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1. 02:52 AM - Re: Dec 17. (PSILeD@aol.com)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Jon Johanson (Charles Rowbotham)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: Insurance Questions (John Helms)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Ronnie Brown)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: Fuel tank access cover sealing was To Cork or not (Charlie Kuss)
7. 06:50 AM - pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Steven Eberhart)
8. 06:56 AM - Vacuum shut off valve mcmaster carr (Jeff Dowling)
9. 07:09 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Jamie D. Painter)
10. 07:09 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Jamie D. Painter)
11. 07:18 AM - Re: To Cork or not to Cork? (Leesafur@aol.com)
12. 07:21 AM - Re: Vacuum shut off valve mcmaster carr (Alex Peterson)
13. 07:24 AM - The Wright Stuff (Kosta Lewis)
14. 07:48 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Craig Warner)
15. 07:57 AM - Wright FLyer mission scrubbed (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
16. 08:06 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Paul Besing)
17. 08:26 AM - Re: Digital compass (Richard Tasker)
18. 08:29 AM - Re: Hawaii (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
19. 08:29 AM - Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk (Jamie D. Painter)
20. 08:41 AM - Re: The Wright Stuff (Hal Rozema)
21. 09:24 AM - Salute to the Wright Bros. (John)
22. 10:58 AM - Unsubscribing (Elsa & Henry)
23. 11:04 AM - vortex generators (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
24. 11:46 AM - RV7 Electric elevator trim (Mark Antenbring)
25. 12:01 PM - Dec 17th (Tom Gummo)
26. 12:57 PM - Re: Dec 17th (Jim Sears)
27. 01:23 PM - Wright Bros Flight... (Bill VonDane)
28. 01:36 PM - Re: RV7 Electric elevator trim (Ralph E. Capen)
29. 01:41 PM - Re: Wright Bros Flight... (Dana Overall)
30. 02:06 PM - Re: vortex generators (John)
31. 02:09 PM - Remembrance of 100th anniversary of flight (Vern Darley,II)
32. 02:12 PM - Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Don Eaves)
33. 02:15 PM - Re: vortex generators (John)
34. 02:43 PM - Re: Dec 17th (Keith Vasey)
35. 02:45 PM - Re: Wright Bros Flight... (Boss)
36. 03:11 PM - Re: vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
37. 03:24 PM - Tundra Tires? (Bill Dube)
38. 03:31 PM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Trampas)
39. 03:44 PM - Re: vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
40. 04:32 PM - Re: Wright Bros Flight... (Dana Overall)
41. 04:36 PM - RV-4 Kit for Sale (Steve Gandy)
42. 05:27 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Randy Compton)
43. 06:02 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (David Taylor)
44. 06:14 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Glenn Brasch)
45. 06:52 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Don Mack)
46. 07:04 PM - Re: vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
47. 07:18 PM - 100 years (Wheeler North)
48. 07:29 PM - Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? (Joe Hine)
49. 08:08 PM - Re: RV7 Electric elevator trim (Karie Daniel)
50. 08:51 PM - [ Jim Jewell ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
51. 09:01 PM - Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? (Ross Mickey)
52. 09:34 PM - What did you do today to celebrate? (Cammie Patch)
53. 10:36 PM - Re: vortex generators (Blanton Fortson)
54. 11:32 PM - Re: vortex generators (Boyd Braem)
55. 11:41 PM - Re: 100 years (Boyd Braem)
56. 11:46 PM - Re: 100 years (Boyd Braem)
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--> RV-List message posted by: PSILeD@aol.com
The Discovery Wings channel shows video of the Dash 80 during that manuver.
It is one of their Historical moments and they show it quite frequently.
Usually show one or the other at the end of each session. Very impressive!
Paul LeDoux
RV8-QB
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Eustace,
Thanks for the update.
Chuck
>From: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: "rv list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Jon Johanson
>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:46:02 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
>
>Jon is safely back in Australia.
>
>Eustace Bowhay
>
>
Grab our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month.
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Beware the difference between per person (what AVEMCO offers... limits
anyone's bodily injury to $100,000) vs what all other companies offer (per
passenger.... person's outside the plane who are injured aren't limited to
$100,000).
Also, beware that AVEMCO sublimits family members of yours to 25% of that
sublimit.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: <Oldsfolks@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Insurance Questions
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I got a quote from the EAA insurance out fit and then found Avemco got me
the
same liability for about half the premium for my RV-4. No hull coverage.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
I agree - the GRT EIS 4000 is a great value, takes up very little panel
space (mine is at the bottom of the radio stack), alarms limits can be set
on about any input, and support is great! The display is very visible in
any light and the character size is large enough for my old eyes to read
easily,
I use mine like an educated idiot light. I don't have to scan any engine
instruments - the EIS lets me know if anything is out of limits. After 110
hours of flying with it, I haven't found ANYTHING I don't like about it. It
is easily customizable, alarms are easily set, and it has an RS232 output
for recording engine data to a laptop. I just used it to do the GAMI fuel
injector balance test. It worked perfectly.
The engine leaning functions are described at
http://hometown.aol.com/enginfosys/leanpage.htm . The digital leaning page
are easier to read and understand than the fancy bar graphs IMHO.
I had planned on the VM-1000 but glad I didn't pay the additional bucks and
take up the additional limited panel space. My understanding is he VM has
very limited to non existent user customizing available. What see you get
is what you get.
