---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/15/04: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:29 AM - Re: Gluing Drilled Canopy? (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com) 2. 05:49 AM - Re: Remote preheater activation (Wayne Pedersen) 3. 06:00 AM - GA Bashing by CBS News (Frederick Oldenburg) 4. 06:07 AM - Re: which kit to buy????? (Alex Peterson) 5. 06:22 AM - Re: Gluing Drilled Canopy? (Charles Rowbotham) 6. 06:45 AM - List: ELTs (Glen Matejcek) 7. 07:44 AM - Re: GA Bashing by CBS News (Cy Galley) 8. 08:32 AM - Re: List: ELTs (Mickey Coggins) 9. 08:45 AM - Re: GA Bashing by CBS News (Doug Rozendaal) 10. 08:59 AM - How to sell an unfinished homebuilt? (Joe & Jan Connell) 11. 09:07 AM - Fw: (Cy Galley) 12. 09:13 AM - Re: aircraft condition inspection? (Ernest Kells) 13. 09:14 AM - Re: GA Bashing by CBS News (Brian Denk) 14. 09:35 AM - Re: GA Bashing by CBS News (BLAKE) 15. 09:48 AM - Re: aircraft condition inspection? (BLAKE) 16. 12:07 PM - GA Bashing on CBS (long) (Jim Cimino) 17. 12:20 PM - Keep water out of the cockpit (Jason Sneed) 18. 02:55 PM - OATs & overhauled engine (D Ford) 19. 03:02 PM - Re: Keep water out of the cockpit (cecilth@juno.com) 20. 04:11 PM - correction to leak problem (RV-6 Slider) (Jason Sneed) 21. 04:33 PM - Re: Keep water out of the cockpit (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)) 22. 04:54 PM - More MicroAir 760 (Ron Walker) 23. 04:59 PM - Re: GA Bashing by CBS News (Cy Galley) 24. 05:55 PM - Marvel carb rebuild kit (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 25. 05:57 PM - Re: Keep water out of the cockpit (Patty & Dan Krueger) 26. 06:14 PM - Re: Vans shipping (Randy Compton) 27. 06:17 PM - Re: correction to leak problem (RV-6 Slider) (Cy Galley) 28. 06:53 PM - RV-6 wings for sale (Doug Weiler) 29. 07:25 PM - Re: Gluing Drilled Canopy? (Doug Weiler) 30. 07:36 PM - Re: correction to leak problem (RV-6 Slider) (kempthornes) 31. 08:09 PM - Re: GA Bashing by CBS News (kempthornes) 32. 09:05 PM - Re: GA Bashing on CBS (long) (Tommy Mead) 33. 09:36 PM - Re: GA Bashing on CBS (long) (Jerry Springer) 34. 09:37 PM - Re: Vans shipping, long post. (JOHN STARN) 35. 09:55 PM - Re: Marvel carb rebuild kit (Greg Milner) 36. 10:33 PM - Re: GA Bashing by CBS News (rv6tc) 37. 11:51 PM - Re: Marvel carb rebuild kit (GMC) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Gluing Drilled Canopy? From: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com 01/15/2004 06:50:35 AM --> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com I think if you work the canopy as per Vans instructions you will be very pleased with the set up. I personally will tell you that I had serious thoughts about my 8A canopy untill I actually did the work. The stories you hear are worse than the actual work itself. Be slow and build the thing as per and you will be fine My 2 cents worth do not archive Glenn Williams ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:17 AM PST US From: "Wayne Pedersen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Remote preheater activation --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Pedersen" I have this "Remote Beeper Box" on my Piper Tomahawk and it works good. The only draw back that I have is that if somebody dials the wrong phone number your pager goes off and the heater kicks in for the predetermined time. I put a car heater in the engine compartment and one in the cabin and it sure takes the brrrrr out of winter start up. Wayne RV7a - fuse S.ALberta --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:47 AM PST US From: Frederick Oldenburg Subject: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg Did anyone see this story on CBS news last night: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/14/eveningnews/main593216.shtml AOPA is following this: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2004/04-1-029x.html There is also good article on it here: http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=139faa40-aa30-4cd2-a8bb-44d7156e949b& I found this style of reporting from CBS very troubling. As is Typical of major news outlets, they seem to be more interested in sensationalism rather than presenting a fair and balanced report. Im going to be writing some letters and e-mail on this one. Id urge you to do the same if you can. We need to get a grass roots campaign against this type of maligning of the facts about GA. Ive compiled a list of sponsors from last night's CBS news broadcast: Detrol LA = Pfizer Pharmaceutical - http://www.pfizer.com Plavix = Bristol-Meyers Squibb - http://www.bms.com/ CoricidinHBP = Schering-Plough HealthCare Products - http://www.sphcp.com/ Centrum = Wyeth Consumer Healthcare - http://www.wyeth.com/ Fosamax = Merck & Co. - http://www.merck.com/ Hyundai of America - http://www.hyundaiusa.com/ Hidden Valley Ranch = The HV Food Products Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Clorox Company - http://www.hiddenvalleyranch.com/ Campbells Soup - http://www.campbellsoupcompany.com/contact_campbell.asp One Touch Ultra = Lifescan, A Johnson & Johnson Company - http://www.lifescan.com/ Bayer Asprin - Bayer AG - http://www.bayer.com/en/index.php Quaker Oats - Pepsico - http://www.pepsico.com/ Rollaids - Pfizer Pharmaceutical - http://www.pfizer.com/ CVS Pharmacy - http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/cvsmain Walmart - http://www.walmart.com/ Please help if you can by letting these sponsors (and CBS News) know how you feel about CBS unfair portrayal of GA. evening@cbsnews.com (CBS News E-Mail) trissel@eaglesnest.aero (Airport Manager quoted in CBS Story) lesley1414@msn.com (Lesley Hock, Realtor quoted in CBS Story) Thanks, Fred Do Not Archive Fred Oldenburg N270S (Reserved) RV-7A - Empennage http://www.rv.oldsack.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:13 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: which kit to buy????? --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > > Just for the fun of it, What do you think a completed RV 10 > with IFR panel, and low time engine would sell for? My guess would be about $150k. Look at what the competition goes for. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 427 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:25 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: Gluing Drilled Canopy? --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Ken, We deburred our holes (had drilled them all) and used SemWeld (aka ProSeal) to attach our canopy with a few (probably4 4-5 on each side) to hold the shirt to the canopy and frame on the forward end and side. No issues in 200+ hours. Good Building, Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "Ken Brooks" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: Gluing Drilled Canopy? >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:25:37 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" > >Dear -listers, > I've just finished reading the article in the new SA about gluing on >one's canopy and have a question for y'all. I've already drilled the >sliding portion of the plexi to the canopy frame, but only with the #40 >drill bit. > >Am I committed to riveting the canopy, or could I glue it on and just use >the clecoes as "clamps" while the glue cures and then remove them? > >Obviously, all the holes would have to be stress-relieved (smoothed) well, >but if the #40 holes in the plexi wouldn't give me problems later, I'd >really like to try the glue method for all the positive reasons spelled out >in the SA article. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. > >Ken Brooks >Roscoe, IL >Like Vince H., procrastinating on the canopy. > > Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:00 AM PST US From: "Glen Matejcek" Subject: RV-List: List: ELTs --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" Hi all- I understand satellite tracking of 121.5 is going away and that 406 is the way of the future, but as I understand it most recent 121.5 ELT's also transmit on 243, and that freq will be satellite supported indefinitely. gm ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:18 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" It would help if your list of advertisers were e-mail addresses rather than web site addresses. But even then thanks for the help. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Oldenburg" Subject: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News > --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg > > Did anyone see this story on CBS news last night: > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/14/eveningnews/main593216.shtml > > AOPA is following this: > > http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2004/04-1-029x.html > > There is also good article on it here: > > http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=139faa40-aa30-4cd2-a8bb-44 d7156e949b& > > I found this style of reporting from CBS very troubling. As is Typical of major news outlets, they seem to be more interested in sensationalism rather than presenting a fair and balanced report. > > Im going to be writing some letters and e-mail on this one. Id urge you to do the same if you can. We need to get a grass roots campaign against this type of maligning of the facts about GA. > > Ive compiled a list of sponsors from last night's CBS news broadcast: > > Detrol LA = Pfizer Pharmaceutical - http://www.pfizer.com > Plavix = Bristol-Meyers Squibb - http://www.bms.com/ > CoricidinHBP = Schering-Plough HealthCare Products - http://www.sphcp.com/ > Centrum = Wyeth Consumer Healthcare - http://www.wyeth.com/ > Fosamax = Merck & Co. - http://www.merck.com/ > Hyundai of America - http://www.hyundaiusa.com/ > Hidden Valley Ranch = The HV Food Products Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Clorox Company - http://www.hiddenvalleyranch.com/ > Campbells Soup - http://www.campbellsoupcompany.com/contact_campbell.asp > One Touch Ultra = Lifescan, A Johnson & Johnson Company - http://www.lifescan.com/ > Bayer Asprin - Bayer AG - http://www.bayer.com/en/index.php > Quaker Oats - Pepsico - http://www.pepsico.com/ > Rollaids - Pfizer Pharmaceutical - http://www.pfizer.com/ > CVS Pharmacy - http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/cvsmain > Walmart - http://www.walmart.com/ > > Please help if you can by letting these sponsors (and CBS News) know how you feel about CBS unfair portrayal of GA. > > evening@cbsnews.com (CBS News E-Mail) > trissel@eaglesnest.aero (Airport Manager quoted in CBS Story) > lesley1414@msn.com (Lesley Hock, Realtor quoted in CBS Story) > > Thanks, > > Fred > > Do Not Archive > > > Fred Oldenburg > N270S (Reserved) RV-7A - Empennage > http://www.rv.oldsack.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:58 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: List: ELTs --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins I don't know how long 243 MHz will be around, but are there any 406 MHz ELTs on the market? Mickey >I understand satellite tracking of 121.5 is going away and that 406 is the >way of the future, but as I understand it most recent 121.5 ELT's also >transmit on 243, and that freq will be satellite supported indefinitely. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:53 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" Go to this site and hit feedback button and give'em hell! Here is mine. Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal Do not archive http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/14/eveningnews/main593216.shtml Your story on General Aviation was irresponsible and simple fear mongering. Your premise that restricting basic freedoms, like driving or flying, will make us safe is flawed. Small airplanes represent no greater threat than mini vans, or pickup trucks. They are several orders of magnitude less threatening than large over the road trucks, railroad tracks, or ship containers which could just as easily be used for a terrorist attack. Why not do a story about how the government has spent millions, if not billions on aviation security so they can tell the public, "look at all we are doing to keep you safe!" When in fact, the government can do, and has done, very little to keep you safe from terrorist. The trucking industry, the rail industry operate pretty much as they always have, and they should. Most ship containers that enter our country are still never inspected. Why? Because if applied the requirements and hassles across the transportation industry that we have dumped on aviation, our economy would come to a halt! Why not do a story that suggests that everyone must call some government agency and get an approval, a flight plan if you will, to drive downtown to the local grocery store. After all, the driver may be a known terrorist and might use their mini-van as a mobile bomb? How much mail do you think you would get about that? Upon arrival at the store, you would be required to call in and report that you had arrived at your destination. And then again, driving home would require another approval of your "flight plan." Sound crazy? Certainly it is! Why then should I have to get to fly my airplane 100 miles to have lunch with my 87 year old Grandmother? Why should the airways be any more restricted than the freeways? Why not do a story about how many lives are lost annually to drunk drivers? Suggest the outrage the government inspite of these deaths the government has not required a fence around bars and restaurants that serve alcohol and required a breath test to enter the highway? How much mail would you get about that? Do you think Budwieser and Miller Brewing might rethink their advertising expenditures with your network? There is not enough barbed wire or bureaucrats in the world to make us safe. The citizens must accept there is a risk to living in a free society. My forefathers fled their Dutch homeland to find economic, religious freedoms that your story proposes to hand back to the government with out so much as a discussion. As a news organization you a RIGHT to talk about General Aviation, but if you do, you have a RESPONSIBILITY to shine as much light on how small the threat really is in comparisons to other things around us that citizens take for granted every day. When people or news organizations exercise rights without accepting the responsibilities inherent, those rights go away. In short you put the freedom of the press at risk, and that brings us back to my original point. Taking away freedom will never make us safe. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:54 AM PST US From: "Joe & Jan Connell" Subject: RV-List: How to sell an unfinished homebuilt? --> RV-List message posted by: "Joe & Jan Connell" Gentlemen: A friend of mine is building a Fisher Classic, a wood and fabric biplane with Rotax 582 engine. The plane is about ready for covering and he has about $20K in it. Steve has been diagnosed with ALS (Lou Gehrig's disease) and it is progressing rapidly. He has tried to sell it on E-bay and via a biplane Internet site. We are also placing ads in Sport Aviation and Kitplanes. There have been almost no nibbles as it is not main stream like a Kitfox or an RV. Would you reply to me off-line with any ideas you may have on how to sell this project? I'm sorry this is off topic but I know my fellow RV builders have great ideas... Thanks. Joe Connell, RV-9A, N95JJ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:50 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: RV-List: Fw: --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > These are the advertiser e-mails that I sent the message below. > > , > , > , > , > , > > > I realize that advertising is very important to you and your company. The > selection of your venue needs to project an honest reliable picture. This > was not the case last night on your sponsored CBS Evening News. Their lack > of honesty and credibility reflects on you the advertiser. Their scare > piece on General Aviation and Terrorists did nothing to enhance your > company. > > Cy Galley > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:30 AM PST US From: "Ernest Kells" Subject: Re: RV-List: aircraft condition inspection? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" Jerry: I assume that you are asking about the actual checklist of tasks to be done at the annual/100 Hour inspection. I have this checklist developed for my specific RV-9A. For example: C. CABIN GROUP: - - 15. _____ Check condition and operation of Cabin Heater and Windshield Defroster. - - It is still a work-in-progress that I refine as I finish the project. It is a full four page Word 97 document which may give you a starting point. Ernest Kells - RV-9A O235-N2C, Wood Prop 90 + % Complete - (wiring and painting). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: aircraft condition inspection? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > > Jerry, > > Your Phase II Operating Limitations provided by your FAA Inspector or > DAR > will (or should) have the statement in it. (example follows) > > 12. No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the proceeding > 12 > calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in > accordance > with Appendix D of Part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe > operation. Additionally, this inspection shall be in accordance with the > limitation (13) listed below. > > 13. Condition inspections shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance > records showing the following or similarly worded statement: "I certify > that this aircraft has been inspected on (insert date) in accordance > with > the scope and detail of Appendix D of Part 43 and found to be in a > condition for safe operation." The entry will include the certificate > type/number of the person performing the inspection. > > FYI, Take a close look at appendix D of Part 43. It details what the > condition inspection must cover. > > > Bruce > www.glasair.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > WPAerial@aol.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: aircraft condition inspection? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com > > Hello, > > Does anyone have a list of what to inspect when doing the yearly > aircraft > condition inspection? Also how to write it in the log? I looked in the > archives. > > do not archive > > Jerry Wilken > N699WP > RV6A 199 hours > Albany Oregon > > > == > == > == > == > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:41 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" My reply: Your report on small airport security (air parks) is utter fear mongering, alarmist, checkout lane tabloid drivel. The air parks I have visited are very close-knit communities. Neighbors share a common passion, aviation, and they support each other, come to know each other's habits, and can tell if someone just doesn't belong there. Put razor wire around these parks and security fences? You want to tell John Travolta he can't fly his Boeing 707 whenever he wants to without a security check? Is he more or less a risk than I am in my single engine airplane? Would you really want to put shackles on the ultimate form of human freedom: flying? Life in a free society isn't safe, nor is it secure at all times. We live, we choose our risks, and we take our chances by crossing the street to buy a gallon of milk. If I want to fly to the next state to buy that milk, then I will do so, because I can, I EARNED the privelege of doing so. I can also drive there, in my truck and crash it into the store if I so choose. Care to put security fences around the local 7-11? Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 do not archive Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:18 AM PST US From: "BLAKE" Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" Cy, Thanks for bringing our attention to this misinformed news media. Its truly sad that our nation will continue to live in fear of aviation after 9/11. The attacks on that day are so elaborate, so coordinated that it would be nearly impossible to duplicate. We should be focusing attention on much less elaborate schemes such as the water supply and biological terrorism. Better border security would be a great place to start. Sorry to tangent, but back to the real issue of GA, if you would like to go staight to the source of these comments from Mr. Trissel, just use the information below to call or email him directly. The sponsors don't care, but Mr. Trissel has dramatized this GA terror threat without any consideration for the impact it could have on GA. Let him know how you fee. Blake Domain Name: eaglesnest.aero Creation Date: 2003-02-04 20:18:45 UTC Last Modification Date: 2003-02-10T20:00:39.741Z Expiration