---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/16/04: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:23 AM - Re: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? (Dana Overall) 2. 05:23 AM - Re: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? (Denis Walsh) 3. 05:54 AM - Re: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? (Randy Compton) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: Vans shipping (Scott Bilinski) 5. 06:22 AM - Re: List: ELTs (linn walters) 6. 06:39 AM - CBS News (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com) 7. 07:41 AM - Re: CBS News (linn walters) 8. 07:54 AM - CBS and Hypocrisy (Rick Galati) 9. 08:38 AM - Re: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? (JOHN STARN) 10. 08:54 AM - Re: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? (Kosta Lewis) 11. 09:01 AM - Re: CBS and Hypocrisy (Bobby Sather) 12. 09:05 AM - Re: CBS and Hypocrisy (Terry Watson) 13. 09:08 AM - Re: GA Bashing by CBS News (marknlisa@hometel.com) 14. 10:21 AM - project (Noel & Yoshie Simmons) 15. 11:27 AM - Re: Gluing Drilled Canopy? (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 16. 12:21 PM - Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs (Bruce Bell) 17. 12:51 PM - Re: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs (Gary Zilik) 18. 01:15 PM - Re: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs (Scott Bilinski) 19. 01:19 PM - Terra Tri-nav problem (John Decuir) 20. 01:24 PM - Re: RV7-List: project (Charlie & Tupper England) 21. 01:50 PM - Skybound II (Wheeler North) 22. 02:28 PM - Tinted plastic (Wheeler North) 23. 02:46 PM - Re: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs (Randy Lervold) 24. 02:47 PM - Vans (Wheeler North) 25. 02:59 PM - Garmin 430/530 help needed (Laird Owens) 26. 03:15 PM - Carb leak (Wheeler North) 27. 03:52 PM - Re: INS 422 Nav (kempthornes) 28. 04:11 PM - Re: Garmin 430/530 help needed (a flyer) 29. 04:12 PM - Re: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs (Denis Walsh) 30. 04:16 PM - Re: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs (Denis Walsh) 31. 04:41 PM - Re: Skybound II (a flyer) 32. 05:17 PM - Chicken Little works at CBS news (J. Rion Bourgeois) 33. 05:49 PM - Re: Carb leak (Cy Galley) 34. 06:48 PM - Re: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs (James E. Clark) 35. 07:01 PM - Re: Keep water out of the cockpit (Tim Lewis) 36. 07:45 PM - Re: Garmin 430/530 help needed (Pat Hatch) 37. 08:11 PM - Can UHMW plastic block be painted? (thomas a. sargent) 38. 08:40 PM - Re: Garmin 430/530 help needed (Kevin Horton) 39. 09:05 PM - Re: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? (Dan Checkoway) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:59 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" >--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > >Well Randy you did ask for "flames" and as everyone on the RV and Rockets >lists knows if you ask me for help I'm always eager to help. >Lets say that Van's is a family type of company (like the ones I owned) and >gives time off for things like Christmas and New Years. If I'm not mistaken, they closed at noon on the Christmas Eve and New Years Eve. Kinda a family business thing to do, wasn't it!! So, the 23rd. order day, it would normally go out the next day so the 23rd. doesn't count. Hum, let the work force off on Christmas Eve when they have orders form the the 23rd. to process, how heartless. Off the weekend following Christmas so now they have Mon, Tuesday and 1/2 day Weds. to process orders then closed for the holidays and inventory the 1st. through the 9th. Geez folks, Randy I'm not raggin on you but for goodness sakes.........the order was on December 23rd. I still they have exemplory service. I still compare them to the local hardware store where I can walk in get three screws, four bolts and two washers........then walk up to the cashier, lay them down and tell here: "three at .07, four at .17 and two at .03". I'd go out of my way to buy from either of the companies. I'm with you, John. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? From: Denis Walsh --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh You left out the ice storm > From: "Dana Overall" > Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:23:03 -0500 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" >> >> Well Randy you did ask for "flames" and as everyone on the RV and Rockets >> lists knows if you ask me for help I'm always eager to help. >> Lets say that Van's is a family type of company (like the ones I owned) and >> gives time off for things like Christmas and New Years. > > If I'm not mistaken, they closed at noon on the Christmas Eve and New Years > Eve. Kinda a family business thing to do, wasn't it!! So, the 23rd. order > day, it would normally go out the next day so the 23rd. doesn't count. Hum, > let the work force off on Christmas Eve when they have orders form the the > 23rd. to process, how heartless. Off the weekend following Christmas so now > they have Mon, Tuesday and 1/2 day Weds. to process orders then closed for > the holidays