Ronnie Brown
Time: 10:36:32 AM PST US
From: RV8ter@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ?
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Thanks Mickey. I didn't know the page was traversable via grip switch. How
difficult is it to tailor the info on each page and the actual pages you
wantto see? How does the leaning function actually work in practice?
thx,
lucky
In a message dated 12/16/2003 1:13:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rmickey@ix.netcom.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
> Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky Mountain Engine
> monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? I don't
want
> to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these systems
without
> a clear winner coming up.
I went witht e GRT based on value/features. One thing you need to determine
is how involved you want to be in monitoring your engine systems. Steam
gauges show you everything at once and require you to scan them on a regular
basis to determine if anything is out-of-whack. Large display solid state
units let you scan everything at a glace and add the warning feature. I
decided early on that I wanted the engine monitor to do the scaning for me
and warn me when something is amiss and I wanted to minimize panel space.
The GRT 4000 fits the bill. It automatically goes to the appropriate page
when something is out of range. The customizable first two pages allow you
to pick those items you are most interested in seeing right away. My home
page shows rpm/MP, oil temp and pressure, fuel flow, fuel pressure and
highest EGT. I have a switch on my Infinity grip that forwards and reverses
the pages on the monitor. These two features, customizable pages and stick
controlled paging, make the unit extremely efficient to meet my needs.
Ross Mickey
RV6A
N9PT
18 hours and counting
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| Subject: | Re: To Cork or not to Cork? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
I've yet to use a cork gasket that didn't eventually leak. Forget the cork.
Just pro-seal the access plates onto the tank using a few sealing rivets or
platenuts to cinch it down. If you ever need to remove the cover plates,
just take a small propane torch and lightly heat the pro-seal. The plate
will come right off.
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
www.buildersbooks.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank access cover sealing was To Cork or not |
to Cork?
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net> to Cork?
Darwin,
I used the cork gaskets without any sealer on my fuel tank access plates. I have
no leaks. I've even removed and reused the cork gaskets several times with
out leakage. HOWEVER, I built my tanks using NAS1473-A08 fuel tank nutplates (available
at Wicks Aircraft).
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/gotopage.php?page=88
If you use the standard K1000 nutplates supplied by Vans, you should consider
either applying a sealer to the gasket, using ProSeal to replace the gasket, or
obtaining a set of #8 self sealing screws. These screws have a sealing O-ring
under the head of the screw. They are available from McMaster-Carr.
You will need:
8-32 x 1/2" Part # 90825A816
If you prefer to use a 3/4" long unit they are Part # 90825A819
http://www.mcmaster.com/
Please note that if you decide to use these screws, they come with silicone rubber
o-rings. You will need to request a change to Viton rubber o-rings. The silicone
rubber does not hold up to gasoline. Ask them to substitute Viton O-rings
for the Silicone ones or simply purchase a bag of the appropriate size Viton
O-rings (they sell them as well)
Charlie Kuss
RV-8A instrument panel
Boca Raton, Fl.
PS I changed the subject line to make archive searching easier.
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
>I am ready to secure the plates in the root rib and need to get some feedback
on whether to use the cork gaskets or not. The archives were not friendly on this
search.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Darwin N. Barrie
>Chandler AZ
>
>
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| Subject: | pouring rain at Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
flight.
Steve Eberhart
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| Subject: | Vacuum shut off valve mcmaster carr |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Help, recently someone posted a McMaster-Carr valve to use as a vacuum shut off
for aerobatics. Does anyone have the part number handy. I couldnt find it in
the archives.
Jeff Dowling
1.5 hours 6a
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
For those of us stuck in the office today, you can watch the activities
on-line at c-span.org.
On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 09:49, Steven Eberhart wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
>
> Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> flight.
>
> Steve Eberhart
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| Subject: | Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
For those of us stuck in the office today, you can watch the activities
on-line at c-span.org.
On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 09:49, Steven Eberhart wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
>
> Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> flight.
>
> Steve Eberhart
>
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| Subject: | Re: To Cork or not to Cork? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
"just take a small propane torch"
If your going to do that PLEASE MAKE SURE THE TANK IS DEAD such as steamed
out or blown down with air till the tank is vapor free
Just a thought has anyone machined the access cover for O-ring's?
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 wing
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| Subject: | Vacuum shut off valve mcmaster carr |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
> Help, recently someone posted a McMaster-Carr valve to use as
> a vacuum shut off for aerobatics. Does anyone have the part
> number handy. I couldnt find it in the archives.
>
> Jeff Dowling
> 1.5 hours 6a
>
Jeff, go to
http://www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson/misc.htm
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 424 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | The Wright Stuff |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Following the history of the Wright brothers and the methods of
discovery and of trial and error they undertook to accomplish what they
did 100 years ago today makes me proud and amazed. It probably should
never have happened. But it did. It is their gift to us flyers, now a
century later, putting together our own flying machines and breaking the
bonds that held man to earth for tens of thousands of years before the
first flight. If that doesn't inspire you to get back out into your
garage/hanger and get to work, you just ain't paying attention.
The wind is blowing here today but you can bet I am going to celebrate
this amazing century of flight with a flight of my own. It is a great
honor and privilege to be able to just walk out to the airplane and go
flying. The wonderful machine Van gave us, the talent I had to put it
together, the skill I was taught to fly it, the country we have to fly
in....lots to be thankful for.
