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1. 04:50 AM - More EFIS information upcoming?? (Dana Overall)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: More EFIS information upcoming?? (Alex Peterson)
3. 08:40 AM - Re: of OAT probes and NACA ducts... (Dave Bristol)
4. 11:48 AM - Navaid/Garmin 196 (Neil Henderson)
5. 11:55 AM - Re: Navaid/Garmin 196 (Lenleg@aol.com)
6. 01:01 PM - Re: Navaid/Garmin 196 (Terry Watson)
7. 02:19 PM - AFP + FAB = ??? (Dan Checkoway)
8. 02:26 PM - Re: switch & circuit breaker hole ?? (Charlie Kuss)
9. 02:30 PM - Re: Yet another new engine (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
10. 04:38 PM - Re: Navaid/Garmin 196 (Gary & Carolyn Zilik)
11. 05:13 PM - Re: of OAT probes and NACA ducts... (Doug Weiler)
12. 07:13 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 08/01/03 (Parker Thomas)
13. 08:26 PM - Re: Carling toggle switch locking washer was switch & (Charlie Kuss)
14. 08:51 PM - Re: Yet another new engine (Brian Denk)
15. 09:52 PM - Wanted Tatco Squeezer (Michael Saffold)
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| Subject: | More EFIS information upcoming?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Here's a little spy note gang. Jim from TruTrack and Greg from Grand Rapid
Tech. met for dinner on Friday night to have "technical discussions". Dynon
is very vocal in their desire to expand into the engine monitering and
autopilot field. TruTrack was just as vocal in saying they will never share
information with Dynon because of this. Grand Rapids will be releasing
their EFIS later this year and TruTrack is "working on something new".
Looks like a litte "partnership" in the making.
BTW, I haven't read all the posts yet while I was at Oshkosh so this may be
old news. Dynon did have their larger screen there. I bought the Grand
Rapids EIS plus probes and will be getting their engine monitering graphic
screen. My Dynon is supposed to be here next week but I will place the
Grand Rapid screen where is could be transformed into an EFIS
if...................
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | More EFIS information upcoming?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Jim told me that he thought Grand Rapids had the best IFIS
thoughts/plans/designs when he was at our forum in May. In fact, he
flew there after our forum to talk with them. Jim knows of what he
speaks in this field. For those of you who don't know of Jim Younkin,
he is living aviation history. How many people do you know who have
started a company when they are in their seventies?
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 331 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:49 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: More EFIS information upcoming??
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Here's a little spy note gang. Jim from TruTrack and Greg
> from Grand Rapid
> Tech. met for dinner on Friday night to have "technical
> discussions". Dynon
> is very vocal in their desire to expand into the engine
> monitering and
> autopilot field. TruTrack was just as vocal in saying they
> will never share
> information with Dynon because of this. Grand Rapids will be
> releasing
> their EFIS later this year and TruTrack is "working on
> something new".
> Looks like a litte "partnership" in the making.
>
> BTW, I haven't read all the posts yet while I was at Oshkosh
> so this may be
> old news. Dynon did have their larger screen there. I
> bought the Grand
> Rapids EIS plus probes and will be getting their engine
> monitering graphic
> screen. My Dynon is supposed to be here next week but I will
> place the
> Grand Rapid screen where is could be transformed into an EFIS
> if...................
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments
> http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: of OAT probes and NACA ducts... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
How do you know if you have an error or not? Without another probe in a
known good (known to be accurate) location, you don't have a reference.
Of course we're talking about "in flight" not on the ground.
Dave RV6 (probe under the wing)
Norman Hunger wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Norman Hunger" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
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>
>
>>I have my temperature probe in the NACA duct on my 6A, and see zero
>>error. Really. Some do see a lot of error.
>>
>>
>
>Some people see no error while many others see a large error. I remember a
>thread on this a few years back. Some one who had the problem of his OAT
>reading high was able to fix it by insulating the back from the cabin
>interior. He claimed the miss reading is not from the cowl leaking but from
>the interior heat. Either way, putting it in the shade in the wing root
>fairing is what I plan to do.
>
>Norman Hunger
>RV6A Delta BC
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Navaid/Garmin 196 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
Listers
I'm waiting for delivery of an Navaid which I intend driving from a Garmin 196.
I would like to lay in the wiring and am wondering if anyone could help with
information on he connections required.
1) Assume there are 3 wires from the unit to the servo. Is this correct and
do they need to be screened.
