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1. 03:50 AM - Re: Todd's Canopies (Dana Overall)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: Todd's Canopies (Leesafur@aol.com)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: Todd's Canopies (Leesafur@aol.com)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: Trouble Starting (Hot Start Techniques) (Ed Perry)
5. 09:25 AM - departing a broken aircraft (Bill Shook)
6. 09:25 AM - FAB-360 Airbox RV6-A (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: FAB-360 Airbox RV6-A (Paul Besing)
8. 11:20 AM - Re: departing a broken aircraft (Kevin Horton)
9. 11:44 AM - O-360 with MT Governor bracket problems (czechsix@juno.com)
10. 11:50 AM - Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy (PGLong@aol.com)
11. 12:52 PM - Re: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy (Cy Galley)
12. 01:00 PM - Re: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy (Kyle Boatright)
13. 01:51 PM - Re: FAB-360 Airbox RV6-A (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
14. 01:53 PM - Re: O-360 with MT Governor bracket problems (Steve Struyk)
15. 02:58 PM - Re: O-360 with MT Governor bracket problems (Terry Watson)
16. 04:08 PM - Re: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy (Garry Legare)
17. 06:04 PM - RVs are way too easy (Dan Checkoway)
18. 06:06 PM - Re: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy (Michel)
19. 06:30 PM - Re: Chutes for RVs (Christopher J Fortin)
20. 07:27 PM - Re: Chutes for RVs (Jerry Springer)
21. 08:03 PM - Re: RVs are way too easy (Brian Denk)
22. 08:25 PM - Re: Todd's Canopies (Dave Mader)
23. 10:26 PM - Ground block (Darwin N. Barrie)
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| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
As I understand it, Todd can't do canopies for 6/7/9s. If someone know for
sure differently, please clarify my post.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
In a message dated 1/1/2004 5:51:12 AM Central Standard Time,
bo124rs@hotmail.com writes:
As I understand it, Todd can't do canopies for 6/7/9s. If someone know for
sure differently, please clarify my post.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
All he has listed on his web site is for the RV-3 4 8 Click here: Todd's
Canopies
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 wing
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| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
http://toddscanopies.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Trouble Starting (Hot Start Techniques) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" <eperry@san.rr.com>
I have a Lycoming IO-360-B1E and was concerned about hot starts and vapor
lock. Fortunately I have a great Tech Councilor named Fred Laforge and he
has the same engine. Through his years of use I get to benefit, so I will
pass his wisdom on to the list.......
1) Cold Starts -
a. PRIME FOR 4-6 SECONDS
b. MIXTURE- lean
c. BOOST PUMP-off
d. THROTTLE- 1/2" to 1" open
e. STARTER- Engage and when it catches move the mixture to rich
f. BOOST PUMP- If required to maintain fuel pressure
g. MIXTURE- Lean for smooth Operations
2) "HOT STARTS"
a. DO NOT PRIME- Then b. - g.
f. BOOST PUMP- On a heat soaked day, once the engine fires be
ready to engage the boost pump to stabilize the fuel pressure.
I have used these techniques for the last 120 hours and have never been
cranking for more than 4-5 blades. This includes flight testing in Daggett
Ca. during July at 115 degrees OAT on the ground. The biggest thing I have
seen with Hot starts is overpriming. Fight the urge!!!!!
Ed Perry
RV-8
IO-360-B1E /CS
Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Trouble Starting
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Yeah, it's the "Hot Starts" that give me some difficulty with these
Lycoming
> "IO" engines.
>
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RobHickman@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Trouble Starting
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
> >
> > Gert,
> >
> > With an Injected engine you have a priming system, the injectors dump
fuel
> > right into the inlet valve. My IO-360 B1B will start right up when it is
> cold.
> >
> > Rob Hickman
> > RV-4 N401RH
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | departing a broken aircraft |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Shook" <billshook@qwest.net>
Having jumped out of more planes than I've flown and holding more skydiving
certifications than I do pilot cert's I can tell you there is no way I would
static line any type of parachute for an emergency deployment. You won't
likely be getting out because the plane ran out of gas and is flying
straight and level..you will be getting out of an aircraft that has lost
it's wing at the root or something catastrophic. The plane will likely be
spinning, rolling, etc and you along with it when you throw yourself clear.
You don't want a static line getting wrapped around you or the spinning
plane and possibly pulling you in a direction you don't want to go. Jump as
clear as you can, give it a second or two (likely will seem like a year)
then pull the handle. If you're really worried about it...go get some
skydiving training. It's the most fun 'class' you will likely ever take.