Way to go, Orville and Wilber. Thanks.
Michael
RV-4 232 Suzie Q
Tuned in to CNN, waiting. Doesn't look good for weather today
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| Subject: | Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
They are going to try again at 2:00 pm eastern time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Eberhart" <newtech@newtech.com>
Subject: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
>
> Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> flight.
>
> Steve Eberhart
>
>
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| Subject: | Wright FLyer mission scrubbed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
From boots on the ground.
Wright Flyer scrubbed until 2pm.
They will reevaluate at that time.
They need winds to be 15-22.
Winds are now light and variable but expected to pick up.
Thanks to Nomad(Jim Lawrence) for calling me right on the minute to say
hello from Kitty Hawk(10:35am est). He was thinking about his aviation
buddies and giving them a call for an up to the minute count of the
activities.
Cool.
And good luck to the Austin Tx flyers flying the capitol today. Wish I
were there with my RV buds. Instead I am scanning the web for real video
feeds from Kitty Hawk with no luck.
Winds in Atlanta are 28 gust 40. I will fly with my training wheel this
afternoon, but the taildraggers are grounded:-)
Do not archive
Michael Stewart
Quality Assurance
404.236.3363
GO ISS!
"Why is it doing that and how do I make it stop?"
What an old pilot said while learning a new computerized cockpit
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| Subject: | Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
I'm on CSpan.org, but i'm getting a call in open forum. No Kitty Hawk
coverage.
Paul Besing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter"
<rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
>
> For those of us stuck in the office today, you can watch the activities
> on-line at c-span.org.
>
> On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 09:49, Steven Eberhart wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
> >
> > Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> > Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> > flight.
> >
> > Steve Eberhart
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| Subject: | Re: Digital compass |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
Interesting idea, and it actually works (at least in my car) but you can
get the same thing on Ebay for $50!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26436&item=2448975069
Dick Tasker, 90573
Fuselage
j1j2h3@juno.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
>
>Brookstone
>
>www.brookstone.com
>
>has a digital electronic compass for $130. According to their ad, it has
>a numeric readout with a resolution of 1 degree in addition to the
>graphic display and can be set to either true or magnetic north. It also
>displays inside and outside temperature, with an ice alert and has an
>altimeter.
>
>I would want to keep my whiskey compass as a backup, but I'm thinking
>that this would be a neat addition. It would be easier to read and I
>think these things are immune to turning and accel/decel errors. The
>altimeter would also be a backup. Of course the altimeter would not be
>very accurate, not having an external static source, and I doubt that it
>can be adjusted for barometric pressure, but it would still be good for
>maintaining an altitude.
>
>Any opinions on this?
>
>Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (setting up shop in Franklin,
>Tennessee)
>
>Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Hi Pat,
Try 1-360-568-1542 "Fly Hawaii" They were good to me last year. Nice planes.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV4PatA@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Hawaii
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV4PatA@aol.com
>
>
> Anyone know a good place to rent a cessna on Oahu?
> do not archive
> Pat Allender
> RV-4
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
Yeah, they were doing live video feeds from Kitty Hawk but cut away
after the flight was scrubbed. They said they'll be back to the NC feed
at 2:00 p.m. I'm going to try to find some more feeds.
On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 11:05, Paul Besing wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> I'm on CSpan.org, but i'm getting a call in open forum. No Kitty Hawk
> coverage.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie D. Painter" <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: pouring rain at Kitty Hawk
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie D. Painter"
> <rvbuilder@earthlink.net>
> >
> > For those of us stuck in the office today, you can watch the activities
> > on-line at c-span.org.
> >
> > On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 09:49, Steven Eberhart wrote:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
> > >
> > > Just turned on C-Span and it is pouring down rain at Kitty Hawk :-(
> > > Bush is speaking and they haven't said yet what the plans are for the
> > > flight.
> > >
> > > Steve Eberhart
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| Subject: | Re: The Wright Stuff |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
I wish the Wright followers well. It's a lot of fun.
Also read, http://www.deepsky.com/~firstflight/
Hal Rozema
theplanefolks.net
Kosta Lewis wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
> Following the history of the Wright brothers and the methods of
> discovery and of trial and error they undertook to accomplish what they
> did 100 years ago today makes me proud and amazed. It probably should
> never have happened. But it did. It is their gift to us flyers, now a
> century later, putting together our own flying machines and breaking the
> bonds that held man to earth for tens of thousands of years before the
> first flight. If that doesn't inspire you to get back out into your
> garage/hanger and get to work, you just ain't paying attention.
>
> The wind is blowing here today but you can bet I am going to celebrate
> this amazing century of flight with a flight of my own. It is a great
> honor and privilege to be able to just walk out to the airplane and go
> flying. The wonderful machine Van gave us, the talent I had to put it
> together, the skill I was taught to fly it, the country we have to fly
> in....lots to be thankful for.
>
> Way to go, Orville and Wilber. Thanks.
>
> Michael
> RV-4 232 Suzie Q
>
> Tuned in to CNN, waiting. Doesn't look good for weather today
>
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| Subject: | Salute to the Wright Bros. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
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I took the RV6A up for a short (and very bumpy) flight this morning as a
salute to the two who gave us this great gift of flight. I couldn't help but
thnik of the control problems they must have had...even though I was getting
a LOT of bumps (even hit my head once) they certainly had more....also for
what its worth I took care to watch for any change of the plane's tendency
to yaw in the presence of turbulence to see if the vortex generators I have
on the plane made a difference...my conclusion: They do make a big
difference..very little lateral yaw compared to what I had in the past prior
to vortex generator installation.