2) Do you need one or two connection from the GPS. It would seem that all that
is required is the "Data Out" and assume "Data In" is not required?
3) I assumed the cable that came with the Garmin for plugging into a cigar lighter
could be used but after snipping it two find it's only 2 wire i.e Power
only. Does anyone know the Garmin part number for connector plug with a 4 wire
lead?
4) Other than Power and Ground are any other connections required.
Thanks in advance
Neil Henderson RV9-A Aylesbury-UK
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid/Garmin 196 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 8/3/2003 2:48:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
neil.mo51@btopenworld.com writes:
> I'm waiting for delivery of an Navaid which I intend driving from a Garmin
> 196. I would like to lay in the wiring and am wondering if anyone could help
> with information on he connections required.
>
> 1) Assume there are 3 wires from the unit to the servo. Is this correct
> and do they need to be screened.
>
> 2) Do you need one or two connection from the GPS. It would seem that all
> that is required is the "Data Out" and assume "Data In" is not required?
>
> 3) I assumed the cable that came with the Garmin for plugging into a cigar
> lighter could be used but after snipping it two find it's only 2 wire i.e
> Power only. Does anyone know the Garmin part number for connector plug with a
4
> wire lead?
>
> 4) Other than Power and Ground are any other connections required.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Neil Henderson RV9-A Aylesbury-UK
>
>
Garmin sells a cable just for this type of installation. I bought a data
cable and hooked up my 295 to the Navaid.
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
116 hours
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| Subject: | Navaid/Garmin 196 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Neil,
Here is a link directly to Garmin's page for part # 010-10082-00, which is
the power/data cable for the GPS-196, $27.96. I need just the power cable,
so I would give you $15 for the lighter cable you snipped in two. That way
we both get what we need for half price.
Terry
http://shop.garmin.com/accessory.jsp?sku=010%2D10082%2D00
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Neil Henderson
Subject: RV-List: Navaid/Garmin 196
--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
Listers
I'm waiting for delivery of an Navaid which I intend driving from a Garmin
196. I would like to lay in the wiring and am wondering if anyone could help
with information on he connections required.
1) Assume there are 3 wires from the unit to the servo. Is this correct
and do they need to be screened.
2) Do you need one or two connection from the GPS. It would seem that all
that is required is the "Data Out" and assume "Data In" is not required?
3) I assumed the cable that came with the Garmin for plugging into a cigar
lighter could be used but after snipping it two find it's only 2 wire i.e
Power only. Does anyone know the Garmin part number for connector plug with
a 4 wire lead?
4) Other than Power and Ground are any other connections required.
Thanks in advance
Neil Henderson RV9-A Aylesbury-UK
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Has anybody out there with AFP and horizontal induction phenagled the FAB to
work? Just curious what you came up with.
My IO-360 FAB has a flange on the back, but of course the AFP is just an
open barrel, so there's that to deal with. Then there's the assumption that
the AFP controller is longer than the Bendix, so the thing sticks out
further forward.
Think I'm resigned to chop off the bottom of the FAB and mold my own from
there down?
Thanks in advance,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: switch & circuit breaker hole ?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Bill,
There are several ways to accomplish this.
The professional way is to buy a Greenlee model #732 Radio chassis punch. This
tool makes the exact hole you need.
Alternately, B&C Products includes a form of what is known as a tab washer or French
Lock. This washer has the small tang protruding down in the switch hole
to lock into the key way on the switch. It has a second tab to lock into the panel.
You have to drill an 1/8" hole slightly above the main 1/2" hole in the
panel. This second tab fits into this hole. This effectively locks the switch
to the panel and prevents rotation. Does anyone on the list know of a vendor who
sells these items separately?
The third method is to purchase
>--> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
>
>Hello quick Question on some of my switches and circuit breakers I have. Some
>have a key slot or a flat spot on the threads to keep it from spinning in the
>panel. Should I drill a smaller hole and file the flat spots or key slots or
>is it not a problem and drill a hole to fit the switch which will save a lot
>of time? Thanks
>
>Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Yet another new engine
> Looks pretty neat, if it ever actually gets produced and priced
reasonably.
> Ok, so I'm not easily impressed by the new engine gurus out there. What
> ever happened to all those diesels that were supposed to revolutionize the
> industry?
