---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/16/03: 56 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (lucky macy) 2. 05:13 AM - Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) (Paul Besing) 3. 05:35 AM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Charles Rowbotham) 4. 05:46 AM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Alex Peterson) 5. 06:47 AM - interior fabric testing (Michael D. Crowe) 6. 06:48 AM - Re: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) (lucky macy) 7. 06:50 AM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Bill VonDane) 8. 06:55 AM - Re: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) (Andy) 9. 06:57 AM - Re: Copper Stock tip.... (chris) 10. 07:12 AM - Re: Fund for a brave Lt. Col. (lm4@juno.com) 11. 07:25 AM - Re: AOPA Airport Database... (Bill VonDane) 12. 08:02 AM - Re: Copper Stock tip.... (Bill Dube) 13. 08:16 AM - Re: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) (Paul Besing) 14. 08:18 AM - Re: interior fabric testing (Cy Galley) 15. 09:55 AM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Ross Mickey) 16. 09:58 AM - LA GA Airports (Doug Weiler) 17. 10:10 AM - Re: Copper Stock tip.... (Elsa & Henry) 18. 10:15 AM - Dec 17. (Brian Denk) 19. 10:17 AM - THE ULTIMATE TFR! (Bill VonDane) 20. 10:36 AM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (RV8ter@aol.com) 21. 11:10 AM - Re: LA GA Airports (Dan Checkoway) 22. 11:18 AM - Re: THE ULTIMATE TFR! (RV_8 Pilot) 23. 11:48 AM - Re: LA GA Airports (Laird Owens) 24. 11:48 AM - Re: Shoulder Harness and Baggage (Boyd Braem) 25. 11:51 AM - Re: Dec 17. (Doug Weiler) 26. 11:56 AM - Re: LA GA Airports (van Bladeren, Ron) 27. 12:48 PM - Jon Johanson (Eustace Bowhay) 28. 12:54 PM - Re: THE ULTIMATE TFR! (Kysh) 29. 01:24 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness and Baggage (linn walters) 30. 01:40 PM - Re: THE ULTIMATE TFR! (Bill VonDane) 31. 01:46 PM - Hawaii (RV4PatA@aol.com) 32. 01:53 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness (Boyd Braem) 33. 01:53 PM - Hawaii (RV4PatA@aol.com) 34. 01:53 PM - Re: Dec 17. (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 35. 04:09 PM - Re: Hawaii (David Burton) 36. 05:19 PM - Re: Fund for a brave Lt. Col. (HCRV6@aol.com) 37. 05:22 PM - Re: Aircraft Loans... (Bill Schlatterer) 38. 05:33 PM - Re: Hawaii (HCRV6@aol.com) 39. 05:35 PM - Re: Jon Johanson (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 40. 05:48 PM - Re: Insurance Questions (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 41. 06:06 PM - Re: Hawaii (David Burton) 42. 06:16 PM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Tracy Crook) 43. 06:30 PM - Re: Dec 17. (rv6tc) 44. 06:47 PM - To Cork or not to Cork? (Darwin N. Barrie) 45. 07:06 PM - Re: Dec 17. (Boyd Braem) 46. 07:54 PM - Re: Dec 17. (Jerry Springer) 47. 07:58 PM - Re: Dec 17. (Larry Pardue) 48. 08:01 PM - Re: Dec 17. (Larry Pardue) 49. 08:09 PM - Re: Dec 17. (Laird Owens) 50. 08:14 PM - Re: Dec 17. (Jerry Springer) 51. 08:15 PM - Re: Dec 17. (Joe Hine) 52. 08:16 PM - Re: Dec 17. (Vic Moore) 53. 08:21 PM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (Patty & Dan Krueger) 54. 11:05 PM - Re: Hawaii (Karie Daniel) 55. 11:50 PM - Digital compass (j1j2h3@juno.com) 56. 11:50 PM - Drill bit source (j1j2h3@juno.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:57 AM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" Thanks Sam. Just what I was looking for. Now my new question of the day. Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky Mountain Engine monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? I don't want to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these systems without a clear winner coming up. At first glance the RMI doesn't show all 4 cylinders at once for leaning purposes, right? The Grand Rapid seems to require too much pilot interaction to get to the page you want and to read the tiny bar graphs. The IK-2000 goes the other way to me. Uses too much panel space for the 8 and paying for backup instruments I don't want from that system... lucky >From: Sam Buchanan >Reply-To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com >To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [VAF Mailing List] labels >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:15:00 -0600 > >lucky macy wrote: > > > Doug, > > Do you have a link to a discussion on labeling panels? Labeling sounds > > trivial but as I start to look into label makers I see a wide range in >price > > and types. Is there a *best* type of label for our purposes? A >recommended > > font type or size? Any technique that works better than others for >ensuring > > the labels stay on past the first month? etc. > > >I'm not Doug but here is one option: > >http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/panel2.html > >Scroll down to the bottom of the page. These labels still look >good-as-new after four years and 525 flight hrs. Matter of fact, I have >"No Step" on the flaps and they still look great after being on the >exterior of the plane. > >Sam Buchanan >http://thervjournal.com > >=================== > > Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:02 AM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: RV-List: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" Delete now if not interested. Only partially RV related. Do not archive. Due to an inquiry back in August about flying with Night Vsion, I thought I would post an update regarding flying with night vision. I have recently completed night training and have the following observations after flying 20 hours of goggles using Generation III goggles. Myth #1. When you take your goggles off, you don't have any night vision/adaptation since you are looking at TV screens. False. The spectrum of light that night vision goggles use does not bleach out the rodobson on your eyes, which is what you need for seeing at night. Time to readapt is 2-3 minutes. Not a big deal. We did it all the time. Myth #2. Depth perception is lost. Not entirely. It just takes some getting used to. If you have the monocular goggles (one eyepiece) then yes, it stinks. If you can sport the dual monocular device, (notice I didn't say binocular, as they don't magnify) then depth perception is improved, yet still limited. At the altitudes we fly at in RV's, especially at night, this wouldn't be an issue, unless of course you are flying too close to mountains or other obstructions. My observations using Type IV Generation III ANVIS goggles, which is the standard in military night vision for pilots, is that without moonlight, they don't work very well. Even at 1000' AGL, you can't see much detail. You can tell where the trees and mountains might be, but don't expect to navigate or clearly identify your position using a map. Granted, just about all of us use GPS now, so that's probably not a valid point. When the moon is out, depending on how much illumination you have, it lights everything up like day. It's very useful. Also, monitoring instruments with anything other than ANVIS goggles (i.e. the full faced surplus ones that fit your face like a mask) would be very distracting. The focus would have to be changed by one monacle, or you would have to take them off. With the helmet mounted ANVIS that I used, you just peek underneath them to see. Anyone trying to use the AN/PVS-5 type military issue goggles would have a hard time. I know they used to use them, but there is a reason why they went with the goggles that stand off your face, so you can see your instruments without having to re focus. The type you get at Walmart, Harbor Freight, Sporting good stores, etc, are usually type I or type II, made on Russian technology. The fact is, you can't get aircraft worthy night vision goggles for $299. You just don't have the intensification required to see from altitude. My observation is this. Unless you wear a flight helmet that you can clip on your ANVIS goggles, I wouldn't bother. Also, you need about $5000 (or more) to get these types of goggles. Even if you went with the AN/PVS-5's that you can get pretty easily, they are about $2000 for the Gen II version, and $4000 for the Gen III version. Follow typical night flying techniques, have plenty of altitude, install an attitude indicator at mininum in your aircraft, and go without night vision goggles until the prices are lower and they are more readily available. I sure would hate to see an accident due to the fact that someone was depending on their old night vision goggles to fly with. Now, if you had some else flying, and brought the cheaper ones along as a novelty, then go right ahead. Otherwise, I suspect you would be safer flying un aided night flights. As far as pleasure is concerned, I find that flying with goggles is less pleasurable, and is more work, due to the constant scan you have to maintain, as well as being uncomfortable. I say fly the good old fashioned way. It's been working for 100 years now! Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (RV-10 Soon) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:58 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Hi Lucky, We have the RMI Monitor and encoder. Both were easy to build and the support from RMI was great. (e.g. when I finished the encoder it would completely run thru it's state-up routine. I call RMI and they asked me to send it to them, which I did. I had it back in 5 days. They said I had forgot to trim off three leads - which they did plus calibrated the unit for me - No Charge). Regarding the ability to see all four cyl at the same time - true. But we bought their four position switch and it's very high quality. You quickly find out which cyl peaks first and thats where I generally have it positioned. Then you simply cyclic through all cyls every so often. We also have the audio alarm output wired directly to the pilot's headset jack, so if we get an alarm (have set both high and low alarm values) we get an audible alarm in addition to the visual alarm. The RMI is not the most sofisicated system but it's simple (we have EGT and CHT for all cyl on the monitor) and it's been 100% reliable and is very cost effective. Will use both the MOnitor and encoder in our next RV. Hope this helps and happy Holidays - Fly Safe, Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "lucky macy" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:10:49 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" > >Thanks Sam. Just what I was looking for. > >Now my new question of the day. > >Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky Mountain Engine >monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? I don't want >to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these systems without >a clear winner coming up. > >At first glance the RMI doesn't show all 4 cylinders at once for leaning >purposes, right? The Grand Rapid seems to require too much pilot >interaction to get to the page you want and to read the tiny bar graphs. >The IK-2000 goes the other way to me. Uses too much panel space for the 8 >and paying for backup instruments I don't want from that system... > >lucky > > > >From: Sam Buchanan > >Reply-To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com > >To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [VAF Mailing List] labels > >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:15:00 -0600 > > > >lucky macy wrote: > > > > > Doug, > > > Do you have a link to a discussion on labeling panels? Labeling >sounds > > > trivial but as I start to look into label makers I see a wide range in > >price > > > and types. Is there a *best* type of label for our purposes? A > >recommended > > > font type or size? Any technique that works better than others for > >ensuring > > > the labels stay on past the first month? etc. > > > > > >I'm not Doug but here is one option: > > > >http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/panel2.html > > > >Scroll down to the bottom of the page. These labels still look > >good-as-new after four years and 525 flight hrs. Matter of fact, I have > >"No Step" on the flaps and they still look great after being on the > >exterior of the plane. > > > >Sam Buchanan > >http://thervjournal.com > > > >=================== > > > > > >Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at >MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com > > Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:04 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky > Mountain Engine > monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? > I don't want > to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these > systems without > a clear winner coming up. > > At first glance the RMI doesn't show all 4 cylinders at once > for leaning > purposes, right? The Grand Rapid seems to require too much pilot > interaction to get to the page you want and to read the tiny > bar graphs. > The IK-2000 goes the other way to me. Uses too much panel > space for the 8 > and paying for backup instruments I don't want from that system... > I have the RMI, and I really like everything about it EXCEPT only one CHT/EGT. I would probably pay up next time and get something showing all four. If one is chugging along, and a valve starts to go, a four channel EGT would notify you immediately. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 423 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:21 AM PST US From: "Michael D. Crowe" Subject: RV-List: interior fabric testing --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D. Crowe" All, Does anyone know of a shop that can test and certify fabric to be used in a certified aircraft? Mike Crowe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:24 AM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: RE: RV-List: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" Thanks for the report. Yep, ANVIS any generation actually suck to use routinely. RAH-66's (Comanche's) NVPS with cutting edge FLIR with the new digital HIDSS ROCKS! You can see individual leaves on trees, the powerlines from far away, etc. And you aren't using that one-eyed crap the Apache guys put up with... Rotory guys are never going to want to fly anything else once they get a taste of Comanche. lucky do not archive >From: "Paul Besing" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:12:27 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > >Delete now if not interested. Only partially RV related. Do not archive. > >Due to an inquiry back in August about flying with Night Vsion, I thought I >would post an update regarding flying with night vision. I have recently >completed night training and have the following observations after flying >20 hours of goggles using Generation III goggles. > >Myth #1. When you take your goggles off, you don't have any night >vision/adaptation since you are looking at TV screens. >False. The spectrum of light that night vision goggles use does not bleach >out the rodobson on your eyes, which is what you need for seeing at night. >Time to readapt is 2-3 minutes. Not a big deal. We did it all the time. > >Myth #2. Depth perception is lost. Not entirely. It just takes some >getting used to. If you have the monocular goggles (one eyepiece) then >yes, it stinks. If you can sport the dual monocular device, (notice I >didn't say binocular, as they don't magnify) then depth perception is >improved, yet still limited. At the altitudes we fly at in RV's, >especially at night, this wouldn't be an issue, unless of course you are >flying too close to mountains or other obstructions. > >My observations using Type IV Generation III ANVIS goggles, which is the >standard in military night vision for pilots, is that without moonlight, >they don't work very well. Even at 1000' AGL, you can't see much detail. >You can tell where the trees and mountains might be, but don't expect to >navigate or clearly identify your position using a map. Granted, just >about all of us use GPS now, so that's probably not a valid point. > >When the moon is out, depending on how much illumination you have, it >lights everything up like day. It's very useful. > >Also, monitoring instruments with anything other than ANVIS goggles (i.e. >the full faced surplus ones that fit your face like a mask) would be very >distracting. The focus would have to be changed by one monacle, or you >would have to take them off. With the helmet mounted ANVIS that I used, >you just peek underneath them to see. Anyone trying to use the AN/PVS-5 >type military issue goggles would have a hard time. I know they used to >use them, but there is a reason why they went with the goggles that stand >off your face, so you can see your instruments without having to re focus. > >The type you get at Walmart, Harbor Freight, Sporting good stores, etc, are >usually type I or type II, made on Russian technology. The fact is, you >can't get aircraft worthy night vision goggles for $299. You just don't >have the intensification required to see from altitude. > >My observation is this. Unless you wear a flight helmet that you can clip >on your ANVIS goggles, I wouldn't bother. Also, you need about $5000 (or >more) to get these types of goggles. Even if you went with the AN/PVS-5's >that you can get pretty easily, they are about $2000 for the Gen II >version, and $4000 for the Gen III version. Follow typical night flying >techniques, have plenty of altitude, install an attitude indicator at >mininum in your aircraft, and go without night vision goggles until the >prices are lower and they are more readily available. I sure would hate to >see an accident due to the fact that someone was depending on their old >night vision goggles to fly with. Now, if you had some else flying, and >brought the cheaper ones along as a novelty, then go right ahead. >Otherwise, I suspect you would be safer flying un aided night flights. > >As far as pleasure is concerned, I find that flying with goggles is less >pleasurable, and is more work, due to the constant scan you have to >maintain, as well as being uncomfortable. I say fly the good old fashioned >way. It's been working for 100 years now! > >Paul Besing >RV-6A Sold (RV-10 Soon) >http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing >Kitlog Builder's Log Software >http://www.kitlog.com > > Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:55 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane That's the beauty of the EIS... Monitor all 4 for less $ than the RMI... I have one in my -8A and love it... Would definitely use one again... -Bill VonDane EAA Tech Counselor RV-8A ~ N8WV www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? I have the RMI, and I really like everything about it EXCEPT only one CHT/EGT. I would probably pay up next time and get something showing all four. If one is chugging along, and a valve starts to go, a four channel EGT would notify you immediately. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 423 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:13 AM PST US From: "Andy" Subject: Re: RV-List: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy" Paul, The value I see in night vision goggles (no pun intended) is as an emergency device in the event of a night time power failure. The fan quits at night over rural area. It is too dark to discerne a suitable landing area. So you reach into a compartment, pull out the goggles, and bingo - you have a reasonable ability to select a landing site with at least the confidence of being able to walk away. From 3-4000' altitude, I'd want to be able to distinguish mountains from valleys, open fields, wooded areas, ponds and rivers, dirt roads, unlit buildings, and other major obstructions. As I got lower, I'd want to see powerlines, fences, train tracks, ground slope, large berms, and perhaps some clues to ground texture - (for example the direction of the furrows on a plowed field) I'd also need to be able to see some instruments, at least airspeed or an AOA. From your experience, (even at the $5,000 level) is this yet a reasonable expectation? Andy ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:33 AM PST US From: chris <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Copper Stock tip.... --> RV-List message posted by: chris <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Jack Lockamy wrote: > My RV-7/9 plans sheet 31A calls for two (2) .063 x 2-7/8" copper strips to be manufactured by the builder to connect the master contactor and starter contactor on the firewall. (The copper stock is NOT supplied in the kit.) Rather than hunt for the stock and purchase a mere 6" of material.....I found a solution. > > I took a 2-7/8" piece of 3/8" copper tube I had laying around, put it in my vice, and squeezed the crap out of it! Came out perfect! 1/2" wide x 2-7/8" long..... .190 thickness (plans call for 2 pieces of .063 so I am a few thousands over....). When I saw your subject, I thought a spammer got on the list some how and was going to try to get us to buy stock in some copper company :) do not archive -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 N35 20.492' W97 34.342' "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Fund for a brave Lt. Col. From: lm4@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com KABONG, When you get this thing put together; put me down for ten. Larry Mac Donald Rochester N.Y. do not archive On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:39:11 -0800 "JOHN STARN" writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > > Does anyone know IF there is a fund to help the Army Lt. Col. who > was fined > $5,000.00 in his Article 15 for shooting off a round (or two) close > to a > terrorist in order to get him to tell about an ambush. This action > saved > American lives BUT they still fined the Lt. Col. as part of his > punishment. > I've got a small Christmas present ($$$) for him IF you know IF and > WHERE > there is such a fund OR if we have a banker in the group, how do we > set one > up. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive. > > > > _-> = > = > = > = > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:01 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Re: AOPA Airport Database... vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Oh yeah, I forgot the link to the Airport Insight software I bought, it's pretty cool! http://www.notamd.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill VonDane Subject: AOPA Airport Database... Anyone know where you can get the AOPA Airport Database for the iPAQ? I found it for the Palm... I recently bought Airport Insight for my iPAQ and it is very nice; has all the info, and is updated regularly for only $40 a year, but I wanted to see about the AOPA database... Thanks! -Bill VonDane EAA Tech Counselor RV-8A ~ N8WV www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:27 AM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: Re: RV-List: Copper Stock tip.... --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube At 10:07 PM 12/15/2003 -0800, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Lockamy" > >To those interested; > >My RV-7/9 plans sheet 31A calls for two (2) .063 x 2-7/8" copper strips to >be manufactured by the builder to connect the master contactor and starter >contactor on the firewall. (The copper stock is NOT supplied in the >kit.) Rather than hunt for the stock and purchase a mere 6" of >material.....I found a solution. Here are a couple of pictures of the style of connection that some of the top EV drag racing folks use: http://68.111.220.234:81/ghiamonster/images/batteryconnectors.jpg and http://www.killacycle.com/kcclose2.jpg In EV drag racing, you are striving for light weight, maximum conductivity per pound, reliability, vibration immunity, and reasonable cost. This is exactly what you are looking for on an airplane. These straps are made with 3/4" or 1" copper braid and short sections of 1/2 inch (trade size) copper pipe. You use multiple layers of braid to create "thicker" conductors as needed. To handle 500 amps or so, you would use about three layers of 3/4" braid. You insert the braid into the short sections of copper pipe and then pound the pipe flat with a hammer or a hydraulic press. You then make a hole in the flattened pipe to form a "terminal". If you have the tool available, it is best to punch this hole using a sheet metal punch, instead of drilling it. While drilling works, punching the hole helps to bind the wire strands to the terminal a bit better. The main advantage of this style of strap is its flexibility. It puts no stress on the connections and allows movement and vibration without loosening the connections. The flattened pipe terminals have some "spring" and thus keep tension on the contacts even if the bolts are not fully tightened or have loosened slightly over time. I've routinely pushed over 1100 amps through the straps on the bike. I have occasionally pushed up to 1400 amps through them when setting records. These are made with three layers of 3/4" braid. I have never had a problem or a failure with these style straps on the bike. Conversely, I had nothing but troubles with other connection methods. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:16 AM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" Hey now...I am an Apache guy...well not yet, I will be in March, so I have to look forward to the one eye crap. We'll see how well I do with that.. Unfortunately, I won't be a Comanche guy. Too old probably, and not to mention, I'm sure the National Guard won't have them in my lifetime. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (RV-10 Soon) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucky macy" Subject: RE: RV-List: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) > --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" > > Thanks for the report. Yep, ANVIS any generation actually suck to use > routinely. RAH-66's (Comanche's) NVPS with cutting edge FLIR with the new > digital HIDSS ROCKS! You can see individual leaves on trees, the powerlines > from far away, etc. And you aren't using that one-eyed crap the Apache guys > put up with... > > Rotory guys are never going to want to fly anything else once they get a > taste of Comanche. > > lucky > do not archive > > >From: "Paul Besing" > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV-List: Night Vision Goggle Observations (Long) > >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:12:27 -0600 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > > > >Delete now if not interested. Only partially RV related. Do not archive. > > > >Due to an inquiry back in August about flying with Night Vsion, I thought I > >would post an update regarding flying with night vision. I have recently > >completed night training and have the following observations after flying > >20 hours of goggles using Generation III goggles. > > > >Myth #1. When you take your goggles off, you don't have any night > >vision/adaptation since you are looking at TV screens. > >False. The spectrum of light that night vision goggles use does not bleach > >out the rodobson on your eyes, which is what you need for seeing at night. > >Time to readapt is 2-3 minutes. Not a big deal. We did it all the time. > > > >Myth #2. Depth perception is lost. Not entirely. It just takes some > >getting used to. If you have the monocular goggles (one eyepiece) then > >yes, it stinks. If you can sport the dual monocular device, (notice I > >didn't say binocular, as they don't magnify) then depth perception is > >improved, yet still limited. At the altitudes we fly at in RV's, > >especially at night, this wouldn't be an issue, unless of course you are > >flying too close to mountains or other obstructions. > > > >My observations using Type IV Generation III ANVIS goggles, which is