Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:39 AM - Re: Re: ELT antenna mounting (GMC)
2. 04:15 AM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 4000 MAP sensor (a flyer)
3. 06:21 AM - Re: AH Problems (Ron Calhoun)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: ELTs (Cy Galley)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Brass Instrument Screws for MicroAir avionics (Cy Galley)
6. 06:29 AM - ELTs and Satellites (Richard Meske)
7. 07:10 AM - Re: Wow... Weee... Wayne (C. Rabaut)
8. 07:52 AM - Re: Brass Instrument Screws for MicroAir avionics (Richard Tasker)
9. 08:50 AM - 6/7/9 Seat Cushions For Sale (Dan Checkoway)
10. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: ELT antenna mounting (Vic Jacko)
11. 09:10 AM - Re: Brass Instrument Screws for MicroAir avionics (Vic Jacko)
12. 09:25 AM - Re: Test (Dean)
13. 09:30 AM - Weather site (austin)
14. 09:36 AM - Re: PC680 Battery (HCRV6@aol.com)
15. 09:56 AM - Jump Starting (Vincent Welch)
16. 10:09 AM - The Van's Aircraft Company motto (BLAKE)
17. 10:21 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Brian Denk)
18. 10:56 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (David Carter)
19. 11:00 AM - Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one? (Dane Sheahen)
20. 11:00 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Will & Lynda Allen)
21. 11:07 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Scott Bilinski)
22. 11:09 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (J. Rion Bourgeois)
23. 11:09 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Darwin N. Barrie)
24. 11:10 AM - Re: Weather site (Randy Simpson)
25. 11:13 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Scott Bilinski)
26. 11:13 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (HCRV6@aol.com)
27. 11:17 AM - Re: Wow... Weee... Wayne (JusCash@aol.com)
28. 11:22 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
29. 11:25 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Kysh)
30. 11:32 AM - Re: Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one? (Will & Lynda Allen)
31. 11:34 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Rick Galati)
32. 11:38 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (jack eckdahl)
33. 11:47 AM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (kempthornes)
34. 11:54 AM - Hey Blake, have a cold one:-) (Dana Overall)
35. 12:14 PM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Patrick Kelley)
36. 12:30 PM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Vince Himsl)
37. 12:39 PM - Reno (Bill VonDane)
38. 01:03 PM - Re: Reno ()
39. 01:09 PM - Re: Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one? (RV6 Flyer)
40. 01:17 PM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (R. Craig Chipley)
41. 01:18 PM - Re: PC680 Battery (Bill Dube)
42. 01:23 PM - Re: Reno (Ron Calhoun)
43. 01:35 PM - Re: Hey Blake, have a cold one:-) (Doug Gray)
44. 01:47 PM - Re: Weather site (Alex Peterson)
45. 02:02 PM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Jim Jewell)
46. 02:03 PM - Re: Reno (off topic) (Phil N)
47. 02:17 PM - Re: Wow... Weee... Wayne (C. Rabaut)
48. 02:33 PM - Re: Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one? (Doug Rozendaal)
49. 02:55 PM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (J. R. Dial)
50. 03:17 PM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Randy Lervold)
51. 03:19 PM - Re: Related to "ELT antenna mounting Sugg. Position" (czechsix@juno.com)
52. 03:35 PM - Re: PC680 Battery (Larry Bowen)
53. 03:38 PM - Re: ELTs (Kevin Horton)
54. 05:30 PM - seats (bert murillo)
55. 05:34 PM - Vans shipping (bert murillo)
56. 05:39 PM - Re: Weather site (Cy Galley)
57. 05:58 PM - Re: Reno (Richard Lundin)
58. 06:06 PM - Re: Vans shipping (N223RV@aol.com)
59. 06:15 PM - Re: Vans shipping (JOHN STARN)
60. 06:20 PM - Re: Vans shipping (N223RV@aol.com)
61. 06:30 PM - Re: ELTs (Cy Galley)
62. 06:39 PM - Re: Vans shipping (Jerry Springer)
63. 06:55 PM - Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto (Mike Nellis)
64. 07:01 PM - Re: Vans shipping (linn walters)
65. 07:46 PM - Re: Reno (Mike Comeaux)
66. 08:49 PM - Re: Vans shipping (Richard E. Tasker)
67. 09:56 PM - Re: Vans shipping (Jerry)
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| Subject: | Re: ELT antenna mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@intergate.ca>
Re ELT antenna mounting.
Comment - a good ELT installation can be heard at least 150 NM away by an
aircraft flying at FL350. We monitored 121.5 on our # 3 radio and reported
ELT signals to ATC. They always asked us to let them know where and when we
picked up and lost the ELT signal, it seemed to take forever to fly through
that annoying noise.
Question - anyone know how big (long) the antennae is for the new 406 MHZ
ELT's.
ICAO wants dual frequency ELT's 121.5 and 406 installed after 2005. My
understanding is that USA, Canada and others are going to allow a low cost
406 MHZ only ELT on non-commercial aircraft and the satellites will
eventually phase out 121.5 receivers.
Hold off on the purchase of your ELT if you can.
George in Langley
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Rapids EIS 4000 MAP sensor |
--> RV-List message posted by: a flyer <aflyer@direcway.com>
My Vision 1000 system MAP sensor has the same requirement. I came through
the firewall with a bulkhead fitting, then to the sensor.
It is not so bad, since MAP is actually lower than atmospheric pressure, a
leaky line won't send fumes into the cabin. It sucks :o)
John Huft
RV8 flying
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
Subject: RV-List: Grand Rapids EIS 4000 MAP sensor
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
>
> Grand Rapids recommends placing the MAP sensor in the cockpit because it
uses a plastic case. I'm not going to because I've gone to a lot of effort
and some $'s to protect the cockpit from engine fires. Placing the sensor
in the cockpit means you would have to bring a manifold pressure hose
through the firewall. Has anyone else had any good or bad experience with
this sensor in the engine compartment.
> thanks,
> Rick Fogerson
> Boise, ID
> RV3 wiring
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Calhoun <roncal@earthlink.net>
I just had my AH overhauled ($412) and on first flight it still did not work.
My A&P re-plumbed vacuum lines to suction through AH and DG on single line, not
dual as new vacuum kit instructions said. It worked on the ground.
Flew yesterday and it worked for a while and then intermittent. With everything
new, we are at a loss. Your advice would be appreciated.
Ron Calhoun
RV-4 Flying
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
The problem with ELTs even though they are using Russian Satellites to
monitor is that it takes TWO passes to determine location and cut down on
false alerts. ELT alerts can be triggered by interference sources and fewer
than 2 in 1000 ELT alerts and 2 in 100 composite alerts are actual distress.
A PLB takes but one pass as it sends info back when the satellite
interrogates it making the location and ID on first pass and they have an
accuracy of about 1 in 12 . PLB is also much more powerful and location is
much more accurate. The old ELT will be phased out before the end of this
decade (2009).
The ill-conceived knee-jerk ELT program was mandated by our Congress after a
plane could not be found went down carrying a Congressman in Alaska. Typical
FED reaction, pass a law to fix a problem without proper thought.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: ELTs
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
>
> I think the satellites are monitoring ELT's now. We are out in the
> boonies , 50 miles from a large town and on several occasions our
> airport manager has gotten calls from Flight Service that there is an
> ELT going off on our airport. usually it has been a medical helicopter
> across the road. a few times it has been an airplane on the field , but
> it comes in pretty quick, usually less than half hour when it happens
> and they have the area very well pinpointed to within a quarter mile..
>
> Phil.
>
>
> flmike wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: flmike <flmike2001@yahoo.com>
> >
> >By the time we get agreement on the ELT antenna
> >location, the PLB will supercede it. Well, actually
> >it already has. We'll just have to wait for the FAA
> >to catch up.
> >
> >A PLB and a handheld transciever will get your butt
> >rescued a lot quicker than any ELT. I suppose you
> >could use the ELT batteries to power a signaling
> >flashlight though.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brass Instrument Screws for MicroAir avionics |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Try a hardware store.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
Subject: RV-List: Brass Instrument Screws for MicroAir avionics
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
>
> The MicroAir radio and xpdr use 8-36 thread screws which is not common.
Does anyone know of a source for these. I need 8 and would prefer
countersunk brass screws but might have to consider other if forced to.
> Thanks for help,
> Rick Fogerson
> RV3 wiring
> Boise, ID
>
>
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| From: | Richard Meske <rmeske@gcfn.org> (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmeske) by www.gcfn.org with HTTP; Tue, |
13 Jan 2004 09:26:47.-0500@matronics.com (EST)
| Subject: | ELTs and Satellites |
One fellow said he thought that our ELTs were being heard by satellites.
True, but not very reliable for the 121.5MHz variety, . . especially when
you mount your antenna where it cannot transmit efficently.