> Brian Denk
Brian: The Nagel engine was shown at Oshkosh. According to the person I
spoke to, there are five people working on the project. The concept is
interesting but as presented, the engine is quite bulky. It would probably
fit in a Cessna 421 cowl but at least in its present form, not the RV-10. I
could not see that there was much new technically but it is innovative. As
you know, it is a flat 12, but there the similarity to Ferrari ends. There
are 12 connecting rod throws in the crank and since the opposing cylinders
fire simultaneously the pairs are 180 degrees apart. The rationale is that
it reduces vibration. I did not ask about firing order but suspect it
resembles an inline 6. The cylinder barrels are ferrous metal with
rudimentary fins but otherwise not cooled. There are 3 cylinder heads per
side, an intake cam in the top of the case and an exhaust cam in the bottom
of the case. The rocker arms are canted (pivoted about an axis not parallel
to the cam) and automotive technology ignition systems are used. The
turbocharger originated from another aircraft application. Dry sump
lubrication. I was told that the engine had been run, but apparently not
enough yet to produce meaningful data.
The principals seem to come from the stock car racing community. Without
doubt, bringing an engine from concept to production costs a lot of money
and takes a lot of time. Whether or not they have either, I have no idea.
It will indeed be interesting to see what becomes of it. There were many
questions I failed to ask and I don't know if there are any show stoppers
there.
Deltahawk continues to make progress and appear to be systematically
addressing their problems. If NASA had contracted with them and not
Continental we might have an engine. At least the concept seems sound.
Continental was evasive but avers that they have not abandoned their diesel
even though no decision to produce has been taken. The Bombardier V-6 is
quite complex and they will not say they mean to produce. The Honda was
most interesting to me because it is a 350ci direct drive engine that uses
up to date technologies to develop 225hp at very modest weight. Here again,
no statement of intent to produce. I didn't talk to Lycoming this year but
they have said that they will not do a development project until some
airframe maker requests them to do so. With this chicken and egg approach,
prospects for anything interesting from them appear to be dim. The
situation is discouraging even with a faint glimmer of hope far in the
distance. Affordable Turbine Power make fantastic claims, redesigned
combustion chamber, automotive type fuel injection system, 200hp (at least)
on 13gph. At low altitude. If true, that would be about 30 percent lower
than other small turbine engines currently available. Seems too good to be
true and we all know what that means. Still, we continue to hope.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid/Garmin 196 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary & Carolyn Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
I searched Ebay for a cable and got one for 6 bucks and that included S&H.
GZ
Terry Watson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>Neil,
>
>Here is a link directly to Garmin's page for part # 010-10082-00, which is
>the power/data cable for the GPS-196, $27.96. I need just the power cable,
>so I would give you $15 for the lighter cable you snipped in two. That way
>we both get what we need for half price.
>
>Terry
>
>http://shop.garmin.com/accessory.jsp?sku=010%2D10082%2D00
>
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Neil Henderson
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Navaid/Garmin 196
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>Listers
>
>I'm waiting for delivery of an Navaid which I intend driving from a Garmin
>196. I would like to lay in the wiring and am wondering if anyone could help
>with information on he connections required.
>
>1) Assume there are 3 wires from the unit to the servo. Is this correct
>and do they need to be screened.
>
>2) Do you need one or two connection from the GPS. It would seem that all
>that is required is the "Data Out" and assume "Data In" is not required?
>
>3) I assumed the cable that came with the Garmin for plugging into a cigar
>lighter could be used but after snipping it two find it's only 2 wire i.e
>Power only. Does anyone know the Garmin part number for connector plug with
>a 4 wire lead?
>
>4) Other than Power and Ground are any other connections required.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Neil Henderson RV9-A Aylesbury-UK
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: of OAT probes and NACA ducts... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
> > I have my temperature probe in the NACA duct on my 6A, and see zero
> > error. Really. Some do see a lot of error.
>
> Some people see no error while many others see a large error. I remember a
> thread on this a few years back. Some one who had the problem of his OAT
> reading high was able to fix it by insulating the back from the cabin
> interior. He claimed the miss reading is not from the cowl leaking but
from
> the interior heat. Either way, putting it in the shade in the wing root
> fairing is what I plan to do.
>
> Norman Hunger
> RV6A Delta BC
Regarding the issue of OAT locations.. I have my OAT probe on my new RV-4
mounted just under the RH cheek. Bad, bad location (reads about 90 degrees
too high). I have an EI engine analyzer of which one of the channels can be
selected to display OAT. How about placing the probe in the carb?
Effectively I then have a carb air temp reading, but some of our local guys
who have done this say that the carb temp is exactly that of OAT unless the
carb heat is on. Any opinions? This would be an easy change for me vs
locating the probe out on the lower wing.
