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1. 06:22 AM - The Night Before Christmas, RV Style (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com)
2. 07:03 AM - Re:Camloc Fasteners RV6 (Rick Galati)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: The Night Before Christmas, RV Style (C. Rabaut)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: The Night Before Christmas, RV Style (DWENSING@aol.com)
5. 08:08 AM - Re: Jacking up gear legs for wheel mtnce. (JDaniel343@aol.com)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: Loud Radio (Kosta Lewis)
7. 09:07 AM - more comfy tools (Brian Denk)
8. 11:56 AM - Re: Jacking up gear legs for wheel mtnce. (Dave Bristol)
9. 01:49 PM - Re: Jacking up gear legs for wheel mtnce. (JDaniel343@aol.com)
10. 02:49 PM - Re: more comfy tools (Jim Jewell)
11. 03:08 PM - Intermittent Internet Connectivity Issues to Matronics... (Matt Dralle)
12. 04:37 PM - Re: Jacking up gear legs for wheel mtnce. (Dave Bristol)
13. 05:00 PM - Bob Archer, the antenna expert. (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
14. 06:41 PM - Re: more comfy tools (Brian Denk)
15. 08:27 PM - Re: more comfy tools (Jim Jewell)
16. 08:27 PM - 4-40 plate nuts (Darwin N. Barrie)
17. 08:30 PM - 4-40 plate nuts (disregard) (Darwin N. Barrie)
18. 09:39 PM - Re: more comfy tools (JOHN STARN)
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| Subject: | The Night Before Christmas, RV Style |
12/23/2003 09:16:45 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
Friends,
My wife Barbara put the following yarn together...I guess this means that
she is becoming one of us. Thanks go out to my Columbia SC friends (James
Clark, Patty Gillies and Ken Harrill) for giving her the $70k ride that
evidently has set the hook.
T'was the night before Christmas, and all through the garage,
More and more plane parts, now a new fuselage!
The rivets were placed in their cabinets with care,
We hoped that even more plane parts soon would appear.
The young one was nestled, all snug in her bed,
While visions of flying high danced in her head!
And ma' with her crafts, and I with Van's book,
Had just settled down, to dream and to look.
When out in the garage, there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my chair to see what was the matter!
Away to the garage, I flew through the air,
Set off the alarm, and caused quite a scare!
The light in the garage reflected on the wings of that plane,
It brought tears to my eyes that I could not explain!
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a Van's aircraft mechanic with all of my gear!
That wonderful mechanic was no Old St. Nick,
But promised that we would build that plane quick!
The canopy, seats, avionics, propeller,
He even brought Lycoming, I love that young fellow!
He said not a word as he went to his task,
Bucking and riveting, what more could I ask?
With such quick, perfect rivets, would've taken me years,
Let me know that I really had nothing to fear!
And laying our tools aside, we arose,
"It's time to take this thing up, I suppose!"
We sprang to my plane, gave the prop it's first spin,
Taxied into the cul de sac, then into the wind!
And we loudly exclaimed as we flew out of sight,
"'Tis a happy Christmas, indeed, this plane sure flies right!!"
Do not archive
Don Alexander
RV-8 Fuselage under construction, waiting on a yet-to-be found
rich uncle to pass away so that I can pop for an engine...
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| Subject: | Re:Camloc Fasteners RV6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Camloc Fasteners RV6
From:
Mickey & Paula (mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com)
Date:
Sun Dec 21 - 5:04 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula" <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
Is there any dis-advantage to using the camloc fasteners
for the cowling rather than the hinges used in the plans?
It looks like the hinge pins would be a nuisance.
Mick,
Cost may be among the considerations here. Camloc kits can get relatively
expensive. You do have a couple of options though. As an inexpensive
alternative, I installed the hinges per plans except where the (curved) upper
cowl ties into the firewall flange. I fabricated a .050 strap similar in concept
to
what you would fab up if installing camloc receptacles but instead, installed a
total of 24 #8 floating nutplates around the perimeter using tooling (a nutplate
jig)
to assure quality and repeatability.
See http://www.eaa32.org/MembersProjects/Galati/galati.htm to see the strap.
