Today's Message Index:
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1. 08:00 AM - Re: RV List Skytec starter (Rich Chiappe)
2. 08:57 AM - Re: Calculating AOA Values (Ross Mickey)
3. 10:28 AM - insurance questions ()
4. 10:46 AM - Re: insurance questions (Boyd Braem)
5. 10:57 AM - Re: insurance questions (RGray67968@aol.com)
6. 11:01 AM - Re: insurance questions (Brian Denk)
7. 11:22 AM - Re: insurance questions (Perry Rhoads)
8. 11:27 AM - Re: insurance questions (van Bladeren, Ron)
9. 11:29 AM - AOPA Airport Database... (Bill VonDane)
10. 11:33 AM - Re: insurance questions (John Helms)
11. 11:56 AM - Re: insurance questions (Charles Rowbotham)
12. 12:09 PM - Re: insurance questions (John)
13. 12:31 PM - Re: AOPA Airport Database... (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
14. 12:31 PM - Re: insurance questions (Paul Besing)
15. 01:14 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness and Baggage (Boyd Braem)
16. 01:28 PM - Aircraft Loans... (Bill VonDane)
17. 02:11 PM - Re: Aircraft Loans... (SCOTT MORGAN)
18. 02:11 PM - Re: Aircraft Loans... (Charles Rowbotham)
19. 02:54 PM - Re: Calculating AOA Values (Kevin Horton)
20. 03:17 PM - Re: difficult IFR platform ? (Fred Stucklen)
21. 03:24 PM - Cracked Canopy (Dane Sheahen)
22. 03:33 PM - Re: insurance questions (Cy Galley)
23. 03:39 PM - Fund for a brave Lt. Col. (JOHN STARN)
24. 03:52 PM - Re: Cracked Canopy (RV6ator@aol.com)
25. 04:15 PM - Re: insurance questions (DANIEL W WATTERS)
26. 05:41 PM - fuel filters (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
27. 06:17 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness and Baggage (Dave Bristol)
28. 06:35 PM - Re: fuel filters (Boyd Braem)
29. 06:44 PM - Re: fuel filters (Boyd Braem)
30. 07:25 PM - Re: Cracked Canopy (Paul Besing)
31. 07:26 PM - Re: AOPA Airport Database... (Karie Daniel)
32. 07:31 PM - Col. West fund address (JOHN STARN)
33. 07:39 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness and Baggage (Charlie & Tupper England)
34. 10:08 PM - Copper Stock tip.... (Jack Lockamy)
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| Subject: | Re: RV List Skytec starter |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rich Chiappe <service@skytecair.com>
> Does anyone know the actual AMP. that a Skytech starter uses starting a
> O-320 160 HP? I will be mounting my Batt. directly behind the baggage
> comp. and was trying to calculate the voltage loss with this long of a
> cable to the starter so that I can use the correct size cable.
>Weasel-4
Weasel:
Too many variables involved to give you a hard number, but rule of thumb is, if
battery is in back, use min. of #2 cable and if battery is in front, use min
of #4. As always, the differnce in weight and cost is minimal so to err on the
safe side, if you can, just run the #0 and take the worry out of it.
Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help.
- Rich Chiappe
Sky-Tec
www.skytecair.com
richc@sktyecair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Calculating AOA Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
> >
> >I have just started flying with my AOA Pro II in my RV6A. How do I
> >calculate best
> >glide, best rate of climb, best angle of climb, best cruise, approach AOA
> >etc? I have read all the articles about AOA but have found nothing about
> >this.
> >
> >Ross Mickey
> >N9PT
>
> There are no shortcuts I'm afraid. You'll need to do the flight
> testing to establish the speeds for best glide, etc at some standard
> weight. Then, once you have sorted out all the speeds, fly the
> aircraft to each speed in straight, level flight while loaded to your
> standard weight and note the AOA.
>
> Note - some of the speeds of interest will always be at the same AOA
> regardless of weight, altitude, etc. But some other speeds will
> actually be at different AOAs as you vary weight, altitude, etc. For
> example, at sea level, the speed for best angle of climb is less than
> the speed for best rate of climb, and thus the AOA for best angle of
> climb is higher than the AOA for best rate of climb. As you increase
> the altitude the speed for best angle of climb and best rate of climb
> will come closer together. They are the same speed at the absolute
> ceiling, so they are the same AOA too.