the > >standard in military night vision for pilots, is that without moonlight, > >they don't work very well. Even at 1000' AGL, you can't see much detail. > >You can tell where the trees and mountains might be, but don't expect to > >navigate or clearly identify your position using a map. Granted, just > >about all of us use GPS now, so that's probably not a valid point. > > > >When the moon is out, depending on how much illumination you have, it > >lights everything up like day. It's very useful. > > > >Also, monitoring instruments with anything other than ANVIS goggles (i.e. > >the full faced surplus ones that fit your face like a mask) would be very > >distracting. The focus would have to be changed by one monacle, or you > >would have to take them off. With the helmet mounted ANVIS that I used, > >you just peek underneath them to see. Anyone trying to use the AN/PVS-5 > >type military issue goggles would have a hard time. I know they used to > >use them, but there is a reason why they went with the goggles that stand > >off your face, so you can see your instruments without having to re focus. > > > >The type you get at Walmart, Harbor Freight, Sporting good stores, etc, are > >usually type I or type II, made on Russian technology. The fact is, you > >can't get aircraft worthy night vision goggles for $299. You just don't > >have the intensification required to see from altitude. > > > >My observation is this. Unless you wear a flight helmet that you can clip > >on your ANVIS goggles, I wouldn't bother. Also, you need about $5000 (or > >more) to get these types of goggles. Even if you went with the AN/PVS-5's > >that you can get pretty easily, they are about $2000 for the Gen II > >version, and $4000 for the Gen III version. Follow typical night flying > >techniques, have plenty of altitude, install an attitude indicator at > >mininum in your aircraft, and go without night vision goggles until the > >prices are lower and they are more readily available. I sure would hate to > >see an accident due to the fact that someone was depending on their old > >night vision goggles to fly with. Now, if you had some else flying, and > >brought the cheaper ones along as a novelty, then go right ahead. > >Otherwise, I suspect you would be safer flying un aided night flights. > > > >As far as pleasure is concerned, I find that flying with goggles is less > >pleasurable, and is more work, due to the constant scan you have to > >maintain, as well as being uncomfortable. I say fly the good old fashioned > >way. It's been working for 100 years now! > > > >Paul Besing > >RV-6A Sold (RV-10 Soon) > >http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing > >Kitlog Builder's Log Software > >http://www.kitlog.com > > > > > > Get holiday tips for festive fun. > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:39 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: interior fabric testing --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" I believe that most aviation interior shops do this in house as it is a rather simple flame test. Apply flame until the fabric flames, remove flame and flame must auto-extinguish in a certain time frame. You will find the procedure at... APPENDIX F TO PART 23 - TEST PROCEDURE Acceptable test procedure for self-extinguishing materials for showing compliance with 23.853, 23.855 and 23.1359. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Crowe" Subject: RV-List: interior fabric testing > --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D. Crowe" > > All, > > Does anyone know of a shop that can test and certify fabric to be used in > a certified aircraft? > > Mike Crowe > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:41 AM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky Mountain Engine > monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? I don't want > to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these systems without > a clear winner coming up. I went witht e GRT based on value/features. One thing you need to determine is how involved you want to be in monitoring your engine systems. Steam gauges show you everything at once and require you to scan them on a regular basis to determine if anything is out-of-whack. Large display solid state units let you scan everything at a glace and add the warning feature. I decided early on that I wanted the engine monitor to do the scaning for me and warn me when something is amiss and I wanted to minimize panel space. The GRT 4000 fits the bill. It automatically goes to the appropriate page when something is out of range. The customizable first two pages allow you to pick those items you are most interested in seeing right away. My home page shows rpm/MP, oil temp and pressure, fuel flow, fuel pressure and highest EGT. I have a switch on my Infinity grip that forwards and reverses the pages on the monitor. These two features, customizable pages and stick controlled paging, make the unit extremely efficient to meet my needs. Ross Mickey RV6A N9PT 18 hours and counting ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:34 AM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: RV-List: LA GA Airports --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" Greetings all: Weather permitting (big if!!), my wife and I are planning to fly my RV-4 to the LA area around Jan 1st. Our final destination will be around the Carson, CA area. A couple days later the plan is to fly down to San Diego for a couple days and then back home via Tucson. Can anyone recommend a GA airport in this local LA area? I have been in to LAX a zillion times, but I don't think it's a real good RV airport!!! Thanks Doug Weiler Hudson, WI ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:24 AM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Copper Stock tip.... --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" >I took a 2-7/8" piece of 3/8" copper tube I had laying around, put it in my vice, and squeezed the crap out of >it! Came out perfect! 1/2" wide x 2-7/8" long..... .190 thickness (plans call for 2 pieces of .063 so I am a few >thousands over....). I did all my firewall forward and wiring stuff, on my -6A, a few years ago when a F-F kit was probably a gleam in Van's eye. I mounted my master and starter solenoids side-by-side on the on a bracket just above the battery box. I too, decided to connect the master to starter solenoids using a copper strap wide enough to be able to be drilled to fit the solenoid's contact studs. I took a piece of 1/2" copper water pipe, sawed it down the center on my band-saw, pounded the two pieces flat and after edge clean-up put them together and shaped them into a semi-circle to fit to the solenoid's studs. Prior to final installation, I fitted two layers of shrink-tubing on the straps. Makes an easy installation and has more copper cross-section than a #2 wire. You all, may be interested in an event that happened on my 1972 Mercury station wagon: I went to start it one day and got no response other than an unusual sounding "click"! Investigation revealed that the starter solenoid (which was mounted on the right-front fender well housing) was not contacting from the battery to the starter. So I took it apart and found that the circular contact disc had come away from the solenoid plunger (broken rivet) and had jammed between the battery terminal and the case of the solenoid. Now, if that had been a metal case instead of plastic, I would have had a hellova fire to contend with! So when I bought Van's solenoids, I was pleased to see that the starter one was plastic cased, (in fact just like my Ford one), BUT-- I was not happy to see the Master solenoid was all metal! Thinking what would happen if the same scenario happened on this solenoid as what happened on the Ford one, I mounted it on a piece of fiberglass PC board material and insulating washers on the mounting screws, effectively insulating the case from the airframe.---Just a precaution! BTW, In an early RVator, the late Bill Benedict had a great tip, especially good for acro drivers that pull a lot of positive G's: Mount the starter solenoid upside down, so that the solenoid actuating mass does not get deflected by the +G's to the point it may engage the starter! Not a happy occurrence! (maybe this is covered in the newer kit plans?--Dunno) Cheers!!----Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:59 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" Go fly tomorrow! Whether you subscribe to the Wrights being truly the first to fly a powered, controlled flight or not, it was a magical day indeed. Get out and burn some avgas folks. I understand the EAA website will have a "post your flight" log of some sort to note your flight. I'm heading over to Falcon Field (Mesa, Az) to visit my dad and celebrate the day...as well as his birthday! I plan to be RV grinnin' at 0835 local. Here's to you, Orv and Wil. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD Albuquerque, NM Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:32 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: THE ULTIMATE TFR! --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane http://checkoway.com/url/?s=3eb4fea3 do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:32 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com Thanks Mickey. I didn't know the page was traversable via grip switch. How difficult is it to tailor the info on each page and the actual pages you wantto see? How does the leaning function actually work in practice? thx, lucky In a message dated 12/16/2003 1:13:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, rmickey@ix.netcom.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky Mountain Engine > monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? I don't want > to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these systems without > a clear winner coming up. I went witht e GRT based on value/features. One thing you need to determine is how involved you want to be in monitoring your engine systems. Steam gauges show you everything at once and require you to scan them on a regular basis to determine if anything is out-of-whack. Large display solid state units let you scan everything at a glace and add the warning feature. I decided early on that I wanted the engine monitor to do the scaning for me and warn me when something is amiss and I wanted to minimize panel space. The GRT 4000 fits the bill. It automatically goes to the appropriate page when something is out of range. The customizable first two pages allow you to pick those items you are most interested in seeing right away. My home page shows rpm/MP, oil temp and pressure, fuel flow, fuel pressure and highest EGT. I have a switch on my Infinity grip that forwards and reverses the pages on the monitor. These two features, customizable pages and stick controlled paging, make the unit extremely efficient to meet my needs. Ross Mickey RV6A N9PT 18 hours and counting ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:23 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: LA GA Airports --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Compton, Hawthorne, Torrance, and Long Beach are the closest GA-friendly airports around Carson. I only know of a few RVs at those airports, though. Chino (CNO) and Cable (CCB) are the best airports in the area for RVs. There are tons of RVs there, but it's a much longer drive to Carson...so it depends on what your intent is, I guess. I'm sure if you drop by either of those airports on 1/1 there will be some RVs out and about. If you get over to Chino, let me know! do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: RV-List: LA GA Airports > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" > > Greetings all: > > Weather permitting (big if!!), my wife and I are planning to fly my RV-4 to > the LA area around Jan 1st. Our final destination will be around the > Carson, CA area. A couple days later the plan is to fly down to San Diego > for a couple days and then back home via Tucson. > > Can anyone recommend a GA airport in this local LA area? I have been in to > LAX a zillion times, but I don't think it's a real good RV airport!!! > > Thanks > > Doug Weiler > Hudson, WI > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:10 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RE: RV-List: THE ULTIMATE TFR! FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Ironic to all but the gub'ment folks who see success in their jobs when GA doesn't fly. Ever wonder why "W" doesn't just stay in the White House since things are so dangerous out here?! Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas do not archive >http://checkoway.com/url/?s=3eb4fea3 > >do not archive Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:39 AM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: LA GA Airports --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Hi Doug, TOA (Zamperini Field, or Torrance, as it used to be called) is very close to Carson, and is GA friendly. It's just South of LAX and you can get in from the East without getting into LAX's class B. It's pretty complex airspace, so a little preplanning and a VFR terminal chart is highly recommended. You might stop at Chino (CNO) for some site seeing at the Planes of Fame museum, if you have the time. I can put you in touch with an RV-8 pilot who flies out of TOA if you want to talk to a local. Feel free to email me personally if you need more info. Laird RV-6 Whiteman (near Burbank) SoCal owens@aerovironment.com >--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" > >Greetings all: > >Weather permitting (big if!!), my wife and I are planning to fly my RV-4 to >the LA area around Jan 1st. Our final destination will be around the >Carson, CA area. A couple days later the plan is to fly down to San Diego >for a couple days and then back home via Tucson. > >Can anyone recommend a GA airport in this local LA area? I have been in to >LAX a zillion times, but I don't think it's a real good RV airport!!! > >Thanks > >Doug Weiler >Hudson, WI > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Shoulder Harness and Baggage From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Charlie-- I respect you opinions. But try it in real life--see if the leg/crotch straps will really hold you when you get negative. I know about the "spinal compression" theory--I used to ride Martin-Bakers when I wasn't staying at a Holiday Inn Express. And, please realize that I'm specifically talking about 'planes that are going to go negative a lot--not your everyday cross-country bus. I guess I didn't make that clear. I think it was Stein Bruch that posted a note how he was "sliding" up (down?) the seat when negative. Thanks for responding--every one learns from a good discussion (Socrates--or, at least, he should have said it). Boyd. On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 10:39 PM, Charlie & Tupper England wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England > > > Please correct me if I'm mis-interpreting the note below. It sounds > like > you are saying that the shoulder strap should go straight down behind > the seat & attach to the airframe at the floor immediately behind the > seat. That contradicts everything else I've read about shoulder harness > geometry. The reason given to NOT do that is spinal compression when > the > 'sudden stop' occurs. The instructions I've read indicate that you > should be held in your seat by the lap belt & crotch strap, not the > shoulder straps. > > It seems that anchoring to the top of the seat would require that the > seat back be able to handle the 10-20 G's of forward load on the > shoulder belts. > > Willing to be educated, > > Charlie > > > Boyd Braem wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem >> >> Jerry- >> >> This has been a concern of mine because shoulder straps need to be >> anchored to the seat or they need to make a 180 turn from just behind >> the seat. If you fly inverted or do neg G stuff, the standard >> shoulder >> belt set-up (at least in a -6) is not good. Take a look at how the >> belts are attached to the longerons (angles) behind the the baggage >> bulkhead and duplicate this behind the seat under the baggage floor. >> I >> would suggest, however, that if you're going to attach the belts >> behind >> the seat (like mine are) that you strengthen the longeron (because the >> stress is now vertical to the longeron instead of horizontal) with a >> long doubler plate and put the regular attachment bolts/nuts (to the >> floor/fuselage bottom) closer together. And get another set of leg >> belts. And don't pull those straps too loose. >> >> My airplane, the Super 6, has been re-engineered for a high >> performance >> IO-540 (Van doesn't like to talk about it), but you need to analyze >> the >> problem (stress analysis) and then do what you need to do. >> >> Boyd. >> >> do not archive >> >> On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 09:46 PM, Jerry Huether wrote: >> >> >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Huether" >>> >>> Curious if anyone has found a method to install shoulder harnesses >>> without >>> passing them through the baggage area of the RV6 or RV7. I'm >>> interested in >>> allowing for(more)bulky items in the baggage area of this aircraft. >>> >>> What would be the penalty in terms of cost, weight, and build time? >>> >>> Jerry Huether >>> Tualatin, Oregon >>> Planning the Storage Shed >>> to make room for the RV7 (Tip Up) >>> (Preview Plans) >>> ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:31 AM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" > > Go fly tomorrow! Whether you subscribe to the Wrights being truly the first > to fly a powered, controlled flight or not, it was a magical day indeed. > > Get out and burn some avgas folks. I understand the EAA website will have a > "post your flight" log of some sort to note your flight. I'm heading over > to Falcon Field (Mesa, Az) to visit my dad and celebrate the day...as well > as his birthday! I plan to be RV grinnin' at 0835 local. > > Here's to you, Orv and Wil. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > Albuquerque, NM Great suggestion Brian. I'll be holding down the right seat of a NWA 757 from Portland to Minneapolis at the appointed hour tomorrow instead of celebrating in my -4. But I'll toast their memory and the future of aviation with an extra bag of pretzels. Doug Weiler Hudson, WI ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:30 AM PST US From: "van Bladeren, Ron" Subject: RE: RV-List: LA GA Airports --> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" I would suggest Fullerton Airport. It's close to Disneyland and Knots, and pretty easy to get in and out of and they love GA (especially RV's!). http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/airport/ Ron. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Weiler [mailto:dougweil@pressenter.com] Subject: RV-List: LA GA Airports --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" Greetings all: Weather permitting (big if!!), my wife and I are planning to fly my RV-4 to the LA area around Jan 1st. Our final destination will be around the Carson, CA area. A couple days later the plan is to fly down to San Diego for a couple days and then back home via Tucson. Can anyone recommend a GA airport in this local LA area? I have been in to LAX a zillion times, but I don't think it's a real good RV airport!!! Thanks Doug Weiler Hudson, WI ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:18 PM PST US From: "Eustace Bowhay" Subject: RV-List: Jon Johanson --> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" Jon is safely back in Australia. Eustace Bowhay ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:12 PM PST US From: Kysh Subject: Re: RV-List: THE ULTIMATE TFR! --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh As Bill VonDane was saying: > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > > http://checkoway.com/url/?s=3eb4fea3 Will that preclude the Flyer from flying? :> Do not archive -Kysh -- | 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying | | CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr | | 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang | | Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ | | KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham | | Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ | ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:58 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Shoulder Harness and Baggage --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Boyd Braem wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem > >Charlie-- > >I respect you opinions. > >But try it in real life--see if the leg/crotch straps will really hold >you when you get negative. I know about the "spinal compression" >theory--I used to ride Martin-Bakers when I wasn't staying at a Holiday >Inn Express. > >And, please realize that I'm specifically talking about 'planes that >are going to go negative a lot--not your everyday cross-country bus. I >guess I didn't make that clear. > >I think it was Stein Bruch that posted a note how he was "sliding" up >(down?) the seat when negative. > >Thanks for responding--every one learns from a good discussion >(Socrates--or, at least, he should have said it). > >Boyd. > > If you're partial to outside aerobatics, a 5-point harness with the shoulder belts attach point above the shoulder line should be just right. HOWEVER, proper location of the crotch and lap belts is crucial to prevent the 'sliding' problem. Properly oriented, the lap belt attach point should be reasonable centered below the hip line ..... about 1/2 your butt width. Most folks that have the sliding part have the lap belt across the legs which will allow the torso to move up during outside maneuvers. If the belt goes back about 45 degrees from your lap, that should be perfect. The crotch strap and the shoulder harness will keep the buckle from moving and stabilize things further. As was already pointed out, and has been known by car racers for a long time, you do not want the belts to come down behind the shoulders .... because of the spinal compression possibility. I met two individuals that went into the trees in a Bonanza on takeoff. Deceleration was enough, and the body bent enough, to push in the instrument panels. The shoulder belts were anchored down low (and stayed anchored), and although they survived the accident, they will never walk or bend the same. There are also ratcheting belts out there that the pro's use (I ain't one of them) to keep themselves in place. The only problem with a 5-point harness as described is that the upper body can slide from side to side, and some wild aerobatics can bang you from one side of the cockpit to the other! I get bruised sometimes, but it's worth it for that wild ride!!! Linn .... and the Pitts Do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:49 PM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: RV-List: THE ULTIMATE TFR! --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane No... http://www.aopa.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kysh" Subject: Re: RV-List: THE ULTIMATE TFR! --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh As Bill VonDane was saying: > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > > http://checkoway.com/url/?s=3eb4fea3 Will that preclude the Flyer from flying? :> Do not archive -Kysh ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:31 PM PST US From: RV4PatA@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Hawaii --> RV-List message posted by: RV4PatA@aol.com Anyone know a good place to rent a cessna on Oahu? Pat Allender RV-4 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Shoulder Harness From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem After researching and studying the problem--the shoulder belts should NOT go 180 over your shoulders--they should just stop you (your upper body) from going forward. Like I have said, my mind is a terrible thing. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused. Boyd. On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, at 04:26 PM, linn walters wrote: > If you're partial to outside aerobatics, a 5-point harness with the > shoulder belts attach point above the shoulder line should be just > right. HOWEVER, proper location of the crotch and lap belts is crucial > to prevent the 'sliding' problem. Properly oriented, the lap belt > attach point should be reasonable centered below the hip line ..... > about 1/2 your butt width. Most folks that have the sliding part have > the lap belt across the legs which will allow the torso to move up > during outside maneuvers. If the belt goes back about 45 degrees from > your lap, that should be perfect. The crotch strap and the shoulder > harness will keep the buckle from moving and stabilize things further. > As was already pointed out, and has been known by car racers for a long > time, you do not want the belts to come down behind the shoulders .... > because of the spinal compression possibility. I met two individuals > that went into the trees in a Bonanza on takeoff. Deceleration was > enough, and the body bent enough, to push in the instrument panels. > The > shoulder belts were anchored down low (and stayed anchored), and > although they survived the accident, they will never walk or bend the > same. > There are also ratcheting belts out there that the pro's use (I ain't > one of them) to keep themselves in place. The only problem with a > 5-point harness as described is that the upper body can slide from side > to side, and some wild aerobatics can bang you from one side of the > cockpit to the other! I get bruised sometimes, but it's worth it for > that wild ride!!! > Linn .... and the Pitts > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:09 PM PST US From: RV4PatA@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Hawaii --> RV-List message posted by: RV4PatA@aol.com Anyone know a good place to rent a cessna on Oahu? do not archive Pat Allender RV-4 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:10 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Brian Denk wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > Go fly tomorrow! Whether you subscribe to the Wrights being truly the first > to fly a powered, controlled flight or not, it was a magical day indeed. > > Get out and burn some avgas folks. I understand the EAA website will have a > "post your flight" log of some sort to note your flight. I'm heading over > to Falcon Field (Mesa, Az) to visit my dad and celebrate the day...as well > as his birthday! I plan to be RV grinnin' at 0835 local. > > Here's to you, Orv and Wil. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > Albuquerque, NM People at 3LF-Litchfield, IL will start festivities in late morning and hopefully carry on into the late evening. An RV-3, Pitt's, Luscombe 8a, Cessna 140, will be out of their hangars and whatever/whoever straggles in.... sure would like to see a Curtiss biplane or a Stearman come over the trees and wave or land. I also say, here's to you Orv and Wil....... Phil in Litchfield, IL ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:32 PM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Hawaii --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" Hi Pat, I rented Moore Air's Cardinal a couple of years ago: http://www.mooreair.com/ You can check the planes and their schedule using Schedule Master before you go. They were nice folks to deal with and I got a nice "tour" on my checkout with lots of sights pointed out. Busy airport, I was delayed getting back down one time with an F-15 emergency landing blocking the runway... he pulled about a mile of arresting cable down the runway with him. Safe landing though. (the F-18 :-) I really recommend renting a plane while you are there. Flying around gives you a great view of the whole island. Watch those trade winds and remember that you are in IFR conditions on a severe clear day if you go between the islands. Have fun! Dave Burton RV6, wings ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:52 PM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Fund for a brave Lt. Col. --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 12/16/03 7:28:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, lm4@juno.com writes: << KABONG, When you get this thing put together; put me down for ten. Larry Mac Donald >> I'm in, keep us posted as to where to send it. Do not archive Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, firewall forward ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:34 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Aircraft Loans... --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" Don't overlook a Home Equity loan if you have the slack. An airplane is a capital asset not unlike a home improvement project, after all, building is building ??? (how about an attitude improvement project)! Way lower than "aircraft" rates, virtually no origination costs, they don't really care what it's for if there is equity there, fixed rate, longer terms AND the interest is tax deductible. Don't know if it works for everyone but it worked great for me! More info on request Bill Schlatterer Arkansas 7a QB fuse in process -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Loans... --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Anyone have a recommendation of where to get an aircraft loan? I want to take out a loan against my -8A so I can do that 180HP C/S upgrade! YEEE HAAA!! -Bill VonDane EAA Tech Counselor RV-8A ~ N8WV www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:11 PM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Hawaii --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 12/16/03 4:12:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, dburton@nwlink.com writes: << remember that you are in IFR conditions on a severe clear day if you go between the islands. >> I'm a low timer, please explain the above. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, firewall forward ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:53 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Jon Johanson --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Thanks Eustace; I had been watching for more news about Jon's return. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:28 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Insurance Questions --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com I got a quote from the EAA insurance out fit and then found Avemco got me the same liability for about half the premium for my RV-4. No hull coverage. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:02 PM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Hawaii --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" Hi Harry, The distance between some of the islands is great enough that you are completely out of sight of land. The air is filled with salt and humidity and the sea just fades into the sky. You can't tell up from down, even if it's a clear day. Weird feeling! Beautiful though. Dave Burton Hawaiian Native I don't tan now, I rust... (Seattle) ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Hawaii > --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/16/03 4:12:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, > dburton@nwlink.com writes: > > << remember that you are in IFR conditions on a severe clear day if you go > between the islands. >> > > I'm a low timer, please explain the above. > > Harry Crosby > Pleasanton, California > RV-6, firewall forward > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:08 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" Excuse the shameless promotion, but its worth checking out the EM2 engine monitor which is finally in production. It's about 1/4th the cost of the $4k systems and has the same (or more) functionality. I agree with the comments made by others about the importance of keeping the really important engine info visible when viewing alternate pages. I went with a 4 line display so that all the main parameters could stay in place on the top & bottom lines all the time. You can check it out at www.rotaryaviation.com The water cooled (rotary engine) version is shown but a Lycoming version is also available. Tracy Crook In a message dated 12/16/2003 1:13:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, rmickey@ix.netcom.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky Mountain Engine > monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? I don't want > to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these systems without > a clear winner coming up. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:25 PM PST US From: "rv6tc" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" Ditto. UAL 737 DEN- OAK. Oh well. I'd rather be upside down in an RV~!!!! Cheers to those of you who are! Keith Hughes Denver do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Weiler" > > > Great suggestion Brian. I'll be holding down the right seat of a NWA 757 > from Portland to Minneapolis at the appointed hour tomorrow instead of > celebrating in my -4. But I'll toast their memory and the future of > aviation with an extra bag of pretzels. > > Doug Weiler > Hudson, WI ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:51 PM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: RV-List: To Cork or not to Cork? --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" I am ready to secure the plates in the root rib and need to get some feedback on whether to use the cork gaskets or not. The archives were not friendly on this search. Any thoughts? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. From: Boyd Braem --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Keith-- Who was the veteran test pilot that did an aileron-roll over Seattle when they rolled out the -747? I believe he was fired and then hired back the next day Life is fun, huh? Boyd.. On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, at 09:29 PM, rv6tc wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" > > Ditto. UAL 737 DEN- OAK. > > Oh well. I'd rather be upside down in an RV~!!!! > > Cheers to those of you who are! > > Keith Hughes > Denver > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Weiler" >> >> >> Great suggestion Brian. I'll be holding down the right seat of a NWA >> 757 >> from Portland to Minneapolis at the appointed hour tomorrow instead of >> celebrating in my -4. But I'll toast their memory and the future of >> aviation with an extra bag of pretzels. >> >> Doug Weiler >> Hudson, WI > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > Boyd. RV-Super 6 Venice, FL do not archive ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:08 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Tex Rankin in a 707 do not archive Jerry Boyd Braem wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem > >Keith-- > >Who was the veteran test pilot that did an aileron-roll over Seattle >when they rolled out the -747? I believe he was fired and then hired >back the next day > >Life is fun, huh? > >Boyd.. >On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, at 09:29 PM, rv6tc wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" >> >>Ditto. UAL 737 DEN- OAK. >> >>Oh well. I'd rather be upside down in an RV~!!!! >> >>Cheers to those of you who are! >> >>Keith Hughes >>Denver >>do not archive >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Doug Weiler" >> >> >>>Great suggestion Brian. I'll be holding down the right seat of a NWA >>>757 >>>from Portland to Minneapolis at the appointed hour tomorrow instead of >>>celebrating in my -4. But I'll toast their memory and the future of >>>aviation with an extra bag of pretzels. >>> >>>Doug Weiler >>>Hudson, WI >>> >>> >>_- >>======================================================================= >>_-> _- >>======================================================================= >>_- >>======================================================================= >>_- >>======================================================================= >>_- >>======================================================================= >> >> >> >> >Boyd. >RV-Super 6 >Venice, FL > >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:00 PM PST US From: "Larry Pardue" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boyd Braem" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. > --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem > > Keith-- > > Who was the veteran test pilot that did an aileron-roll over Seattle > when they rolled out the -747? I believe he was fired and then hired > back the next day > Tex Johnston. Boeing Dash 80. Quite a bit before the 747. My old buddy Ned Wilson had the cockpit photo on his den wall. Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM http://n5lp.net ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:58 PM PST US From: "Larry Pardue" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem > > Keith-- > > Who was the veteran test pilot that did an aileron-roll over Seattle > when they rolled out the -747? I believe he was fired and then hired > back the next day > Sorry, forgot do not archive. A link to the Dash 80 roll is http://www.historylink.org/output.cfm?file_id=390 Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:31 PM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Tex Johnston, but it was the 707 prototype over the Unlimited Boat Races in Seattle. A little background at: http://www.707sim.com/texjohnson.html Laird (Taking Wednesday off as a "Religious Holiday" :-) RV-6 SoCal >--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem > >Keith-- > >Who was the veteran test pilot that did an aileron-roll over Seattle >when they rolled out the -747? I believe he was fired and then hired >back the next day > >Life is fun, huh? > >Boyd.. >On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, at 09:29 PM, rv6tc wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" >> >> Ditto. UAL 737 DEN- OAK. >> >> Oh well. I'd rather be upside down in an RV~!!!! >> >> Cheers to those of you who are! >> >> Keith Hughes >> Denver >> do not archive >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Weiler" >>> >>> >>> Great suggestion Brian. I'll be holding down the right seat of a NWA >>> 757 >>> from Portland to Minneapolis at the appointed hour tomorrow instead of >>> celebrating in my -4. But I'll toast their memory and the future of >>> aviation with an extra bag of pretzels. >>> >>> Doug Weiler >>> Hudson, WI >> >> >> _- >> ======================================================================= >> _-> _- >> ======================================================================= >> _- >> ======================================================================= >> _- >> ======================================================================= >> _- >> ======================================================================= >> > >> >> >Boyd. >RV-Super 6 >Venice, FL > >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:05 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Whoops, I menat Tex Johnston not Tex Rankin. LOL!! do not archive Jerry Larry Pardue wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Boyd Braem" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem >> >>Keith-- >> >>Who was the veteran test pilot that did an aileron-roll over Seattle >>when they rolled out the -747? I believe he was fired and then hired >>back the next day >> >> >> > >Tex Johnston. Boeing Dash 80. Quite a bit before the 747. My old buddy >Ned Wilson had the cockpit photo on his den wall. > >Larry Pardue >Carlsbad, NM > >http://n5lp.net > > > > ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:57 PM PST US From: "Joe Hine" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" Wasn't a 747, it was the Dash 80, which was the prototype 707, They keep showing a short clip of the pilots son and two views of the roll on the Wings channel lately. Joe Hine RV4 C-FYTQ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Boyd Braem Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Keith-- Who was the veteran test pilot that did an aileron-roll over Seattle when they rolled out the -747? I believe he was fired and then hired back the next day Life is fun, huh? Boyd.. On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, at 09:29 PM, rv6tc wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" > > Ditto. UAL 737 DEN- OAK. > > Oh well. I'd rather be upside down in an RV~!!!! > > Cheers to those of you who are! > > Keith Hughes > Denver > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Weiler" >> >> >> Great suggestion Brian. I'll be holding down the right seat of a NWA >> 757 >> from Portland to Minneapolis at the appointed hour tomorrow instead of >> celebrating in my -4. But I'll toast their memory and the future of >> aviation with an extra bag of pretzels. >> >> Doug Weiler >> Hudson, WI > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > Boyd. RV-Super 6 Venice, FL do not archive ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:32 PM PST US From: "Vic Moore" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Moore" Tex Johnston (a pilot's pilot); 1955; in the 707 prototype. http://www.historylink.org/output.cfm?file_id=390 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560989319/ref=ase_avsearch-bk asin-20/102-3115747-4496946?v=glance&s=books -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Boyd Braem Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17. --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem Keith-- Who was the veteran test pilot that did an aileron-roll over Seattle when they rolled out the -747? I believe he was fired and then hired back the next day Life is fun, huh? Boyd.. On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, at 09:29 PM, rv6tc wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" > > Ditto. UAL 737 DEN- OAK. > > Oh well. I'd rather be upside down in an RV~!!!! > > Cheers to those of you who are! > > Keith Hughes > Denver > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Weiler" >> >> >> Great suggestion Brian. I'll be holding down the right seat of a NWA >> 757 >> from Portland to Minneapolis at the appointed hour tomorrow instead of >> celebrating in my -4. But I'll toast their memory and the future of >> aviation with an extra bag of pretzels. >> >> Doug Weiler >> Hudson, WI > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _-> _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > Boyd. RV-Super 6 Venice, FL do not archive ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: To Cork or not to Cork? From: Patty & Dan Krueger --> RV-List message posted by: Patty & Dan Krueger > > I am ready to secure the plates in the root rib and need to get some > feedback on whether to use the cork gaskets or not. The archives were > not friendly on this search. > I used the cork with liberal but not excessive amounts of proseal on both sides of the cork plus a filet of proseal around the plates and the socket screws I used to secure the plates. Before prosealing around the screws, I stubbed out a ground wire for the fuel quantity sender - historically most fuel gage problems have been with the ground. Two years with no leaks and no ground prob. Dan Krueger RV6A N926DK Flying ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:28 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: Re: RV-List: Hawaii --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" Hey forget the Cessna. If you are in Oahu and want to meet a great pilot. make a friend and fly an Extra 300L then call Clint Churchill. His web address is http://home.hawaii.rr.com/acroflight/index.htm . I forget what he charges (basically it was just enough to cover gas) for the flight and it's an unforgettable experience doing Cuban's, hammerheads, tail slides, Lomshovok's and loops over pineapple fields and the pacific on the horizon. It really was one of the best flying days I've ever had and he doesn't mind letting you do all the flying. I'm pretty sure he can point you to an FBO to rent a Cessna...if you must. :-) Cheers, (I have tons of pics if you care to see his plane) DO NOT ARCHIVE. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Hawaii > --> RV-List message posted by: RV4PatA@aol.com > > > Anyone know a good place to rent a cessna on Oahu? > > Pat Allender > RV-4 > > ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:24 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Digital compass From: j1j2h3@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com Brookstone www.brookstone.com has a digital electronic compass for $130. According to their ad, it has a numeric readout with a resolution of 1 degree in addition to the graphic display and can be set to either true or magnetic north. It also displays inside and outside temperature, with an ice alert and has an altimeter. I would want to keep my whiskey compass as a backup, but I'm thinking that this would be a neat addition. It would be easier to read and I think these things are immune to turning and accel/decel errors. The altimeter would also be a backup. Of course the altimeter would not be very accurate, not having an external static source, and I doubt that it can be adjusted for barometric pressure, but it would still be good for maintaining an altitude. Any opinions on this? Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (setting up shop in Franklin, Tennessee) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:24 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Drill bit source From: j1j2h3@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com I think I found a good source for drill bits. http://www.biscofl.com/numberdrill.htm I got a dozen each of #30 & #40 bits for $15.55 total, including shipping. They were received very quickly after I placed the order. They have several grades and these were the cheapest. I suspect the quality may not be the best in the world, but I think they will do just fine for opening up the prepunched holes in my RV7 kit. Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (setting up shop in Franklin, Tennessee) Do not archive