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1. 07:53 AM - Bob Archer, the antenna expert. (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
2. 07:59 AM - RV-List Gear leg fairings (smoothweasel@juno.com)
3. 08:34 AM - Re: Bob Archer, the antenna expert. (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
4. 08:59 AM - Re: 4-40 plate nuts (Kosta Lewis)
5. 08:59 AM - Riveting wing leading edge ribs...anyone use pop rivets? (Jerry Howell)
6. 09:00 AM - Re: 4-40 plate nuts (Vanremog@aol.com)
7. 09:29 AM - AOL (was: Bob Archer, the antenna expert.) (Richard Tasker)
8. 09:31 AM - Re: RV-List Gear leg fairings (WPAerial@aol.com)
9. 09:44 AM - F-631 cabin frame (Jim Bower)
10. 10:27 AM - Re: 4-40 plate nuts (Richard Meske)
11. 11:17 AM - Re: [Continues] Intermittent Internet Connectivity Issues to (Matt Dralle)
12. 12:48 PM - Re: 4-40 plate nuts (Darwin N. Barrie)
13. 12:48 PM - Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Jeff Peltier)
14. 12:54 PM - Re: 4-40 plate nuts (Darwin N. Barrie)
15. 12:56 PM - Re: 4-40 plate nuts (Darwin N. Barrie)
16. 01:31 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Jerry Springer)
17. 01:50 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Brian Denk)
18. 02:02 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Mickey Coggins)
19. 02:12 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Ralph E. Capen)
20. 02:24 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Mickey Coggins)
21. 02:39 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (van Bladeren, Ron)
22. 03:18 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (van Bladeren, Ron)
23. 04:14 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Jerry Springer)
24. 04:52 PM - Re: F-631 cabin frame (dcarter@datarecall.net)
25. 05:37 PM - Re: RV and Ballastic Chute (Ed Anderson)
26. 06:03 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Ralph E. Capen)
27. 06:19 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Karie Daniel)
28. 06:43 PM - Re: F-631 cabin frame (Genev E Reed)
29. 06:47 PM - Pneumatic rivet squeezer (plaurence@the-beach.net)
30. 09:09 PM - Elevator bolt ?s / Misc. ()
31. 09:27 PM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs (Rob Prior)
32. 09:52 PM - Ballistic parachutes (jack eckdahl)
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| Subject: | Bob Archer, the antenna expert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
If any of you have a concern about the installation of your antenna(s),
please give Bob Archer a call. He is very willing to discuss whatever antenna
installation you have, or would like to have.
Bob's phone number is (310) 316-8796.
You may get an answering machine. Just leave your name and number, so he can
call you back.
There are more ways to install an antenna wrong, than there are correct ways.
It's too frustration for me to even think of all the antenna problems friends
of mine have created for themselves over the years.
At least by talking to Bob, you'll have a good chance of creating a good
antenna installation.
Jim Ayers
PS I have more stories about antennas than I have heard about Ivoprop. :-)
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| Subject: | RV-List Gear leg fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
Hello All, I am still doing the prep work before painting and in
working on the intersection fairing from the cowling/fuselage to the gear
leg fairing it came to mind that this intersection is susceptible to some
amount of movement as the gear flexes i.e. landing , rough terrain ect.
It seems to me that where the fairing meets the cowl it would eventually
start wearing the paint off......??? Should I use some of that clear
tape that is used on the flap joint or is this not a problem?
do not archive
Joel "Weasel" Graber
-4 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Archer, the antenna expert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Sorry about the multiple postings.
I'm using AOL 9.0.
Sometimes it sends the message and says so.
Sometimes it sends the message, and doesn't say so.
Sometimes it doesn't send the message.
Sometimes it just lock up my computer.
For this message, I had all of the above happen.
Sorry.
Jim Ayers
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>>>I'm looking for a source for 4-40 plate nuts. These are the same ones
that Cleveland uses in the wingtip attach kit.