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Thanks, Kevin. I realized this as soon as I pushed the send button. I was
thinking that the AOA would be calibrated so that, once the unit was set up
for your airplane, these flight situation AOA's would be standardized. I
think this is somewhat true based on the following email I received from Jim
Frantz.
******
Basically the green donut should be best approach AOA, the transition
between green and yellow the best glide, best angle of climb and long range
cruise. If you have the warning occurring at 15% above the actual stall,
the best glide etc will be automatically figured for your aircraft by the
AOA. You need only compare to the aircraft book numbers and tweak if
necessary the advanced procedures.
Jim
*************
Ross
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| Subject: | insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low time private
pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info that those of you
who are flying could provide on your experiences with various agents. We are looking
for liability + hull insurance. Aircraft valued at about $60K. Interested
in your experiences regarding prices, customer service, etc...
I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that the market,
and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would like current info.
I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe only one?)
so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into that agent and quote
for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would sure like to know where the
best deal is before asking for a quote.
The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
Mike Wills
RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
RV-6A (almost!)
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| Subject: | Re: insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
I don't have his address handy, but check the Archives for John Helms
(insurance agent and an RV friend).
On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 01:27 PM, <rv-4mike@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
>
> A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low
> time private pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info
> that those of you who are flying could provide on your experiences
> with various agents. We are looking for liability + hull insurance.
> Aircraft valued at about $60K. Interested in your experiences
> regarding prices, customer service, etc...
>
> I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that
> the market, and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would
> like current info.
>
> I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe
> only one?) so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into
> that agent and quote for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would
> sure like to know where the best deal is before asking for a quote.
>
> The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
>
> Mike Wills
> RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
> RV-6A (almost!)
>
>
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Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
I shopped around and no one I talked to came close to the VanGuard program.
Ya' might call Nation Air (VanGuard) and ask for J.T. Helms....... he'll be
able to answer ALL your questions.
http://www.nationair.com/index.cfm?&fuseaction=special.vanguardl
Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
archive
The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
Mike Wills
RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
RV-6A (almost!)
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| Subject: | insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
>
> A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low time
>private pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info that those
>of you who are flying could provide on your experiences with various
>agents. We are looking for liability + hull insurance. Aircraft valued at
>about $60K. Interested in your experiences regarding prices, customer
>service, etc...
>
> I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that the
>market, and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would like
>current info.
>
> I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe only
>one?) so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into that agent
>and quote for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would sure like to
>know where the best deal is before asking for a quote.
>
> The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
>
>Mike Wills
>RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
>RV-6A (almost!)
I would highly recommend staying with VanGuard (JT Helms @ Nationair
Insurance: 877-475-5860).
You will probably need a five hour RV checkout at a minimum. I've been with
them for four years now and just renewed with them today. Expect around
$1600/year for full coverage. That's what I paid the first year for hull
coverage at $65k as a low time Private Pilot bottom feeder. (Which I still
am, but with about 350 hrs. of RV taildragger time.)
Good luck!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 51 tail kit ships this week.
Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home.
http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
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| Subject: | Re: insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Perry Rhoads" <perryrhoads@ctnet.net>
The Van Guard program will probably be the best for your aircraft/experience
level.
Give JT a call. I'm in the insurance business, and still insure my RV-3 with
VanGuard.
Perry Rhoads
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: insurance questions
> --> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
>
> A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low time
private pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info that those
of you who are flying could provide on your experiences with various agents.
We are looking for liability + hull insurance. Aircraft valued at about
$60K. Interested in your experiences regarding prices, customer service,
etc...
>
> I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that the
market, and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would like
current info.
>
> I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe only
one?) so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into that agent and
quote for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would sure like to know
where the best deal is before asking for a quote.
>
> The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
>
> Mike Wills
> RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
> RV-6A (almost!)
>
>
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| Subject: | insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
If you have USAA (for auto/home), I suggest you give them a call. They gave
me a real sweet deal for $60K Hull. Great customer service. They quoted
and issued a binder over the phone in less than an hour. They were very
savvy about the RV series.
Ron.