and inventory the 1st. through the 9th. Geez folks, Randy I'm > not raggin on you but for goodness sakes.........the order was on December > 23rd. > > I still they have exemplory service. I still compare them to the local > hardware store where I can walk in get three screws, four bolts and two > washers........then walk up to the cashier, lay them down and tell here: > "three at .07, four at .17 and two at .03". I'd go out of my way to buy > from either of the companies. > > I'm with you, John. > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:31 AM PST US From: "Randy Compton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" > >> Well Randy you did ask for "flames" and as everyone on the RV and Rockets > >> lists knows if you ask me for help I'm always eager to help. > >> Lets say that Van's is a family type of company (like the ones I owned) and > >> gives time off for things like Christmas and New Years. > > > > If I'm not mistaken, they closed at noon on the Christmas Eve and New Years > > Eve. Kinda a family business thing to do, wasn't it!! So, the 23rd. order > > day, it would normally go out the next day so the 23rd. doesn't count. Hum, > > let the work force off on Christmas Eve when they have orders form the the > > 23rd. to process, how heartless. Off the weekend following Christmas so now > > they have Mon, Tuesday and 1/2 day Weds. to process orders then closed for > > the holidays and inventory the 1st. through the 9th. Geez folks, Randy I'm > > not raggin on you but for goodness sakes.........the order was on December > > 23rd. Sorry, I didn't realize they weren't open for business or shipping 29, 30, or 31 December. And please keep the "flames" coming...the RV-List wouldn't be anywhere near as fun without 'em. Heck, I'm surprised my buddy Kosta - or is it Michael - hasn't weighed in by now. RC ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:55 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski As mentioned before, the weather was very bad. They were shut down for a week, and because of this there was a back log of 800 orders!! At 08:15 PM 1/15/04 -0600, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" > >> Well, Van's was down for inventory from January 1 to 9th (give or take a >> day), therfore they are probably way behind on orders. They were not >shipping at >> all during this time. > >I certainly hope this, as well as the very adverse weather recently explains >why the exhaust system I ordered on 23 December just got shipped today, with >an expected delivery date of 22 Jan. > >At grave risk of intense flames, let's face it, a month from order to >delivery is not something to be proud of, regardless of the company size. > >Randy Compton >RV-3 Gulf Breeze, FL > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:55 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: List: ELTs --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Glen Matejcek wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" > >Hi all- > >I understand satellite tracking of 121.5 is going away and that 406 is the >way of the future, but as I understand it most recent 121.5 ELT's also >transmit on 243, and that freq will be satellite supported indefinitely. > All true. 243 was/is the military emergency freq. I don't see them getting rid of that!!! Linn >gm > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:48 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: CBS News From: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com 01/16/2004 09:31:39 AM --> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com Here is my response to CBS: CBS is smoking crack as usual on their reporting of the risk posed by general aviation. Once again, I dismiss your "news" reporting as a joke and shelve it as fodder for the mindless drones whom accept this garbage as reporting. Come fly with me while you still can and I will show you how general aviation looks after its own. I will also show you what it means to be part of one of the most freedom-loving and patriotic groups to grace our wonderful country. Don Alexander Private Pilot, S.E.L. Experimental Aircraft Builder do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:23 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters As much as you are passionate about your opinions, this is not an example of a good email. My opinion, and YMMV. Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com > > >Here is my response to CBS: > >CBS is smoking crack as usual on their reporting of the risk posed by >general aviation. > This statement has no supporting evidence, and exposes the writer to libel. It puts you on the same level as the news piece. > Once again, I dismiss your "news" reporting as a joke >and shelve it as fodder for the mindless drones whom accept this garbage as >reporting. > This is, of course your opinion, but blowing off the news report this way does not offer any constructive criticism. If you're going to attack the news media, you need to, as some other emails have, point out the errors in their reporting. Let's face it, the reporters aren't aviation knowledgeable, and they love to take quotes out of context to support the view of the piece. Even some of the local pilots say stupid things sometimes, and when you're being interviewed, think twice and form your answers carefully. Generalized bad-mouthing doesn't do anything for our credibility. >Come fly with me while you still can and I will show you how general >aviation looks after its own. I will also show you what it means to be >part of one of the most freedom-loving and patriotic groups to grace our >wonderful country. > A most generous offer. I doubt that it will come to fruition. I'm not picking on Don specifically here, as there's been other poor (IMHO) responses posted here and on other forums. Linn >Don Alexander >Private Pilot, S.E.L. >Experimental Aircraft Builder > >do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:58 AM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: CBS and Hypocrisy --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati See the paid 30 second spot CBS is refusing to air during the upcoming Super Bowl game and judge for yourself if this "mainstream" media giant can be depended upon to present an alternative (and quite reasonable) viewpoint if it happens to offend their corporate agenda. http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=39555 Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing" --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:50 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Talk about mis-quoted, out of text. Reminds of a news report interview I gave on a murder investigation while on Fontana PD. Two days of the 7-8 were for the 29th and 30th. Ya'll musta cut & pasted two or more replies as some of those words were not mine. KABONG "Food fight, food fight" 8*) Do Not Archive. Headed out this morning to install the new fuel tanks drains in ole 561FS, the ones that we got yesterday from Van's. Randy I sure hope that you get your shipment soon, BUT it has been great fun "talking" to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Compton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" > > > >> Well Randy you did ask for "flames" and as everyone on the RV and > Rockets > > >> lists knows if you ask me for help I'm always eager to help. > > >> Lets say that Van's is a family type of company (like the ones I owned) > and > > >> gives time off for things like Christmas and New Years. > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, they closed at noon on the Christmas Eve and New > Years > > > Eve. Kinda a family business thing to do, wasn't it!! So, the 23rd. > order > > > day, it would normally go out the next day so the 23rd. doesn't count. > Hum, > > > let the work force off on Christmas Eve when they have orders form the > the > > > 23rd. to process, how heartless. Off the weekend following Christmas so > now > > > they have Mon, Tuesday and 1/2 day Weds. to process orders then closed > for > > > the holidays and inventory the 1st. through the 9th. Geez folks, Randy > I'm > > > not raggin on you but for goodness sakes.........the order was on > December > > > 23rd. > > Sorry, I didn't realize they weren't open for business or shipping 29, 30, > or 31 December. > > And please keep the "flames" coming...the RV-List wouldn't be anywhere near > as fun without 'em. Heck, I'm surprised my buddy Kosta - or is it Michael - > hasn't weighed in by now. > > RC > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:49 AM PST US From: "Kosta Lewis" Subject: RE: RV-List: Vans shipping, Dec. 23rd??? --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" >And please keep the "flames" coming...the RV-List wouldn't be anywhere near >as fun without 'em. Heck, I'm surprised my buddy Kosta - or is it Michael >hasn't weighed in by now. Oh, you know me: I wait until the flames get really high and hot, then throw some more 100LL on the fire. Nuff said already. Someone mentioned something about Van's competition. Didn't know the RV designs HAD any competition. Us greybeards on the list, you know, had to be very patient when we were building as the telegraph wires would occasionally get blown down or, out west here, cut down by the Indians. There were delays that became pretty frustrating, though. Like the time the load of bauxite I ordered was delayed when the mule train was caught in a snowstorm crossing the Rocky Mountains. That was pretty aggravating. Why, I remember the time........... Michael Or Kosta. It's both, actually RV-4 N232 Suzie Q, back in the day when you could actually NAME your airplane and get away with it........ Stay out of this, Wheeler........ Agnostic oil system; hahahahahaha; GV, you still crack me up New book: Zen and the Art of Reading The RV List; must be at the Builders Bookstore by now, I would think......... Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:29 AM PST US From: "Bobby Sather" Subject: Re: RV-List: CBS and Hypocrisy --> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" All considered, after reading the article and going to the site of moveon.org, I contempleted the thoughts these people are trying to portray and came up with, what if the election had gone the other way. Think that through and try and sleep tonight. Bobby Sather C185 Rocket wanabe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Galati" Subject: RV-List: CBS and Hypocrisy > --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati > > See the paid 30 second spot CBS is refusing to air during the upcoming Super Bowl game and judge for yourself if this "mainstream" media giant can be depended upon to present an alternative (and quite reasonable) viewpoint if it happens to offend their corporate agenda. > > http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=39555 > > > Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing" > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:21 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: CBS and Hypocrisy --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Rick, I looked. That's one hell of a stretch just to inject politics onto the RV list. Bad move. Terry Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: CBS and Hypocrisy --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati See the paid 30 second spot CBS is refusing to air during the upcoming Super Bowl game and judge for yourself if this "mainstream" media giant can be depended upon to present an alternative (and quite reasonable) viewpoint if it happens to offend their corporate agenda. http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=39555 Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:38 AM PST US From: marknlisa@hometel.com Subject: RV-List: Re: GA Bashing by CBS News --> RV-List message posted by: marknlisa@hometel.com This is what I sent to CBS: Your segment on the "danger" that general aviation aircraft might be "packed with explosives" becoming "devastating bombs" is exactly the response Osama Bin Laden prays to Allah for. If you don't believe me, look up the definition of terrorism. Of course that would mean doing some research; a word you might also wish to look up. Osama's prayers are as misguided as your effort to "inform" the public. Or maybe your intent was to sensationalize a frightening topic. Nah, couldn't be. The amount of explosives you can carry in the average general aviation aircraft is a great deal less than you can carry in the average SUV (not to mention your average Ryder rental truck). Which do you think is easier to acquire? Shouldn't we do something about that? Are you totally unencumbered by the thought process? Or perhaps you know exactly how ridiculous this all sounds, how much you've unnecessarily terrorized the public and don't mind being Osama Bin Laden's ambassador. This is what I sent to the sponsors: Regarding CBS's broadcast on 14 Jan concerning General Aviation security; this story is full of half-truths and outright lies; its a sham. CBSs assertion that small airports, like the one I live on, pose a significant security threat is just plain silly. Unless an aircraft is transient (i.e. landing to pick up fuel/passengers) everyone here knows everyone else. There are no private hangars or parking ramps accessible to transient aircraft; it would be impossible for a stranger to load an aircraft with explosives in secret. Further, a fully loaded light aircraft weighs less than an empty Honda Civic. Even the largest of light aircraft (of the type that can land or take off from a short runway) can carry much less that the average SUV. Ill suggest that a Ryder rental truck is much easier to acquire, can be loaded with much more secrecy and can be positioned much more easily and accurately than a small aircraft (remember Oklahoma City?). I guess listing the security vulnerabilities of rental trucks isnt sensational enough. In addition, CBSs claim than nothing has been done to improve General Aviation (GA) security is just plain false. I would encourage you to contact the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA). AOPA is just one of several private organizations that are working closely with the FAA and Homeland Security Department to improve GA security. AOPA has developed and disseminated a set of security guidelines that all users of small airports can follow, an initiative taken without a government mandate. Take a look at the following website: http://www.aopa.org/asn/watchindex.shtml Its apparent to anyone with a modicum of knowledge about the GA community that CBS is using a frightening topic to generate ratings. I generally dont hold this against news organizations because its important to keep the public informed, but I DO expect these organizations to do some basic researchhell, just use a little common sense and THINK for a minute! What it all boils down to is this: CBS is following Osama Bin Ladens playbook by unnecessarily terrorizing the public, and your company is paying them to do it. Id like to know how you feel about that. Mark --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Home Telephone Company's Web-Based Email interface. http://webmail.hometel.