BTW I did a test with a Radio Shack remote thermometer and mounted the probe
under the tail empennage fairing. Actually this read very well. It did not
change as rapidly due to altitude variations vs having the probe in the
slipstream, but it wasn't bad.
Doug Weiler
RV-4, N722DW
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 08/01/03 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
Scott -
I just returned from a week long trip to the Bahamas in my RV-8 in
April. The only difference is that you need to get a letter from their
Civil Aviation authority to bring an experimental in. The letter I used
is below. No one even asked to see it.
Parker
N321PT - writing from Oshkosh.
Letter:
November 19, 2002
Mr. Patrick Rolle
Flight Standards Inspector
Bahamian Civil Aviation Authority
Nassau International Airport
Nassau, Bahamas
Fax: 242-377-6060
Phone: 242-377-7281
Dear Mr. Rolle,
I am writing to obtain permission to fly an experimental certified
aircraft to the Bahamas on December 28, 2002. I have reservations at
the Staniel Cay Yacht Club on Staniel Cay in the Exumas. I will be
entering your country at Chub Key and plan on staying for one week.
. Purpose of Flight: Pleasure
. Date of Proposed Entry: December 28, 2002
. Port of Entry: Chub Cay, Berry Islands
. Manufacturer: F. Parker Thomas
. Model: RV-8
. Serial # 1
. Registration Marks: N626CT
. Equipment: Full Engine, Flight , & Navigation Instruments
including dual radios and GPS
. Engine Lycoming IO 360 (200 hp)
. Last Annual Inspection: November 12, 2002
Attached are copies of my pilot and aircraft documents. Each page is
numbered for convenience:
1. Pilot's license
2. Medical certificate
3. Airworthiness Certificate & Statement of Limiting Conditions
4. Aircraft Registration
5. Aircraft Log book entry to verify the last annual inspection
6. Insurance Certificate (shows coverage is good in the Bahamas)
7. Airplane Specifications
Two contacts in the event of an emergency are:
Please contact me as soon as possible if you require anything else. I
can be reached at 615-293-1003. I look forward to receiving your
approval. If possible, please fax my written approval to 801-382-1974.
Sincerely,
Parker Thomas
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| Subject: | Re: Carling toggle switch locking washer was switch & |
circuit breaker hole ??
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Dan & Bill,
You can see a drawing of these locking rings on the link below. They are made
by Carling. The pertinent part is located on the lower right corner of page one.
http://www.carlingtech.com/pdf/s_bushng.pdf
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>> Just drill a round hole to fit. If you can get extra nuts and internal
>tooth
>> lock-washers, (the switches may come with them? Or try Radio Shack),
>install
>
>B&C Specialty (http://www.bandc.biz) sells these internal tooth lockwashers
>separately. Unfortunately they don't seem to include them with the Carling
>switches they sell for some reason! So if and when you order switches from
>B&C, be sure to order the lockwashers as well. Or you can get 'em
>separately if you already have your switches.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yet another new engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort"
><gcomfo@tc3net.com>
>
>
> > Looks pretty neat, if it ever actually gets produced and priced
>reasonably.
> > Ok, so I'm not easily impressed by the new engine gurus out there. What
> > ever happened to all those diesels that were supposed to revolutionize
>the
> > industry?
>
> > Brian Denk
>
>Brian: The Nagel engine was shown at Oshkosh.
<snippage of LOTS of great stuff>
Gordon,
THANKYOU for such a thorough report! It would appear that the engine makers
out there are hoping and praying for a major airframe producer to offer them
wads of dough to start cranking out engines. Lotsa luck. I do wish them
all the very best of luck in this difficult economy, but I also want them to
stop the traveling snake oil shows and lay it on the line....x number of
engines available on x date, no more than x to be made initially, first come
first serve. Gotta get some hours on these things! (I'm not a true
"experimental" type of guy, but I know there are builders out there who
would love a shot at one of these new powerplants.)
Meanwhile, all I can truly plan on is a Lycosaur that's older than I am, to
pull my RV10 around some day.
Again, thanks for the great report.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 empacone kit
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| Subject: | Wanted Tatco Squeezer |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Saffold" <michaelsaffold@hotmail.com>
If anyone has a Tatco rivet squeezer they would like to part with I would like
to buy a used one. I already have a Main Squeeze which I love but I find I want
two squeezers so I wont have to swap sets as often.
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