.com
Ya'll are missing the point. The question you should ask yourself is
how
would you plan/fly a mission like this if McMurdo Station wasn't there?
Would you turn back to New Zealand at the first sign of unforcast
headwinds?
That's what the NSF and the staff at McMurdo want "adverturers" to do,
assume McMurdo isn't there and plan accordingly -- Jon didn't, and now
*HE* must deal with the consequences. I won't second-guess Jon's
decision;
I will say *HE* is responsible for the consequences, not the scientists
at
McMurdo.
Besides, whatever happened to courtesy, you know, the kind your Mom &
Dad
taught you. Jon's placed himself at the mercy of the McMurdo staff. What
they've offered isn't good enough? He's asked for something they're
unwilling and/or unable to give, how does that make them wrong? Do you
make faces when your Grandma gives you socks instead of a CD for
Christmas? Would you like others to analyze your charity and tell you
it's
not good enough?
The politically-minded among you have accused the McMurdo Staff of being
Republican, Democratic and Totalitarian. Those of you who disagree with
their decision want them to be Conservative (leave us alone, we can do
what we want) until you're in trouble, then you want them to be Liberals
(help us, you're the Government, you *HAVE* to help us), when in fact,
they're none of the above. They are a Gov't agency following
established
Gov't policy and can get in trouble for doing otherwise.
As far as discouraging anyone from "adventuring" in the Antartic to
protect the environment -- that's smoke, I don't even know who came up
with that one. The reality is if someone needs rescuing in Antarctica
the
*ONLY* organization that can help them is the one with resources to
spare.
Resources, think food, shelter, equipment, fuel, time and, least
available, manpower. Are these scientists trained for arctic
(antarctic?)
SAR? Ya think that might be a little dangerous? Ya think ya might like
to
discourage folks from expecting it? If McMurdo assumes SAR
responsibility
for the Antarctic (even in a non-formal, oops-I-just-need-help-this-once
way), what happens when someone dies there, who's to blame? Would you
like to hash that one out in court? The NSF & US/Kiwi Gov't's aren't
telling people to stay off Antarctica, they are telling people not to
count on the staff at McMurdo to endanger themselves (the staff)
if "adventuring" places "adventurers" in danger.
We like to think of ourselves as capable, intelligent folks who can
exercise judgement in the application of rules, such as when we should
or
should not break/bend them. But I submit that capability is predicated
on
a deep understanding of all the reasons, situations and possible
outcomes
of a situation for which a particular rule was established. Just as I
wouldn't second-guess the decisions of the Pilot-In-Command, I won't
second-guess the decisions of McMurdo's leadership -- their
understanding
of living and working in such a forbidding environment is much clearer
than mine.
Should McMurdo Station should be equipped and/or staffed to provide SAR
for Antartica? You mean so folks can try to
fly/snowmobile/dogsled/walk/etc. across it whenever they feel like it? I
don't know if *I* want to pay for it...
The reality is right now it isn't and the NSF and US/Kiwi Governments
want
everyone to know it. You may not agree with the way they "advertise"
this
fact, but I certainly understand it. Personally, I can't nor won't
blame
the NSF, the US Gov't or the Kiwi Gov't for playing hardball on this
one.
Knowing the considerable personal danger involved for the staff (trained
or untrained in arctic SAR), will you?
Mark
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: JNice51355@aol.com
Does anyone know what the average core charge is for a 60A alternator these
days?
do not archive
Jim Nice
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Although that's a funny looking RV! :)
http://www.armyouraircraft.com/
-Bill
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
marknlisa@hometel.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: marknlisa@hometel.com
>
>Ya'll are missing the point. The question you should ask yourself is how
>would you plan/fly a mission like this if McMurdo Station wasn't there?
>Would you turn back to New Zealand at the first sign of unforcast
>headwinds?
>
>That's what the NSF and the staff at McMurdo want "adverturers" to do,
>assume McMurdo isn't there and plan accordingly -- Jon didn't, and now
>*HE* must deal with the consequences. I won't second-guess Jon's decision;
>I will say *HE* is responsible for the consequences, not the scientists at
>McMurdo.
>
>Besides, whatever happened to courtesy, you know, the kind your Mom & Dad
>taught you. Jon's placed himself at the mercy of the McMurdo staff. What
>they've offered isn't good enough? He's asked for something they're
>unwilling and/or unable to give, how does that make them wrong? Do you
>make faces when your Grandma gives you socks instead of a CD for
>Christmas? Would you like others to analyze your charity and tell you it's
>not good enough?
>
>The politically-minded among you have accused the McMurdo Staff of being
>Republican, Democratic and Totalitarian. Those of you who disagree with
>their decision want them to be Conservative (leave us alone, we can do
>what we want) until you're in trouble, then you want them to be Liberals
>(help us, you're the Government, you *HAVE* to help us), when in fact,
>they're none of the above. They are a Gov't agency following established
>Gov't policy and can get in trouble for doing otherwise.
>
>As far as discouraging anyone from "adventuring" in the Antartic to
>protect the environment -- that's smoke, I don't even know who came up
>with that one. The reality is if someone needs rescuing in Antarctica the
>*ONLY* organization that can help them is the one with resources to spare.
>Resources, think food, shelter, equipment, fuel, time and, least
>available, manpower. Are these scientists trained for arctic (antarctic?)
>SAR? Ya think that might be a little dangerous? Ya think ya might like to
>discourage folks from expecting it? If McMurdo assumes SAR responsibility
>for the Antarctic (even in a non-formal, oops-I-just-need-help-this-once
>way), what happens when someone dies there, who's to blame? Would you
>like to hash that one out in court? The NSF & US/Kiwi Gov't's aren't
>telling people to stay off Antarctica, they are telling people not to
>count on the staff at McMurdo to endanger themselves (the staff)
>if "adventuring" places "adventurers" in danger.