Check this link out to see:
http://www.equipped.com/406_vs_1215.htm
Rich Meske
www.aircraftextras.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wow... Weee... Wayne |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Cash,
If you take his "standard" program it's $1400 for six 1/2 hour flights
with ground schools before each flight and de-briefing afterwards. Go to
his web-site for more info on that way ( www.waynehandley.com ). He also
does seminars (which is the least expensive way, but you loose the
one-on-one lectures) through many local flying/aerobatics clubs. Through
the seminars you can still arrange 1/2 hour flights, however you have to
limit the number of pilots that get to do the flights. Or he charges
"about" $400 an hour and you do whatever you want. Well he also gives you
his thoughts on the areas you need improvement. I can't say enough about
the quality & style of Wayne. If it can be done in an airplane, he has
done it. If it can't be done in an airplane... well he's most likely
tried to do it a few times and can tell you exactly "why" it can't be done
(yet).
Chuck
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <JusCash@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wow... Weee... Wayne
> --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
> Hey Chuck, how much money and how much time? I am in need of a tune up.
>
> Cash
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brass Instrument Screws for MicroAir avionics |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
Did they specifically state that these are 8-36 screws? Or is it
possible that they are metric M4x0.7 screws (4mm dia, thread pitch 0.7mm)?
Dick Tasker, 9A #90573
Rick Fogerson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
>
>The MicroAir radio and xpdr use 8-36 thread screws which is not common. Does
anyone know of a source for these. I need 8 and would prefer countersunk brass
screws but might have to consider other if forced to.
>Thanks for help,
>Rick Fogerson
>RV3 wiring
>Boise, ID
>
>
>
>
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<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>, <RV7or7A@yahoogroups.com>,
<SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | 6/7/9 Seat Cushions For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
For sale:
Van's Seat Cushions (Foam & Patterns) for RV-6[A], RV-7[A], RV-9[A]
As seen here in Van's catalog:
http://checkoway.com/url/?s=49df5301
"CA SEAT SET 7/9"
I paid $190, you can steal 'em for $150 including shipping anywhere in the
US. Still in the box (may be dusty, otherwise brand new).
First come, first serve,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: ELT antenna mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Divide 234 by the freq in Mhz to determine the approximate 1/4 length of
the transmitting or receiving antenna in feet. ( 234/406 = .576 of a foot.
.576 x 12 inches equals 6.91 inches give or take a little.)
Vic,
----- Original Message -----
From: "GMC" <gmcnutt@intergate.ca>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: ELT antenna mounting
> --> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@intergate.ca>
>
>
> Re ELT antenna mounting.
>
> Comment - a good ELT installation can be heard at least 150 NM away by an
> aircraft flying at FL350. We monitored 121.5 on our # 3 radio and reported
> ELT signals to ATC. They always asked us to let them know where and when
we
> picked up and lost the ELT signal, it seemed to take forever to fly
through
> that annoying noise.
>
> Question - anyone know how big (long) the antennae is for the new 406 MHZ
> ELT's.
>
> ICAO wants dual frequency ELT's 121.5 and 406 installed after 2005. My
> understanding is that USA, Canada and others are going to allow a low cost
> 406 MHZ only ELT on non-commercial aircraft and the satellites will
> eventually phase out 121.5 receivers.
>
> Hold off on the purchase of your ELT if you can.
>
> George in Langley
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brass Instrument Screws for MicroAir avionics |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Rick, I used stainless steel screws which you can get anywhere! If a
magnet will not pick them up you know they are OK.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
Subject: RV-List: Brass Instrument Screws for MicroAir avionics
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
>
> The MicroAir radio and xpdr use 8-36 thread screws which is not common.
Does anyone know of a source for these. I need 8 and would prefer
countersunk brass screws but might have to consider other if forced to.
> Thanks for help,
> Rick Fogerson
> RV3 wiring
> Boise, ID
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Jim
Your test msg came through fine here. I attended the AeroElectric Seminar
at Jefferson City this weekend. It was excellent and certainly worth the
money to me. Ron Burnett and Ray Kennedy from the chapter were there too.
Best Regards Alden
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bower" <rvbuilder@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Test
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Bower" <rvbuilder@hotmail.com>
>
> Gang,
>
> If this gets through, please accept my apologies for junking up your
> in-baskets. If not, I am having problems. I'll wait and see if this
> bounces back to me.
>
> Jim Bower
> St. Louis
> RV-6A - Fuselage (Finish kit on order)
>
> Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed
> providers now. https://broadband.msn.com
>
>
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tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24
--> RV-List message posted by: "austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
Listers,
There is a website somewhere which gives statistics on the
number of IFR vs. VFR days in a given month for any given region of the
country and I would like to know the name of that site.
Basically, I need it for the region above the Great Lakes
because...........
I plan to ferry home a J3 Cub (nordo)...from Ontario to the West
Coast....
Since I am nordo and very basic, I cannot fly a shorter US route around the
lakes because such a foreign a/c is verboten in US airspace...( especially
these days ), and the country North in the Canadian Shield is very rugged
and wild with few landing spots if there is any snow....
This trip is going to take a while on 65hp....the cold is bad enough and I
can deal with that, but being socked in for a week with no place to stay and
sinking funds is not my idea of a fun trip....
I am basically trying to determine what month may look promising
weather-wise to begin the flight.
Alex Peterson may know this area and also know if the wolves are
friendly.....
This airplane needs to shed the snow from the wings and warm the oil
and fly West to her new home.
If anybody knows the website name, I would be pleased to know it...
Regards,
Austin
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: PC680 Battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 1/12/04 11:50:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
<< I haven't seen a charger with that type of plug though. Are there such
things? >>
Larry: You can get plugs that fit your cig lighter "power jack" at most any
auto parts store. Different quality. I like the ones with two negative
contacts. Its a simple mod to your trickle charger.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, moving to hangar soon
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Just curious. What provisions, if any, are you guys making for jump
starting a dead battery?
Vince
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| Subject: | The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
Hello RVators,
Although I have been reading the list for 6 years now, I just recently
ordered my RV-7A empennage kit. My shop has been ready and waiting for this
moment for a long time and you folks have helped me get it right. I really
appreciate this list and all of its benefits and I'm sure to post many
questions in the future. Well, here's my first question:
Have you been pleased with the Order Dept. at Van's?
I really do regret starting my posting with gripes, but I had always
envisioned Van's Aircraft being a big efficient company, with lots of
helpful people. Recently, I emailed my order form for the Empennage Kit and
called for a follow-up to ensure the order form attachment was legible. I
talked with a young lady who gave me a bunch of hem-haws about emailing
"kit" orders(keep in mind I'm potentially spending over $20k). Later that
day, a friendly voice told me that email orders are only checked in the
morning, since it was Friday, my order would be looked at on Monday morning.
This morning(Tues.) there was no email receipt of an order or any
information regarding my order, so, today I followed up with yet another
call to ensure my order was processed, and found out it had been submited.
It is in crating. I wanted to know the order number, and how I could track
the order in the future. The attitude over the phone suggested that I was
too demanding in my request, and that she didn't know when the kit would be
shipped or what the tracking number was. Then I was told to call back in a
couple of days to find out how to track my $1800 order. That's right, I've
got to call them back.
Folks, I've ordered $5 items from the internet and was flooded with email
information on amount charged, shipping dates, tracking numbers, and long
thoughtful comments thanking me for my FIVE DOLLAR business. Now I spend
$1800 and potentially another $15k and I can't even find out when/if my
shippment is going out. Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
start the long building process.
Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
Blake Avant
Navarre, FL
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| Subject: | The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
<snippage>
Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
>Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
>previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
>very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
>start the long building process.
>
>Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
>
>Blake Avant
>Navarre, FL
Blake,
I've been dealing with Van's for seven years now and have very few
complaints. If you ordered within the past couple of weeks, they have been
dealing with not only annual inventory but wicked, nasty weather that
snarled all kinds of freight carriers. Generally, I leave them alone, place
my orders as they want them placed, and only inquire if a week has gone by
with nothing from the UPS man.
There are also days when they're up to their collective necks in alligators,
as in any business, when many customers are asking very few employees for
everything including time of day and how's the weather.
Give 'em some room to breathe, and I guarantee you WILL be impressed with
the products you receive from them. I'm starting my second kit now (RV10),
which will cost a LOT more than my RV8 did. I wouldn't do that with a
company that continually boogered up orders or treated me poorly.
Welcome to the RV fraternity!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Brian gave a good reply. They are great folks, competnent, maybae
understaffed for what they do, but ALWAYS get the job (order) done in a
decently prompt manner. You are right - they don't have an "automated
reply" e-mail system and they don't take the time to e-mail you to hold your
hand while they are establishing you in their customer database, passing the
order to those who pick and crate the stuff, and then arrange for a pickup
by a carrier. They focus on getting the job done, not the "feel good" stuff
that you are more used to seeing.