-----Original Message-----
From: rv-4mike@cox.net [mailto:rv-4mike@cox.net]
Subject: RV-List: insurance questions
--> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low time
private pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info that those
of you who are flying could provide on your experiences with various agents.
We are looking for liability + hull insurance. Aircraft valued at about
$60K. Interested in your experiences regarding prices, customer service,
etc...
I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that the
market, and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would like
current info.
I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe only
one?) so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into that agent and
quote for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would sure like to know
where the best deal is before asking for a quote.
The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
Mike Wills
RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
RV-6A (almost!)
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| Subject: | AOPA Airport Database... |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone know where you can get the AOPA Airport Database for the iPAQ? I found
it for the Palm...
I recently bought Airport Insight for my iPAQ and it is very nice; has all the
info, and is updated regularly for only $40 a year, but I wanted to see about
the AOPA database...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Thank you to Boyd and Brian, both. I do feel like I've made many friends in
the RV community. It's been my pleasure. It's been a great 4+ year
relationship.
Your comments really lifted my spirits today. Had an RV customer who is not
pleased on the phone with me this morning. This has really turned my day
around.
Thanks again
JT
P.S. He's mad at me because of two things (neither of which I had any
control over):
1. the insurance company won't replace his spinner... a couple of months
ago he had a prop strike, and upgraded his prop making his spinner obsolete,
and since it was not damaged the insurance company won't replace it.
2. and he's going to do his annual and wants to lower his coverage for a
couple of weeks. No insurance companies including the VanGuard Program's
insurance company will lower full coverage to ground not in motion coverage
for less than 90 days. People would make the companies endorse the coverage
up and down 25 times a year, lowering the $'s they take in, making them
raise premiums, and increasing their workload to boot.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boyd Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: insurance questions
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
I don't have his address handy, but check the Archives for John Helms
(insurance agent and an RV friend).
On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 01:27 PM, <rv-4mike@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
>
> A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low
> time private pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info
> that those of you who are flying could provide on your experiences
> with various agents. We are looking for liability + hull insurance.
> Aircraft valued at about $60K. Interested in your experiences
> regarding prices, customer service, etc...
>
> I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that
> the market, and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would
> like current info.
>
> I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe
> only one?) so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into
> that agent and quote for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would
> sure like to know where the best deal is before asking for a quote.
>
> The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
>
> Mike Wills
> RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
> RV-6A (almost!)
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
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> >
>
>
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
do not archive
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| Subject: | insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Mike,
We've had very good luck with Scott Smith of Skysmith Ins (800) 743-1439.
I would expect what carrier you go with will require 10 or so hours of dual.
Very good idea from a safety point as well.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: insurance questions
>Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:27:44 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
>
> A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low time
>private pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info that those
>of you who are flying could provide on your experiences with various
>agents. We are looking for liability + hull insurance. Aircraft valued at
>about $60K. Interested in your experiences regarding prices, customer
>service, etc...
>
> I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that the
>market, and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would like
>current info.
>
> I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe only
>one?) so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into that agent
>and quote for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would sure like to
>know where the best deal is before asking for a quote.
>
> The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
>
>Mike Wills
>RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
>RV-6A (almost!)
>
>
Get holiday tips for festive fun.
http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx
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| Subject: | Re: insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Van Guard through Nation's Air....see www.vansairforce.com web site...there
is a link there for the agent...I get $1 million liability for minimum
billing fee of $400 and if I insure the hull for damage of $50k it runs
around $550 per year....
John
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| Subject: | AOPA Airport Database... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Bill are you computer literate?
Have MS Access?
I hacked the db a year ago for the same reason.
Send me e-mail off line.
Mike
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Subject: RV-List: AOPA Airport Database...
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone know where you can get the AOPA Airport Database for the iPAQ? I
found it for the Palm...
I recently bought Airport Insight for my iPAQ and it is very nice; has
all the info, and is updated regularly for only $40 a year, but I wanted
to see about the AOPA database...
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
I second that. Since their program is specific to RV's, they are the most
competitave I have seen. I was so happy with their rates and service, I
insured my Cessna 140 with JT as well, and had the same exceptional service.
JT is always on the pulse of the (experimental) aviation insurance industry,
and can be trusted with insuring you at the best rates, and best coverage.
When I insured my RV-6A I had 100 hours total time, about 5 hours RV time.