>
>We like to think of ourselves as capable, intelligent folks who can
>exercise judgement in the application of rules, such as when we should or
>should not break/bend them. But I submit that capability is predicated on
>a deep understanding of all the reasons, situations and possible outcomes
>of a situation for which a particular rule was established. Just as I
>wouldn't second-guess the decisions of the Pilot-In-Command, I won't
>second-guess the decisions of McMurdo's leadership -- their understanding
>of living and working in such a forbidding environment is much clearer
>than mine.
>
>Should McMurdo Station should be equipped and/or staffed to provide SAR
>for Antartica? You mean so folks can try to
>fly/snowmobile/dogsled/walk/etc. across it whenever they feel like it? I
>don't know if *I* want to pay for it...
>
>The reality is right now it isn't and the NSF and US/Kiwi Governments want
>everyone to know it. You may not agree with the way they "advertise" this
>fact, but I certainly understand it. Personally, I can't nor won't blame
>the NSF, the US Gov't or the Kiwi Gov't for playing hardball on this one.
>Knowing the considerable personal danger involved for the staff (trained
>or untrained in arctic SAR), will you?
>
>Mark
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
But Mark, we don't want exceptions made for all that other stuff, we
just want exceptions made for us! ;-)
Seriously,
Thanks for taking the time to spell out what should be obvious to all of
us who are have the intellect & discipline to become pilots & a/c builders.
Charlie
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"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Vot be a goin' on out dare. From where did dis udder "Kabong!!" come from.
Could he be a a wolf in a crusader cape and Lone Ranger mask ? KABONG Do
Not Archive. 8*), (GBA).
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
> And, what does the next flyinginer down there come to expect? Any less?
> Maybe not more, certainly not less. Now we have a regular stopping and
> refueling point.
>
> Kabong!!
>
> Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip-up TMX-O-360 ACS2002 Dynon CNS430 Digitrak
> On Finish Kit
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Awwwww. Van's 'little fighter' is all grown up!...
Personally, I'd prefer a pair of 50s... sometimes the traffic at a
popular uncontrolled strip can get a little ... unruly. (just kidding,
if you couldn't figure that out) ;)
Patrick Kelley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Subject: RV-List: interesting...
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Although that's a funny looking RV! :)
http://www.armyouraircraft.com/
-Bill
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| Subject: | Re: interesting... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Bill VonDane wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> Although that's a funny looking RV! :)
> http://www.armyouraircraft.com/
Yeah, especially considering it's not an RV, it's a Rocket. 8-)
Check out the Cessna 150 page, too... One of the line items is a "I2
Cylinder Merlin Engine" for "$21,700". I bet the guys down at Reno
would love to know where to find that deal.
His math sucks too... Total Modifications $64,100, Introductory Discount
-$64,000.05, Total seems to come to $49.95 somehow. I want to know who
gets teh extra $50? 8-)
> -Bill
-Rob
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
Most definitely DO NOT ARCHIVE.
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| Subject: | Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>As far as discouraging anyone from "adventuring" in the Antartic to
>protect the environment -- that's smoke, I don't even know who came up
>with that one.
The US State Dept and NSF came up with it, Mark. They have standing
policies that disuade Antarctic tourism. Why don't the scientists want
"tourists" in Antarctica? Good question. So they don't have to help ill
prepared "tourists"? what about those who go hiking into volcano cones and
get lost. Do the same NSF scientists working with the volcanos feel
obligated to rescue those lost hikers? Maybe - maybe not. *I feel* That
it's an insincere objection. They don't want the Antarctic region spoiled
by humans. Have heard it from many sources. Classic case of that group
(choose label that suits you) placing human interests second.
IMO, these people feel they have been ordained by the *US government* to
protect Antarctica from the masses of the world. They have no such
authority.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
do not archive
>Ya'll are missing the point. The question you should ask yourself is how
>would you plan/fly a mission like this if McMurdo Station wasn't there?
>Would you turn back to New Zealand at the first sign of unforcast
>headwinds?
>
>That's what the NSF and the staff at McMurdo want "adverturers" to do,
>assume McMurdo isn't there and plan accordingly -- Jon didn't, and now
>*HE* must deal with the consequences. I won't second-guess Jon's decision;
>I will say *HE* is responsible for the consequences, not the scientists at
>McMurdo.
>
>Besides, whatever happened to courtesy, you know, the kind your Mom & Dad
>taught you. Jon's placed himself at the mercy of the McMurdo staff. What
>they've offered isn't good enough? He's asked for something they're
>unwilling and/or unable to give, how does that make them wrong? Do you
>make faces when your Grandma gives you socks instead of a CD for
>Christmas? Would you like others to analyze your charity and tell you it's
>not good enough?
>
>The politically-minded among you have accused the McMurdo Staff of being
>Republican, Democratic and Totalitarian. Those of you who disagree with
>their decision want them to be Conservative (leave us alone, we can do
>what we want) until you're in trouble, then you want them to be Liberals
>(help us, you're the Government, you *HAVE* to help us), when in fact,
>they're none of the above. They are a Gov't agency following established
>Gov't policy and can get in trouble for doing otherwise.
>
Get holiday tips for festive fun.
http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx
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| Subject: | Re: Drawing Software for a Mac |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Garey,
I use Ashlar Vellum for all my 2D cad work:
http://www.ashlar.com/
We use it at work (mostly a Mac environment), so I'm not sure of
prices. I think they have a stripped down version called
drawingboard which is good as well.
Laird RV-6
Simi Valley, CA
>--> RV-List message posted by: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
>
>Does anybody know of any software I can use to draw
>Electrical Schematics and do Mechanical Drawings on an
>iMac (Operating System 10.2.7) ? All Drawing S/W
>seems to be for a PC (AutoCAD)
>
>Thanks, Garey (RV-8A) Santa Monica, CA
>
>__________________________________
>http://photos.yahoo.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: McMurdo Fuel/Jon Johanson |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lawson, Michael" <mikel@SSD.FSI.com>
For those of you who haven't read it, I recommend the book, Icebound. It
gives an insider's view of researchers at the south pole. Included are
descriptions of McMurdo as well as the South Pole base.
Apparently, having all kinds of "adventurers" come through during the summer
months is a pretty common occurrence, even at the actual South Pole station.