You'll be happy. Just back off and let them do their job. I don't mean the
"back off" thing to be "harsh", just a practical thing.
You'll be assigned a Customer Number - you will want to use that in any
written, e-mail, fax or voice telephone contact you have with them - that is
what they look up to track the stuff you are asking about. So, maybe you
are so new that you haven't been notified of your Customer Number. If you
have it, try giving them that the next time you call to check status - I'll
bet they'll pull your record up and give you an accurate, up-to-date status
report.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
Subject: RV-List: The Van's Aircraft Company motto
> --> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
>
> Hello RVators,
> Although I have been reading the list for 6 years now, I just recently
> ordered my RV-7A empennage kit. My shop has been ready and waiting for
this
> moment for a long time and you folks have helped me get it right. I
really
> appreciate this list and all of its benefits and I'm sure to post many
> questions in the future. Well, here's my first question:
>
> Have you been pleased with the Order Dept. at Van's?
>
> I really do regret starting my posting with gripes, but I had always
> envisioned Van's Aircraft being a big efficient company, with lots of
> helpful people. Recently, I emailed my order form for the Empennage Kit
and
> called for a follow-up to ensure the order form attachment was legible. I
> talked with a young lady who gave me a bunch of hem-haws about emailing
> "kit" orders(keep in mind I'm potentially spending over $20k). Later that
> day, a friendly voice told me that email orders are only checked in the
> morning, since it was Friday, my order would be looked at on Monday
morning.
> This morning(Tues.) there was no email receipt of an order or any
> information regarding my order, so, today I followed up with yet another
> call to ensure my order was processed, and found out it had been submited.
> It is in crating. I wanted to know the order number, and how I could
track
> the order in the future. The attitude over the phone suggested that I was
> too demanding in my request, and that she didn't know when the kit would
be
> shipped or what the tracking number was. Then I was told to call back in
a
> couple of days to find out how to track my $1800 order. That's right,
I've
> got to call them back.
>
> Folks, I've ordered $5 items from the internet and was flooded with email
> information on amount charged, shipping dates, tracking numbers, and long
> thoughtful comments thanking me for my FIVE DOLLAR business. Now I spend
> $1800 and potentially another $15k and I can't even find out when/if my
> shippment is going out. Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
> Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
> previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
> very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
> start the long building process.
>
> Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
>
> Blake Avant
> Navarre, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
I just wondering if anyone is planning an Alaska RV trip this summer ?
I would like to go with more experienced pilots than myself. Possibly
someone that has done the trip before.
The tallest thing we fly over here in the midwest is corn and cell phone
antennas.
If anyone is interested please email on list or direct to me
dane@mutualace.com
Dane
RV8a
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| Subject: | The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
I thought all big orders had to be faxed? That's how I've always done it
and haven't had any problems, though I'm only 3-4 hours drive away so I've
picked up my big orders and only dealt with shipping on small replacement
parts. When I ordered my wings, they sent me a confirmation in the mail that
gave me the approximate date that they would be ready and what the procedure
would be for shipping or picking them up. The small stuff that's been
shipped has been without incident but I don't think I asked for a tracking
number.
Maybe you just caught them at a bad time, with all the snow and ice the
northwest got last week they may be a bit behind. I'm sure you'll enjoy your
future encounters with them though!
-Will Allen
North Bend, Wa.
RV8 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BLAKE
Subject: RV-List: The Van's Aircraft Company motto
--> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
Hello RVators,
Although I have been reading the list for 6 years now, I just recently
ordered my RV-7A empennage kit. My shop has been ready and waiting for this
moment for a long time and you folks have helped me get it right. I really
appreciate this list and all of its benefits and I'm sure to post many
questions in the future. Well, here's my first question:
Have you been pleased with the Order Dept. at Van's?
I really do regret starting my posting with gripes, but I had always
envisioned Van's Aircraft being a big efficient company, with lots of
helpful people. Recently, I emailed my order form for the Empennage Kit and
called for a follow-up to ensure the order form attachment was legible. I
talked with a young lady who gave me a bunch of hem-haws about emailing
"kit" orders(keep in mind I'm potentially spending over $20k). Later that
day, a friendly voice told me that email orders are only checked in the
morning, since it was Friday, my order would be looked at on Monday morning.
This morning(Tues.) there was no email receipt of an order or any
information regarding my order, so, today I followed up with yet another
call to ensure my order was processed, and found out it had been submited.
It is in crating. I wanted to know the order number, and how I could track
the order in the future. The attitude over the phone suggested that I was
too demanding in my request, and that she didn't know when the kit would be
shipped or what the tracking number was. Then I was told to call back in a
couple of days to find out how to track my $1800 order. That's right, I've
got to call them back.
Folks, I've ordered $5 items from the internet and was flooded with email
information on amount charged, shipping dates, tracking numbers, and long
thoughtful comments thanking me for my FIVE DOLLAR business. Now I spend
$1800 and potentially another $15k and I can't even find out when/if my
shippment is going out. Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
start the long building process.
Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
Blake Avant
Navarre, FL
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
They send a card in the mail telling you the delivery date, at least on my
stuff.
At 12:09 PM 1/13/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
>
>Hello RVators,
>Although I have been reading the list for 6 years now, I just recently
>ordered my RV-7A empennage kit. My shop has been ready and waiting for this
>moment for a long time and you folks have helped me get it right. I really
>appreciate this list and all of its benefits and I'm sure to post many
>questions in the future. Well, here's my first question:
>
>Have you been pleased with the Order Dept. at Van's?
>
>I really do regret starting my posting with gripes, but I had always
>envisioned Van's Aircraft being a big efficient company, with lots of
>helpful people. Recently, I emailed my order form for the Empennage Kit and
>called for a follow-up to ensure the order form attachment was legible. I
>talked with a young lady who gave me a bunch of hem-haws about emailing
>"kit" orders(keep in mind I'm potentially spending over $20k). Later that
>day, a friendly voice told me that email orders are only checked in the
>morning, since it was Friday, my order would be looked at on Monday morning.
>This morning(Tues.) there was no email receipt of an order or any
>information regarding my order, so, today I followed up with yet another
>call to ensure my order was processed, and found out it had been submited.
>It is in crating. I wanted to know the order number, and how I could track
>the order in the future. The attitude over the phone suggested that I was
>too demanding in my request, and that she didn't know when the kit would be
>shipped or what the tracking number was. Then I was told to call back in a
>couple of days to find out how to track my $1800 order. That's right, I've
>got to call them back.
>
>Folks, I've ordered $5 items from the internet and was flooded with email
>information on amount charged, shipping dates, tracking numbers, and long
>thoughtful comments thanking me for my FIVE DOLLAR business. Now I spend
>$1800 and potentially another $15k and I can't even find out when/if my
>shippment is going out. Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
>Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
>previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
>very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
>start the long building process.
>
>Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
>
>Blake Avant
>Navarre, FL
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. Rion Bourgeois" <rion@att.net>
Blake: Man, are you eager to get that kit! In answer to your question,
my experience with Van's shipping department, as well as the rest of the
company, has been very positive. IMHO, your expectations of Van's shipping
department are way too high, and aimed in the wrong direction. If Van's AC
spent the kind of time you apparently expect to babysit your order, they
would either have to raise the price of kits, or divert manpower from
responding to more important questions, like building questions. Your order
has been submitted, and is in line for shipment, along with everybody else's
order. Researching exactly where in that line your order might be would
slow down the next guys order. Lighten up, buddy. This is a long process,
and you are going to be facing a lot of frustration if you expect the same
type of perfection from yourself as you apparently do from the folks at
Van's. If the ordering process frustrates you this much, what are you going
to do when you ruin your elevator skin because the rivet gun was set too
high (been there, done that) or rivet a bucking bar inside the horizontal
stabilizer (been there, done that too)? As you move along in this journey,
you will find that the folks at Van's are very cooperative and helpful, and
will ease your passage if you let them. They have been doing this a long
time, and are very good at devoting their energy where it will be most
useful to their customers instead of towards a lot of fluff. I could spend
an hour reciting the many times they have helped me out, but would prefer to
spend that time more productively. While you are waiting for your kit to
arrive, here is something to keep you busy. What primer do you intend to
use, and why? Yours truly, Rion Bourgeois
----- Original Message -----
From: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
Subject: RV-List: The Van's Aircraft Company motto
> --> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
>
> Hello RVators,
> Although I have been reading the list for 6 years now, I just recently
> ordered my RV-7A empennage kit. My shop has been ready and waiting for
this
> moment for a long time and you folks have helped me get it right. I
really
> appreciate this list and all of its benefits and I'm sure to post many
> questions in the future. Well, here's my first question:
>
> Have you been pleased with the Order Dept. at Van's?