When you get the screws that attach the wing tips, get twice the number
you think you will need as they are easy to strip out and you'll wind up
needing extra. IMHO.
Michael
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| Subject: | Riveting wing leading edge ribs...anyone use pop rivets? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Howell <jehowell@tampabay.rr.com>
I'm having the expected trouble riveting the leading edge ribs on my
RV-7 wings....the list archives spell out various techniques involving
grinding down offset rivet sets, use of hockey tape, manufacturing
special bucking bars to enable back riveting etc. It occurs to me that
it would be extremely simple to just use pop rivets. Has anyone done
this? Would there be reduced structural integrity? Is there any
reason not to, other than one's sense of aesthetics? Is there a
recommended pop-rivet spec to use?
Thanks,
Jerry
RV-7A
Wings
Tampa, FL
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| Subject: | Re: 4-40 plate nuts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 12/23/2003 8:29:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ktlkrn@cox.net writes:
I'm looking for a source for 4-40 plate nuts. These are the same ones that
Cleveland uses in the wingtip attach kit. I have sent them an email to see if I
can just buy the plate nuts.
How many do you need. I have some of the floating type that I would be glad
to send you.
GV (RV-6A flying 675 hrs)
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| Subject: | Bob Archer, the antenna expert.) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
Maybe you should take the hint and get a real ISP :-) !
Do not archive.
Dick Tasker
LeastDrag93066@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
>Sorry about the multiple postings.
>
>I'm using AOL 9.0.
>Sometimes it sends the message and says so.
>Sometimes it sends the message, and doesn't say so.
>Sometimes it doesn't send the message.
>Sometimes it just lock up my computer.
>
>For this message, I had all of the above happen.
>
>Sorry.
>
>Jim Ayers
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Gear leg fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
on the 6 it is screwed on. not much slip
do not archive
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| Subject: | F-631 cabin frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Bower" <rvbuilder@hotmail.com>
I am proceeding very cautiously with the F-631 cabin frame (roll bar) for my
RV-6A tip-up. The plans call out a nominal width measurement and what seems
to be a strict height measurement. My fuselage is slightly wider at the
F-605 bulkhead than normal, but I set up the F-631 width to compensate for
that. To do this, I attached blocks to my work surface that define the
width and height.
The problem is this: As expected, there is a gap at the top center
(shouldn't be a problem), but at the bottom, the inboard corners are about
1/8" higher than the outboard corners, which prevents the F-631 from lying
flat on the structure.
Should I trim this angle so the entire bottom of the F-631 sits flat? If I
do, the overall height measurement will be a little lower than is called
out. Am I worried too much?
Thanks in advance for the help, and I want to wish everybody a Merry
Christmas (or whatever you celebrate this time of year), and a Happy New
Year.
Jim Bower
St. Louis
RV-6A N143DJ
Expand your wine savvy and get some great new recipes at MSN Wine.
http://wine.msn.com
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| From: | Richard Meske <rmeske@gcfn.org> (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmeske) by www.gcfn.org with HTTP; Wed, |
24 Dec 2003 13:26:41.-0500@matronics.com (EST)
| Subject: | Re: 4-40 plate nuts |
If you check the Matronics archives, there was a guy that purchased a batch
earlier from Wicks on a special order. Just read it today.
Rich
Aircraft Extras, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: [Continues] Intermittent Internet Connectivity Issues to |
Matronics...
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Pacbell is suppose to be working the Matronics connectivity issue this
morning. Intermittent connectivity is still a issue although things are
better than yesterday. They will probably be doing some intrusive testing
on the line later today which will disrupt connections during the test.
More information as it becomes available!
Thanks for your patience.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
At 02:59 PM 12/23/2003 Tuesday, you wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>Starting at about 1:05pm PDT Matronics starting having intermittent
>connectivity issues to the Internet. I've called the ISP and they are
>looking into the problem and may do intrusive testing on the line at some
>point this afternoon/evening. For the most part, things seem to be
>working right now, but the line will drop out every once in a while for 2
>to 3 minutes.