The book mentioned as an example a lone cross-country skier who was trying
to ski his way across the whole Antarctic continent. As in the case of
Johanson, they gave him food and shelter, but nothing else.
Interestingly, according to the attitudes in the book, the researchers do
seem to have a "clique" mentality and are relieved when the "summer people"
leave and let them have the South Pole all to themselves over the dark
winter months.
I only receive the RV-List digest, so this might have been discussed
already, but according to her website, http://www.worldwings.org, Polly
Vacher has released fuel to Jon so that he can fly back to New Zealand.
Here's a quote,
"As you may be aware, Australian pilot Jon Johannsen recently made an
unscheduled stop at McMurdo in his home-built RV4 light aircraft. To aid the
Australian and New Zealand National Programmes with the problem, Polly,
together with the owners of her fuel, Shell, have released two barrels of
her fuel which has been stored at McMurdo to enable him to fly back to New
Zealand. Antarctica New Zealand has released a statement saying they are
sorry Polly Vacher has not been able to complete her flight, which was
professionally planned, and are grateful that she has, in turn, been able to
help Johannsen. It is on the understanding that he will now work tirelessly
for Wheelies on Wings, the Australian equivalent to Flying Scholarships for
the Disabled."
Mike Lawson
Tulsa, OK
RV-8A Wings
do not archive
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| Subject: | re: Drawing software for a Mac |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marshall M. Dues" <mmdues@hal-pc.org>
Hello, Garey & RV builders,
I found a web site that has CAD software for the Macintosh machines at:
http://www.freecad.com
They have CADintosh, freeCAD, and Persistence of Vision Raytracer software for
downloading.
Marshall M. Dues
RV-6 N243MD 770 hrs
Katy, Texas
Time: 08:31:09 PM PST US
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Drawing Software for a Mac
--> RV-List message posted by: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
Does anybody know of any software I can use to draw
Electrical Schematics and do Mechanical Drawings on an
iMac (Operating System 10.2.7) ? All Drawing S/W
seems to be for a PC (AutoCAD)
Thanks, Garey (RV-8A) Santa Monica, CA
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown@precisionjet.com>
Listers,
I have an RV4 with an AEIO-360 engine, I live in a hot climate (Florida). My
oil temps are running 200-210 degrees. I would like to see them around
180-190. I was thinking of getting the larger oil cooler from Vans. Is there
a better cooler that I should be getting rather than that one, or does
everyone think that it will work nicely? Please respond off-line to
scottbrown@precisionjet.com.
Thanks
Scott
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown@precisionjet.com>
Listers,
I have an RV4 with an AEIO-360 engine, I live in a hot climate (Florida). My
oil temps are running 200-210 degrees. I would like to see them around
180-190. I was thinking of getting the larger oil cooler from Vans. Is there
a better cooler that I should be getting rather than that one, or does
everyone think that it will work nicely?
Scott
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--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
This may be something for the List to contemplate, so I'm responding
accordingly.
My Lycoming engine manual for the AEIOU (and sometimes Y)-series gives
a max oil temp of 245 F (they give a "desired" temp of 180 F). I
believe the "Sky Ranch Engine Manual" (for Lycomings)(I don't have the
book handy) says that you should have cleaner oil at 200 F (but, my
mind is a dangerous thing). My highest oil temp (from the VM-1000 data
chip) was 192 F.
Personally, I wouldn't get worked up to a lather over 200-210 F.
And double-check the engine manual as they recommend certain viscosity
oils for different ambient temps.
Boyd
On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 02:21 PM, Scott Brown wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Brown"
> <scottbrown@precisionjet.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> I have an RV4 with an AEIO-360 engine, I live in a hot climate
> (Florida). My
> oil temps are running 200-210 degrees. I would like to see them around
> 180-190. I was thinking of getting the larger oil cooler from Vans. Is
> there
> a better cooler that I should be getting rather than that one, or does
> everyone think that it will work nicely?
>
> Scott
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| Subject: | Re: C-130's at Mugu... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Lockamy" <jacklockamy@att.net>
Fred,
I currently work at NAS Point Mugu (have been since 1985). The "orange" C-130s
you are referring to were assigned to VXE-6, better known as the Antarctic Supply
Squadron. A few years ago the squadron was de-commisioned and the planes/personnel
were re-assigned to a base in New York. The planes are still being
used by the National Science Foundation (NSF) to fly personnel and equipment
to/from McMurdo Station.
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
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| Subject: | Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
Folks:
The Johanson incident isn't about any government entity telling people
they can't visit Antarctica. The government telling you that you're
responsible for your own person when you visit Antarctica is *not* the
same as telling you that you're not allowed to visit there. As it has
been said many times in these threads, Antarctica is not controlled by
any government! It's a barren wasteland. Go there at your own risk. A
government saying that they'll stick to their long-held policy of
individual self-reliance on the continent is *not* an arrogant
government/politician/scientist/whatever asserting their dominion over
that land. In fact, the self-reliance policy essentially assigns equal
stature to individuals and government entities (i.e. take care of your
own).
- JP
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Scott Brown wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown@precisionjet.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> I have an RV4 with an AEIO-360 engine, I live in a hot climate (Florida). My
> oil temps are running 200-210 degrees. I would like to see them around
> 180-190. I was thinking of getting the larger oil cooler from Vans. Is there
> a better cooler that I should be getting rather than that one, or does
> everyone think that it will work nicely? Please respond off-line to
> scottbrown@precisionjet.com.
>
> Thanks
>
> Scott
>
Scott,
I wonder what cooler you have? I am replying on line for others who may ask a
similar question.
I bought the Posi-tech cooler from Van's. At the time, some people were having
a
cooling problem with the one like I bought. All people didnt have the problem.
Probably depended on airflow through the system.
But anyhow Posi-tech came out and offered a free replacement to anyone who had
the cooler with certain serial numbers. Mine did have the elgible numbers so I
sent it in. It was still new. I sent mine in to them and they sent out a revised
cooler of the same dimensions. It is easy to see that the newer one might be a
little more efficient when you look at both of them side by side.