Bill Shook
-4 wings 90% (finally unpacking from the move)
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| Subject: | FAB-360 Airbox RV6-A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
List: I am running into a clearance problem with the back of my airbox being to
close to the nose gear? What have other builders done? In any case it appears
I will need to modify the air filter base to fit around the drain in my carburetor......correct?
I have a 0360-A1A and any help would be greatly appreciated.
Tom in Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: FAB-360 Airbox RV6-A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
I heated that area of the box with a heat gun, then pressed a piece of pipe
into the box, where the gear would be. That made an indention that gave it
clearance.
See http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing/enginep.htm for a picture of this
installation.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (RV-10 Soon)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Subject: RV-List: FAB-360 Airbox RV6-A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
>
> List: I am running into a clearance problem with the back of my airbox
being to close to the nose gear? What have other builders done? In any case
it appears I will need to modify the air filter base to fit around the drain
in my carburetor......correct?
> I have a 0360-A1A and any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
Tom in Ohio
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: departing a broken aircraft |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Shook" <billshook@qwest.net>
>
> Having jumped out of more planes than I've flown and holding more
> skydiving
> certifications than I do pilot cert's I can tell you there is no way I
> would
> static line any type of parachute for an emergency deployment. You
> won't
> likely be getting out because the plane ran out of gas and is flying
> straight and level..you will be getting out of an aircraft that has
> lost
> it's wing at the root or something catastrophic. The plane will
> likely be
> spinning, rolling, etc and you along with it when you throw yourself
> clear.
> You don't want a static line getting wrapped around you or the spinning
> plane and possibly pulling you in a direction you don't want to go.
> Jump as
> clear as you can, give it a second or two (likely will seem like a
> year)
> then pull the handle. If you're really worried about it...go get some
> skydiving training. It's the most fun 'class' you will likely ever
> take.
>
> Bill Shook
>
The problem is that there are so many different possible scenarios that
you can focus on whatever scenario you want to drive your decision in a
particular direction. Certainly if the static line were to get wrapped
around something and cause the chute to deploy while you were right
next to the aircraft, that would be bad, and possibly fatal. If if
wraps around you, that is possibly fatal too. On the other hand, if you
hit your head on the aircraft and are knocked out, then not having a
static line would be fatal.
I think the only way to sort this out would be to have the data from
actual emergency bail-outs. Then we could see whether having a static
line would improve or reduce the odds of survival. It is interesting
that some European jurisdictions apparently require static lines for
emergency chutes. I suspect there was at least one fatal accident that
led to that rule. I wonder what the bail-out record has been since
static lines were required.
I'll make some inquiries in rec.aviation.aerobatics once I get back in
Ottawa. I'll post a message if I learn anything interesting one pro or
con static lines.
Kevin Horton RV-8 Finishing Kit
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8
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| Subject: | O-360 with MT Governor bracket problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Hi guys,
I recently received an MT (Jihostroj) governor from Vans along with the
VA-183 bracket and the 48" cable they specify for the RV-8 prop/governor
control. As some folks have already discovered, it seems there's a
problem if you have an O-360. Vans designed the bracket on an O-320
installation and failed to realize that the governor is mounted at a
different angle on the O-360. Unlike the bracket they used to sell for
the McCauley governor, which could be mounted to point any direction in
30 deg intervals, the bracket for the MT governor shares the same bolts
that the governor uses to mount to the adaptor drive assembly. Since
there are only 4 bolts this means it can only be adjusted in 90 degree
intervals. On the O-320 setup it bolts on nicely in a roughly horizontal
position so that the governor control cable comes out of the LH side of
the firewall, turns right and goes straight into the bracket. On the
O-360 however the governor is canted approx 45 degrees clockwise as
viewed from the rear, so this orients the bracket pointing upward 45 deg
above the horizontal position it was designed for. (You can also rotate
it downward 45 deg below the horizontal). Either way, the cable routing
sucks and as far as I can tell, it doesn't look like the 48" cable will
fit....you need a longer one that can loop up and and over the firewall
so that it can go down into the bracket at the correct angle. I haven't
cut the hole in my firewall yet but this is how it appears, and this is
what at least one other builder had to do (get a longer cable). Another
guy I know made his own bracket. I'm trying to decide what to do....Vans
says they were unaware of the problem, and their FWF kits for the O-360
powered RV-8/A are currently shipping with this incompatable
bracket/cable setup. They don't seem anxious to design a better bracket,
and would prefer to just include a longer cable.