John at Salida, CO
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
To all interested,
I have unsubscribed from the RV List for the holidays effective today (17th)
Happy and safe holidays to all.
Cheers!!---Henry Hore
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| Subject: | vortex generators |
12/17/2003 12:27:20 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
I need to be educated. I do not see how vortex generators cancel out
adverse yaw. I understand how the generators keep the airflow attached in
slow flight and lower stall speed. I do not however see that they make the
tail "bigger". Is it possible that the v shape induces a stability
augmentation over the wings to aid in this? i.e. making the wings track
straighter due to the v shape glued on the wings and assisting in the
adverse yaw problem?
thanks
Glenn Williams
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| Subject: | RV7 Electric elevator trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Antenbring <mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
So far the empennage instructions provide a lot of detail and hand-holding,
but when I get to the electric elevator trim, it's a big mystery. I've had
to make a lot of assumptions in that area so far. The next assumption I have
to make is that I have to cut the threaded bolt (trim push rod) to a proper
length, unless I want the trim tab sticking up full time. That would cause
some forward stick pressure eh? Has any one got an accurate method to cut
this push rod to length? Is a hacksaw ok to use on this rod?
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"Rocket List" <rocket-list@matronics.com>,
"SoCal RV List" <socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
The weather at Apple Valley, CA was beautiful this morning. Hopped into the Rocket
with my instructor Joe Fitzgerald and completed my biannual. Found a Long
EZ and did some acro with me in trail. Later switched leads and had him follow
me through some light acro. Checked out the mountains and saw lots of dead
trees from all those fires. Yelled on the radio "THANK YOU WRIGHT BROTHERS"
just had to do it.
Hope you all had a chance to fly today.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
> Hope you all had a chance to fly today.
>
It's cold in KY. I went to the airport, untied Scooter, and fired him up.
Boy, did that engine shake! I quickly realized that some dummy had not
turned the prop so that water could drain out. Drat! Ice in the spinner!
Well, at least I tried. Maybe I didn't do any worse than those at Kitty
Hawk. Haven't watched the news this afternoon; but, the weather wasn't that
great when I watched earlier.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Wright Bros Flight... |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
A small group if us decided to go flying this morning in honor of the Wright Bros
first flight...
I did a roll in both directions at the same time as the 100 year anniversary!!!
Got some cool video too!
We continued on to Pueblo, CO for breakfast, and I had a flat nose wheel... Ah
well, the Wright's had trouble 100 years ago too... Pulled the wheel off, got
a ride back to my home airport, after a new tube and fresh grease, got another
ride back down to Pueblo...
Now I'm sittin at work thinkin; Even with a flat, I was having more fun than I
am now!!! Have a good day all!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV7 Electric elevator trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I used the Gretz relocation kit for my 6A. I might suggest that it
eliminates a lot of the issues that I had with both the manual and stock
electric trim systems.
my .02...
Ralph Capen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Antenbring" <mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV7 Electric elevator trim
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Antenbring
<mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
>
> So far the empennage instructions provide a lot of detail and
hand-holding,
> but when I get to the electric elevator trim, it's a big mystery. I've had
> to make a lot of assumptions in that area so far. The next assumption I
have
> to make is that I have to cut the threaded bolt (trim push rod) to a
proper
> length, unless I want the trim tab sticking up full time. That would cause
> some forward stick pressure eh? Has any one got an accurate method to cut
> this push rod to length? Is a hacksaw ok to use on this rod?
>
>
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| Subject: | Wright Bros Flight... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Hum, it sure looked the guy pilot drove the flyer into the mud:-)
Seriously, hope they, male or female, get/got another chance today to get
it off the ground.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction. The
whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test' I could
concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the same
conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too fast.
Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their vortex
generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked around
so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see just
wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but there's
something going on.
John
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| Subject: | Remembrance of 100th anniversary of flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vern Darley,II" <vern@mindspring.com>
It's been a reflective sort of day as I've done something most unusual for me-I
pinned various aviation pins on my tie and wore them all day.( I normally am
'Mr. Decorum' and avoid tacky when I can. )
I've been shocked at how many folks in the office and out at lunch had no appreciation
for the 100th Anniv.celebration nor aviation in general. To them,it might
as well have been National John Deer Tractor day or something.
But, considering the impact of aviation on our economy,our transportation,our defense,our
mobility, and our recreation, it has apparently lost much of its mystique
and appeal to this generation.
Any ideas about what we can do to help motivate the next generation so they will
someday celebrate the 200th anniverary??
Today, my pins represented the facets of aviation I've enjoyed in the 50 + years
since I took my first ride in a J-3 all those years ago. Almost no one even
noticed the odd tie decorations. No one asked what any of them meant to me. So,
I'll share some of their meaning with you,my RV family.
One pin represents my first solo at age 16. Another working at the FBO 40-60 hours
a week all thru college. Another is my USAF wings earned at age 22 and those
wonderful young days on active duty. Oh, to be a young Lt. again with orders
to 'go put some time on that airplane' again! You never appreciate what you
have until you no longer have it, do you?