Then I started reading emails and doing research and I found a certain school of
thought that said the S-W cooler was more efficient than the Posi-tech by 15 or
20 degrees. Hmmm.
I got out the old S-W and compared it with this new Posi-tech and there is one
more oil pass through the S-W. I think the SW had seven and the newer Positech
has 6. That is probably why the SW is a little better at cooling.
But, every one didnt have complaints about cooling even with the earlier
Positech. I stuck the Positech up in the cabinet and I am using the old dirty SW
cooler. I took it off from my pitts which had a 180 and never ran over about
180. The Positech is a very well built cooler and I see nothing wrong with it.
Even the early version was a very well crafted cooler. I will use it on another
project that isnt so tightly cowled.
Phil disregard bad grammer and spelling
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Japundza <bjapundza@yahoo.com>
Hi All, has anyone had experience with the Valspar base/clear paints? I know the
factory airplanes are painted with this stuff and am wondering how well it
has held up, if it stains easily, etc. I understand that it costs significantly
less than other brands.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying
F1 QB under const.
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| Subject: | Auto-Pilot Control Lockup |
--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
While installing the floor section under the pilots seat on my 8A the other
day, I noticed that one of the stiffeners interfered with the roll servo's
actuating arm. So, I simply cut away the offending section of stiffener and
fabricated a heavier support bracket to insure that a heavy "sitter"
wouldn't be able to sag the floor into the servo arm. All seemed fine and
good until another problem caught my eye. The more I stared at his new
problem, the more apparent it became that it could result in roll control
lockup and/or loss of control. Here's the problem (see photo):
The DigiTrak servo uses three 3/16" screws (mine came with AN3 bolts) to
secure the stepper motor to its mounting bracket via three tapped holes in
the motor frame. This is fine under normal conditions, but potentially, if
the top inboard screw (red circle) was to loosen and partially back out of
its hole, it most likely would hit the AN3 bolt (green circle) mounted to
the actuating arm and prevent the torque tube from rotating. That's not so
good!
My solution was to drill out the threads in the servo frame and install an
AN3 bolt all the way through with a fiber lock nut on the other end (yellow
circle). Alternatively, one could install a drilled head bolt and safety
wire it to the frame.
In any case, if you have a DigiTrak servo, you might want to review your
installation for this type of interference. BTW, I had originally installed
the bolt with locktite and a lock washer but I was amazed at how easier it
removed for the retrofit.
Take care, hope this is helpful....
Ron.
<<RollServo2.jpg>>
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| Subject: | The delete key is getting wore out.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Any possibility we could get back to RV building any time soon?
do not archive
I a message dated 12/12/2003 12:53:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jhstarn@verizon.net writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Vot be a goin' on out dare. From where did dis udder "Kabong!!" come from.
Could he be a a wolf in a crusader cape and Lone Ranger mask ? KABONG Do
Not Archive. 8*), (GBA).
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
> And, what does the next flyinginer down there come to expect? Any less?
> Maybe not more, certainly not less. Now we have a regular stopping and
> refueling point.
>
> Kabong!!
>
> Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip-up TMX-O-360 ACS2002 Dynon CNS430 Digitrak
> On Finish Kit
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| Subject: | Re: re:Jon and VH-NOJ |
--> RV-List message posted by: chris <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Bill Dube wrote:
> Would you land there if your life was not in danger? I certainly
> wouldn't after hearing about Jon's experience.
My understanding is it was either land there or ditch in the ocean after
his fuel ran out. That sounds like "life in danger" to me. It's not
like he planed to land there to see what he could get away with. It was
a last resort. It would be a totally different matter if he just
decided to fly there land and then asked to buy gas to go back home with
out ever a thought to check first. This was an emergency caused by
changing weather conditions, give him a break already.
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: Auto-Pilot Control Lockup |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
van Bladeren, Ron wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
>
> While installing the floor section under the pilots seat on my 8A the other
> day, I noticed that one of the stiffeners interfered with the roll servo's
> actuating arm. So, I simply cut away the offending section of stiffener and
> fabricated a heavier support bracket to insure that a heavy "sitter"
> wouldn't be able to sag the floor into the servo arm. All seemed fine and
> good until another problem caught my eye. The more I stared at his new
> problem, the more apparent it became that it could result in roll control
> lockup and/or loss of control. Here's the problem (see photo):
>
> The DigiTrak servo uses three 3/16" screws (mine came with AN3 bolts) to
> secure the stepper motor to its mounting bracket via three tapped holes in
> the motor frame. This is fine under normal conditions, but potentially, if
> the top inboard screw (red circle) was to loosen and partially back out of
> its hole, it most likely would hit the AN3 bolt (green circle) mounted to
> the actuating arm and prevent the torque tube from rotating. That's not so
> good!
>
> My solution was to drill out the threads in the servo frame and install an
> AN3 bolt all the way through with a fiber lock nut on the other end (yellow
> circle). Alternatively, one could install a drilled head bolt and safety
> wire it to the frame.
>
> In any case, if you have a DigiTrak servo, you might want to review your
> installation for this type of interference. BTW, I had originally installed
> the bolt with locktite and a lock washer but I was amazed at how easier it
> removed for the retrofit.
>
> Take care, hope this is helpful....
>
> Ron.
>
Good catch, Ron! :-)
Like you, the possibility of servo mounting bolts coming loose on the
TruTrak servo concerned me enough to make some changes. No servo bolts
were included with the servo in my AlTrak system (which works like a
charm!) and no mention was made in the documentation about securing the
mounting bolts.
Here is how I addressed the issue:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/altrak.htm
I went with AN3 drilled head bolts and safety wired them to each other.
Another important point is to use a large area washer (doesn't have to
be as big as the ones I used) on the rod end bearing bolts to prevent
the bearing from coming apart and potentially jamming the controls. Of
course, this should be standard procedure with any rod end bearing
installation (throttle, mixture, etc) that is not trapped by a fork
connection.
A local RV-8 driver had the ailerons to lock when the seat sagged enough
to contact the end of a hose clamp that was used to secure a Navaid
servo connection on the aileron torque tube. Just be sure that the seat
bottoms in the -8s cannot foul any linkages if the bottom sags due to a
hefty pilot or G-loading!