Avemco wanted $2000/year. Picked up the phone and called JT and got about
$1400. That was for $60K hull, and all the standard stuff. Done deal.
This was pre 9/11 so, it might be higher. Nevertheless, with RV insurance
you can't go wrong with JT's program.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (RV-10 Soon)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: insurance questions
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
> >
> > A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low
time
> >private pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info that
those
> >of you who are flying could provide on your experiences with various
> >agents. We are looking for liability + hull insurance. Aircraft valued at
> >about $60K. Interested in your experiences regarding prices, customer
> >service, etc...
> >
> > I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that
the
> >market, and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would like
> >current info.
> >
> > I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe
only
> >one?) so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into that agent
> >and quote for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would sure like to
> >know where the best deal is before asking for a quote.
> >
> > The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
> >
> >Mike Wills
> >RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
> >RV-6A (almost!)
>
> I would highly recommend staying with VanGuard (JT Helms @ Nationair
> Insurance: 877-475-5860).
> You will probably need a five hour RV checkout at a minimum. I've been
with
> them for four years now and just renewed with them today. Expect around
> $1600/year for full coverage. That's what I paid the first year for hull
> coverage at $65k as a low time Private Pilot bottom feeder. (Which I
still
> am, but with about 350 hrs. of RV taildragger time.)
>
> Good luck!
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 51 tail kit ships this week.
>
> Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home.
> http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harness and Baggage |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Jerry-
This has been a concern of mine because shoulder straps need to be
anchored to the seat or they need to make a 180 turn from just behind
the seat. If you fly inverted or do neg G stuff, the standard shoulder
belt set-up (at least in a -6) is not good. Take a look at how the
belts are attached to the longerons (angles) behind the the baggage
bulkhead and duplicate this behind the seat under the baggage floor. I
would suggest, however, that if you're going to attach the belts behind
the seat (like mine are) that you strengthen the longeron (because the
stress is now vertical to the longeron instead of horizontal) with a
long doubler plate and put the regular attachment bolts/nuts (to the
floor/fuselage bottom) closer together. And get another set of leg
belts. And don't pull those straps too loose.
My airplane, the Super 6, has been re-engineered for a high performance
IO-540 (Van doesn't like to talk about it), but you need to analyze the
problem (stress analysis) and then do what you need to do.
Boyd.
do not archive
On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 09:46 PM, Jerry Huether wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Huether" <jhuether@comcast.net>
>
> Curious if anyone has found a method to install shoulder harnesses
> without
> passing them through the baggage area of the RV6 or RV7. I'm
> interested in
> allowing for(more)bulky items in the baggage area of this aircraft.
>
> What would be the penalty in terms of cost, weight, and build time?
>
> Jerry Huether
> Tualatin, Oregon
> Planning the Storage Shed
> to make room for the RV7 (Tip Up)
> (Preview Plans)
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Loans... |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone have a recommendation of where to get an aircraft loan? I want to take
out a loan against my -8A so I can do that 180HP C/S upgrade!
YEEE HAAA!!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Loans... |
--> RV-List message posted by: SCOTT MORGAN <sdmorgan@prodigy.net>
I have found NAFCO in Lakeland FL to usually have the best rates on Aircraft Loans.
Look in Tradeaplane and shop them all over the phone. Occasionally, some
of the smaller guys get pretty competitive too.
Regards,
Scott
Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane
Anyone have a recommendation of where to get an aircraft loan? I want to take out
a loan against my -8A so I can do that 180HP C/S upgrade!
YEEE HAAA!!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Aircraft Loans... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Bill,
We used NAFCO, out of FL. They even reduced the rate after we were approved,
when rates went down a week before our closing.
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
p.s. you'll lover the C/S prop - don't forget to protect your prop with
PropGuard.
>From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8list@yahoogroups.com, vansairforce
><vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Loans...
>Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:28:20 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>Anyone have a recommendation of where to get an aircraft loan? I want to
>take out a loan against my -8A so I can do that 180HP C/S upgrade!
>
>YEEE HAAA!!