One pin represented the tumultuous times of airline deregulation and stress at
Eastern AIrlines, once the proudest and free world's largest air carrier. Another
pin represented the wonderful AF Reserve duties. Caribou's and 130's ! Ground
school and flying with the late Charlie Burnett. The Citation pin representing
the corporate flying days with their busyness.
And the best pin of all, now representing the newest phase of life,where aviation
has once again come full circle for me no longer as a 'job', but as fun as
I've become part of the RV world. Pure and simple fun!
To my pilot father and uncle,to all the instructors, war-story tellers, hanger-flyers,mechanics
and lineboys, schedulers,ground school and simulator guys, and
airport bums who have put up with me all these years-Thanks!
Congratulations on making my 50 years in aviation so wonderful!
Vern
P.S. I still look up when I hear a plane pass overhead like I did as a toddler.
Guess I always will!
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| Subject: | Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
I pulled my RV6 from the hangar and flew to OLV and witnesses the FIRST flight
of a Pitts 12.
I was the Technical counselor on the aircraft for over 4 years.
The past few weeks have been exciting. What an accomplishment after 4 + years -
A first flight on Dec 17 2003. Congratulations Dave Robinson on your 1st flight!
A TV crew came out from FOX 13 news and interviewed Dave and I was asked to fly
the camera man in my RV6 - Now how do you get 2 Grown men and a BIG camera in
a RV6 - It was not easy -
Thanks Orville and Wilbur Wright!
What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
Don Eaves
doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Oh, I didn't read Glenn's message too closely...he asked about ADVERSE yaw -
well the RV has so little that it is never a consideration...I was speaking
of inadvertent yaw caused by flying in turbulence...that's where the
difference seemed to come in....turning in a 'spam can' where you need
rudder/aileron coordination to handle adverse yaw is something I don't see
in my RV. Heavy atmospheric turbulence would normally twist the RV around
fairly heavily.
John
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
I don't have my -8 ready this year, so I had to settle for a brand new
Diamond DA-40. I was privaleged to receive a take-off clearance at 10:32
(EST) this morning, before the sun came up in Seattle. Too sentimental of me
I know, but it felt great to takeoff exactly 100 years from Orville's event.
Keith Vasey
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sears
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17th
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
> Hope you all had a chance to fly today.
>
It's cold in KY. I went to the airport, untied Scooter, and fired him up.
Boy, did that engine shake! I quickly realized that some dummy had not
turned the prop so that water could drain out. Drat! Ice in the spinner!
Well, at least I tried. Maybe I didn't do any worse than those at Kitty
Hawk. Haven't watched the news this afternoon; but, the weather wasn't that
great when I watched earlier.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Re: Wright Bros Flight... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
To revitalize the interest of the youngsters in aviation there needs to be a
house keeping at the FAA. Over the last 30 years they have almost destroyed
general aviation. Thae Sport Pilot. It is about money to a favored few and
has taken over 2 years to do a job that should have been finished in 6
months. The bureaucrats in there featherbeds are just playing switch... with
each other (get my drift?). We, the taxpayers, are paying for this bunch of
idiots.Write your congressmen and tell them of your dissatisfaction and if
he does nothing pack your caucus with like minded people and see that he is
not on the next ballot (only seated people can vote). I know that this works
as we do not have a "special" fuel tax on general aviation av gas here in
Texas. It was proposed but died before ever making it to the house floor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Wright Bros Flight...
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Hum, it sure looked the guy pilot drove the flyer into the mud:-)
> Seriously, hope they, male or female, get/got another chance today to get
> it off the ground.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
The RV series (at least the -3, -4, -6) have very little adverse yaw
(and the wings on the Super 6 are clipped 7 inches)--in fact, if you
were not a perfectionist you could just keep your feet on the floor.
Best way to fly with adverse yaw is to fly a glider--swing that tail
around.
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:12 PM, John wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> Oh, I didn't read Glenn's message too closely...he asked about ADVERSE
> yaw -
> well the RV has so little that it is never a consideration...I was
> speaking
> of inadvertent yaw caused by flying in turbulence...that's where the
> difference seemed to come in....turning in a 'spam can' where you need
> rudder/aileron coordination to handle adverse yaw is something I don't
> see
> in my RV. Heavy atmospheric turbulence would normally twist the RV
> around
> fairly heavily.
>
> John
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
I've seen pictures of floats on an RV, but has anyone tried Tundra tires
on an RV? (I didn't find anything in the archives.)
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| Subject: | IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
Of course I think that www.sterntech.com has the best, but I designed it.
Regards,
Trampas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie Brown
Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
I agree - the GRT EIS 4000 is a great value, takes up very little panel
space (mine is at the bottom of the radio stack), alarms limits can be set
on about any input, and support is great! The display is very visible in
any light and the character size is large enough for my old eyes to read
easily,
I use mine like an educated idiot light. I don't have to scan any engine
instruments - the EIS lets me know if anything is out of limits. After 110
hours of flying with it, I haven't found ANYTHING I don't like about it. It
is easily customizable, alarms are easily set, and it has an RS232 output
for recording engine data to a laptop. I just used it to do the GAMI fuel
injector balance test. It worked perfectly.
The engine leaning functions are described at
http://hometown.aol.com/enginfosys/leanpage.htm . The digital leaning page
are easier to read and understand than the fancy bar graphs IMHO.