Sam Buchanan
http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | Re: The delete key is getting wore out.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
RV8ter@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
>Any possibility we could get back to RV building any time soon?
>
If you have something legitimate to contribute, please do.
Bob
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Good news for Jon... |
--> RV-List message posted by: a flyer <aflyer@direcway.com>
Hey, you mean SHE planned ahead? What a concept!!
Maybe we could get HER to fly the Wright flyer for us on Wednesday!
John Huft
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Gray" <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RV-List: Good news for Jon...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031212_101.html
>
> SYDNEY, Australia Dec. 12 A British pilot forced by bad weather to
> abandon her attempt to fly around the world over both poles said Friday
> that an Australian aviator stranded at a research station on the
> Antarctic coast could use fuel she had stored there.
>
> The offer by Polly Vacher ended a diplomatic spat between Australia and
> its two closest allies the United States and New Zealand who had refused
> to refuel Jon Johanson's homemade plane.
>
>
> ......
> Thanks Polly,
>
> Doug Gray
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Oldenburg" <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
As a service to the RV Community, I've put up a classified ad system on
my web page. You can check it out here:
http://www.rv.oldsack.com/classifieds
I was somewhat disappointed in the other RV classifieds I've seen. This
system is more user-friendly, allows easy upload of images for your ads,
is pop-up and ad-ware free, and allows for concealed e-mail address so
that you don't become spam-bait!
Enjoy!
- Fred
Frederick W. Oldenburg Jr.
RV-7A Standard Kit - Empennage
http://www.rv.oldsack.com <http://www.rv.oldsack.com/>
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| Subject: | RE: RV Classifieds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Oldenburg" <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
Oh yea..I forgot the most important part - It's Free!
--------------------
As a service to the RV Community, I've put up a classified ad system on
my web page. You can check it out here:
http://www.rv.oldsack.com/classifieds
I was somewhat disappointed in the other RV classifieds I've seen. This
system is more user-friendly, allows easy upload of images for your ads,
is pop-up and ad-ware free, and allows for concealed e-mail address so
that you don't become spam-bait!
Enjoy!
- Fred
Frederick W. Oldenburg Jr.
RV-7A Standard Kit - Empennage
http://www.rv.oldsack.com <http://www.rv.oldsack.com/>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Boyd Braem wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> This may be something for the List to contemplate, so I'm responding
> accordingly.
>
> My Lycoming engine manual for the AEIOU (and sometimes Y)-series gives
> a max oil temp of 245 F (they give a "desired" temp of 180 F). I
> believe the "Sky Ranch Engine Manual" (for Lycomings)(I don't have the
> book handy) says that you should have cleaner oil at 200 F (but, my
> mind is a dangerous thing). My highest oil temp (from the VM-1000 data
> chip) was 192 F.
>
> Personally, I wouldn't get worked up to a lather over 200-210 F.
>
> And double-check the engine manual as they recommend certain viscosity
> oils for different ambient temps.
>
> Boyd
I agree 100%. I had to put tape over the Pitts cooler to get it up to temp and
other people with S1T's often see 220 when they work them hard in hot weather.
Seems like somewhere I read that oil lasts longer when run cooler, but one has
to run them hot enough to get the moisture out or there will be lots of
trouble later because of internal rust.
Phil
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| Subject: | Dynon internal compass |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I have an RV question. This may have been covered before in the many discussions
on the Dynon so I apologize if this is a rehash.
I've read about some of the difficulties encountered when trying to mount and calibrate
the remote compass unit. The question is, has anyone got the internal
compass to work satisfactorily so the remote compass is not needed? I think the
type of RV you're building and the equipment surrounding the Dynon would have
an impact. If you can answer yes to the first question can you also tell us
what RV type and what instruments you have in proximity to the Dynon or a link
to a picture would be great.
Thanks.
Ken
RV-8
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: valspar paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
I have used Valspar to paint a couple of aircraft. It is inexpensive and
holds up well. I would use it again.
Craig warner RV6 still building
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Japundza" <bjapundza@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: valspar paint
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bob Japundza <bjapundza@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi All, has anyone had experience with the Valspar base/clear paints? I
know the factory airplanes are painted with this stuff and am wondering how
well it has held up, if it stains easily, etc. I understand that it costs
significantly less than other brands.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying
> F1 QB under const.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re:Jon and VH-NOJ |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
chris wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: chris <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
>
>
>Bill Dube wrote:
>
>
>
>> Would you land there if your life was not in danger? I certainly
>>wouldn't after hearing about Jon's experience.
>>
>>
>
>My understanding is it was either land there or ditch in the ocean after
> his fuel ran out. That sounds like "life in danger" to me. It's not
>like he planed to land there to see what he could get away with. It was
>a last resort. It would be a totally different matter if he just
>decided to fly there land and then asked to buy gas to go back home with
>out ever a thought to check first. This was an emergency caused by
>changing weather conditions, give him a break already.
>
Sorry Chris. I don't buy it. Your defense of JJ is admirable, but the
bottom line is that he could have placed gas at McMurdo just as Polly
did. He didn't. He blew it. It's fortunate that he will be able to use
her gas, otherwise he would have to pay the consequences of his poor
planning. Instead of all the chest beating, we could learn from his
experience and become better planners in our own flights. As it appears
that JJ is going to be on his way soon, maybe we can get back to some RV
threads???
Linn
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| Subject: | Auto-Pilot Control Lockup |
--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
Thanks Sam, Here's the photo that didn't make it.....and you're right on
about the large retaining washers too.
ron.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Buchanan [mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Auto-Pilot Control Lockup
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
van Bladeren, Ron wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
>
> While installing the floor section under the pilots seat on my 8A the
other
> day, I noticed that one of the stiffeners interfered with the roll servo's
> actuating arm. So, I simply cut away the offending section of stiffener
and
> fabricated a heavier support bracket to insure that a heavy "sitter"
> wouldn't be able to sag the floor into the servo arm. All seemed fine and
> good until another problem caught my eye. The more I stared at his new
> problem, the more apparent it became that it could result in roll control
> lockup and/or loss of control. Here's the problem (see photo):
>
> The DigiTrak servo uses three 3/16" screws (mine came with AN3 bolts) to
> secure the stepper motor to its mounting bracket via three tapped holes in
> the motor frame. This is fine under normal conditions, but potentially,
if
> the top inboard screw (red circle) was to loosen and partially back out of
> its hole, it most likely would hit the AN3 bolt (green circle) mounted to
> the actuating arm and prevent the torque tube from rotating. That's not
so
> good!