>
>-Bill VonDane
>EAA Tech Counselor
>RV-8A ~ N8WV
>www.vondane.com
>www.creativair.com
>www.epanelbuilder.com
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Calculating AOA Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
They may be able to provide AOA values that are good for an "average"
general aviation aircraft, but there is no guarantee that your
aircraft matches the average aircraft that their AOA values are based
on. If you want accurate results, you really need to do some flight
testing.
Kevin
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
>> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>> >
>> >I have just started flying with my AOA Pro II in my RV6A. How do I
>> >calculate best
>> >glide, best rate of climb, best angle of climb, best cruise, approach AOA
>> >etc? I have read all the articles about AOA but have found nothing about
>> >this.
>> >
>> >Ross Mickey
>> >N9PT
>>
>> There are no shortcuts I'm afraid. You'll need to do the flight
>> testing to establish the speeds for best glide, etc at some standard
>> weight. Then, once you have sorted out all the speeds, fly the
>> aircraft to each speed in straight, level flight while loaded to your
>> standard weight and note the AOA.
>>
>> Note - some of the speeds of interest will always be at the same AOA
>> regardless of weight, altitude, etc. But some other speeds will
>> actually be at different AOAs as you vary weight, altitude, etc. For
>> example, at sea level, the speed for best angle of climb is less than
>> the speed for best rate of climb, and thus the AOA for best angle of
>> climb is higher than the AOA for best rate of climb. As you increase
>> the altitude the speed for best angle of climb and best rate of climb
>> will come closer together. They are the same speed at the absolute
>> ceiling, so they are the same AOA too.
>> --
>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>
>Thanks, Kevin. I realized this as soon as I pushed the send button. I was
>thinking that the AOA would be calibrated so that, once the unit was set up
>for your airplane, these flight situation AOA's would be standardized. I
>think this is somewhat true based on the following email I received from Jim
>Frantz.
>******
>Basically the green donut should be best approach AOA, the transition
>between green and yellow the best glide, best angle of climb and long range
>cruise. If you have the warning occurring at 15% above the actual stall,
>the best glide etc will be automatically figured for your aircraft by the
>AOA. You need only compare to the aircraft book numbers and tweak if
>necessary the advanced procedures.
>
>Jim
>*************
>
>Ross
>
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| Subject: | Re: difficult IFR platform ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Stucklen" <wstucklen1@cox.net>
Paul, and other Listers,
Flying an RV-6, or any other RV, in IFR conditions, is a very
subjective issue. I can say from extensive flying of RV-6A's in IFR
that it requires a level of proficiency that is beyond that of the
casual IFR pilot, especially in turbulent conditions. (Too much
turbulence, and dependency on a wing leveler can be a BAD thing ...).
With the short wings, light controls, and the ability to roll fast,
these planes require a solid scan, and high level of proficiency to fly
IFR for long durations. Getting behind the plane can be fatal.
In the 10+ years of flying the RV-6a in hard IFR conditions, I have
found that I need to be doing multiple approaches every MONTH to remain
at the level of currency that I believe is necessary. To me, being
proficient, means that I never "feel" the correction that are requires
as I fly. Any corrections that I can feel mean that I'm slightly behind
the plane. Headings have to be held within 10*, altitudes within 50'.
This AND keeping up with fr3equency changes, communications, and even
preplanning clearances, AND flying the plane without a wing leveler.
Most of my currency flying is done in actual conditions, but some is
done under the hood with a check pilot.
Do I have a wing leveler: YES. It allows me to relax on LONG
duration flights, so I'm refreshed when it's time to perform an
approach...
I believe the disciplines of flying IFR make us all better pilots. It
also allows us to decide our own personal limits based upon our own
limitations. Get the ticket, ease into using it, and learn what you
personally can, and cannot do safely.
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
110 Hrs since Aug 03
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing"
<azpilot@extremezone.com>
I have never been in IMC with a -6, however I think I would agree
here.
Without a wing leveler or something, the RV would be difficult to
maintain
in IMC with winds and turbulence. It's amazing how much muscle
memory you
use to keep her level on a windy turbulent day in good weather
using your
visual cues. Lose the visual cues, and you could lose it quick.
Just a fog layer or something calm I don't think it would be much
of an
issue. The tail wag, however would definately cause some un
nerving spatial
confusion. I think the larger rudder now has solved that hasn't
it?