I had planned on the VM-1000 but glad I didn't pay the additional bucks and
take up the additional limited panel space. My understanding is he VM has
very limited to non existent user customizing available. What see you get
is what you get.
Ronnie Brown
Time: 10:36:32 AM PST US
From: RV8ter@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ?
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Thanks Mickey. I didn't know the page was traversable via grip switch. How
difficult is it to tailor the info on each page and the actual pages you
wantto see? How does the leaning function actually work in practice?
thx,
lucky
In a message dated 12/16/2003 1:13:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rmickey@ix.netcom.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
> Anyone have a strong opinion on using the IK-2000 vs Rocky Mountain Engine
> monitor vs the Grand Rapids EIS? Any other brand I left out? I don't
want
> to spend $4k+ for engine info so I've been looking at these systems
without
> a clear winner coming up.
I went witht e GRT based on value/features. One thing you need to determine
is how involved you want to be in monitoring your engine systems. Steam
gauges show you everything at once and require you to scan them on a regular
basis to determine if anything is out-of-whack. Large display solid state
units let you scan everything at a glace and add the warning feature. I
decided early on that I wanted the engine monitor to do the scaning for me
and warn me when something is amiss and I wanted to minimize panel space.
The GRT 4000 fits the bill. It automatically goes to the appropriate page
when something is out of range. The customizable first two pages allow you
to pick those items you are most interested in seeing right away. My home
page shows rpm/MP, oil temp and pressure, fuel flow, fuel pressure and
highest EGT. I have a switch on my Infinity grip that forwards and reverses
the pages on the monitor. These two features, customizable pages and stick
controlled paging, make the unit extremely efficient to meet my needs.
Ross Mickey
RV6A
N9PT
18 hours and counting
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
I've had the vortex generators since 2001. They don't do their stuff
until you get slow--and then--it's pretty much magic--I love flying
slow (on the edge)--if you don't like it, don't complain--buy a car.
The RV-6, at least, has a yaw problem in turbulence. You can't wish
it away.
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:05 PM, John wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction.
> The
> whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test' I
> could
> concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the
> same
> conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
> practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
> without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too
> fast.
> Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their
> vortex
> generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked
> around
> so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see just
> wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but
> there's
> something going on.
>
> John
>
>
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>
>
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Wright Bros Flight... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
>To revitalize the interest of the youngsters in aviation there needs to be
>a
>house keeping at the FAA. We, the taxpayers, are paying for this bunch of
>idiots.Write your congressmen and tell them of your dissatisfaction and if
>he does nothing pack your caucus with like minded people and see that he is
>not on the next ballot (only seated people can vote).
Well Boss..........I hope you feel better getting that off your chest:-)
Although I certainly don't see much wrong with your post, do me a favor
though, next time change the subject line and drop my quote off the bottom.
Deal??
Anybody heard when they are going to try it again. As Jim Sears said in a
private email, that fabric had to be saturated adding extra weight to an
already marginally flyable machine. Add the water on the rail adding drag,
it's no wonder they ran the thing into the mud at the end of the rail.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home.
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| Subject: | RV-4 Kit for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
Hi RV List
Some time back I planned to build a RV-4, purchased the wing and
empennage kit. I started building the horizontal stabilizer, then got
busy at work and didn't work on it for a couple of years. In 2001 I
lost my medical, and after more than 2 years of fighting with the FAA I
got it back in October, but only for 6 months. It has become very
costly too much trouble to pursue, so I will be applying for the new
Sport Pilot license. The bottom line is, I need to sell my RV-4 wing
and empennage kit. The wing kit is the standard RV-4 wing and is
unopened. The empennage kit is the standard empennage kit with the
heavy skins and the only work that has been done is on the horizontal
stabilizer. The skins are drilled, not dimpled. I want to sell the
wing and empennage kit together and I am asking $4,000 for them. I am
located in Fresno, CA.
Steve Gandy
s.gandy@comcast.net
Aeronca L-3C N48540
Kitfox 6 N540KF (Building)
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <thecomptons@bellsouth.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate?
> What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
>
> Don Eaves
> doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
Like others on the "List", I flew today...but I had to settle on flying the
Cub. The exhaust pipe on my #4 cylinder broke off at the flange at the
cylinder head while flying yesterday.
What a picture-perfect day here! Severe VFR with 18 knots of post-cold
front wind right down the runway. Tower caught on to what I was up to when
I hung out in the hold-short for a while before calling for takeoff
clearance at 1034 1/2 EST. Then, when I also asked for "the option", they
really were on to me. At 1035 I gave the Cub about half throttle - with the
good wind straight on the beak it was in the air VERY quickly - I flew down
the runway about 20 feet or so in the air, and after counting 12 seconds I
eased it back down and taxied back in. Made for a great logbook entry.
So, while I didn't get to fly my RV, I rationalized it away by at least
knowing I was flying a plane only a few steps improved over the Flyer.
That's what I did today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight...that, and
also give thanks to God that this incredible invention has allowed me to
earn a pretty darn good living all the while having fun doing it!
Randy Compton
RV-3 N148CW
Gulf Breeze, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
I had to work all day (Regular job during the day and reserves at night)
but I was able to do something to commemorate the day. I ordered my engine
today (0-360). Since I can't fly I guess I'll go cut some stiffeners for my
fuel tank. Isn't aviation wonderful? We've come so far in only 100 years.