Anybody else out there experience this problem, and if so, what size
cable did you need to make it fit? Or did you just make your own
bracket? Template? Photos??
Thanks,
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing.....Santa brought a brand new blended airfoil
Hartzell for Christmas, and boy is it a beauty!!
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| Subject: | Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy |
--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
My older RV4 kit didn't come with Van's full swivel tailwheel assembly.
Trying to decide if it would be worth changing to it. A friend that builds
aerobatic planes says I should put a locking tailwheel on it that utilizes a cable
in
the cockpit to release the lock. What advantages would Van's have over his?
Wondering if Van's would unlock in a strong crosswind and just what you do to
release it. Give it a nudge with your foot when moving in the hangar? Do they
stay locked while taxing? Don't have any tailwheel time yet, but want to make
the right decision the first time. What say ye?
Pat Long
PGLong@aol.com
N924PL (reserved)
RV4 finishing
Bay City, Michigan
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Why make things difficult. KISS is the best and most pilots have no trouble
with the full-swivel tail wheel. The RV series is not a hard to control
tail wheel airplane like a Pitts. The un-lock feature of the tail wheel will
never happen during landing or take-off. You need to get some tail wheel
instruction so you can separate O.W.T.s from the real world.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: <PGLong@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy
> --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
>
> My older RV4 kit didn't come with Van's full swivel tailwheel assembly.
> Trying to decide if it would be worth changing to it. A friend that builds
> aerobatic planes says I should put a locking tailwheel on it that utilizes
a cable in
> the cockpit to release the lock. What advantages would Van's have over
his?
> Wondering if Van's would unlock in a strong crosswind and just what you do
to
> release it. Give it a nudge with your foot when moving in the hangar? Do
they
> stay locked while taxing? Don't have any tailwheel time yet, but want to
make
> the right decision the first time. What say ye?
>
>
> Pat Long
> PGLong@aol.com
> N924PL (reserved)
> RV4 finishing
> Bay City, Michigan
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Van's tailwheel has a spring loaded pawl which locks the tailwheel parallel
with the rudder. Under moderate side loading, the pawl will come out of the
depression it fits into, and now, the tailwheel isn't locked anymore. You
can break-free the tailwheel by strong asymmetric breaking - e.g. stomping a
break to pinwheel the aircraft into a parking space.
Mine has always stayed locked when it needed to be... I wouldn't change a
thing.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: <PGLong@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy
> --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
>
> My older RV4 kit didn't come with Van's full swivel tailwheel assembly.
> Trying to decide if it would be worth changing to it. A friend that builds
> aerobatic planes says I should put a locking tailwheel on it that utilizes
a cable in
> the cockpit to release the lock. What advantages would Van's have over
his?
> Wondering if Van's would unlock in a strong crosswind and just what you do
to
> release it. Give it a nudge with your foot when moving in the hangar? Do
they
> stay locked while taxing? Don't have any tailwheel time yet, but want to
make
> the right decision the first time. What say ye?
>
>
> Pat Long
> PGLong@aol.com
> N924PL (reserved)
> RV4 finishing
> Bay City, Michigan
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAB-360 Airbox RV6-A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Thanks Paul and the picture of the air box is great!
Tom in Ohio
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: FAB-360 Airbox RV6-A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> I heated that area of the box with a heat gun, then pressed a piece of
pipe
> into the box, where the gear would be. That made an indention that gave
it
> clearance.
>
> See http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing/enginep.htm for a picture of this
> installation.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold (RV-10 Soon)
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Kitlog Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: FAB-360 Airbox RV6-A
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin"
<tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> >
> > List: I am running into a clearance problem with the back of my airbox
> being to close to the nose gear? What have other builders done? In any
case
> it appears I will need to modify the air filter base to fit around the
drain
> in my carburetor......correct?
> > I have a 0360-A1A and any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> Tom in Ohio
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O-360 with MT Governor bracket problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
I recently installed the propeller governor and cables provided in Van's FWF
kit. I will admit the cable was snug (if it were an inch shorter it would
not have fit) but it did fit. I think an important factor on the cable
reaching was the use of cable "Eyeballs"(ACS) to penetrate the firewall.