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:03 AM PST US From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" "Rv9-List@Matronics. Com" , "Rv-List@Matronics. Com" , "rvyahoo" , "Rv7-List@Matronics. Com" , "Rv6-List@Matronics. Com" Subject: RV-List: project --> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" List, Have cash! I am looking for a good airframe or project that has been meticulously built. Does not mater were the setter wheel is preferably a 6 or higher airframe. Please respond with email. Sincerely, Noel Simmons Blue Sky Aviation, Inc. Phone & Fax: 406-538-6574 noel@blueskyaviation.net www.blueskyaviation.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:36 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Gluing Drilled Canopy? --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 1/15/04 9:27:59 PM Central Standard Time, dougweil@pressenter.com writes: > does anyone see any downside to this technique of > gluing a canopy in place. I may consider it. Now I am really gun-shy of > holes in by canopy (not a cheap lesson, by the way!) Hi Doug- Except for the f-glass on the front edge of my canopy (-6A tip-up) the entire perimeter of my canopy is glued with proseal. I also used #6 screws on the canopy skirts and #4 around the rear glass to skin,and two at the very top of the front bubble for initial locating on installation. (no other fasteners on rollbar or bow) I do wish I had added some black tint to the proseal as it has a slight brownish color where you see it through the glass. Not flying yet (but almost!) and very pleased with it so far. Clean, water & air tight, and I believe it also stiffened up the canopy somewhat. No reaction to the plexi I can detect at all since installation about 3 monhs ago. Gotta love that proseal! And it's Atkins approved, too!! 8-) From The PossumWorks in TN Mark ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:31 PM PST US From: "Bruce Bell" Subject: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Hi All, I am switching plugs from auto spark plugs to REM37BY spark plugs. I have two Jeff Rose Ignitions on my IO320 Lyc. Two suggestions so far are: 1. Needle nose pliers and 2. Ice pick. I don't like either one. Looks to me a quick way to destroy at $15.00 plug. I need to go from .018 to .035 gap. Lots of tools to decrease the gap but what about increasing it? Best Regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 DO NOT ARCHIVE! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:03 PM PST US From: Gary Zilik Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik Leave the gap alone and go fly. You'll destroy the plugs if you try and widen the gap. Gary Bruce Bell wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > >Hi All, >I am switching plugs from auto spark plugs to REM37BY spark plugs. I have >two Jeff Rose Ignitions on my IO320 Lyc. Two suggestions so far are: 1. >Needle nose pliers and 2. Ice pick. I don't like either one. Looks to me a >quick way to destroy at $15.00 plug. I need to go from .018 to .035 gap. >Lots of tools to decrease the gap but what about increasing it? >Best Regards, >Bruce Bell >Lubbock, Texas >RV4 # 2888 > >DO NOT ARCHIVE! > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:32 PM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Why are you switching from Auto plugs to aircraft plugs? At 02:20 PM 1/16/04 -0600, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > >Hi All, >I am switching plugs from auto spark plugs to REM37BY spark plugs. I have >two Jeff Rose Ignitions on my IO320 Lyc. Two suggestions so far are: 1. >Needle nose pliers and 2. Ice pick. I don't like either one. Looks to me a >quick way to destroy at $15.00 plug. I need to go from .018 to .035 gap. >Lots of tools to decrease the gap but what about increasing it? >Best Regards, >Bruce Bell >Lubbock, Texas >RV4 # 2888 > >DO NOT ARCHIVE! > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:18 PM PST US From: John Decuir Subject: RV-List: Terra Tri-nav problem --> RV-List message posted by: John Decuir I have a Terra/Trimble TN200 w/GS and Tri-nav indicator, and really have no complaints until just recently; the OBS knob will not work. I can spin it forever and no course can be selected. To/from switch positions still work , and show course. Then, this morning on the ILS into SNS, the GS showed dead-center no matter where I was, no flag, with the "I" illuminated. I'm wondering if the high humidity we have experienced lately has mucked up the works, or if it's time for repairs. Any Terra owners having similar problems? Anyone know a good Avionics shop in the Central Coast/ Sacramento Area that's familiar with Terra stuff? John DeCuir RV-4, 204CP, SNS ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:33 PM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England RV list Subject: RV-List: Re: RV7-List: project --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England Noel & Yoshie Simmons wrote: >--> RV7-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" > >List, > > >Have cash! I am looking for a good airframe or project that has been >meticulously built. Does not mater were the setter wheel is preferably a 6 >or higher airframe. Please respond with email. > > >Sincerely, > >Noel Simmons >Blue Sky