>
> I really do regret starting my posting with gripes, but I had always
> envisioned Van's Aircraft being a big efficient company, with lots of
> helpful people. Recently, I emailed my order form for the Empennage Kit
and
> called for a follow-up to ensure the order form attachment was legible. I
> talked with a young lady who gave me a bunch of hem-haws about emailing
> "kit" orders(keep in mind I'm potentially spending over $20k). Later that
> day, a friendly voice told me that email orders are only checked in the
> morning, since it was Friday, my order would be looked at on Monday
morning.
> This morning(Tues.) there was no email receipt of an order or any
> information regarding my order, so, today I followed up with yet another
> call to ensure my order was processed, and found out it had been submited.
> It is in crating. I wanted to know the order number, and how I could
track
> the order in the future. The attitude over the phone suggested that I was
> too demanding in my request, and that she didn't know when the kit would
be
> shipped or what the tracking number was. Then I was told to call back in
a
> couple of days to find out how to track my $1800 order. That's right,
I've
> got to call them back.
>
> Folks, I've ordered $5 items from the internet and was flooded with email
> information on amount charged, shipping dates, tracking numbers, and long
> thoughtful comments thanking me for my FIVE DOLLAR business. Now I spend
> $1800 and potentially another $15k and I can't even find out when/if my
> shippment is going out. Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
> Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
> previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
> very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
> start the long building process.
>
> Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
>
> Blake Avant
> Navarre, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I just got off the phone with Van's regarding some stuff I shipped back just
before Christmas. I was returning some parts in exchange for other ones. I
had not heard back and called yesterday. I learned they were doing inventory
so nothing was being processed and they had a major snow storm that kept
some employees home.
Today I received a call from Van's to confirm the part I had listed was
actually what I wanted. (Fuel injected fuel valve). She just wanted to make
sure because it is not a frequently ordered part.
I have found their service very good. Possibly a little slow but otherwise
fine. With the volume of orders their is occasionally going to be a mistake.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
> --> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
>
> Hello RVators,
> Although I have been reading the list for 6 years now, I just recently
> ordered my RV-7A empennage kit. My shop has been ready and waiting for
this
> moment for a long time and you folks have helped me get it right. I
really
> appreciate this list and all of its benefits and I'm sure to post many
> questions in the future. Well, here's my first question:
>
> Have you been pleased with the Order Dept. at Van's?
>
> I really do regret starting my posting with gripes, but I had always
> envisioned Van's Aircraft being a big efficient company, with lots of
> helpful people.
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| Subject: | Re: Weather site |
--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Simpson <airtime@proaxis.com>
Austin,
Some people like this weather site.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/forecasts/ORZ007.php?warncounty=ORC053&city=Ind
ependence
Enjoy your adventure. You ARE planning to carry along your titanium
Ti-downs, aren't you?
Randy Simpson
Cross country aircamping adventurer
Albany, Oregon
------------
At 09:27 AM 1/14/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
>
>Listers,
> There is a website somewhere which gives statistics on the
>number of IFR vs. VFR days in a given month for any given region of the
>country and I would like to know the name of that site.
>Basically, I need it for the region above the Great Lakes
>because...........
> I plan to ferry home a J3 Cub (nordo)...from Ontario to the West
>Coast....
>Since I am nordo and very basic, I cannot fly a shorter US route around the
>lakes because such a foreign a/c is verboten in US airspace...( especially
>these days ), and the country North in the Canadian Shield is very rugged
>and wild with few landing spots if there is any snow....
>This trip is going to take a while on 65hp....the cold is bad enough and I
>can deal with that, but being socked in for a week with no place to stay and
>sinking funds is not my idea of a fun trip....
>I am basically trying to determine what month may look promising
>weather-wise to begin the flight.
>Alex Peterson may know this area and also know if the wolves are
>friendly.....
> This airplane needs to shed the snow from the wings and warm the oil
>and fly West to her new home.
>If anybody knows the website name, I would be pleased to know it...
>Regards,
>Austin
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I was just on the Vans web site yesterday and they said weather was very
bad there. Also there are 800 orders backlogged that need to be packed and
shipped. All this mainly due to weather and the 1 week it took to do inventory.
At 06:20 PM 1/13/04 +0000, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
><snippage>
>
>Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
>>Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
>>previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
>>very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
>>start the long building process.
>>
>>Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
>>
>>Blake Avant
>>Navarre, FL
>
>
>Blake,
>
>I've been dealing with Van's for seven years now and have very few
>complaints. If you ordered within the past couple of weeks, they have been
>dealing with not only annual inventory but wicked, nasty weather that
>snarled all kinds of freight carriers. Generally, I leave them alone, place
>my orders as they want them placed, and only inquire if a week has gone by
>with nothing from the UPS man.
>
>There are also days when they're up to their collective necks in alligators,
>as in any business, when many customers are asking very few employees for
>everything including time of day and how's the weather.
>
>Give 'em some room to breathe, and I guarantee you WILL be impressed with
>the products you receive from them. I'm starting my second kit now (RV10),
>which will cost a LOT more than my RV8 did. I wouldn't do that with a
>company that continually boogered up orders or treated me poorly.
>
>Welcome to the RV fraternity!
>
>Brian Denk
>RV8 N94BD
>RV10 '51
>
>Find high-speed net deals comparison-shop your local providers here.
>https://broadband.msn.com
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 1/13/04 10:10:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bavant@mchsi.com writes:
<< Please help a very patient man >>
Patience Blake, sounds to me like you are suffering from new builder's
anxiety. I have been ordering from Van's at least two or three times a month for
almost ten years and have yet to have a first real complaint with their service.
Lately I hear some new voices on the order line, but my stuff still gets to
me promptly and correctly. Welcome aboard.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, moving to hangar soon
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| Subject: | Re: Wow... Weee... Wayne |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
Thanks Chuck, I checked the web site and will be giving him a call.
Cash
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| Subject: | RE: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Hi Blake...
My partner and I have an RV6a hangared 1/4 mi. from Van's and I'm building
one also, so have dealt with Van's for 3 years now, and I see them frequently.
Without a doubt, one of the classiest organizations ever. Sure, sometimes they
look a little overloaded and frazzled, but that's because they are usually
busting their buns helping us builders out in one way or another. Once in a blue
moon you'll catch someone with a bit of "attitude", but it is rare. Contrary
to what you might think, they are def not a large, impersonal company. I think
they have maybe 50 employees total. It's amazing they produce what they do
with that few people.
Congratulations on your decision to build one of the best aircraft in the
world, and do not worry, Van's will take great care of you, just might require
a
bit of patience once in awhile. They are human....I think. :)
Jerry Cochran
<<Folks, I've ordered $5 items from the internet and was flooded with email
information on amount charged, shipping dates, tracking numbers, and long
thoughtful comments thanking me for my FIVE DOLLAR business. Now I spend
$1800 and potentially another $15k and I can't even find out when/if my
shippment is going out. Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
start the long building process.
Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
Blake Avant
Navarre, FL>>
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As BLAKE was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
> Folks, I've ordered $5 items from the internet and was flooded with email
> information on amount charged, shipping dates, tracking numbers, and long
> thoughtful comments thanking me for my FIVE DOLLAR business. Now I spend
> $1800 and potentially another $15k and I can't even find out when/if my
> shippment is going out. Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
> Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
> previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
> very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
> start the long building process.
You have expectations that are way, way, way too high.
The entire aviation industry is still struggling to catch up with 1996,
technology-wise.
You claim to be very patient, but your comments don't bear that out. I
don't understand why you're disheartened, or why you've lost respect for
Vans based on your comments. I read and re-read them, and the only
conclusion I could come to was that you were being wholly unreasonable.
All IMHO, of course.
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Let's see, I'm on my wings now...... hmmmm don't think I can finish by this
summer..... Darn, I love Alaska :-) If you go, you'd better take lots of
pictures and post them. A return trip to AK, my birthplace, will be
mandatory when I do eventually finish my airplane though!
-Will Allen
North bend, Wa.
RV8 wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dane Sheahen
Subject: RV-List: Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
I just wondering if anyone is planning an Alaska RV trip this summer ?
I would like to go with more experienced pilots than myself. Possibly
someone that has done the trip before.
The tallest thing we fly over here in the midwest is corn and cell phone
antennas.
If anyone is interested please email on list or direct to me
dane@mutualace.com
Dane
RV8a
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Blake,
You've spent untold weeks, maybe years of dreaming and planning for this day.