>
>This problem will effect connections to the Matronics Web server as well
>as distribution of List mail.
>
>I will post a follow up when the problem has been resolved... Hopefully
>later today.
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Admin.
>
>do not archive
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: 4-40 plate nuts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
.Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Meske (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmeske) by
www.gcfn.org with HTTP" <rmeske@gcfn.org>; <Wed>; <24 Dec 2003
13:26:41.-0500@matronics.com (EST)>
Subject: Re: RV-List: 4-40 plate nuts
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Meske <rmeske@gcfn.org>
Dec 2003 13:26:41 -0500 (EST)
>
> If you check the Matronics archives, there was a guy that purchased a
batch
> earlier from Wicks on a special order. Just read it today.
>
> Rich
> Aircraft Extras, Inc.
>
>
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| Subject: | Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier <jeffpeltier@brsparachutes.com>
Hello RV owners,
Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years, we've
currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of BRS
ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull tests,
and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the various
tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear from
you.
Jeff Peltier
Design Engineer
BRS INC.
(651)457-7491
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| Subject: | Re: 4-40 plate nuts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I need almost 80. I think I found them at ACS. They were listed in the
on-line catalog but not the hard copy.
Darwin
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vanremog@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: 4-40 plate nuts
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/23/2003 8:29:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> ktlkrn@cox.net writes:
> I'm looking for a source for 4-40 plate nuts. These are the same ones that
> Cleveland uses in the wingtip attach kit. I have sent them an email to see
if I
> can just buy the plate nuts.
> How many do you need. I have some of the floating type that I would be
glad
> to send you.
>
>
> GV (RV-6A flying 675 hrs)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 4-40 plate nuts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I have gotten in the habit of "seasoning" all nut plates by using a steel
socket head screw and some Boelube. Seems to loosen them up for easier final
installation.
Darwin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: 4-40 plate nuts
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
> >>>I'm looking for a source for 4-40 plate nuts. These are the same ones
> that Cleveland uses in the wingtip attach kit.
>
> When you get the screws that attach the wing tips, get twice the number
> you think you will need as they are easy to strip out and you'll wind up
> needing extra. IMHO.
>
> Michael
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Very few accidents in RVs are such that a ballistic a chute would have
helped. I realize that there were a
couple structure failures that would have MAYBE saved a pilot but over
all you are wasting your time.
IMO!!!
Jerry
Jeff Peltier wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier <jeffpeltier@brsparachutes.com>
>
>Hello RV owners,
>Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years, we've
>currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of BRS
>ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
>purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull tests,
>and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the various
>tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
>comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
>aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear from
>you.
>
>
>Jeff Peltier
>Design Engineer
>BRS INC.
>(651)457-7491
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Fully agreed. BRS is a total waste of time, money, and useful load. I can
just see it now..."oh don't mind that big lump of stuff back there Mr. First
Time RV rider, it's just an EXPLOSIVE parachute that I hope will never go
off when I key the mike or get near a thundershower."
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
no stinkin' explosive charged parachutes on my airplane.
do not archive
>Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:27:56 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>Very few accidents in RVs are such that a ballistic a chute would have
>helped. I realize that there were a
>couple structure failures that would have MAYBE saved a pilot but over
>all you are wasting your time.
>IMO!!!
>
>Jerry
>
>Jeff Peltier wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier
><jeffpeltier@brsparachutes.com>
> >
> >Hello RV owners,
> >Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years,
>we've
> >currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of BRS
> >ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
> >purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull tests,
> >and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the
>various
> >tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
> >comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
> >aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear
>from
> >you.
> >
> >
> >Jeff Peltier
> >Design Engineer
> >BRS INC.
> >(651)457-7491
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Jeff,
Great news. I'll bite.
How about the RV8?
Can this be installed as a retrofit?