Aviation, Inc. >Phone & Fax: 406-538-6574 >noel@blueskyaviation.net >www.blueskyaviation.net > RV-7 wing & tail, wing still in crates, tail inventoried but little work done. (this posting is for a friend; you can't have mine!) Hundreds of $ under Van's price, but he isn't giving them away. email me or call 601-879-9596 Charlie ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:13 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Skybound II --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Guys, still a bit behind on RV list but wanted to respond to this post ASAP, Delete if this has already been posted in a later digest. hold off on PCMCIA adaptors from Jeppesen, they are supposed to come out with a USB version this february. Time: 02:38:03 PM PST US From: "Richard V. Reynolds" Subject: RV-List: Jeppesen Skybound II NavCard Datawritter --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" Can I use a Macintosh with Virtual PC to run the Jeppesen Skybound II service? What interface "cable or device" do I use for the PCMCIA slot? Richard Reynolds, Norfolk, VA, RV-6A, almost there! ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:32 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Tinted plastic --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Cy, I would (and we should) have a real problem with a DAR who is arbitrarily imposing FARs into limitations, particularly FARs that specficially exempt EXPs. As you know this is very contrary to the orders and circulars that are available on the subject. And a DAR is only such because the FAA invites them to be such. Therefore if they are going to deviate that far from the norm, so as to impose Part 23 specifications they better be able to argue it well, as any of us has recourse with the MIDO or FSDO station manager on the subject of abberrant DAR behaviour. The "example" limitations are very well defined these days, so deviations should really need clear, objective, logical justification or that DAR is not acting responsibly. If you feel a DAR has been excessive in the limitations, go talk to his PI or the Station manager. On the other hand if a known good DAR throws a lot of odd limitations at you, such as Phase one indefinately, maybe its his way of politely saying "Start over - but this time ask for help, or stick with boats and take swimming lessons" W ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:19 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > Hi All, > I am switching plugs from auto spark plugs to REM37BY spark plugs. I have > two Jeff Rose Ignitions on my IO320 Lyc. Two suggestions so far are: 1. > Needle nose pliers and 2. Ice pick. I don't like either one. Looks to me a > quick way to destroy at $15.00 plug. I need to go from .018 to .035 gap. > Lots of tools to decrease the gap but what about increasing it? > Best Regards, > Bruce Bell > Lubbock, Texas > RV4 # 2888 Good question so I removed the dna notation. The best method I've found is to use a standard set of pliers and grab the side electrode firmly from the back, gripping it on each side. Squeeze hard and lever it back and away from the electrode. It has worked for me and will not mar the side electrode if you grip hard enough. Don't touch the center electrode during this process or you'll break the insulator. Randy Lervold Vancouver, WA RV-8 #80500, 366 hrs ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:03 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Vans --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North yeah, I have to chirp up and jump in on this one, Vans has usually been very good about taking your money and getting a product to you in a reasonable time, although I do have to admit they have some silly business practices with respect to corporate business dealings. On the other hand, don't be too disappointed if they don't hear a word you say when you point out that one of their products flat assed doesn't work. Amp gauges come to mind as a relatively recent example for those of you gearing up to trash me. W do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:30 PM PST US SoCAL-RVlist From: Laird Owens Subject: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Ok, so I got my instrument ticket last year, then I upgraded the RV with a Garmin 430 later in the year. The 430 is the only radio I have in the airplane. Now I'm trying to get deeper into the inner workings of my 430 (uh...my head hurts), and had been doing ok until I ran into this problem. This situation came up on while planning a flight an established TEC route in the LA area. The route is VNY, V186, V363, then V363 joins V23 at KRAUZ It looks something like this (hopefully this comes out right): POM | VNY V186 | PZD ___________________________________ | | | |V363 | | | KRAUZ There is no intersection shown on the low altitude enoute chart between V186 and V363. So, while trying to program the flight plan in the 430, I can establish a route from VNY to PZD, but I can't figure out how to get the flight plan to accept the non labled intersecion to get established on V363. One cheater way would be to try