Date: 2005-02-04 20:18:45 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: R78-AERO Created by: R78-AERO Updated by: R78-AERO Last Updated By Registrar: R78-AERO Maintainer: http://www.domainbank.aero/ ENS_AuthID: E21134-ENSR Admin ID: C3555897-AERO Admin Name: John Trissel Jr Admin Organization: Eagle's Nest Flight Services Admin Address: 249 Aero Drive Admin City: Waynesboro Admin State/Province: VA Admin Postal Code: 22980 Admin Country: US Admin Phone Number: +1.5409434447 Admin Fax Number: +1.5409497359 Admin Email: jtrissel@cfw.com Billing ID: C3555897-AERO Billing Name: John Trissel Jr Billing Organization: Eagle's Nest Flight Services Billing Address: 249 Aero Drive Billing City: Waynesboro Billing State/Province: VA Billing Postal Code: 22980 Billing Country: US Billing Phone Number: +1.5409434447 Billing Fax Number: +1.5409497359 Billing Email: jtrissel@cfw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > It would help if your list of advertisers were e-mail addresses rather than > web site addresses. But even then thanks for the help. > > Cy Galley > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frederick Oldenburg" > To: > Subject: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg > > > > > Did anyone see this story on CBS news last night: > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/14/eveningnews/main593216.shtml > > > > AOPA is following this: > > > > http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2004/04-1-029x.html > > > > There is also good article on it here: > > > > > http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=139faa40-aa30-4cd2-a8bb-44 > d7156e949b& > > > > I found this style of reporting from CBS very troubling. As is Typical of > major news outlets, they seem to be more interested in sensationalism rather > than presenting a fair and balanced report. > > > > Im going to be writing some letters and e-mail on this one. Id urge you to > do the same if you can. We need to get a grass roots campaign against this > type of maligning of the facts about GA. > > > > Ive compiled a list of sponsors from last night's CBS news broadcast: > > > > Detrol LA = Pfizer Pharmaceutical - http://www.pfizer.com > > Plavix = Bristol-Meyers Squibb - http://www.bms.com/ > > CoricidinHBP = Schering-Plough HealthCare Products - http://www.sphcp.com/ > > Centrum = Wyeth Consumer Healthcare - http://www.wyeth.com/ > > Fosamax = Merck & Co. - http://www.merck.com/ > > Hyundai of America - http://www.hyundaiusa.com/ > > Hidden Valley Ranch = The HV Food Products Company, a wholly owned > subsidiary of The Clorox Company - http://www.hiddenvalleyranch.com/ > > Campbells Soup - http://www.campbellsoupcompany.com/contact_campbell.asp > > One Touch Ultra = Lifescan, A Johnson & Johnson Company - > http://www.lifescan.com/ > > Bayer Asprin - Bayer AG - http://www.bayer.com/en/index.php > > Quaker Oats - Pepsico - http://www.pepsico.com/ > > Rollaids - Pfizer Pharmaceutical - http://www.pfizer.com/ > > CVS Pharmacy - http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/cvsmain > > Walmart - http://www.walmart.com/ > > > > Please help if you can by letting these sponsors (and CBS News) know how > you feel about CBS unfair portrayal of GA. > > > > evening@cbsnews.com (CBS News E-Mail) > > trissel@eaglesnest.aero (Airport Manager quoted in CBS Story) > > lesley1414@msn.com (Lesley Hock, Realtor quoted in CBS Story) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Fred > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > Fred Oldenburg > > N270S (Reserved) RV-7A - Empennage > > http://www.rv.oldsack.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:58 AM PST US From: "BLAKE" Subject: Re: RV-List: aircraft condition inspection? --> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" Try the link below on FAA site with App. D. http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfr43_00.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: aircraft condition inspection? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > > Jerry, > > Your Phase II Operating Limitations provided by your FAA Inspector or > DAR > will (or should) have the statement in it. (example follows) > > 12. No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the proceeding > 12 > calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in > accordance > with Appendix D of Part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe > operation. Additionally, this inspection shall be in accordance with the > limitation (13) listed below. > > 13. Condition inspections shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance > records showing the following or similarly worded statement: "I certify > that this aircraft has been inspected on (insert date) in accordance > with > the scope and detail of Appendix D of Part 43 and found to be in a > condition for safe operation." The entry will include the certificate > type/number of the person performing the inspection. > > FYI, Take a close look at appendix D of Part 43. It details what the > condition inspection must cover. > > > Bruce > www.glasair.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > WPAerial@aol.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: aircraft condition inspection? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com > > Hello, > > Does anyone have a list of what to inspect when doing the yearly > aircraft > condition inspection? Also how to write it in the log? I looked in the > archives. > > do not archive > > Jerry Wilken > N699WP > RV6A 199 hours > Albany Oregon > > > == > == > == > == > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:16 PM PST US From: "Jim Cimino" Subject: RV-List: GA Bashing on CBS (long) --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" Here is the letter I sent to them, I hope they read it. James Cimino RV-8 SN 80039 100+ Hours 570-842-4057 http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/ I was very disappointed in your story regarding general aviation and the possible terrorist activities that can arise from their airports. Comparing light aircraft and general aviation to the threat posed by large commercial aircraft is like comparing pee wee football to the NFL. Small aircraft are less likely to be used by terrorists than the family car. You pointed out the antics of one crazy pilot who stole a Cessna 172 and flew it into a building. If I am correct, he was the only fatality, and even if I am not, do you really think that any organized terrorist group would waste there time and resources to kill one or two people. A Cessna 172 (which is a typical light general aviation aircraft) has an empty weight of around 1400 lbs. and a gross weight of around 2300 lbs. That means that after you load a pilot and put fuel in the airplane you can carry about 500 lbs. of cargo that must be properly loaded for the aircraft to fly. I realize that 500 lbs. of explosives can do