Once you finally and officially place the order for the first component kit, the
wait at can at times seem unbearable. I felt that way through 3 subkit orders
and only started calming down by the finish kit. Let me tell you something
about Van's support. I can't count how many times I've scrapped parts for one
reason or another but this incident really stands out. I botched an aileron
gap fairing and reordered a new one. When the replacement part finally arrived,
my heart sank. The packaging was obviously damaged and sure enough, the gap
fairing was dented. I promptly called Van's. The nice lady on the other end
said UPS should know better than to leave a visibly damaged package at my door.
She said not to worry about it, there was no need to return the damaged part,
Van's would send out another that very day. Now here's the kicker. This happened
on a Friday afternoon and the replacement par
t showed
up at my door on SATURDAY morning at 10 A.M. Van's is in Oregon, I am in St.
Louis. The overnight shipping charge for that $24.87 gap fairing was nearly $100.
All I was out was a little extra time, a small measure of pride, and the
original $24.87.
Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "jack eckdahl" <eckdahl@dellmail.com>
Blake: I am surprised to hear that you had these problems. I can assure you that
your opinion will change. Most of my major component orders were acknowledged
by postal service mail with kit number and order number, payment amt., balance,
etc. Anytime that I called to get clarification or status they have always
been helpful. They keep up with credits good also. I actually had a couple
credits. I left the credits on the books and used them later (and more).
Individual parts, hardware, electrical, etc. from their online catalog are acknowledged
immediately by email with order number for tracking. Based on my experience
over the past two years, I am pretty sure that you will find this to
be an exception to their usual fine service. Jack RV9A #90508(finishing)
----- Original Message -----
From: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
Subject: RV-List: The Van's Aircraft Company motto
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 12:09 PM 1/13/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
>
>Have you been pleased with the Order Dept. at Van's?
>
>Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
>previously respected company.
Yes times 10 to the sixth!
When Van's becomes a typical American big business they will automatically
send gobs of email gibberish. Shipping will be improved and prices will be
much higher.
Patience, man.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Hey Blake, have a cold one:-) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Hey Blake, with all the "sit back and relax", "chill out", "have a cold
one"'s coming your way, I have this vision of you sitting on a kindergarden
chair in a super cooled jaccuzzi, blasted to the gills with your favorite
beverage:-)
Seriously, I too have had absolutely no complaints and truly enjoy the small
business attitude of the employees of Van's. First class operation.
Another case in point: I wanted to start painting but still had the old
rudder. Van's is shipping the new rudder with all new kits and with the
finish kit for kits originally sent the old rudder. Their thinking is you
don't need it until you are close to finished and it saves them shipping
which in turn saves us money. They sent mine right out with frieght on
them. I have also called when I was missing a piece, that I should have
discovered during the initial inventory, kowing I would have to pay for it
due to the time span. Absolutely not, Van's would send the part at no
charge.
Now, get out of that cold water and get a cup of coffee:-)
BTW, they can ship your emp. second day for something like $30. Don't ask
me how I know.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
One thing I didn't recall seeing in the replies (I may have missed it
because I only skimmed): Van's is *not* a big company. Their volume is
not large, compared to the internet companies who deal in small items;
most of their employees are involved in production. They also operate
on a small margin in order to keep costs down. That means that they do
not have the budget for a sophisticated, internet-based order tracking
system. Their sales and order processing system is fairly simple but
they have managed to send me thousands of parts in 3 subkits with only a
few backordered items and one missing part to date. I don't know if the
process is the same today, but when you place your first order you send
them a legal document and they then assign you a builder's number.
Armed with that, they can pretty much tell you what's going on, but they
can only estimate shipping dates and tracking info is not available
until the shipping company has the shipment.
By the way, that internet company that fawned over your $5 order did so
through automation, usually with messages filled with advertising to get
more of your business. Wait until you have a real problem that needs
personal attention. On the other hand, Van's is not as efficient but
you can call them for building advice or parts replacement and talk to a
real person. If you prefer the computer system, then the kit companies
are not going to be for you; even Aircraft Spruce does not have that
slick an online ordering system.
Patrick Kelley
RV-6A - gathering dust while I struggle with college :(
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| Subject: | The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vince Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
Hello Blake,
Welcome to the 'club'.
Your $5.00 internet (non Van's) item was tracked every three minutes by a computer
(what I call placebo info), but as you
say yourself, this is a custom built airplane kit which is assembled when ordered;
not sitting on a shelf with a scan tag.
Slower, but you get the latest changes. Also, Van's specifically states how they
do things and how they expect you to
order. I have never been disappointed with their service nor their delivery dates
as I understand how they operate. Fact
that I visited factory before I started my RV may have helped.
For me, building this airplane has been a journey of discovery. What I discovered
first was that I needed to develop a
'much higher' level of patience, tolerance and understanding for that which didn't
fit nor arrive when 'I' wanted it too.
So good luck on 'your' journey! May you NOT have to learn as many lessons as I
have had to learn.
Regards
Vince Himsl
RV8 SB Finish
"Aerosport and Lightspeed but procrastinating on the canopy"...himsl 1/04
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----------------------------------------------------- -
Have you been pleased with the Order Dept. at Van's?
Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I was
very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
start the long building process.
Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
Blake Avant
Navarre, FL
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone planning on going to Reno?
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
I truly enjoyed my stay there in '03, so I might go there again in '04 just because!
Konrad
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
To: rv-list@matronics.com ; rv8list@yahoogroups.com ; vansairforce
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:39 PM
Subject: RV-List: Reno
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone planning on going to Reno?
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Dane:
Took the RV to Alaska 2.5 years ago. Was planning on going back this year
but the Bahamas are calling.
Been accross the USA 8 times and as far north as Ft Yukon Alaska (north of
the Arctic Circle) since first flight September 1997. Been to the highest
and the lowest airports in North America.
Sorry I do not have a lot written on the trip but could answer specific
questions off list. Jerry VanGuvensen was in Alaska this summer with
several other RVs.
Start your research on the AOPA web site. They have most of the info that
you will need.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,426 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
Subject: RV-List: Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
I just wondering if anyone is planning an Alaska RV trip this summer ?
I would like to go with more experienced pilots than myself. Possibly
someone that has done the trip before.
The tallest thing we fly over here in the midwest is corn and cell phone
antennas.
If anyone is interested please email on list or direct to me
dane@mutualace.com
Dane
RV8a
Find out everything you need to know about Las Vegas here for that getaway.
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Craig Chipley" <mechtech81@yahoo.com>
Blake, One of the things that makes the RV so
attractive is the low cost. The things that keep costs
so low is low overhead. overhead being more employees
and more complex computer programs to give you an
email. Van is a very practical guy who only spends
money that will benefit the planes we build. I am not
his spokesman at all but have watched this great
company since 1985. I understand your excitement.
Enjoy the process and have fun. Craig
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http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
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| Subject: | Re: PC680 Battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
At 12:57 PM 1/12/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>The dual-mode charger I'm using is the Battery Tender Jr. (paid $19.95 at
>Arizona MotorSports a year or two ago). It comes with a few different
>pluggable ends that use a connector to hook up to the charger. It has the
>two ring terminal end, which I currently have connected to the battery
>terminals (until I'm ready to fly this thing). It also has a pluggable end
>with two medium-sized alligator clips.
Looking at the specs, this seems to be a pretty good charger. It
bulk charges to 14.4 volts, waits for the current to taper off, then
switches over to a 13.2 volt float charge.
It is a good idea to keep the battery topped up like this. If you
plan a long absence, it is smarter to disconnect the battery, and then hook
up the charger noted above occasionally instead of continuously. Perhaps
for a few days every other month.
Leaving the battery on continuous float causes "grid corrosion"
and also dries out the battery. If you MUST choose, it is better to leave
the battery on float than it is to let it get discharged. Thus, if you are
not going to disconnect the battery, and you plan to leave it completely
unattended for many months, it is better to leave it on float than to let
it go dead.
Ideally, for the PC680 battery, the bulk charge voltage should go
a bit closer to 15 volts.
If you are having trouble with an AGM battery, (like the PC680)
take it out of the airplane, put it on a power supply, and bring it up to
14.8 volts. Then wait for the current to drop below an amp. At that time,
push an amp though the battery (with no limit on voltage) for an hour. This
should kill it or cure it. :
) You might have to do this more than once.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Calhoun" <roncal@earthlink.net>
I would really like to go to Reno. Where is the best place land and hotel to
stay? How much are tickets and how available? Gosh, I'm getting excited
just thinking about it.
Ron Calhoun
RV-4 Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
klwerner@comcast.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Reno
--> RV-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
I truly enjoyed my stay there in '03, so I might go there again in '04 just
because!
Konrad
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
To: rv-list@matronics.com ; rv8list@yahoogroups.com ; vansairforce
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:39 PM
Subject: RV-List: Reno
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone planning on going to Reno?
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hey Blake, have a cold one:-) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
> "sit back and relax", "chill out", "have a cold one"
This will be the last chance before you fly your RV, enjoy the delay.