Mickey
>Hello RV owners,
>Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years, we've
>currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of BRS
>ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
>purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull tests,
>and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the various
>tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
>comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
>aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear from
>you.
>
>
>Jeff Peltier
>Design Engineer
>BRS INC.
>(651)457-7491
--
Mickey Coggins
GSM: +41-79-210-3762
FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007
Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I would think the -10 would give you the best potential for customers - but
I have a friend that would fly in my 6A if I had one of those chutes.....
my .02
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Peltier" <jeffpeltier@BRSparachutes.com>
Subject: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier
<jeffpeltier@brsparachutes.com>
>
> Hello RV owners,
> Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years,
we've
> currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of BRS
> ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
> purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull tests,
> and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the
various
> tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
> comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
> aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear
from
> you.
>
>
> Jeff Peltier
> Design Engineer
> BRS INC.
> (651)457-7491
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Jerry,
What about the flights into IMC that we seem
to have too often? Wouldn't a chute work in
that situation, assuming of course the pilot
realized that s/he was in trouble?
Mickey
>Very few accidents in RVs are such that a ballistic a chute would have
>helped. I realize that there were a
>couple structure failures that would have MAYBE saved a pilot but over
>all you are wasting your time.
>IMO!!!
>
>Jerry
--
Mickey Coggins
GSM: +41-79-210-3762
FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007
Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive
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| Subject: | Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
You fellas are missing the point. The benefit of the BRS is not necessarily
it's ability to save your butt after you've overstressed the airframe but
it's ability to give you another option to arrive safely on the ground when
you're unable to do so for what ever reason. For example, most weather
related fatal accidents could have been prevented if the pilot had been able
to say "I give up" and reach forward to pull a red handle allowing him one
last GOOD chance to survive.
--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
We've all read countless stories here about pilots who have "iced up their
carb filters", "got stuck VFR on top with no instruments or rating", "lost
oil pressure over rough terrain", "engine failure at night" and on and
on.....all situations which require superior airmanship in order to get back
on the ground safely. And under these types of high pucker factor
situations, superior airmanship is quite allusive. Crap happens, and if you
fly long enough, it may happen to you.
Fact of the matter, with the exception of the RV-3 these are all two (and
four) seat aircraft and the responsibility we have as pilot-in-command to
see to it that that person sitting beside or behind us gets safely back on
the ground is paramount. If having that big lump of insurance requires me
to loss 20 pounds of excess gut to do so..... well, sounds like a prudent
thing to do.
Carry on Jeff!
Ron
RV-8A'er
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Denk [mailto:akroguy@hotmail.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Fully agreed. BRS is a total waste of time, money, and useful load. I can
just see it now..."oh don't mind that big lump of stuff back there Mr. First
Time RV rider, it's just an EXPLOSIVE parachute that I hope will never go
off when I key the mike or get near a thundershower."
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
no stinkin' explosive charged parachutes on my airplane.
do not archive
>Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:27:56 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>Very few accidents in RVs are such that a ballistic a chute would have
>helped. I realize that there were a
>couple structure failures that would have MAYBE saved a pilot but over
>all you are wasting your time.
>IMO!!!
>
>Jerry
>
>Jeff Peltier wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier
><jeffpeltier@brsparachutes.com>
> >
> >Hello RV owners,
> >Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years,
>we've
> >currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of BRS
> >ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
> >purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull tests,
> >and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the
>various
> >tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
> >comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
> >aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear
>from
> >you.
> >
> >
> >Jeff Peltier
> >Design Engineer
> >BRS INC.
> >(651)457-7491
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
It would seem reasonable to me to have an agency such as the EAA petition
the FAA to allow aircraft with BRS installed to perform aerobatics WITHOUT
it's occupants having to wear parachutes!!!
--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
Now THAT would be a great deal!