a lot of damage, but I can put more than that in the trunk of my car. How about rental trucks and semi-trailers...how much explosives do you think they can carry? Out of the vehicles I mentioned, which one do you think is easier to get, carries more payload, and is less likely to attract attention? General Aviation has taken a large hit on their freedoms since 9-11 without any good reason. The only people who would use small aircraft for this purpose are the few solo nut cases out their. You will not find any example of an organized threat from GA in history, because it is not practical. We are being told that we need to send a message to terrorists that they cannot dampen the American Spirit, and we should show this by going about our daily lives as normal as we can. But thanks to Homeland Security and the News, we are not allowed to do that. Many people have lost their jobs working in aviation because of the fear that aviation is a target for terrorism. Companies have gone bankrupt because the CIA couldn't do their job. Now we have Homeland Security putting up alerts and stepping up security in order to justify their jobs. Then President Bush tells us to live normal lives. Anybody with any brains at all knows that you cannot totally protect soft targets and that terrorists what to make big statements. General aviation aircraft will not be part of this and your ridiculous consideration of it just shows that you love to keep the terrorist threat on the front page. I do not mind being inconvenienced for security in real threats, but I think we need to get real. What will you propose next? Maybe we should not allow children to go out trick-or-treating? You know we don't know who is behind that mask and what might be in their bag. My own personal airplane can only carry about 250 lbs of cargo after I load myself and fuel, I think the only damage that can be done is to the plane and pilot. If I travel anywhere near large populations, my actions are watched on radar and I cannot out-run even the slowest military airplane. How close are we watching other forms of transportation? Just because my airplane has wings and a tail, does not put in the same category as a commercial jet. You keep this kind of reporting up, we will not even be able to drive our cars into large cities or over bridges without being searched. I honestly do not right letters like this normally, but I think general aviation and aviation in general has been hurt enough. The next time I am contacted by life-flight to transport a transplant patient or a heart for transplant, I hope no one will mind that because of regulations I might not be able to get their in time if at all. I honestly have not seen such a poorly thought out shot at GA, since Barbara Walters stated that if John Kennedy JR. had been flying with more than one engine, he might still be alive. As a flight instructor I have been contacted a number of times by the FAA telling us to change the way we teach in order to offset poor judgment made by one high profile individual. I am getting a little tired of it. Look at the statistics! How many GA flights a year? How many GA pilots and students? How many incidents? I am proud to be a pilot and never wanted to be a commercial pilot. I fly for fun and relaxation...maybe you should try it. Why don't you talk to AOPA and the EAA, maybe they can explain it better than we can. Just because one person or a group of people use airplanes for terrorist activities, doesn't mean that all of GA should suffer. Hey, I just thought of something! Remote controlled airplanes can carry explosives too, and some of them are getting real big. Go get them!!! Jim Cimino CFII ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:17 PM PST US From: Jason Sneed Subject: RV-List: Keep water out of the cockpit --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed > > Can someone tell me how to stop rain water from leaking into my > cockpit when the airplane is sitting outside? I tried silicone today > and it slowed the water but did not stop it from coming in. Also, if I > keep adding silicone the darn slider will not shut and lock. There has > to be a better fix. I have a cover but I still get water with the > cover on. > > Thanks, > > Jason Sneed > 850-598-3063 > > See ya in Lakeland this weekend! Jason Sneed Commercial Lending Officer First National Bank and Trust 850-796-2000 Ext:2341 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:01 PM PST US From: "D Ford" Subject: RV-List: OATs & overhauled engine --> RV-List message posted by: "D Ford" I am ready for my first flight in my RV but have hesitation due to OAT and breaking in my overhauled engine. Is there any reason that the CHTs would be too low to break in the rings? This weekend shoud be 15 to 25 degF, currently it's below 10 deg. Someone told me to wait until it's above 30 deg. Looking for more experience here... Dave Ford RV6 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Keep water out of the cockpit From: cecilth@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com Jason, the proper way to stop the water, is to move it to Southern California. That will do it. Cecil > > > > Can someone tell me how to stop rain water from leaking into my > > cockpit when the airplane is sitting outside? I tried silicone > today > > and it slowed the water but did not stop it from coming in. Also, > if I > > keep adding silicone the darn slider will not shut and lock. There > has > > to be a better fix. I have a cover but I still get water with the > > cover on. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jason Sneed > > 850-598-3063 > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:01 PM PST US From: Jason Sneed Subject: RV-List: correction to leak problem (RV-6 Slider) --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed > >> >> Can someone tell me how to stop rain water from leaking into my >> cockpit when the airplane is sitting outside? I tried silicone today >> and it slowed the water but did not stop it from coming in. Also, if >> I keep adding silicone the darn slider will not shut and lock. There >> has to be a better fix. (RV-6 slider... sorry) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jason Sneed >> 850-598-3063 >> >> See ya in Lakeland this weekend! >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:34 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Keep water out of the cockpit From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" > Jason, the proper way to stop the water, is to move it to Southern California. ... But, man, it pours. Do Not Archive Frank Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:14 PM PST US From: "Ron Walker" Subject: RV-List: More MicroAir 760 --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" I wired up my intercom -an ACS-400 the same as a PS Eng, PM501 - with my MicroAir 760 today. The mike/earphone pieces are wired in to the intercom first with the intercom then wired in to the 760. The issue is the 760 diagram indicates that the MIKE ground needs to be connected specifically to pin 2 of its input. I don't think the solution is to wire the "hot" line of the mike to the intercom and ground to the 760. I fired it up leaving pin 2 on the 760 open, and it did work, but there was quite a background hum as expected. Has anyone figured this one out ? Ron ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:46 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" I don't think Mr. Trissel is the problem. I feel he was duped and or misquoted. When a reporter goes out to do a hatchet job like this, he already has a premise and is just looking for quotes and figures to back it up. If you re-read the article it starts with the storage place for planes as being a hanger which indicates to me the writer doesn't know airplanes. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "BLAKE" Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News > --> RV-List message posted by: "BLAKE" > > Cy, > Thanks for bringing our attention to this misinformed news media. Its truly > sad that our nation will continue to live in fear of aviation after 9/11. > The attacks on that day are so elaborate, so coordinated that it would be > nearly impossible to duplicate. We should be focusing attention on much > less elaborate schemes such as the water supply and biological terrorism. > Better border security would be a great place to start. Sorry to tangent, > but back to the real issue of GA, if you would like to go staight to the > source of these comments from Mr. Trissel, just use the information below to > call or email him directly. The sponsors don't care, but Mr. Trissel has > dramatized this GA terror threat without any consideration for the impact it > could have on GA. Let him know how you fee. > > Blake > > Domain Name: eaglesnest.aero > Creation Date: 2003-02-04 20:18:45 UTC > Last Modification Date: 2003-02-10T20:00:39.741Z > Expiration Date: 2005-02-04 20:18:45 UTC > Sponsoring Registrar: R78-AERO > Created by: R78-AERO > Updated by: R78-AERO > Last Updated By Registrar: R78-AERO > Maintainer: http://www.domainbank.aero/ > ENS_AuthID: E21134-ENSR > Admin ID: C3555897-AERO > Admin Name: John Trissel Jr > Admin Organization: Eagle's Nest Flight Services > Admin Address: 249 Aero Drive > Admin City: Waynesboro > Admin State/Province: VA > Admin Postal Code: 22980 > Admin Country: US > Admin Phone Number: +1.5409434447 > Admin Fax Number: +1.5409497359 > Admin Email: jtrissel@cfw.com > Billing ID: C3555897-AERO > Billing Name: John Trissel Jr > Billing Organization: Eagle's Nest Flight Services > Billing Address: 249 Aero Drive > Billing City: Waynesboro > Billing State/Province: VA > Billing Postal Code: 22980 > Billing Country: US > Billing Phone Number: +1.5409434447 > Billing Fax Number: +1.5409497359 > Billing Email: jtrissel@cfw.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cy Galley" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > > > It would help if your list of advertisers were e-mail addresses rather > than > > web site addresses. But even then thanks for the help. > > > > Cy Galley > > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frederick Oldenburg" > > To: > > Subject: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg > > > > > > > > Did anyone see this story on CBS news last night: > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/14/eveningnews/main593216.shtml > > > > > > AOPA is following this: > > > > > > http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2004/04-1-029x.html > > > > > > There is also good article on it here: > > > > > > > > > http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=139faa40-aa30-4cd2-a8bb-44 > > d7156e949b& > > > > > > I found this style of reporting from CBS very troubling. As is Typical > of > > major news outlets, they seem to be more interested in sensationalism > rather > > than presenting a fair and balanced report. > > > > > > Im going to be writing some letters and e-mail on this one. Id urge you > to > > do the same if you can. We need to get a grass roots campaign against this > > type of maligning of the facts about GA. > > > > > > Ive compiled a list of sponsors from last night's CBS news broadcast: > > > > > > Detrol LA = Pfizer Pharmaceutical - http://www.pfizer.com > > > Plavix = Bristol-Meyers Squibb - http://www.bms.com/ > > > CoricidinHBP = Schering-Plough HealthCare Products - > http://www.sphcp.com/ > > > Centrum = Wyeth Consumer Healthcare - http://www.wyeth.com/ > > > Fosamax = Merck & Co. - http://www.merck.com/ > > > Hyundai of America - http://www.hyundaiusa.com/ > > > Hidden Valley Ranch = The HV Food Products Company, a wholly owned > > subsidiary of The Clorox Company - http://www.hiddenvalleyranch.com/ > > > Campbells Soup - http://www.campbellsoupcompany.com/contact_campbell.asp > > > One Touch Ultra = Lifescan, A Johnson & Johnson Company - > > http://www.lifescan.com/ > > > Bayer Asprin - Bayer AG - http://www.bayer.com/en/index.php > > > Quaker Oats - Pepsico - http://www.pepsico.com/ > > > Rollaids - Pfizer Pharmaceutical - http://www.pfizer.com/ > > > CVS Pharmacy - http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/cvsmain > > > Walmart - http://www.walmart.com/ > > > > > > Please help if you can by letting these sponsors (and CBS News) know how > > you feel about CBS unfair portrayal of GA. > > > > > > evening@cbsnews.com (CBS News E-Mail) > > > trissel@eaglesnest.aero (Airport Manager quoted in CBS Story) > > > lesley1414@msn.com (Lesley Hock, Realtor quoted in CBS Story) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > > Fred Oldenburg > > > N270S (Reserved) RV-7A - Empennage > > > http://www.rv.oldsack.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:22 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Marvel carb rebuild kit --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Hi List- After lots of archive browsing, I couldn't find any information on where to purchase a rebuild kit for a Marvel Schebler carb- my carb needs a new float needle and gasket. Will spend a few hours staring at the yellow pages (Trade-a-flame) tomorrow, but it y'all got any useful suggestions, I'd appreciate it!! Ready to schedule DAR if it weren't for this #@*&%$@leaking carb!!!! From The PossumWorks in TN Mark - Engine ran yesterday after a quarter-century- woohooo!!!!!!! ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Keep water out of the cockpit From: Patty & Dan Krueger --> RV-List message posted by: Patty & Dan Krueger O > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:16 PM PST US From: "Randy Compton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" > Well, Van's was down for inventory from January 1 to 9th (give or take a > day), therfore they are probably way behind on orders. They were not shipping at > all during this time. I certainly hope this, as well as the very adverse weather recently explains why the exhaust system I ordered on 23 December just got shipped today, with an expected delivery date of 22 Jan. At grave risk of intense flames, let's face it, a month from order to delivery is not something to be proud of, regardless of the company size. Randy Compton RV-3 Gulf Breeze, FL ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:34 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: correction to leak problem (RV-6 Slider) --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" They make a very runny rtv auto windshield sealer that will wick into cracks. Clear and hardy noticeable. Try Auto Zone or Pep Boys. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sneed" Subject: RV-List: correction to leak problem (RV-6 Slider) > --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed > > > > > >> > >> Can someone tell me how to stop rain water from leaking into my > >> cockpit when the airplane is sitting outside? I tried silicone today > >> and it slowed the water but did not stop it from coming in. Also, if > >> I keep adding silicone the darn slider will not shut and lock. There > >> has to be a better fix. (RV-6 slider... sorry) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Jason Sneed > >> 850-598-3063 > >> > >> See ya in Lakeland this weekend! > >> > >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:50 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: RV-List: RV-6 wings for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" Fellow Listers: Another re-posting of this for a local friend here in Minneapolis (the price is right!): RV-6 wings from partially completed kit. The wings are 90% finished and includes center section components. Price reduced to $2000 Contact me off list and I'll forward your inquiry. Thanks Doug Weiler Hudson, WI ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:34 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gluing Drilled Canopy? --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" > > We deburred our holes (had drilled them all) and used SemWeld (aka ProSeal) > to attach our canopy with a few (probably4 4-5 on each side) to hold the > shirt to the canopy and frame on the forward end and side. No issues in 200+ > hours. > > Good Building, > Greetings all: This topic has just become rather timely for me. Today I flew my newly finished RV-4 to the paint shop (just a 10 minute flight). It was cold today (10 degrees F). We put the airplane in the shops nice hangar and I began to take off the control surfaces, cowl, tips, etc. I just happen to glance at the canopy during the process and it was CRACKED!!! I could not believe my eyes! It was about 6 inches up from one of the rivet holes (this hole did originally have a 1/4" crack coming from it which I had stop drilled previously). But the airplane was rolled from the cold into a hangar heated by overheat gas radiant heaters (those long tube-type). I think this radiant heat and quick temp change propagated the crack (my own hangar is heated, but with forced air gas). Needless to say, the paint job was postponed. I stop drilled the big, bug crack, buttoned everything up and went home. So now I have order a new canopy and all the trimmings again. My question to all the experts... does anyone see any downside to this technique of gluing a canopy in place. I may consider it. Now I am really gun-shy of holes in by canopy (not a cheap lesson, by the way!) Doug Weiler Hudson, WI N722DW, cracked and grounded ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:55 PM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: correction to leak problem (RV-6 Slider) --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes Duct tape also known as Duck tape Glom it on over the break. Actually, a hangar works really well. Next best is a canopy cover. hal At 06:10 PM 1/15/2004 -0600, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed > > > > > >> > >> Can someone tell me how to stop rain water from leaking into my > >> cockpit when the airplane is sitting outside? I tried silicone today > >> and it slowed the water but did not stop it from coming in. Also, if > >> I keep adding silicone the darn slider will not shut and lock. There > >> has to be a better fix. (RV-6 slider... sorry) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Jason Sneed > >> 850-598-3063 > >> > >> See ya in Lakeland this weekend! > >> > >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:03 PM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes Besides telling CBS that I would have to go and again warn my friends that CBS will pollute their minds with editorials in the name of news I told them this: The real threat terrorists pose is fear and terror generated by irresponsible members of the press. You and your ilk are their witless accomplices. Further, you injure good honest citizens with your claptrap. What about tractor trailer rigs as bombs? Even cars? Terrorists are doing well overseas with simple bombs in ordinary vehicles. Your idea of small airplanes as major threat might sell advertising but it is a silly idea. Finally, had your reporting been competent, you would have found that many small airports do have good security and are upgrading. We are all much more watchful of strangers at the smaller airports. =============== Fellow flyers, tell everyone. Little point in telling CBS they are wrong etc, they know it and don't care. It isn't just CBS and it isn't just this story. We are fed propaganda on a regular basis, usually in the name of greed but for political goals too. It seems odd but news is getting harder to find everyday! hal ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:14 PM PST US From: "Tommy Mead" Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing on CBS (long) Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:08:03 -0600 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Mead" please don't turn the discussion to other forms of recreation, Radio Control Models in particular. I enjoy both and would hate to have the "knee jerk reactionary public informers" (press) make all of our hobbies and loves curtailed and dictated by uninformed low paid political appointee's. Thank you, Tommy Mead bigun73@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Cimino To: RV-LIST Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:05 PM Subject: RV-List: GA Bashing on CBS (long) --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" > Here is the letter I sent to them, I hope they read it. James Cimino RV-8 SN 80039 100+ Hours 570-842-4057 http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/ ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:11 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing on CBS (long) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer WHAT? Instead of running and hiding we should all be banding together to stop this kind of reporting. AMA, EAA, AOPA etc. should all pool their resources to fight this and get the truth out. If you and the RC modelers don't want to be involved or included who is going to support the RC group when they DO come after you and the rest of us are already gone? I enjoy RCs also and was addicted to it for years, so lets not seperate lets band together. Jerry do not archive Tommy Mead wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Mead" > >please don't turn the discussion to other forms of recreation, Radio Control Models in particular. I enjoy both and would hate to have the "knee jerk reactionary public informers" (press) make all of our hobbies and loves curtailed and dictated by uninformed low paid political appointee's. > >Thank you, >Tommy Mead > >bigun73@msn.