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (RV-10 Soon)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com <http://www.kitlog.com/>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boyd Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: difficult IFR platform ?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> I think a lot of pilots are not prepared for the light/quick
handling
> of an RV, if they've had time in other airplanes. Plus, at
least the
> -6, has some tail wag (yaw) in turbulence. You have to learn
about
> your environment.
>
> Boyd
> On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 12:35 AM, GMC wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@intergate.ca>
> >
> >
> >>> "The RV is a difficult IFR platform for the experienced
pilot. " <<
> >
> >
> > Not sure who made the above statement but I think anyone that
feels
> > that way
> > should do a very careful check for balance and friction in his
elevator
> > control system, any friction will make the aircraft difficult
to fly
> > accurately. My 6A is a pussycat!
> >
> > George McNutt
> > Langley, BC
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
I am looking for advice on what to do with a carked canopy. First off I
have already drilled a small hole to stop the crack.
This is the second winter for my RV8a. I flew the plane last week and I
came back this week and there is the crack. The RV is in an unheated hangar
and the temperature got down to 10 degrees the other night. First real cold
day of the season, so I am assuming that had something to do with it. Last
winter we had periods of cold weather that were colder and for longer
periods of time.
The crack starts at the skirt and goes up about 1 1/2 inches.
Any suggestions?
Dane Sheahen
RV8a driver
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| Subject: | Re: insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Might see what the EAA insurance thru Falcon will quote. 1-866-647-4322 or
you can go the EAA.org website and e-mail for a quote.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: insurance questions
> --> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
>
> A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low time
private pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info that those
of you who are flying could provide on your experiences with various agents.
We are looking for liability + hull insurance. Aircraft valued at about
$60K. Interested in your experiences regarding prices, customer service,
etc...
>
> I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that the
market, and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would like
current info.
>
> I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe only
one?) so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into that agent and
quote for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would sure like to know
where the best deal is before asking for a quote.
>
> The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
>
> Mike Wills
> RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
> RV-6A (almost!)
>
>
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"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Fund for a brave Lt. Col. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Does anyone know IF there is a fund to help the Army Lt. Col. who was fined
$5,000.00 in his Article 15 for shooting off a round (or two) close to a
terrorist in order to get him to tell about an ambush. This action saved
American lives BUT they still fined the Lt. Col. as part of his punishment.
I've got a small Christmas present ($$$) for him IF you know IF and WHERE
there is such a fund OR if we have a banker in the group, how do we set one
up. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6ator@aol.com
Dane,
I cracked the canopy on my six during installation. The crack eminated from a
screw hole on the frame and was 3/4 of an inch long. I stop drilled it with
3/32nd plexiglass drill bit and filled the hole with epoxy. 12 years and 800
hours later it still looks like the day I finished it.
Good Luck
Bill Mahoney
Sherman, CT
RV-6 N747W
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| Subject: | insurance questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DANIEL W WATTERS" <danielwatters1@msn.com>
USAA is fine if you are active duty enlisted or a retired or active duty
officer. If you are retired enlisted, like me, you are dog s#@t to USAA. I
have harped on them for years to accept people like me and they won't do it.
Seems to me a poor business practice to be ignoring thousands of military
enlisted veterans.
Dan Watters
RV-9A 90736
A Looonnnngggg Way To Go
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>From: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: "'rv-list@matronics.com'" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: insurance questions
>Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:26:53 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
>
>If you have USAA (for auto/home), I suggest you give them a call. They
>gave
>me a real sweet deal for $60K Hull. Great customer service. They quoted
>and issued a binder over the phone in less than an hour. They were very
>savvy about the RV series.
>Ron.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rv-4mike@cox.net [mailto:rv-4mike@cox.net]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: insurance questions
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: <rv-4mike@cox.net>
>
> A friend and I are about to purchase a flying RV-6A. We are both low time
>private pilots with no RV experience. Would appreciate any info that those
>of you who are flying could provide on your experiences with various
>agents.
>We are looking for liability + hull insurance. Aircraft valued at about
>$60K. Interested in your experiences regarding prices, customer service,
>etc...
>
> I checked the archives but found nothing real recent and assume that the
>market, and thus prices are probably somewhat volatile, so would like
>current info.