They weren't cheap(about $26 each) but worth it here as they allowed the
cable to penetrate at an angle and reach the bracket.
I attached a picture that shows that area of the firewall.
Steve Struyk
RV-8, N8421S (Res.)
FWF (0-360)
St. Charles, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: <czechsix@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: O-360 with MT Governor bracket problems
> --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I recently received an MT (Jihostroj) governor from Vans along with the
> VA-183 bracket and the 48" cable they specify for the RV-8 prop/governor
> control. As some folks have already discovered, it seems there's a
> problem if you have an O-360. Vans designed the bracket on an O-320
> installation and failed to realize that the governor is mounted at a
> different angle on the O-360. Unlike the bracket they used to sell for
> the McCauley governor, which could be mounted to point any direction in
> 30 deg intervals, the bracket for the MT governor shares the same bolts
> that the governor uses to mount to the adaptor drive assembly. Since
> there are only 4 bolts this means it can only be adjusted in 90 degree
> intervals. On the O-320 setup it bolts on nicely in a roughly horizontal
> position so that the governor control cable comes out of the LH side of
> the firewall, turns right and goes straight into the bracket. On the
> O-360 however the governor is canted approx 45 degrees clockwise as
> viewed from the rear, so this orients the bracket pointing upward 45 deg
> above the horizontal position it was designed for. (You can also rotate
> it downward 45 deg below the horizontal). Either way, the cable routing
> sucks and as far as I can tell, it doesn't look like the 48" cable will
> fit....you need a longer one that can loop up and and over the firewall
> so that it can go down into the bracket at the correct angle. I haven't
> cut the hole in my firewall yet but this is how it appears, and this is
> what at least one other builder had to do (get a longer cable). Another
> guy I know made his own bracket. I'm trying to decide what to do....Vans
> says they were unaware of the problem, and their FWF kits for the O-360
> powered RV-8/A are currently shipping with this incompatable
> bracket/cable setup. They don't seem anxious to design a better bracket,
> and would prefer to just include a longer cable.
>
> Anybody else out there experience this problem, and if so, what size
> cable did you need to make it fit? Or did you just make your own
> bracket? Template? Photos??
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D finishing.....Santa brought a brand new blended airfoil
> Hartzell for Christmas, and boy is it a beauty!!
>
>
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| Subject: | O-360 with MT Governor bracket problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Mark,
If the bracket was made for the 0-320, then maybe that explains why it seems
to be at the wrong angle on the O-360. I drilled another hole in the
firewall directly above the most inboard of the holes in the firewall layout
drawing and ran the prop control cable through that. This shortened the
distance the cable has to reach enough that the 48" cable worked, so now I
guess I will run the purge valve control through the most outboard
(leftmost) of the three holes shown in the drawing.
I am not at all sure I am home free yet. I haven't done the baffles or
mounted the oil cooler, and I think I remember someone saying there was an
interference with the bracket and the oil lines. It may still be necessary
to make a custom bracket.
I think Van's sells the control cables in 48" and 60" lengths. The 60" one
should work OK with the firewall penetrations as shown in the drawings. You
can always make wide turns with it to use up some of the extra length.
I agree that the eyeball firewall pass-throughs are the right way to go. If
you buy them three at a time, they only cost $25 each! Don't worry too much
about getting the right size. You can drill them out to fit.
I could send you a photo if you still need one.
Terry
RV-8A #80729
XP-0360-B1B with Airflow Performance fuel injection
Seattle
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Hi guys,
I recently received an MT (Jihostroj) governor from Vans along with the
VA-183 bracket and the 48" cable they specify for the RV-8 prop/governor
control. As some folks have already discovered, it seems there's a
problem if you have an O-360. Vans designed the bracket on an O-320
installation and failed to realize that the governor is mounted at a
different angle on the O-360. Unlike the bracket they used to sell for
the McCauley governor, which could be mounted to point any direction in
30 deg intervals, the bracket for the MT governor shares the same bolts
that the governor uses to mount to the adaptor drive assembly. Since
there are only 4 bolts this means it can only be adjusted in 90 degree
intervals. On the O-320 setup it bolts on nicely in a roughly horizontal
position so that the governor control cable comes out of the LH side of
the firewall, turns right and goes straight into the bracket. On the
O-360 however the governor is canted approx 45 degrees clockwise as
viewed from the rear, so this orients the bracket pointing upward 45 deg
above the horizontal position it was designed for. (You can also rotate
it downward 45 deg below the horizontal). Either way, the cable routing
sucks and as far as I can tell, it doesn't look like the 48" cable will
fit....you need a longer one that can loop up and and over the firewall
so that it can go down into the bracket at the correct angle. I haven't
cut the hole in my firewall yet but this is how it appears, and this is
what at least one other builder had to do (get a longer cable). Another
guy I know made his own bracket. I'm trying to decide what to do....Vans
says they were unaware of the problem, and their FWF kits for the O-360
powered RV-8/A are currently shipping with this incompatable
bracket/cable setup. They don't seem anxious to design a better bracket,
and would prefer to just include a longer cable.