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Cimino > To: RV-LIST > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:05 PM > Subject: RV-List: GA Bashing on CBS (long) > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" > > > Here is the letter I sent to them, I hope they read it. > > James Cimino > RV-8 SN 80039 > 100+ Hours > 570-842-4057 > http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/ > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:45 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping, long post. --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Well Randy you did ask for "flames" and as everyone on the RV and Rockets lists knows if you ask me for help I'm always eager to help. Lets say that Van's is a family type of company (like the ones I owned) and gives time off for things like Christmas and New Years. Both were on a Thursday so I'll bet that Van's was short handed at best on both. With the holidays a lot of firms were also closed or at a bare minimum on both Fridays. Van's was closed from Jan. 1st thru the 9th. Your order was placed on the 23rd. IF we count that and the 24th we have two days. Workers off for the week end, open on the 29th and 30th. Total now four days. Closed from 1 thru 1-9-2004. Open and filling orders on the 12th, 13th, 14th and your order shipped on the 15th. At the absolute most that's 7 or 8 working days, plus you must mix in the weather. That means it took closer to a WEEK not a month to fill your order. As a sidebar we ordered two tank drains from Van's about the same time. They were in stock, Van's processed the order, get two from the shelf, filled and addressed the envelope and shipped UPS. When did we get them, TODAY. They were shipped the 12th. No crating, no special handling etc. just two small parts in a 6X6" envelope. I've ordered lots of specialty plumbing and A/C items over the years and most shops work with "7 to 10 working days" delays as normal if the item is in stock somewhere and a month if it's anything other than off the sheilf. I just ordered a part from NAPA (paid in advance of course) and it's "next to 3 days" delivery and their West Coast distrubation center is in Fontana, Calif. (about 45 miles south of Apple Valley) and we have our normal perfect So. California weather. Van's does not need my help in defending themselves BUT you did ask for help in understanding and as I said, ask and you will recieve. I'll help just about anyone in need. Our HRII hanger is open to all. Since we started building Tom & I made a pact, if someone comes by Tom talks to, shows and explains while I keep working. With only 1/2 the crew working WE are working at maybe 1/3 speed overall. But we enjoy hanger talk and showing off N561FS. KABONG Do Not Archive. (GBA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Compton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" > > > Well, Van's was down for inventory from January 1 to 9th (give or take a > > day), therfore they are probably way behind on orders. They were not > shipping at > > all during this time. > > I certainly hope this, as well as the very adverse weather recently explains > why the exhaust system I ordered on 23 December just got shipped today, with > an expected delivery date of 22 Jan. > > At grave risk of intense flames, let's face it, a month from order to > delivery is not something to be proud of, regardless of the company size. > > Randy Compton > RV-3 Gulf Breeze, FL > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:12 PM PST US From: "Greg Milner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Marvel carb rebuild kit --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Milner" Hey Mark, Just wanted to inform you of the characteristic leak from the Mrvel Schebler carb from running and not flying. I found mine to drip after I adjusted the idle jet and had no prblems noted before. I asked an AI and he said it`s normal and couldn`r really explain it. If it leaks with the boost pump on you have a problem but if it just drips after test running on the ground I wouldn`t get alarmed. It sounds crazy but it`s true. Red Milner RV-4 79KM based @ UES ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Marvel carb rebuild kit > --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > Hi List- > > After lots of archive browsing, I couldn't find any information on where to > purchase a rebuild kit for a Marvel Schebler carb- my carb needs a new float > needle and gasket. Will spend a few hours staring at the yellow pages > (Trade-a-flame) tomorrow, but it y'all got any useful suggestions, I'd appreciate it!! > > Ready to schedule DAR if it weren't for this #@*&%$@leaking carb!!!! > > From The PossumWorks in TN > Mark - Engine ran yesterday after a quarter-century- woohooo!!!!!!! > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:38 PM PST US From: "rv6tc" Subject: Re: RV-List: GA Bashing by CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" Very well stated. Keith do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "kempthornes" > > The real threat terrorists pose is fear and terror generated by > irresponsible members of the press. You and your ilk are their witless > accomplices. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:36 PM PST US From: "GMC" Subject: RE: RV-List: Marvel carb rebuild kit --> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" If you happen to be using mogas for your ground runs try 100LL and the carb dripping might stop. My Cessna 182 dripped with mogas and was fine with 100LL. George in Langley --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Hi List- After lots of archive browsing, I couldn't find any information on where to purchase a rebuild kit for a Marvel Schebler carb- my carb needs a new float needle and gasket. Will spend a few hours staring at the yellow pages (Trade-a-flame) tomorrow, but it y'all got any useful suggestions, I'd appreciate it!! Ready to schedule DAR if it weren't for this #@*&%$@leaking carb!!!! From The PossumWorks in TN Mark - Engine ran yesterday after a quarter-century- woohooo!!!!!!!