>
> My solution was to drill out the threads in the servo frame and install an
> AN3 bolt all the way through with a fiber lock nut on the other end
(yellow
> circle). Alternatively, one could install a drilled head bolt and safety
> wire it to the frame.
>
> In any case, if you have a DigiTrak servo, you might want to review your
> installation for this type of interference. BTW, I had originally
installed
> the bolt with locktite and a lock washer but I was amazed at how easier it
> removed for the retrofit.
>
> Take care, hope this is helpful....
>
> Ron.
>
Good catch, Ron! :-)
Like you, the possibility of servo mounting bolts coming loose on the
TruTrak servo concerned me enough to make some changes. No servo bolts
were included with the servo in my AlTrak system (which works like a
charm!) and no mention was made in the documentation about securing the
mounting bolts.
Here is how I addressed the issue:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/altrak.htm
I went with AN3 drilled head bolts and safety wired them to each other.
Another important point is to use a large area washer (doesn't have to
be as big as the ones I used) on the rod end bearing bolts to prevent
the bearing from coming apart and potentially jamming the controls. Of
course, this should be standard procedure with any rod end bearing
installation (throttle, mixture, etc) that is not trapped by a fork
connection.
A local RV-8 driver had the ailerons to lock when the seat sagged enough
to contact the end of a hose clamp that was used to secure a Navaid
servo connection on the aileron torque tube. Just be sure that the seat
bottoms in the -8s cannot foul any linkages if the bottom sags due to a
hefty pilot or G-loading!
Sam Buchanan
http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | RV-8 Wire Conduit holes through front and rear spars |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vince Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
Hello,
I am starting to wire my RV-8 and would like to make a cable run that parallels
the rudder cables through both the front
and rear spar so as to avoid exposed cables in the cabin. This requires my putting
two small holes (7/16 to 5/8) a couple
inches inboard from each rudder cable spar hole on both front and rear spars.
Surfing the net I have seen pictures of where other builders have done same, but
would like to hear from anyone who has
done this and also has received the official blessing from Van's?
Thanks!
Vince Himsl
RV8-SB Finish
N8432 reserved
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| Subject: | re:Jon and VH-NOJ |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV-List: re:Jon and VH-NOJ
As it appears
that JJ is going to be on his way soon, maybe we can get back to some RV
threads???
Linn
OK, I give up. What's more of an RV thread than the current perilous status
of a guy in an RV in Antarctica who has flown his RV around the world a
couple of times? Oh yes, primer! That's it. Let's hear some more ideas on
primer.
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: N520RR First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Congratulations Richard.
Richard Dudley
Richard B. Rauch wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard B. Rauch" <richardr@apcon.com>
>
> My RV8-A, N520RR, took to the air for the first time today, after 2 years 11
months of building. It was a nice 45 minute first flight, the only squawk being
a slightly heavy right wing and a nervous pilot.
>
> My 8 is equipped with a factory Lycoming O-360-A1A, MTV-12 3 blade constant speed
prop, IFR panel, and one excited builder/pilot.
>
> The help from this site was enormous.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Richard B. Rauch
> Email: richardr@apcon.com
>
> APCON, Inc.
> 17938 SW Upper Boones Ferry Rd.
> Portland, OR 97224 USA
> Ph: (503)639-6700
> Fax: (503)639-6740
>
> Web: www.apcon.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV Classifieds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
Cheers Fred,
Nice job and a much needed service that I hope really "takes flight"!
Thank you,
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
Finishing up the wings..
Do Not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Oldenburg" <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: RE: RV Classifieds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Oldenburg" <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
>
> Oh yea..I forgot the most important part - It's Free!
>
> --------------------
>
> As a service to the RV Community, I've put up a classified ad system on
> my web page. You can check it out here:
>
> http://www.rv.oldsack.com/classifieds
>
> I was somewhat disappointed in the other RV classifieds I've seen. This
> system is more user-friendly, allows easy upload of images for your ads,
> is pop-up and ad-ware free, and allows for concealed e-mail address so
> that you don't become spam-bait!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> - Fred
>
> Frederick W. Oldenburg Jr.
> RV-7A Standard Kit - Empennage
> http://www.rv.oldsack.com <http://www.rv.oldsack.com/>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re:Jon and VH-NOJ |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
> maybe we can get back to some RV
>threads???
>Linn
>
>
>
>
I would suggest that if you want to keep it "RV threads" you don't
respond to any of this it always amazes
me that the "thread" police are always the ones that jump into an off
topic subject.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: valspar paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Bob,
I used it to paint my 1967 Camaro and it has held up very well, I have
been very happy with it
on my car.
Jerry
do not archive.
Bob Japundza wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Japundza <bjapundza@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi All, has anyone had experience with the Valspar base/clear paints? I know
the factory airplanes are painted with this stuff and am wondering how well it
has held up, if it stains easily, etc. I understand that it costs significantly
less than other brands.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob Japundza
>RV-6 flying
>F1 QB under const.
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | HTS 2000 Aluminum Welding Rod |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Any experience in using HTS 2000 to weld aluminum out there? Thinking of
making a removable auxiliary fuel tank.
John
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--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
I just got the tail end about Allen Upright Independence Oregon. Didn't get
what something about bad wheather. anyone Know what this is about? Allen has
the first customer built RV7. He is a really good person hope every thing is
okay.