>
> I understand that there are are only a couple of underwriters (maybe only
>one?) so once I've asked an agent for a quote I'm locked into that agent
>and
>quote for 60 days. Is this info correct? If so, I would sure like to know
>where the best deal is before asking for a quote.
>
> The current owner has the airplane insured with the VanGuard program.
>
>Mike Wills
>RV-4 (perpetually under construction)
>RV-6A (almost!)
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Yes I've perused the archives, but I'd appreciate the latest and greatest on
what is a good choice on a generic automotive fuel filter with AN-3 or -4 NPT
fittings....
No, not getting into a gascolator vs. filter fight!!!
From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark - -6A, starting to look like an airplane!!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harness and Baggage |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
We're talking about two different kind of shoulder harnesses here. The
aerobatic harness must be fastened low to keep you in the seat when
inverted but the SAFETY harness must not be anchored more than a few
degrees below the shoulders, if it is too low the deceleration in a
sudden stop will cause a down force on your shoulders and possibly cause
spinal damage.
I'll try to find the "official" rules for installation of shoulder
harnesses and post them.
Dave -6 So Cal
EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor
Boyd Braem wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
>Jerry-
>
>This has been a concern of mine because shoulder straps need to be
>anchored to the seat or they need to make a 180 turn from just behind
>the seat. If you fly inverted or do neg G stuff, the standard shoulder
>belt set-up (at least in a -6) is not good. Take a look at how the
>belts are attached to the longerons (angles) behind the the baggage
>bulkhead and duplicate this behind the seat under the baggage floor. I
>would suggest, however, that if you're going to attach the belts behind
>the seat (like mine are) that you strengthen the longeron (because the
>stress is now vertical to the longeron instead of horizontal) with a
>long doubler plate and put the regular attachment bolts/nuts (to the
>floor/fuselage bottom) closer together. And get another set of leg
>belts. And don't pull those straps too loose.
>
>My airplane, the Super 6, has been re-engineered for a high performance
>IO-540 (Van doesn't like to talk about it), but you need to analyze the
>problem (stress analysis) and then do what you need to do.
>
>Boyd.
>
>do not archive
>
>On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 09:46 PM, Jerry Huether wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Huether" <jhuether@comcast.net>
>>
>>Curious if anyone has found a method to install shoulder harnesses
>>without
>>passing them through the baggage area of the RV6 or RV7. I'm
>>interested in
>>allowing for(more)bulky items in the baggage area of this aircraft.
>>
>>What would be the penalty in terms of cost, weight, and build time?
>>
>>Jerry Huether
>>Tualatin, Oregon
>>Planning the Storage Shed
>>to make room for the RV7 (Tip Up)
>>(Preview Plans)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel filters |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
You're lucky--I'd whip your butt if you got a (hot start retarding
device) gascolator. There are several fuel filter brands out
there--look for clear plastic barrel, 120 (?) micron filter (cleanable
and re-useable) and a max fuel flow of about twice what you think your
engine will use.
Jeez, I really miss that "ripsteel" handle.
Love,
Boyd.
On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> Yes I've perused the archives, but I'd appreciate the latest and
> greatest on
> what is a good choice on a generic automotive fuel filter with AN-3 or
> -4 NPT
> fittings....
>
> No, not getting into a gascolator vs. filter fight!!!
>
> From The PossumWorks in TN
> Mark - -6A, starting to look like an airplane!!!!!!
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel filters |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Jeez, what was I thinking, probably the best one out there is from Air
Flow Performance.
On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 09:33 PM, Boyd Braem wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> You're lucky--I'd whip your butt if you got a (hot start retarding
> device) gascolator. There are several fuel filter brands out
> there--look for clear plastic barrel, 120 (?) micron filter (cleanable
> and re-useable) and a max fuel flow of about twice what you think your
> engine will use.
>
> Jeez, I really miss that "ripsteel" handle.
>
> Love,
>
> Boyd.
>
>
> On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>>
>> Yes I've perused the archives, but I'd appreciate the latest and
>> greatest on
>> what is a good choice on a generic automotive fuel filter with AN-3 or
>> -4 NPT
>> fittings....
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Weldon-5 and a syringe will do the trick nicely.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (RV-10 soon)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
Subject: RV-List: Cracked Canopy
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
>
>
> I am looking for advice on what to do with a carked canopy. First off I
> have already drilled a small hole to stop the crack.