Doug
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
I am basically trying to determine
> what month may look promising weather-wise to begin the
> flight. Alex Peterson may know this area and also know if the
> wolves are friendly.....
Austin, my friend, I know nothing about the wolves north of the border.
However, I do know that the weather is what it is when you get there :
)
In Minnesota, we have winter for about 8 months followed by 4 months of
road construction. Can't speak for Canada, but Jim Oke in Winnipeg
probably thinks we Minnesotans have wimpy winters.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 427 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
I concur with Brian's comments,
I am sorry to hear that your first experience with Van's ordering system is
fraught with some misunderstanding and miscommunication.
They use a customer number system. They will apply one to your first 'kit'
order that will act as their in house "tracking number". When phoning,
faxing, mailing or emailing, them quoting that number for them to enter into
their computer system will get them directly access to your account.
If you do as yet not have knowledge of your customer number ask for it in
your next communication with them. for example mine, established in 1996 is
a 5 digit number starting with 24***.
Are they into the six digits yet! {[;-)!?
For their handling of my needs they get top marks, the five *****! star
award. The same goes for their service since then.
I ordered the whole RV6-a aircraft kit start to finish at once. It took me
over a week to unpack and do the inventory. They back ordered one heat
control cable (an accessory part #) and had the rest of the order complete
down to the last rivet!! Somehow I lost track of two sheet metal bits during
building. They sent the parts by mail without question. I found the missing
pieces a year later under a shelf. (oops) (:-o !
Most often they make me feel like family when I phone them for what ever
reason.
Onward and upward,
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: The Van's Aircraft Company motto
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> <snippage>
>
> Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
> >Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
> >previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I
was
> >very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
> >start the long building process.
> >
> >Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
> >
> >Blake Avant
> >Navarre, FL
>
>
> Blake,
>
> I've been dealing with Van's for seven years now and have very few
> complaints. If you ordered within the past couple of weeks, they have
been
> dealing with not only annual inventory but wicked, nasty weather that
> snarled all kinds of freight carriers. Generally, I leave them alone,
place
> my orders as they want them placed, and only inquire if a week has gone by
> with nothing from the UPS man.
>
> There are also days when they're up to their collective necks in
alligators,
> as in any business, when many customers are asking very few employees for
> everything including time of day and how's the weather.
>
> Give 'em some room to breathe, and I guarantee you WILL be impressed with
> the products you receive from them. I'm starting my second kit now
(RV10),
> which will cost a LOT more than my RV8 did. I wouldn't do that with a
> company that continually boogered up orders or treated me poorly.
>
> Welcome to the RV fraternity!
>
> Brian Denk
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| Subject: | Reno (off topic) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil N" <pnewlon@toosan.com>
Yup. Four of us went in '03 and plan to do so in '04. Keep my email
and drop a line when the time gets closer. If you go once, you'll
struggle with choosing between Osh and Reno (when your wife complains
about you going to two places)
We rented a "sleeps 8" condo in Tahoe for under $200/night.
Phil
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> Anyone planning on going to Reno?
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| Subject: | Re: Wow... Weee... Wayne |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Cash,
You won't be disappointed! BTW, if you're going through the Coalinga
area stop in & I'll buy lunch.
Chuck
(559) 935-1525 ext. 139
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----- Original Message -----
From: <JusCash@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wow... Weee... Wayne
> --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
> Thanks Chuck, I checked the web site and will be giving him a call.
>
> Cash
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska RV Trip anyone planing one? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I flew the B-25 from Anchorage to Minneapolis and we did all of it but one
leg below 5500 feet. We did that leg at 10,500 Just west of Ft Nelson.
Follow the highway and it is a pretty easy trip. 10000 feet will clear
nearly all the surrounding terrain and you could do it much lower if you
like flying down in the valleys.
Take your time, don't push the WX. Stop and see the sites! Especially
Whitehorse!! We were WXed in there for two days. If you want a Rocky side
trip, fly down to Skagway from Whitehorse. But that would be a REALLY rocky
trip! We rented a car and drove down. About 90 miles of the most beautiful
country I have ever seen. It would be a magnificent flight, but NO options.
Skagway is cool, 100 years ago it was whorehouses, Miners, and bars, now it
is whorehouse museums, tourists and bars.
I surveyed the route as I flew with an eye towards doing it in a single. But
for crossing the divide West of Fort Nelson, there is was almost always a
good option in a small airplane if the fire went out.
Arctic Thunder is the Elmendorf Airshow June, 26 & 27. It is one of the
best shows I have ever seen and I have been to some airshows. The WX is
good then and we will be there again with our B-25 "Miss Mitchell."
I would HIGHLY recommend the trip! My menu in Alaska was Halibut and Beer!
Both are exceptional!
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
>
>
> I just wondering if anyone is planning an Alaska RV trip this summer ?
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| Subject: | The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
You probably caught them during inventory and I think big orders
have to be faxed. I have been ordering from them for several years and
have nothing but good to say about them. You could go with another type
of kit and get left with a bunch of money down the drain and no one to
call but the bankruptcy judge. Seriously, hang in they are great people.
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BLAKE
Subject: RV-List: The Van's Aircraft Company motto
--> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" <bavant@mchsi.com>
Hello RVators,
Although I have been reading the list for 6 years now, I just recently
ordered my RV-7A empennage kit. My shop has been ready and waiting for
this
moment for a long time and you folks have helped me get it right. I
really
appreciate this list and all of its benefits and I'm sure to post many
questions in the future. Well, here's my first question:
Have you been pleased with the Order Dept. at Van's?
I really do regret starting my posting with gripes, but I had always
envisioned Van's Aircraft being a big efficient company, with lots of
helpful people. Recently, I emailed my order form for the Empennage Kit
and
called for a follow-up to ensure the order form attachment was legible.
I
talked with a young lady who gave me a bunch of hem-haws about emailing
"kit" orders(keep in mind I'm potentially spending over $20k). Later
that
day, a friendly voice told me that email orders are only checked in the
morning, since it was Friday, my order would be looked at on Monday
morning.
This morning(Tues.) there was no email receipt of an order or any
information regarding my order, so, today I followed up with yet another
call to ensure my order was processed, and found out it had been
submited.
It is in crating. I wanted to know the order number, and how I could
track
the order in the future. The attitude over the phone suggested that I
was
too demanding in my request, and that she didn't know when the kit would
be
shipped or what the tracking number was. Then I was told to call back
in a
couple of days to find out how to track my $1800 order. That's right,
I've
got to call them back.
Folks, I've ordered $5 items from the internet and was flooded with
email
information on amount charged, shipping dates, tracking numbers, and
long
thoughtful comments thanking me for my FIVE DOLLAR business. Now I
spend
$1800 and potentially another $15k and I can't even find out when/if my
shippment is going out. Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing
business?
Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I
was
very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
start the long building process.
Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
Blake Avant
Navarre, FL
==
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==
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| Subject: | Re: The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Not only do I concur woth both Jim and Brian's messages, but can add some
insight into the situation. All of the e-businesses we deal with that flood
us with those reassuring e-mails were built around software designed to
integrate seamlessly with e-mail etc. Van's system runs on (I believe)
MAS90, a rather old GL and inventory system that they have adapted to make
work with e-mail orders etc. It requires quite a bit of manual intervention
and was never made to do what they are now doing with it. The bottom line is
that Van has chosen to not spend $300-500k on a new software system just to
get better online integration.
Believe me, they take customer service quite seriously and as numerous
others have pointed out, you will come to appreciate this.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 366 hrs
Home Wing VAF
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> I concur with Brian's comments,
>
> I am sorry to hear that your first experience with Van's ordering system
is
> fraught with some misunderstanding and miscommunication.
>
> They use a customer number system. They will apply one to your first 'kit'
> order that will act as their in house "tracking number". When phoning,
> faxing, mailing or emailing, them quoting that number for them to enter
into
> their computer system will get them directly access to your account.
> If you do as yet not have knowledge of your customer number ask for it in
> your next communication with them. for example mine, established in 1996
is
> a 5 digit number starting with 24***.
> Are they into the six digits yet! {[;-)!?
>
> For their handling of my needs they get top marks, the five *****! star
> award. The same goes for their service since then.
> I ordered the whole RV6-a aircraft kit start to finish at once. It took me
> over a week to unpack and do the inventory. They back ordered one heat
> control cable (an accessory part #) and had the rest of the order complete
> down to the last rivet!! Somehow I lost track of two sheet metal bits
during
> building. They sent the parts by mail without question. I found the
missing
> pieces a year later under a shelf. (oops) (:-o !
> Most often they make me feel like family when I phone them for what ever
> reason.
>
> Onward and upward,
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: The Van's Aircraft Company motto
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > <snippage>
> >
> > Is this the Van's Aircraft way of doing business?