Jerry Wilken
Albany Orgon
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| Subject: | Re: Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Delano" <m.delano@worldnet.att.net>
> I cannot understand your attitude everyone these days is SPECIAL
and the rules do not apply to them only the other guy. Stop signs are for
you to obey so you don't hit me when I run the sign. Don't you know that you
are responsible for my stupidity. You aren't thinking like a good liberal.
> MD
----- Original Message -----
From: <marknlisa@hometel.com>
Subject: RV-List: Jon & McMurdo - Missing the point
> --> RV-List message posted by: marknlisa@hometel.com
>
> Ya'll are missing the point. The question you should ask yourself is how
> would you plan/fly a mission like this if McMurdo Station wasn't there?
> Would you turn back to New Zealand at the first sign of unforcast
> headwinds?
>
> That's what the NSF and the staff at McMurdo want "adverturers" to do,
> assume McMurdo isn't there and plan accordingly -- Jon didn't, and now
> *HE* must deal with the consequences. I won't second-guess Jon's decision;
> I will say *HE* is responsible for the consequences, not the scientists at
> McMurdo.
>
> Besides, whatever happened to courtesy, you know, the kind your Mom & Dad
> taught you. Jon's placed himself at the mercy of the McMurdo staff. What
> they've offered isn't good enough? He's asked for something they're
> unwilling and/or unable to give, how does that make them wrong? Do you
> make faces when your Grandma gives you socks instead of a CD for
> Christmas? Would you like others to analyze your charity and tell you it's
> not good enough?
>
> The politically-minded among you have accused the McMurdo Staff of being
> Republican, Democratic and Totalitarian. Those of you who disagree with
> their decision want them to be Conservative (leave us alone, we can do
> what we want) until you're in trouble, then you want them to be Liberals
> (help us, you're the Government, you *HAVE* to help us), when in fact,
> they're none of the above. They are a Gov't agency following established
> Gov't policy and can get in trouble for doing otherwise.
>
> As far as discouraging anyone from "adventuring" in the Antartic to
> protect the environment -- that's smoke, I don't even know who came up
> with that one. The reality is if someone needs rescuing in Antarctica the
> *ONLY* organization that can help them is the one with resources to spare.
> Resources, think food, shelter, equipment, fuel, time and, least
> available, manpower. Are these scientists trained for arctic (antarctic?)
> SAR? Ya think that might be a little dangerous? Ya think ya might like to
> discourage folks from expecting it? If McMurdo assumes SAR responsibility
> for the Antarctic (even in a non-formal, oops-I-just-need-help-this-once
> way), what happens when someone dies there, who's to blame? Would you
> like to hash that one out in court? The NSF & US/Kiwi Gov't's aren't
> telling people to stay off Antarctica, they are telling people not to
> count on the staff at McMurdo to endanger themselves (the staff)
> if "adventuring" places "adventurers" in danger.
>
> We like to think of ourselves as capable, intelligent folks who can
> exercise judgement in the application of rules, such as when we should or
> should not break/bend them. But I submit that capability is predicated on
> a deep understanding of all the reasons, situations and possible outcomes
> of a situation for which a particular rule was established. Just as I
> wouldn't second-guess the decisions of the Pilot-In-Command, I won't
> second-guess the decisions of McMurdo's leadership -- their understanding
> of living and working in such a forbidding environment is much clearer
> than mine.
>
> Should McMurdo Station should be equipped and/or staffed to provide SAR
> for Antartica? You mean so folks can try to
> fly/snowmobile/dogsled/walk/etc. across it whenever they feel like it? I
> don't know if *I* want to pay for it...
>
> The reality is right now it isn't and the NSF and US/Kiwi Governments want
> everyone to know it. You may not agree with the way they "advertise" this
> fact, but I certainly understand it. Personally, I can't nor won't blame
> the NSF, the US Gov't or the Kiwi Gov't for playing hardball on this one.
> Knowing the considerable personal danger involved for the staff (trained
> or untrained in arctic SAR), will you?
>
> Mark
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
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>
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| Subject: | Allen Upright crash |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
I called some people, found that Allen and another plane going to Flying M
for lunch got in bad wheather and Allen didn't get home. This is sad news. I am
sorry.
Jerry Wilken
Albany Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Allen Upright? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Jerry,
We lost Al yesterday, it look like a weather thing at this point. Damn
I wish people would not fly into crappie weather
Al is one of the guys I would usually meet up with at Saturday morning
breakfast.
Sad day for us
Jerry Springer
do not archive
WPAerial@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
>I just got the tail end about Allen Upright Independence Oregon. Didn't get
>what something about bad wheather. anyone Know what this is about? Allen has
>the first customer built RV7. He is a really good person hope every thing is
>okay.
>
>
>Jerry Wilken
> Albany Orgon
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sorry to report this. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
RV-ers...
The following link to KATU TV in Portland, OR. Al was a very experienced RV
builder and pilot, having flown P-51's as a young man. He had built multiple
RV's, and built one of the first if not the first RV7a's. He will be missed.
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=63093
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
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"RV7 Yahoo List" <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | Canadian Aircraft flying in US |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
I have a Canadian registered aircraft that I would like to prepare to take to the
US.
I have the letter entitled "Special Flight Authorization for Canadian Amateur-Built
Aircraft
Operating in the United States" but in that letter it says that a blanket special
flight authorization
may be obtained by submitting an electronic query to the FAA website.
Can anybody out there direct me to where I can get this information and make sure
I'm permitted
to fly to the US.
Steve
RV7A
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| Subject: | Re: HTS 2000 Aluminum Welding Rod |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
John, I have used it a bit. I find it to be the best Aluminum Brazing (not
welding) rod I have tried - out of three or four different types. Most of
the others I have tried were difficult (for me at least) to use. They
frequently just beaded up and ran off. In any case, I have used this one to
braze thin wall aluminum tubes (.058 wall) to heavy aluminum manifold
blocks - almost impossible to weld (unless you are very good with a TIG).
So I was pleased with the results.
Don't know how it would work on brazing aluminum tanks. I would think it
would hold a plate on the end of a tube without any problem I think the
tensile strength is around 40,000 psi.
After using it to braze some scrap thin wall tubing to plate, I took a
hammer and while I beat the tube into severe distortion, I couldn't break
the braze loose.