The upper cowl is attached with #8 SS screws and stainless Tinnerman
washers. This arrangement has worked very well on my spam can and countless
other airplanes out there and in 14 years, I have not had to replace a single
nutplate. Cosmetically, the screws are no better or worse looking than camlocs
for less overall cost. Worn screws are a simple matter to discard and replace.
Admittedly if seconds count, in a head to head race with a camlock fitted cowl,
it will
take you a bit longer to remove using a power screw driver. That said, in a speed
race, both fastening systems would lose out to exceptionally installed hinges.
I'm not
absolutely certain, and I'm sure someone will offer up a dutiful correction if
I'm
wrong, but I *think* the EAA's Young Eagle RV-6As use screws and nutplates to
attach the entire cowl. In the end, you do have a couple of viable options.
Rick Galati RV-6A Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: The Night Before Christmas, RV Style |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Don & Barbara,
Sorry, but this will be & should be Archived. Thank you all for
sharing our "RV-grin" and
Merry Christmas to you all,
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: <Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com>
> Friends,
> My wife Barbara put the following yarn together...I guess this means that
> she is becoming one of us. Thanks go out to my Columbia SC friends (James
> Clark, Patty Gillies and Ken Harrill) for giving her the $70k ride that
> evidently has set the hook.
>
> T'was the night before Christmas, and all through the garage,
> More and more plane parts, now a new fuselage!
> The rivets were placed in their cabinets with care,
> We hoped that even more plane parts soon would appear.
> The young one was nestled, all snug in her bed,
> While visions of flying high danced in her head!
> And ma' with her crafts, and I with Van's book,
> Had just settled down, to dream and to look.
> When out in the garage, there arose such a clatter,
> I sprang from my chair to see what was the matter!
> Away to the garage, I flew through the air,
> Set off the alarm, and caused quite a scare!
> The light in the garage reflected on the wings of that plane,
> It brought tears to my eyes that I could not explain!
> When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
> But a Van's aircraft mechanic with all of my gear!
> That wonderful mechanic was no Old St. Nick,
> But promised that we would build that plane quick!
> The canopy, seats, avionics, propeller,
> He even brought Lycoming, I love that young fellow!
> He said not a word as he went to his task,
> Bucking and riveting, what more could I ask?
> With such quick, perfect rivets, would've taken me years,
> Let me know that I really had nothing to fear!
> And laying our tools aside, we arose,
> "It's time to take this thing up, I suppose!"
> We sprang to my plane, gave the prop it's first spin,
> Taxied into the cul de sac, then into the wind!
> And we loudly exclaimed as we flew out of sight,
> "'Tis a happy Christmas, indeed, this plane sure flies
right!!"
>
> Do not archive
> Don Alexander
> RV-8 Fuselage under construction, waiting on a yet-to-be found
> rich uncle to pass away so that I can pop for an engine...
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| Subject: | Re: The Night Before Christmas, RV Style |
--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
Thanks Don and Barbara! Enjoyed your RV version.
You could rename it the RV Christmas Wish. But, then we wouldn't have all the
frustrations - I mean fun - of the travel thru building time!
Happy Holidays
Dale Ensing
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up gear legs for wheel mtnce. |
--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
i WNET TO THE LOCAL STEEL YARD, BOUGHT A 7/8" ROUND STEEL BAR 2FT LONG. PLUGS INTO
THE AXLE WITH ENOUGH ROOM UNDERNEATH TO SLIDE A FLOOR JACK.
jOHN dANIELSON
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
<<<<<<<FBO radio man a while back said
he always knows it's me because the radio broadcast is so loud. Gotta
love it. >>>>>>
>>Hey Mikey, me thinks its not the radio that's so loud. You're the only
guy
at OSH that needs no radio.
Yeah, well, it's loud to keep smozos like you in line out there in the
airplane wild............
Michael
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| Subject: | more comfy tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Listers,
In the never ending quest to make sheet metal work more pleasant, I bought a
can of "Plasti-dip" at Harbor Freight and coated the handles of my cleco
pliers. Neat stuff! Sometimes just the thought of handling ice cold metal
tools during a wintertime building session is enough to make you want to
stay on the couch.