> This is the second winter for my RV8a. I flew the plane last week and I
> came back this week and there is the crack. The RV is in an unheated
hangar
> and the temperature got down to 10 degrees the other night. First real
cold
> day of the season, so I am assuming that had something to do with it.
Last
> winter we had periods of cold weather that were colder and for longer
> periods of time.
> The crack starts at the skirt and goes up about 1 1/2 inches.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Dane Sheahen
> RV8a driver
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Airport Database... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
It's available if you are an Anywheremap subscriber.
Karie Daniel
Sammamish, WA
RV-7A QB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: AOPA Airport Database...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Anyone know where you can get the AOPA Airport Database for the iPAQ? I
found it for the Palm...
>
> I recently bought Airport Insight for my iPAQ and it is very nice; has all
the info, and is updated regularly for only $40 a year, but I wanted to see
about the AOPA database...
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill VonDane
> EAA Tech Counselor
> RV-8A ~ N8WV
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Col. West fund address |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Dang, ya ask a question of the whole world and the answer is just next door.
My check is in the mail. KABONG
Do Not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Fund for a brave Lt. Col.
> Allen West Defense Fund
> c/o Angela West
> 6823 Coleman Drive
> Ft. Hood, TX 76544
Does anyone know IF there is a fund to help the Army Lt. Col. who was
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harness and Baggage |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Please correct me if I'm mis-interpreting the note below. It sounds like
you are saying that the shoulder strap should go straight down behind
the seat & attach to the airframe at the floor immediately behind the
seat. That contradicts everything else I've read about shoulder harness
geometry. The reason given to NOT do that is spinal compression when the
'sudden stop' occurs. The instructions I've read indicate that you
should be held in your seat by the lap belt & crotch strap, not the
shoulder straps.
It seems that anchoring to the top of the seat would require that the
seat back be able to handle the 10-20 G's of forward load on the
shoulder belts.
Willing to be educated,
Charlie
Boyd Braem wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
>Jerry-
>
>This has been a concern of mine because shoulder straps need to be
>anchored to the seat or they need to make a 180 turn from just behind
>the seat. If you fly inverted or do neg G stuff, the standard shoulder
>belt set-up (at least in a -6) is not good. Take a look at how the
>belts are attached to the longerons (angles) behind the the baggage
>bulkhead and duplicate this behind the seat under the baggage floor. I
>would suggest, however, that if you're going to attach the belts behind
>the seat (like mine are) that you strengthen the longeron (because the
>stress is now vertical to the longeron instead of horizontal) with a
>long doubler plate and put the regular attachment bolts/nuts (to the
>floor/fuselage bottom) closer together. And get another set of leg
>belts. And don't pull those straps too loose.
>
>My airplane, the Super 6, has been re-engineered for a high performance
>IO-540 (Van doesn't like to talk about it), but you need to analyze the
>problem (stress analysis) and then do what you need to do.
>
>Boyd.
>
>do not archive
>
>On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 09:46 PM, Jerry Huether wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Huether" <jhuether@comcast.net>
>>
>>Curious if anyone has found a method to install shoulder harnesses
>>without
>>passing them through the baggage area of the RV6 or RV7. I'm
>>interested in
>>allowing for(more)bulky items in the baggage area of this aircraft.
>>
>>What would be the penalty in terms of cost, weight, and build time?
>>
>>Jerry Huether
>>Tualatin, Oregon
>>Planning the Storage Shed
>>to make room for the RV7 (Tip Up)
>>(Preview Plans)
>>
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| Subject: | Copper Stock tip.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Lockamy" <jacklockamy@att.net>
To those interested;
My RV-7/9 plans sheet 31A calls for two (2) .063 x 2-7/8" copper strips to be manufactured
by the builder to connect the master contactor and starter contactor
on the firewall. (The copper stock is NOT supplied in the kit.) Rather than
hunt for the stock and purchase a mere 6" of material.....I found a solution.
I took a 2-7/8" piece of 3/8" copper tube I had laying around, put it in my vice,
and squeezed the crap out of it! Came out perfect! 1/2" wide x 2-7/8" long.....
.190 thickness (plans call for 2 pieces of .063 so I am a few thousands
over....).
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
RV-7A QB
N174JL reserved
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