Anybody else out there experience this problem, and if so, what size
cable did you need to make it fit? Or did you just make your own
bracket? Template? Photos??
Thanks,
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing.....Santa brought a brand new blended airfoil
Hartzell for Christmas, and boy is it a beauty!!
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| Subject: | Re: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
Pat , you don't need the locking tail wheel. I had the tail wheel
release mechanism malfunction so it wouldn't lock. I made 4 landings on
the way home before I was able to fix it. I had about 30 hr. on the
airplane at the time.
Casper
PGLong@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
>
>My older RV4 kit didn't come with Van's full swivel tailwheel assembly.
>Trying to decide if it would be worth changing to it. A friend that builds
>aerobatic planes says I should put a locking tailwheel on it that utilizes a cable
in
>the cockpit to release the lock. What advantages would Van's have over his?
>Wondering if Van's would unlock in a strong crosswind and just what you do to
>release it. Give it a nudge with your foot when moving in the hangar? Do they
>stay locked while taxing? Don't have any tailwheel time yet, but want to make
>the right decision the first time. What say ye?
>
>
>Pat Long
>PGLong@aol.com
>N924PL (reserved)
>RV4 finishing
>Bay City, Michigan
>
>Do Not Archive
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>
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| Subject: | RVs are way too easy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I just finally met a hangar neighbor a few doors down who has a 3-place
Cozy. We chatted for a while and exchanged tips and stuff.
Something happened that kind of struck me as funny. The guy asked me how
many pairs of dial calipers I've gone through. I don't own one at all!
(I'm probably nuts not to have one, but oh well)
The fact that we can "slow build" a plane from kit parts without needing
much more than a 32nds ruler and a sharpie is pretty crazy. It's really
getting too easy, isn't it?
Oh, this guy also almost crapped himself when I told him how cheap the
airframe kit is.
Keep up the good work in the new year, Van's Aircraft!
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michel" <rv8ter@rogers.com>
On my RV3 I built the tail wheel assembly as per the plans with no
swiveling. It is still there after 1200 hrs and actually find it steers
more positively than the swiveling one on the 8.
Where the swiveling is most handy is when you hangar it with other people
and they may move it on you. You find they will push it back till they wrap
the springs and chains around the tail spring. In the last few years when I
had the RV3 in a hanger I had arranged quick disconnect on the springs and
it became swiveling while in the hanger only.
I flew a C-180 with locking tail wheel, did not see a big value with it and
somehow was a little uneasy with losing that control. Just some personal
anxiety there.
You have plenty of rudder in the RV doubt you would find it necessary.
Michel
RV3 and 8
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PGLong@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Van's full swivel Tailwheel assy
--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
My older RV4 kit didn't come with Van's full swivel tailwheel assembly.
Trying to decide if it would be worth changing to it. A friend that builds
aerobatic planes says I should put a locking tailwheel on it that utilizes a
cable in
the cockpit to release the lock. What advantages would Van's have over his?
Wondering if Van's would unlock in a strong crosswind and just what you do
to
release it. Give it a nudge with your foot when moving in the hangar? Do
they
stay locked while taxing? Don't have any tailwheel time yet, but want to
make
the right decision the first time. What say ye?
Pat Long
PGLong@aol.com
N924PL (reserved)
RV4 finishing
Bay City, Michigan
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Chutes for RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher J Fortin <cjfortin@juno.com>
Jerry Springer wrote:
[snip]
>Other words you don't like it when other people voice their opinions? No
>one has told Jeff not to
>try to design it for an RV. I believe he also can learn a lot form the
>differing opinions out there.
>Your "loss" to move to a list that only has ideas that agree with yours.
>I am sure he can also use
>the feedback to determine what his market would be. There is probably a
>good representation
>of RV builders and flyers here.