Thanks Orville and Wilbur.
Do not archive
-David Taylor
Warner Robins, GA
RV-6A Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
>
> I pulled my RV6 from the hangar and flew to OLV and witnesses the FIRST
flight of a Pitts 12.
> I was the Technical counselor on the aircraft for over 4 years.
> The past few weeks have been exciting. What an accomplishment after 4 +
years -
> A first flight on Dec 17 2003. Congratulations Dave Robinson on your 1st
flight!
>
> A TV crew came out from FOX 13 news and interviewed Dave and I was asked
to fly the camera man in my RV6 - Now how do you get 2 Grown men and a BIG
camera in a RV6 - It was not easy -
> Thanks Orville and Wilbur Wright!
>
> What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
>
> Don Eaves
> doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Wish I "had to settle" flying a Cub!
Glenn in Arizona -9A Wings, Fuselage ordered.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> > What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
> >
> > Don Eaves
> > doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> > RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
>
> Like others on the "List", I flew today...but I had to settle on flying
the
> Cub.
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| Subject: | Re: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
It was dark when I went to work, dark when I left work. I flew my IFO park
flyer in the parking lot.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
I did. You first put them on with tape on the wings. The VGs don't
make any change in the turbulence yaw (that's a rudder/VS
thing)--unless you're going to fly at 60 KIAS, all the time.
Boyd.
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:05 PM, John wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction.
> The
> whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test' I
> could
> concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the
> same
> conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
> practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
> without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too
> fast.
> Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their
> vortex
> generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked
> around
> so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see just
> wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but
> there's
> something going on.
>
> John
>
>
> _-
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>
>
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Well,
today was a great day to celebrate 100 years of powered flight by flying
around Southern California. I did have one incident though. At about 40 kts
taking off from Big Bear the canpoy latch popped open. It didn't unlatch but
the overcenter was un-overcentered.
The interesting thing was that it made loud pop noise, then things got
abnormally windy. I saw the handle and went to reclose it, but the plane was
still taking off, so I readjusted my priorities and aborted the take-off as
I really have no idea, nor any interest in finding out what it would do if I
didn't get it re-latched tight.
I apparently didn't get the handle twisted all the way over center when
closing it, because I could find nothing wrong with it, and it worked fine
for the rest of the day. It is nice to know that it will talk to you right
about the time you are thinking about pulling back on the stick.
W
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| Subject: | Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
I had to settle as well.. We had a big snow fall two days ago and Weyman
Airpark where C-FYTQ lives was snowed in. I went to the main airport (YFC)
and flew in a PA28 with a friend. Flew over to Weyman and did a low pass to
say I was sorry to be flying someone else. I was doing orbits over town at
the magic moment in formation with another Cherokee. Spent the whole day at
the airport talking with other and generally enjoying the day. Many pilots
were there doing some flying to commemorate the day. The weather was barely
VFR, so I think it discouraged a few.
Joe Hine
RV4 C-FYTQ 240hrs....but hibernating for a few months now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Glenn Brasch
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dec 17th 2003 100 Years / What did you do today to
celebrate?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Wish I "had to settle" flying a Cub!
Glenn in Arizona -9A Wings, Fuselage ordered.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> > What did you do today to celebrate 100 years of powered flight?
> >
> > Don Eaves
> > doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
> > RV 6 Flying 200 + Hrs.
>
> Like others on the "List", I flew today...but I had to settle on flying
the
> Cub.
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| Subject: | Re: RV7 Electric elevator trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I jacked around with this thing for a couple of hours myself trying to
figure out full up then full down trim and the correct size to cut the rod.
I ultimately moved on but it's on my TO DO list of things I need to come
back and wrap up. Please share any info you get.
Karie Daniel
RV-7A
Sammamish, WA
(jacking around with the wings now) :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Antenbring" <mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV7 Electric elevator trim
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Antenbring
<mantenbring@pangaeainc.com>
>
> So far the empennage instructions provide a lot of detail and
hand-holding,
> but when I get to the electric elevator trim, it's a big mystery. I've had
> to make a lot of assumptions in that area so far. The next assumption I
have
> to make is that I have to cut the threaded bolt (trim push rod) to a
proper
> length, unless I want the trim tab sticking up full time. That would cause
> some forward stick pressure eh? Has any one got an accurate method to cut
> this push rod to length? Is a hacksaw ok to use on this rod?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IK-2000 vs RMI vs GR EIS vs ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV8ter@aol.com>
> How difficult is it to tailor the info on each page and the actual pages
you
> want to see?
Not difficult. Greg provides a worksheet that makes it easy to lay out what
you want and input into the unit.
> How does the leaning function actually work in practice?
Very well. I can either monitor the actual temp of the hottest cylinder
that is displayed on my home page or I can go to the leaning page. On the
first, you have to see what the peak temp is then enrichen till you are
50-100 from peak. On the leaning page, the actual temperature changes to
degrees from peak once the cylinder reaches peak. Makes it a bit easier.
The unit has other functions to help when you change altitudes and peak may
change. I don't use the bar graph function.
Ross
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| Subject: | What did you do today to celebrate? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
I celebrated the 100 years by giving flight instruction as I do most days.