Ron.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mickey Coggins [mailto:mick-matronics@rv8.ch]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Jerry,
What about the flights into IMC that we seem
to have too often? Wouldn't a chute work in
that situation, assuming of course the pilot
realized that s/he was in trouble?
Mickey
>Very few accidents in RVs are such that a ballistic a chute would have
>helped. I realize that there were a
>couple structure failures that would have MAYBE saved a pilot but over
>all you are wasting your time.
>IMO!!!
>
>Jerry
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#82007
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Hi Ralph does your friend fly in anything without a ballistic chute?
What is he afraid of?
Jerry
do not archive
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
>I would think the -10 would give you the best potential for customers - but
>I have a friend that would fly in my 6A if I had one of those chutes.....
>
>my .02
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff Peltier" <jeffpeltier@BRSparachutes.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier
>>
>>
><jeffpeltier@brsparachutes.com>
>
>
>>Hello RV owners,
>>Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years,
>>
>>
>we've
>
>
>>currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of BRS
>>ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
>>purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull tests,
>>and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the
>>
>>
>various
>
>
>>tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
>>comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
>>aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear
>>
>>
>from
>
>
>>you.
>>
>>
>>Jeff Peltier
>>Design Engineer
>>BRS INC.
>>(651)457-7491
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-631 cabin frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: dcarter@datarecall.net
Jim, does your plans say position the brace 1/4 inch below top center of roll
bar? If so, then Van's has again ignored "free support" from builders who
point out errors in their drawings. If it shows 13/16ths or something on that
order, then they have fixed the error.
I used Intellicad to create a the side view of fuselage in that area and the
roll bar and brace, etc. Sent it to Van's - never a response.
I'm away from home for Christmas until the following Sat, Sun, or Mon so don't
have my exact measurement.
You are on the right track laying out a pattern on the workbench and putting
in physical blocks to hold the width dimension for the two "feet". You need a
line and block at top center, with a line below to show the height "from feet
to top" - which you have to calculate with trig since they don't show that
dimension in the plane of the roll bar.
Mine is finished and fits perfectly on the fuselage.
Give me a call on my cell phone 409-718-8518 or at my son's home 512-266-6955.
David Carter
RV-6 tip-up
Nederland, Texas
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Bower" <rvbuilder@hotmail.com>
>
> I am proceeding very cautiously with the F-631 cabin frame (roll bar) for my
> RV-6A tip-up. The plans call out a nominal width measurement and what seems
> to be a strict height measurement. My fuselage is slightly wider at the
> F-605 bulkhead than normal, but I set up the F-631 width to compensate for
> that. To do this, I attached blocks to my work surface that define the
> width and height.
>
> The problem is this: As expected, there is a gap at the top center
> (shouldn't be a problem), but at the bottom, the inboard corners are about
> 1/8" higher than the outboard corners, which prevents the F-631 from lying
> flat on the structure.
>
> Should I trim this angle so the entire bottom of the F-631 sits flat? If I
> do, the overall height measurement will be a little lower than is called
> out. Am I worried too much?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help, and I want to wish everybody a Merry
> Christmas (or whatever you celebrate this time of year), and a Happy New
> Year.
>
> Jim Bower
> St. Louis
> RV-6A N143DJ
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| Subject: | Re: RV and Ballastic Chute |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> I don't know if the RV crowd is that good a market for the ballistic
> chute. I have a total of 12 minutes glider time in an RV over two
> occasions all resulting in a safe, no-damage touch-down. One after a 12
> Miles glide from 9500 MSL. I personally, would not have been tempted to
use
> the ballistic chute, had one been installed.
>
> However, I can imagine scenarios where they might be more appealing.
> Certainly, if I found myself in IFR conditions and on verge of losing
> control the chute would undoubtedly have appeal as a "last chance". I
think
> that perhaps the RV-10 might be a more likely market for the chute.
Nothing
> against the chute, I know it has saved a number of lives. But, its just
not
> for me in an RV-6. I suspect that should I ever really want it that I
would
> be in a situation that it would be outside a reliable deployment envelope.