It took three dips to get a good thickness on the handles. I also bought a
can of the stuff in aerosol can to spray the grip of my air drill and maybe
the rivet gun too. A 14 oz can of the dip is $7, and I found it in red,
yellow, black and clear.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 51
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up gear legs for wheel mtnce. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
John,
That should work great in the shop but how about when you have a problem
in the middle of Oklahoma? That's a lot of extra weight to carry around
in the baggage compartment.
Dave
JDaniel343@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
>i WNET TO THE LOCAL STEEL YARD, BOUGHT A 7/8" ROUND STEEL BAR 2FT LONG. PLUGS
INTO THE AXLE WITH ENOUGH ROOM UNDERNEATH TO SLIDE A FLOOR JACK.
>jOHN dANIELSON
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up gear legs for wheel mtnce. |
--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
I really only use this in the shop, but I don't think it weighs any more than the
thing Avery sells.
John Danielson
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| Subject: | Re: more comfy tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
High Brian,
Another option for comfy tools:
Early on in my quest to build my 6A (horizontal stab) I encountered severe
pain in my hand that radiated up my into arm when using the bare handled
cleco pliers. I also noted that the bare handles where cold and tended to
slip out of my grasp. because of the potential for damaging skins etc. I
chose to cut lengths of the glue filled heat shrink and apply them to the
cleco plier handles.
After doing this I noticed the pains went away, the pliers where warmer to
the hand and they stayed in hand better reducing the likelihood of dropped
tool damage a bit.
I had a screwdriver that seemed to hit the same nerve and the heat shrink
improved that situation as well.
The best of the season to all!,
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: more comfy tools
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> In the never ending quest to make sheet metal work more pleasant, I bought
a
> can of "Plasti-dip" at Harbor Freight and coated the handles of my cleco
> pliers. Neat stuff! Sometimes just the thought of handling ice cold
metal
> tools during a wintertime building session is enough to make you want to
> stay on the couch.
>
> It took three dips to get a good thickness on the handles. I also bought
a
> can of the stuff in aerosol can to spray the grip of my air drill and
maybe
> the rivet gun too. A 14 oz can of the dip is $7, and I found it in red,
> yellow, black and clear.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 51
>
>
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| Subject: | Intermittent Internet Connectivity Issues to Matronics... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Starting at about 1:05pm PDT Matronics starting having intermittent
connectivity issues to the Internet. I've called the ISP and they are
looking into the problem and may do intrusive testing on the line at some
point this afternoon/evening. For the most part, things seem to be working
right now, but the line will drop out every once in a while for 2 to 3 minutes.
This problem will effect connections to the Matronics Web server as well as
distribution of List mail.
I will post a follow up when the problem has been resolved... Hopefully
later today.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up gear legs for wheel mtnce. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
I wasn't knocking your idea John, in fact I agree - why buy something
fancy when something simple will suffice. My point was why carry a
special tool when a clamp that weighs only a couple of ounces, fastened
to the gear leg, will work perfectly with almost any jack, in the shop
or in the middle of Oklahoma.
Dave
JDaniel343@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
>I really only use this in the shop, but I don't think it weighs any more than
the thing Avery sells.
>John Danielson
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Bob Archer, the antenna expert. |
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
If any of you have a concern about the installation of your antenna(s),
please give Bob Archer a call. He is very willing to discuss whatever antenna
installation you have, or would like to have.
Bob's phone number is (310) 316-8796.
You may get an answering machine. Just leave your name and number, so he can
call you back.
There are more ways to install an antenna wrong, than there are correct ways.
It's too frustration for me to even think of all the antenna problems friends
of mine have created for themselves over the years.
At least by talking to Bob, you'll have a good chance of creating a good
antenna installation.
Jim Ayers
PS I have more stories about antennas than I have heard about Ivoprop.
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| Subject: | Re: more comfy tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>High Brian,
>
>Another option for comfy tools:
>Early on in my quest to build my 6A (horizontal stab) I encountered severe
>pain in my hand that radiated up my into arm when using the bare handled
>cleco pliers. I also noted that the bare handles where cold and tended to
>slip out of my grasp. because of the potential for damaging skins etc. I
>chose to cut lengths of the glue filled heat shrink and apply them to the
>cleco plier handles.