FWIW
Ed
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Subject: RV-List: HTS 2000 Aluminum Welding Rod
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> Any experience in using HTS 2000 to weld aluminum out there? Thinking of
> making a removable auxiliary fuel tank.
>
> John
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
Here's a link for those who have questioned the nature of the new MEMs
gyros. There's a recently posted photo here that shows how small they
really are.
http://www.trioavionics.com/features.htm
Jerry
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| Subject: | Canadian Aircraft flying in US |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
Steve
Check on the COPA web site.... www.copanational.org They have all the info
there. Basically you need the letter you have, a working transponder and
must be in radar contact with a US atc facility prior to crossing the
border. You also have a 1/2 hour window to arrive or customs will get a bit
upset with you. Check the site in case I missed something though.
Joe Hine
RV4 C-FYTQ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve & Denise
Subject: RV-List: Canadian Aircraft flying in US
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
I have a Canadian registered aircraft that I would like to prepare to take
to the US.
I have the letter entitled "Special Flight Authorization for Canadian
Amateur-Built Aircraft
Operating in the United States" but in that letter it says that a blanket
special flight authorization
may be obtained by submitting an electronic query to the FAA website.
Can anybody out there direct me to where I can get this information and make
sure I'm permitted
to fly to the US.
Steve
RV7A
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| Subject: | Re: Good news for Jon... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
As near as I can figure from going through her website, she had made
sure that fuel was available at her planned stops (McMurdo was a
planned stop), but not at potential diversion airfields. She ran
into severe headwinds on her flight to McMurdo, so she had to land at
an airport that didn't have any fuel for her (her departure point -
she had already used up her fuel cache there), so she was stuck
without fuel. This doesn't seem a lot different from Jon's situation.
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: a flyer <aflyer@direcway.com>
>
>Hey, you mean SHE planned ahead? What a concept!!
>
>Maybe we could get HER to fly the Wright flyer for us on Wednesday!
>
>John Huft
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Doug Gray" <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Good news for Jon...
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031212_101.html
>>
>> SYDNEY, Australia Dec. 12 A British pilot forced by bad weather to
>> abandon her attempt to fly around the world over both poles said Friday
>> that an Australian aviator stranded at a research station on the
>> Antarctic coast could use fuel she had stored there.
>>
>> The offer by Polly Vacher ended a diplomatic spat between Australia and
>> its two closest allies the United States and New Zealand who had refused
>> to refuel Jon Johanson's homemade plane.
>>
>>
>> ......
>> Thanks Polly,
>>
> > Doug Gray
>>
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Good news for Jon... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Polly Vacher's aircraft has a lot shorter range than Jon's RV-4,
judging by the much shorter length of the legs described on her web
site. She planned at least three stops in Antarctica, while Jon had
the legs to potentially hop right over it. So it seems quite
unlikely that her fuel cache would be enough to go over the Pole to
South America. In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised it it wasn't
enough for Jon to single-hop it to New Zealand.
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company"
><winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
>Good for Jon!!!
>
>I'd sure like to see him continue his flight plan to Puerto Arenas, but I
>suspect that the "deal" involving "Polly's fuel" was that it was
>coincidently just enough to allow him to tuck tail and go home.
>
>Sorry guy's, but I'm always skeptical of "coincidences". I tend more to
>believe that this was the diplomatic deal to end an embarrasing situation.
>
>We'll find out in a couple months when the dust settles.
>
>Too bad for Mark Udall too. He thinks he evaded a problem. I think he lost
>an opportunity.
>
>Andy
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Good news for Jon...
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031212_101.html
>>
>> SYDNEY, Australia Dec. 12 A British pilot forced by bad weather to
>> abandon her attempt to fly around the world over both poles said Friday
>> that an Australian aviator stranded at a research station on the
>> Antarctic coast could use fuel she had stored there.
>>
>> The offer by Polly Vacher ended a diplomatic spat between Australia and
>> its two closest allies the United States and New Zealand who had refused
>> to refuel Jon Johanson's homemade plane.
>>
>>
>> ......
>> Thanks Polly,
>>
>> Doug Gray
> >
>>
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| Subject: | Re: HTS 2000 Aluminum Welding Rod |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Still no go with 2024 tho , right?
hal
te:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>John, I have used it a bit. I find it to be the best Aluminum Brazing (not
>welding) rod I have tried - out of three or four different types. Most of
>the others I have tried were difficult (for me at least) to use. They
>frequently just beaded up and ran off. In any case, I have used this one to
>braze thin wall aluminum tubes (.058 wall) to heavy aluminum manifold
>blocks - almost impossible to weld (unless you are very good with a TIG).
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| Subject: | Re: Allen Upright? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
I don't mean to sound callous, but, if if you're going to fly into the
smoke--you have to know what you're doing--that's why I'm such a Harpy
on the "light IFR thing".. Flying by instruments is fairly simple,
provided you get some regular practice--Bill and Jeremy's death was a
total waste, along with many others. Al's decision was his, alone. I
don't know if he could have turned 180 or not. I know nothing about
the accident, at this point.
I just wish it wouldn't have happened.
Boyd.
On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 09:41 PM, Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Jerry,
> We lost Al yesterday, it look like a weather thing at this point. Damn
> I wish people would not fly into crappie weather
> Al is one of the guys I would usually meet up with at Saturday morning
> breakfast.
> Sad day for us
> Jerry Springer
> do not archive
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<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | Great New Product |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I had mentioned this product a while back when it was first announced. I now have it installed in my plane and I'm very impressed. This is a new canopy latch mechanism for Tip Up's from Robbie Attaway at www.attawayair.com.
Robbie was not happy with the quality of the stock version so he designed and had
a new one machined. This one is beefier than stock and has a very positive
latch mechanism. When installed the latch is completely flush with the out side
of the fuselage.
The latch installs exactly as the stock version. It could be retrofitted to existing
fuselages with a little work.
Yes it is a few ounces heavier than stock but I think it looks nicer, has a more
positive latch system and most importantly, it looks cool!!! Check it out.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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