>
> FW
>
> Sincerely
>
> Ed Anderson
>
>
> Ed Anderson
> RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Only commercial - and then only rarely - don't know the basis of the fear -
only got the comment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Ralph does your friend fly in anything without a ballistic chute?
> What is he afraid of?
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
> Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> >
> >I would think the -10 would give you the best potential for customers -
but
> >I have a friend that would fly in my 6A if I had one of those chutes.....
> >
> >my .02
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jeff Peltier" <jeffpeltier@BRSparachutes.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier
> >>
> >>
> ><jeffpeltier@brsparachutes.com>
> >
> >
> >>Hello RV owners,
> >>Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years,
> >>
> >>
> >we've
> >
> >
> >>currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of
BRS
> >>ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
> >>purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull
tests,
> >>and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the
> >>
> >>
> >various
> >
> >
> >>tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
> >>comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
> >>aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear
> >>
> >>
> >from
> >
> >
> >>you.
> >>
> >>
> >>Jeff Peltier
> >>Design Engineer
> >>BRS INC.
> >>(651)457-7491
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
If a BRS wasn't cost or weight prohibitive I would be interested. It's
already proven to save lives, I curious if it would lower insurance premiums
also? It could pay for it's self over a few years if so.
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
Sammamish, WA.
Merry Christmas All!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Peltier" <jeffpeltier@BRSparachutes.com>
Subject: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier
<jeffpeltier@brsparachutes.com>
>
> Hello RV owners,
> Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years,
we've
> currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of BRS
> ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
> purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull tests,
> and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the
various
> tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
> comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
> aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear
from
> you.
>
>
> Jeff Peltier
> Design Engineer
> BRS INC.
> (651)457-7491
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-631 cabin frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: Genev E Reed <genevreed@juno.com>
Jim: The hight of your roll bar critical. Don't drill the roll bar in
untill you are sure of the height. Also make sure the angle is correct.
The bottom will take care of itself. I've built two RVs with tip-up
canopy's and both could have been better.
Doyle RV7A 160hrs 180 Cspeed what an awsome airplane.
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| Subject: | Pneumatic rivet squeezer |
--> RV-List message posted by: plaurence@the-beach.net
Hi All,
Looking to purchase a Pneumatic rivet squeezer.
Anyone wanting to sell, please email at -
plaurence@the-beach.net
thanks
peter
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| Subject: | Elevator bolt ?s / Misc. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Do not archive
All,
Sorry to waste list bandwidth on this...but I am out of pocket till after the 1st
of the year and would like to get a Vans order in prior to that. Needing some
help on a few part numbers from those that have (7A) plans nearby:
* bolt/nut part number that attaches elevator c-weight (new style)
* bolt/nut that attaches elevator to HS
* wing tie-down AEX stock number
* Qty of proseal required to complete tanks. I have probably 7/8 of a quart jar
and curious if I need to order more
Thanks,
Scott Haskins
7A Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Karie Daniel wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
> It's
> already proven to save lives, I curious if it would lower insurance premiums
> also? It could pay for it's self over a few years if so.
I think it's only proven to have saved *one* life. And to have
malfunctioned or not been used in a couple of fatal accidents where it may
have been helpful. So the data isn't complete, by any means.
I'd rather take my chances on an off-field landing and rely on my skills as
a pilot. At least that way there's a *chance* that the airplane will be
salvageable. When you fire a BRS in a Cirrus, don't you retire the airframe?
-Rob
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Ballistic parachutes |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "jack eckdahl" <eckdahl@dellmail.com>
I have heard of two Cirrus aircraft where the parachutes saved the life of it's
occupant. One was clear VFR test flight after maintenance when a part (aileron)
fell off (I think). Many other small experimentals also. Seems like a good
idea to provide another measure of safety and another escape route for something
unexpected. Why not! Jack RV9A
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