Two flights in Cessnas, one in an Archer. The local Boise NBC affiliate came
down and interviewed me for my thoughts on aviation and the new licenses.
They asked me if the new format would in any way discourage terrorists. I
told them that you don't need any piece of paper (or plastic) to buy and fly
an aircraft. Fortunately that was edited out, some people might take it
wrong. It was hard to put into words just what flying means to me without
getting choked up a little and looking like a dork. Oh well.
I get to fly around all day in little airplanes. Even after 3 years of full
time instructing, it's still a thrill to fling a little airplane around the
sky, and especially to share the joy of someone elses first flight, first
solo, and checkride.
Cammie Patch
RV7a ailerons
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
VG's on both sides of the VS may affect yaw qualities ... they may
create an effect like a "virtually" larger VS. I know the VG's on the
underside of my HS dramatically increased elevator authority as if the
HS and elevator were larger.
B.
On Dec 17, 2003, at 6:01 PM, Boyd Braem wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> I did. You first put them on with tape on the wings. The VGs don't
> make any change in the turbulence yaw (that's a rudder/VS
> thing)--unless you're going to fly at 60 KIAS, all the time.
>
> Boyd.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:05 PM, John wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>>
>> I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction.
>> The
>> whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test' I
>> could
>> concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the
>> same
>> conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
>> practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
>> without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too
>> fast.
>> Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their
>> vortex
>> generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked
>> around
>> so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see
>> just
>> wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but
>> there's
>> something going on.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> _-
>> ======================================================================
>> >> _-> _-
>> ======================================================================
>> >> _-
>> ======================================================================
>> >> _-
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>> >> _-
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>> >>>
>>
>>
> Boyd.
> RV-Super 6
> Venice, FL
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
No, the VGs are on the wings--unless you have a Lear jet, why would you
need VGs on the tail?
Do VGs make up for bad pilot skills?
On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 01:35 AM, Blanton Fortson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
>
> VG's on both sides of the VS may affect yaw qualities ... they may
> create an effect like a "virtually" larger VS. I know the VG's on the
> underside of my HS dramatically increased elevator authority as if the
> HS and elevator were larger.
>
> B.
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2003, at 6:01 PM, Boyd Braem wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>>
>> I did. You first put them on with tape on the wings. The VGs don't
>> make any change in the turbulence yaw (that's a rudder/VS
>> thing)--unless you're going to fly at 60 KIAS, all the time.
>>
>> Boyd.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 05:05 PM, John wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>>>
>>> I have no idea why it SEEMS to make some difference in yaw reduction.
>>> The
>>> whole thing is a subjective feeling. The only rough and ready 'test'
>>> I
>>> could
>>> concieve of is to have to fairly identical RV's fly together in the
>>> same
>>> conditions and see what difference there is. Unfortunately it isn't
>>> practical to fly the single plane with the vortex generators and then
>>> without in the same conditions...to awkward and conditions change too
>>> fast.
>>> Someone else had suggested they noticed a yaw reduction with their
>>> vortex
>>> generators; I had rather forgoten about it until I was getting kicked
>>> around
>>> so much today, and it occured to me how the yaw that I used to see
>>> just
>>> wasn't there. Obviously one flight does not a conclusion make, but
>>> there's
>>> something going on.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
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>>> >>>>> _-> _-
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>>> >>>>> _-
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>>> >>>>> _-
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>>> >>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Boyd.
>> RV-Super 6
>> Venice, FL
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
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Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
With a slider on the -6, I have flown with the canopy open to 80
KIAS--needs lot of forward stick.
do not archive
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 10:18 PM, Wheeler North wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> Well,
>
> today was a great day to celebrate 100 years of powered flight by
> flying
> around Southern California. I did have one incident though. At about
> 40 kts
> taking off from Big Bear the canpoy latch popped open. It didn't
> unlatch but
> the overcenter was un-overcentered.
>
> The interesting thing was that it made loud pop noise, then things got
> abnormally windy. I saw the handle and went to reclose it, but the
> plane was
> still taking off, so I readjusted my priorities and aborted the
> take-off as
> I really have no idea, nor any interest in finding out what it would
> do if I
> didn't get it re-latched tight.
>
> I apparently didn't get the handle twisted all the way over center when
> closing it, because I could find nothing wrong with it, and it worked
> fine
> for the rest of the day. It is nice to know that it will talk to you
> right
> about the time you are thinking about pulling back on the stick.
>
> W
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
40 KIAS???--Oh--on take-off--my apologies.
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 10:18 PM, Wheeler North wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> Well,
>
> today was a great day to celebrate 100 years of powered flight by
> flying
> around Southern California. I did have one incident though. At about
> 40 kts
> taking off from Big Bear the canpoy latch popped open. It didn't
> unlatch but
> the overcenter was un-overcentered.
>
> The interesting thing was that it made loud pop noise, then things got
> abnormally windy. I saw the handle and went to reclose it, but the
> plane was
> still taking off, so I readjusted my priorities and aborted the
> take-off as
> I really have no idea, nor any interest in finding out what it would
> do if I
> didn't get it re-latched tight.
>
> I apparently didn't get the handle twisted all the way over center when
> closing it, because I could find nothing wrong with it, and it worked
> fine
> for the rest of the day. It is nice to know that it will talk to you
> right
> about the time you are thinking about pulling back on the stick.
>
> W
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
do not archive
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