> > >Please help a very patient man to understand what's happening at a
> > >previously respected company. I had my heart set on a RV for years, I
> was
> > >very excited to place my first order and this is a disheartening way to
> > >start the long building process.
> > >
> > >Fellow Aviator and Future RVer,
> > >
> > >Blake Avant
> > >Navarre, FL
> >
> >
> > Blake,
> >
> > I've been dealing with Van's for seven years now and have very few
> > complaints. If you ordered within the past couple of weeks, they have
> been
> > dealing with not only annual inventory but wicked, nasty weather that
> > snarled all kinds of freight carriers. Generally, I leave them alone,
> place
> > my orders as they want them placed, and only inquire if a week has gone
by
> > with nothing from the UPS man.
> >
> > There are also days when they're up to their collective necks in
> alligators,
> > as in any business, when many customers are asking very few employees
for
> > everything including time of day and how's the weather.
> >
> > Give 'em some room to breathe, and I guarantee you WILL be impressed
with
> > the products you receive from them. I'm starting my second kit now
> (RV10),
> > which will cost a LOT more than my RV8 did. I wouldn't do that with a
> > company that continually boogered up orders or treated me poorly.
> >
> > Welcome to the RV fraternity!
> >
> > Brian Denk
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Related to "ELT antenna mounting Sugg. Position" |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Harry,
I'm not sure what you want in terms of "data" indicating the usefulness of ELT's,
but there's no question that many lives have been saved due to ELT's over the
years (a number of bodies have also been found which may not be comforting
to us as pilots but is nice for closure for the family). I can't put my finger
on a report that specifies what percentage of ELT's are successfully activated
in crashes and/or prove critical in leading Search and Rescue to the accident
location. It may be a small percentage, but I've read quite a few reports
where ELT's did help locate a downed aircraft in time to rescue the survivors.
I personally know three guys from college days who were in a Piper Arrow out
in Colorado and were forced into the side of a mountain in a severe downdraft.
It happened so fast they did not have time to get a mayday call out. Miraculously
they all survived the impact but were seriously injured. They spent a
cold night on the mountainside trapped in the wrecka
ge. The next day, SAR teams picked up the ELT but the aircraft could not even
be seen from a helicopter because it had slid under the trees. But they were
able to direct a ground team to the approx location of the signal where they
were found and rescued. One guy lost a leg but they all lived and recovered.
Had it not been for the ELT signal, they would not only have died but would probably
have never been found until 30 years from now when some wandering hiker
should stumble upon the wreckage...it was located in a pretty remote area not
very close to any road or town.
So...some will say that ELT's are outdated pieces of junk that often don't work.
I won't disagree with that, although I'll point out that the later model TSO'd
units we are putting in our RV's are better than many of the units flying
in spam cans that were designed many years ago. Regardless, they are required
equipment that can and do save lives every year, and yours might be the next
one. With that in mind, I'd recommend doing your best to install the ELT and
antenna--and change batteries as required--such that in the unlikely event it's
ever needed, your odds of survival are maximized.
FWIW, IMHO, etc etc
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D with boat anchor ELT that I hope will never be needed...
Time: 11:13:09 AM PST US
From: HCRV6@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Related to "ELT antenna mounting Sugg. Position"
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
On this subject, does anyone know of any data that would indicate how useful
the ELT is in a real crash. Just curious.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, final assembly, finally!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Thanks. I'll proceed with the plan then.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HCRV6@aol.com [mailto:HCRV6@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:36 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: PC680 Battery
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/12/04 11:50:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
>
> << I haven't seen a charger with that type of plug though.
> Are there such
> things? >>
>
> Larry: You can get plugs that fit your cig lighter "power
> jack" at most any
> auto parts store. Different quality. I like the ones with
> two negative
> contacts. Its a simple mod to your trickle charger.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Harry Crosby
> Pleasanton, California
> RV-6, moving to hangar soon
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>The problem with ELTs even though they are using Russian Satellites to
>monitor is that it takes TWO passes to determine location and cut down on
>false alerts. ELT alerts can be triggered by interference sources and fewer
>than 2 in 1000 ELT alerts and 2 in 100 composite alerts are actual distress.
>A PLB takes but one pass as it sends info back when the satellite
>interrogates it making the location and ID on first pass and they have an
>accuracy of about 1 in 12 . PLB is also much more powerful and location is
>much more accurate. The old ELT will be phased out before the end of this
>decade (2009).
>
>The ill-conceived knee-jerk ELT program was mandated by our Congress after a
>plane could not be found went down carrying a Congressman in Alaska. Typical
>FED reaction, pass a law to fix a problem without proper thought.
>
>Cy Galley
>Editor, EAA Safety Programs
>cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
A lot of people seem to think ELTs are a complete waste of time, but I
wonder how many of them have looked at any data. Certainly there are a
distressing number of crashes where the ELT does not trigger for whatever
reason. But there are also quite a few cases where the ELT is instrumental
in saving lives.
I took a look at the 2002 data from the SARSAT system, as I was
curious. There are a lot of events listed, and conventional ELTs are only
some of the data (there are a lot of PLB entries). But, worldwide, I
counted 20 aviation crashes where it looked like the presence of the ELT
probably made a significant difference in saving 46 lives. Sure, that's
only 46 lives, but I suspect those 46 people are glad the ELT was there.
http://www.cospas-sarsat.org/download/R7AnnexC.pdf
http://www.cospas-sarsat.org/
If you fly in remote areas it is far better to have an ELT than to have
nothing at all. But, don't get me started on the requirements for the antenna.
Kevin Horton
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--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Hi:
Has any one have had any trouble with Van's Seats?
I have some problems with them...
Please respond off the list..with your comments
Thanks
Bert
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--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Hi:
I have order a simple order from Van's, about
weeks ago, and nothing as of today.
Has any one else have had same problem recently..
I had to order from them, as the part is only
made by Van's I think...
I never understand why it takes them so long
to shipp something..
I know Spruce is in California, and I never find
them, taken weeks to send something.....
Maybe Oregon, has slower mail..
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: Weather site |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Are you sure about foreign planes in US airspace? Canadian NORADO fly into
Oshkosh every year.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
Subject: RV-List: Weather site
> --> RV-List message posted by: "austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
>
> Listers,
> There is a website somewhere which gives statistics on the
> number of IFR vs. VFR days in a given month for any given region of the
> country and I would like to know the name of that site.
> Basically, I need it for the region above the Great Lakes
> because...........
> I plan to ferry home a J3 Cub (nordo)...from Ontario to the West
> Coast....
> Since I am nordo and very basic, I cannot fly a shorter US route around
the
> lakes because such a foreign a/c is verboten in US airspace...( especially
> these days ), and the country North in the Canadian Shield is very rugged
> and wild with few landing spots if there is any snow....
> This trip is going to take a while on 65hp....the cold is bad enough and I
> can deal with that, but being socked in for a week with no place to stay
and
> sinking funds is not my idea of a fun trip....
> I am basically trying to determine what month may look promising
> weather-wise to begin the flight.
> Alex Peterson may know this area and also know if the wolves are
> friendly.....
> This airplane needs to shed the snow from the wings and warm the
oil
> and fly West to her new home.
> If anybody knows the website name, I would be pleased to know it...
> Regards,
> Austin
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin <rlundin46@yahoo.com>
Went in 03 and it is alot of fun. Went in commercial
so can't recommend a field and our hotel was waaaay
south so I can't recommend that either. Tickets are
about $60 for the entire event, plus add $90 for pit
passes. If you don't get pit passes you might as well
stay home. Great time.
Rick
--- Ron Calhoun <roncal@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Calhoun"
> <roncal@earthlink.net>
>
> I would really like to go to Reno. Where is the best
> place land and hotel to
> stay? How much are tickets and how available? Gosh,
> I'm getting excited
> just thinking about it.
>
> Ron Calhoun
> RV-4 Flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
> Of
> klwerner@comcast.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Reno
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by:
> <klwerner@comcast.net>
>
> I truly enjoyed my stay there in '03, so I might go
> there again in '04 just
> because!
>
> Konrad
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill VonDane
> To: rv-list@matronics.com ;
> rv8list@yahoogroups.com ; vansairforce
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:39 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Reno
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane
> <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Anyone planning on going to Reno?
>
>
> -Bill VonDane
> EAA Tech Counselor
> RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
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> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vans shipping |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
Well, Van's was down for inventory from January 1 to 9th (give or take a
day), therfore they are probably way behind on orders. They were not shipping
at
all during this time.
That being said, I have ordered quite a few orders in the last few months and
it seems to have taken progressively longer to get orders. In fact, on the
last order I made in Mid December it took them 4 days to get it out their door,
then another 5 working days to ship.... It took a total of 11 days to
receive it.