>Jerry
>do not archive
Jerry,
How quickly you forget our own posts (see below). If I remember right,
you have the dubious honor of being the first person to reply to Jeff and
start this whole tirade. Only took you 43 mins 11 secs to jump on that
bandwagon. Was your remark to Jeff about "wasting his time" a clever
ploy to get him to be all that more determined to succeed in the
development of the product. I think not.
Chris Fortin
N813CJ reserved
Do not archive
Time: 01:31:31 PM PST US
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Very few accidents in RVs are such that a ballistic a chute would have
helped. I realize that there were a
couple structure failures that would have MAYBE saved a pilot but over
all you are wasting your time.
IMO!!!
Jerry
Jeff Peltier wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier
<jeffpeltier@brsparachutes.com>
>
>Hello RV owners,
>Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years,
we've
>currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of
BRS
>ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have
>purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull
tests,
>and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the
various
>tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or
>comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans
>aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear
from
>you.
>
>
>Jeff Peltier
>Design Engineer
>BRS INC.
>(651)457-7491
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chutes for RVs |
tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Christopher J Fortin wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher J Fortin <cjfortin@juno.com>
>
>Jerry Springer wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>
>>Other words you don't like it when other people voice their opinions? No
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>one has told Jeff not to
>>try to design it for an RV. I believe he also can learn a lot form the
>>differing opinions out there.
>>Your "loss" to move to a list that only has ideas that agree with yours.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>I am sure he can also use
>>the feedback to determine what his market would be. There is probably a
>>good representation
>>of RV builders and flyers here.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Jerry
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>
>Jerry,
>
>How quickly you forget our own posts (see below). If I remember right,
>you have the dubious honor of being the first person to reply to Jeff and
>start this whole tirade. Only took you 43 mins 11 secs to jump on that
>bandwagon. Was your remark to Jeff about "wasting his time" a clever
>ploy to get him to be all that more determined to succeed in the
>development of the product. I think not.
>
>
>Chris Fortin
>N813CJ reserved
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>Time: 01:31:31 PM PST US
>From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>Very few accidents in RVs are such that a ballistic a chute would have
>helped. I realize that there were a
>couple structure failures that would have MAYBE saved a pilot but over
>all you are wasting your time.
>IMO!!!
>
>Jerry
>
>
>
I fail to see where I forgot my own post (which I didn't) and my opinion
is still it is a waste of time
but once again others should do what they feel comfortable with. If you
are counting the minutes and
and seconds of my posting you really need to get a life. My guess is my
post did stimulate some good
discussion about recovery chutes on RVs. What has your post contributed?
So far nothing that I can see.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | RVs are way too easy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>I just finally met a hangar neighbor a few doors down who has a 3-place
>Cozy. We chatted for a while and exchanged tips and stuff.
>
>Something happened that kind of struck me as funny. The guy asked me how
>many pairs of dial calipers I've gone through. I don't own one at all!
>(I'm probably nuts not to have one, but oh well)
>
>The fact that we can "slow build" a plane from kit parts without needing
>much more than a 32nds ruler and a sharpie is pretty crazy. It's really
>getting too easy, isn't it?
>
>Oh, this guy also almost crapped himself when I told him how cheap the
>airframe kit is.
>
>Keep up the good work in the new year, Van's Aircraft!
>
Man, you ain't kiddin! I just started on the -10 VS today. I spent 8 hours
in the shop. I Inventoried the kit, binned and tagged all the hardware, and
got started building. The VS is now ready for prime and riveting in the
morning. Awesome. With the late 90's era technology (my -8, for example),
I'd still be jigging and marking flange centerlines.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 51
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Mader" <davemader@bresnan.net>
This is the reply I got from Todd's Canopies when I E-mailed with that same
question......"I'm not set up to make the RV-6 canopy. It will take a
relatively large investment for me to do so. I can't make that investment
now. "
Dave Mader
Sheridan, Wy.
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Leesafur@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Todd's Canopies
--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
In a message dated 1/1/2004 5:51:12 AM Central Standard Time,
bo124rs@hotmail.com writes:
As I understand it, Todd can't do canopies for 6/7/9s. If someone know for
sure differently, please clarify my post.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
All he has listed on his web site is for the RV-3 4 8 Click here: Todd's
Canopies
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 wing
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<rv7-list@matronics.com>, <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I was preparing to order a ground block from B&C and noticed they are out of stock
till "late January." Anyone have another source for these?
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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