>After doing this I noticed the pains went away, the pliers where warmer to
>the hand and they stayed in hand better reducing the likelihood of dropped
>tool damage a bit.
>I had a screwdriver that seemed to hit the same nerve and the heat shrink
>improved that situation as well.
>
>The best of the season to all!,
>
>Jim in Kelowna
Yet another neat Idea, Jim. Thanks. Now if I can just figure out how to
heat up the frosty cold air that comes zipping through my air tools out of
that frigid tank of compressed air...
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: more comfy tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Brian,
I assume you are talking about the cooling or icing effect on the grips of
the air tools.
How good are you at leather work?
Might it be possible to make laced on leather grip covers to somewhat
insulate those tools?
Otherwise, would something like a golf glove or what have you help a bit?
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: more comfy tools
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >High Brian,
> >
> >Another option for comfy tools:
> >Early on in my quest to build my 6A (horizontal stab) I encountered
severe
> >pain in my hand that radiated up my into arm when using the bare handled
> >cleco pliers. I also noted that the bare handles where cold and tended to
> >slip out of my grasp. because of the potential for damaging skins etc. I
> >chose to cut lengths of the glue filled heat shrink and apply them to the
> >cleco plier handles.
> >After doing this I noticed the pains went away, the pliers where warmer
to
> >the hand and they stayed in hand better reducing the likelihood of
dropped
> >tool damage a bit.
> >I had a screwdriver that seemed to hit the same nerve and the heat shrink
> >improved that situation as well.
> >
> >The best of the season to all!,
> >
> >Jim in Kelowna
>
> Yet another neat Idea, Jim. Thanks. Now if I can just figure out how to
> heat up the frosty cold air that comes zipping through my air tools out of
> that frigid tank of compressed air...
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
>
> do not archive
>
>
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<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I'm looking for a source for 4-40 plate nuts. These are the same ones that Cleveland
uses in the wingtip attach kit. I have sent them an email to see if I can
just buy the plate nuts. ACS smallest version is 6-32.
Anyone know of another source?
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | 4-40 plate nuts (disregard) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
ACS hard catalog doesn't have them, the online version does and it finally came
back on line!!
Thanks,
Darwin
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| Subject: | Re: more comfy tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
In the temped area of So. Cal we use a 60 watt bulb in a drop cord placed
under the tank over night with a blanket/towel etc. draped over the top of
the tank. Keeps the tank warm and a cheap hair dryer on low the next day
pointed at the compressors intake. Not sure how well this would work in
really cold areas. Also you can get a can of stuff that "sparkies" use to
coat their tools handles just like the channel lock stuff and it comes in
lots of colors. You can even mix colors on the same handle. Ya dunk it in,
let it dry, cut off the end tip (1/2 or any amount you choose) and dunk the
exposed area into another color and shazam you identified "your" tools.
KABONG (GBA) Merry Christmas to all. 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: more comfy tools
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >High Brian,
> >
> >Another option for comfy tools:
> >Early on in my quest to build my 6A (horizontal stab) I encountered
severe
> >pain in my hand that radiated up my into arm when using the bare handled
> >cleco pliers. I also noted that the bare handles where cold and tended to
> >slip out of my grasp. because of the potential for damaging skins etc. I
> >chose to cut lengths of the glue filled heat shrink and apply them to the
> >cleco plier handles.
> >After doing this I noticed the pains went away, the pliers where warmer
to
> >the hand and they stayed in hand better reducing the likelihood of
dropped
> >tool damage a bit.
> >I had a screwdriver that seemed to hit the same nerve and the heat shrink
> >improved that situation as well.
> >
> >The best of the season to all!,
> >
> >Jim in Kelowna
>
> Yet another neat Idea, Jim. Thanks. Now if I can just figure out how to
> heat up the frosty cold air that comes zipping through my air tools out of
> that frigid tank of compressed air...
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
>
> do not archive
>
>
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