Last year I'd make an order and it would be out their door the same day or
the next day at most. The last 6 months it seems to take 3-5 days to get an
order out of them. I was pretty surprised not to hear others speak of this.
I much prefer to order from Van's then I do from Spruce, even if it is more
expensive. If Van's went out of business, I'd be sad and the experimental
aircraft industry would have a great loss. If Spruce went out of business,
someone else just like them would come along.
But there is a lot to be said about making an order on Monday, and having it
on your doorstop on Wednesday vs. a week from Friday. Unfortunately Spruce
has been getting more of my business lately as I just can't see waiting 2 weeks
to get stuff.....
Just one builders opinion....
-Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Vans shipping |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
I also have delt with both ACS and Van's. ACS is a giant wherehouse of
"standard" aircraft parts. Van's "MAKE" the parts. You want a Chevy, go to
your local Chevrolet dealer and get one. Want a Yellow Ferrari with Pink
leather seats and a 350 CI Fuel injected LT-1 6 speed it's going to take a
while. (a lot longer than Van's take to custom build your parts) I just
spent more than TWO hours standing in line at the California DMV just to
obtain a book and some paper work. Chill out, do what we who were in line
did, order delivery pizza and enjoy talking to those around you. Yea Pizza
Hut was quicker than DMV. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Subject: RV-List: Vans shipping
> --> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
>
> I have order a simple order from Van's, about
> weeks ago, and nothing as of today.
>
> Has any one else have had same problem recently..
>
> I had to order from them, as the part is only
> made by Van's I think...
>
>
> I never understand why it takes them so long
> to shipp something..
>
> I know Spruce is in California, and I never find
> them, taken weeks to send something.....
>
> Maybe Oregon, has slower mail..
>
>
> Bert
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vans shipping |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
Van's used to ship much faster than they have the last few months. We are
just wondering why it is taking longer and we hate to see them lose business to
the competition (not including the airframe parts).
Mike
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I have no quarrel with using an ELT. Unfortunately, the PLB is so much
superior in every way that it is sad that if you want this better
protection, you have to have both. The FAA is dragging its heels.
In medicine they talk about the "golden hour" where your chances of survival
are good. With an ELT it takes 2 to 4 hours to determine whether there even
is an accident and to send out help. What do you think happens to your
chances of survival?
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: ELTs
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> >
> >The problem with ELTs even though they are using Russian Satellites to
> >monitor is that it takes TWO passes to determine location and cut down on
> >false alerts. ELT alerts can be triggered by interference sources and
fewer
> >than 2 in 1000 ELT alerts and 2 in 100 composite alerts are actual
distress.
> >A PLB takes but one pass as it sends info back when the satellite
> >interrogates it making the location and ID on first pass and they have an
> >accuracy of about 1 in 12 . PLB is also much more powerful and location
is
> >much more accurate. The old ELT will be phased out before the end of this
> >decade (2009).
> >
> >The ill-conceived knee-jerk ELT program was mandated by our Congress
after a
> >plane could not be found went down carrying a Congressman in Alaska.
Typical
> >FED reaction, pass a law to fix a problem without proper thought.
> >
> >Cy Galley
> >Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> >cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
>
>
> A lot of people seem to think ELTs are a complete waste of time, but I
> wonder how many of them have looked at any data. Certainly there are a
> distressing number of crashes where the ELT does not trigger for whatever
> reason. But there are also quite a few cases where the ELT is
instrumental
> in saving lives.
>
> I took a look at the 2002 data from the SARSAT system, as I was
> curious. There are a lot of events listed, and conventional ELTs are only
> some of the data (there are a lot of PLB entries). But, worldwide, I
> counted 20 aviation crashes where it looked like the presence of the ELT
> probably made a significant difference in saving 46 lives. Sure, that's
> only 46 lives, but I suspect those 46 people are glad the ELT was there.
>
> http://www.cospas-sarsat.org/download/R7AnnexC.pdf
> http://www.cospas-sarsat.org/
>
> If you fly in remote areas it is far better to have an ELT than to have
> nothing at all. But, don't get me started on the requirements for the
antenna.
>
> Kevin Horton
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vans shipping |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Don't know where yo live Bert but if you have paid any attention to the
weather lately in Oregon
you would know that the Portland area came to pretty much a stand still
last week weather wise.
We had snow then freezing rain on top of that and it was not a pretty
sight. The Portland airport was
closed for about three day no flights in or out. I know that UPS did not
deliver some packages I was expecting.
I can tell you from experience that Van's service beats ACS all to
pieces in my opinions.
Jerry
do not archive
bert murillo wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
>
> I have order a simple order from Van's, about
> weeks ago, and nothing as of today.
>
> Has any one else have had same problem recently..
>
> I had to order from them, as the part is only
>made by Van's I think...
>
>
> I never understand why it takes them so long
>to shipp something..
>
> I know Spruce is in California, and I never find
>them, taken weeks to send something.....
>
> Maybe Oregon, has slower mail..
>
>
> Bert
>
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | The Van's Aircraft Company motto |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
Yea, leave em alone. I'm still waiting for $15 worth of side baggage
compartment ribs to get here. You'd think that after 7 years of
ordering parts off and on they'd get it here faster so I can screw em up
quicker. <grin>
Mike Nellis
RV-6 Skinning Fuselage N699BM
1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K
http://bmnellis.com
***
*** I was just on the Vans web site yesterday and they said
*** weather was very bad there. Also there are 800 orders
*** backlogged that need to be packed and shipped. All this
*** mainly due to weather and the 1 week it took to do inventory.
***
***
*** At 06:20 PM 1/13/04 +0000, you wrote:
*** >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
N223RV@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
>
> Van's used to ship much faster than they have the last few months. We are
>just wondering why it is taking longer and we hate to see them lose business to
>the competition (not including the airframe parts).
>Mike
>
>Do not archive
>
Do you think it may be due to trying to get a rush of -10 orders
filled? Do you think maybe shipping has become a bottleneck? Do you
think some parts may not be on the shelf? Do you think ......
Just playing devil's advocate.
Linn
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Comeaux" <mcomeaux@bendnet.com>
Bill,
I put a box together every year except last year due to some conflicting
interests. I limit it to 10 people & no more.
In a box you get to bring your own ice chest & get perferred
parking. The box I get confirmed is right at the pylons in b row.
Between now & March 1st. I have 6 positions available. Not
sure what the box costs this year but I heard maybe 2600.00
split 10 ways would be 260.00 for all 4 days it si a deal & comfort.
Regards Mike Comeaux
mcomeaux@bendnet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Reno
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Anyone planning on going to Reno?
>
>
> -Bill VonDane
> EAA Tech Counselor
> RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
> www.vondane.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
I hate to be difficult, but...
You are building a plane. It will probably take at least a year (if you
are very fast) and more likely several years.
So what is a fews days here and there? In any case, all it really takes
is a little planning and the time to receive a shipment becomes irrelevant.
Work on something else while you are waiting for the order - certainly
there is something else to do. And if you are finished except for that
last item you ordered from Van's a week ago, go flying or study up on
what you are going to do on your test flights or proofread your email
before you send it.
Dick Tasker
RV9A, 90573 (and very happy with Van's service)
bert murillo wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
>
> I have order a simple order from Van's, about
> weeks ago, and nothing as of today.
>
> Has any one else have had same problem recently..
>
> I had to order from them, as the part is only
>made by Van's I think...
>
>
> I never understand why it takes them so long
>to shipp something..
>
> I know Spruce is in California, and I never find
>them, taken weeks to send something.....
>
> Maybe Oregon, has slower mail..
>
>
> Bert
>
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry" <jdoyal@sport.rr.com>
LOL, Proofread your e-mail!!! Rolling on the floor!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard E.
Tasker
Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker"
--> <retasker@optonline.net>
I hate to be difficult, but...
You are building a plane. It will probably take at least a year (if you
are very fast) and more likely several years.
So what is a fews days here and there? In any case, all it really takes
is a little planning and the time to receive a shipment becomes
irrelevant.
Work on something else while you are waiting for the order - certainly
there is something else to do. And if you are finished except for that
last item you ordered from Van's a week ago, go flying or study up on
what you are going to do on your test flights or proofread your email
before you send it.
Dick Tasker
RV9A, 90573 (and very happy with Van's service)
bert murillo wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
>
> I have order a simple order from Van's, about
> weeks ago, and nothing as of today.
>
> Has any one else have had same problem recently..
>
> I had to order from them, as the part is only
>made by Van's I think...
>
>
> I never understand why it takes them so long
>to shipp something..
>
> I know Spruce is in California, and I never find
>them, taken weeks to send something.....
>
> Maybe Oregon, has slower mail..
>
>
> Bert
>
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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