to get the lat/long of the intersection off of the map and input it as a user waypoint. The other would be to avoid using the flight plan and fly the GPS direct track from VNY to PZD and use the VOR dialed up on POM and fly the intercept. But that really defeats the purpose of the flight plan. I hoping there is a way to get it in the flight plan with out having to create a user waypoint. That might be ok on the ground, but a single pilot IFR route change inflight might be a challange (or am I just being a wussy?) Any help out there from someone REALLY familiar with the Garmin radios would be greatly appreciated. Laird RV-6 SoCal ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:29 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Carb leak --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Marvel Scheb carbs rebuild kits are about the same cost as having it exchanged. If you have a few specific parts you need order them from Chief or ACS instead. If it leaks due to auto gas, be aware that the MTBE in autogas can attack some rubber components and distort them some, such as the rubber tip on the needle valve. But this can fix itself with a return to 100ll, or it may leak worse. If the float drowned/disentegrated replace it with brass one, and make sure you comply with single peice venturi AD as well. W ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:20 PM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: INS 422 Nav --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes At 08:44 AM 1/14/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Pedersen" > >Planning and acquiring the gizmos for my panel now. Basic VFR Dynon, Garmin >196 & IK2000. I have been leaning to get a Val INS422 Nav VOR, Glide slope >etc. and wondering what experiences there may be out there to help me decide >ya or nay. I do not plan to get my IFR ticket but would take enough IFR >training to be comfertable with getting out of unexpected soup. With the Dynon (there is no such as VFR or IFR Dynon) and the Garmin 196 you are fully ready for VFR. You have no use for the other stuff, no VOR equipment needed, certainly no glide slope! INS422? Inertial nav? No. IK2000 - I don't know what is but you don't need it in VFR. Get your IFR ticket if you think you might go into IMC. Good VFR pilots don't get "into the soup" - ever. Forget it. Learn to avoid IMC and make a pact with yourself that you will never risk getting into it while VFR. Your panel of gizmos won't save you if you aren't competent and if you aren't instrument rated the odds are you aren't competent. I have flown with instrument rated pilots who were not competent because they were out of practice. Flying in IMC isn't a cakewalk with the skill and without it is usually deadly. If you go into the clouds in an RV I'd be willing to be you'd lose control in less than a minute and break up in another! A simple autopilot would be nice, much preferred to an INS. The Trio Avionics product has a feature where you touch a button and it does a 180. Push the button when you see bad WX ahead. Keep the rules for visibility and cloud distance in mind for safety, legality and concern for other legal flyers who you might meet if you "get into the soup". K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now. PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:09 PM PST US From: a flyer Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: a flyer Laird, one thing you can always do in the air (on the Nav 2 page) is to move the cursor to a point, and hit direct to. It will label the spot as "map 1", and then you can fly to it, or put it in your plan. In general, you get lots more choices by using the 'menu' key too. I haven't tried it, but I would put the cursor on a spot, then hit menu and see if it will let you enter it directly into the flight plan. Maybe I should say, to move the cursor on the nav 2 page, push the button (lower right), then scroll using the outside knob for left and right, and the inside knob for up and down (or is it visa versa). Ha, good luck, John Huft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laird Owens" Subject: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed > --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > > Ok, so I got my instrument ticket last year, then I upgraded the RV > with a Garmin 430 later in the year. The 430 is the only radio I have > in the airplane. > > Now I'm trying to get deeper into the inner workings of my 430 > (uh...my head hurts), and had been doing ok until I ran into this > problem. > > This situation came up on while planning a flight an established TEC > route in the LA area. > > The route is VNY, V186, V363, then V363 joins V23 at KRAUZ > > It looks something like this (hopefully this comes out right): > > > POM > > | > VNY V186 | PZD > ___________________________________ > | > | > | > |V363 > | > | > | KRAUZ > > There is no intersection shown on the low altitude enoute chart > between V186 and V363. > > So, while trying to program the flight plan in the 430, I can > establish a route from VNY to PZD, but I can't figure out how to get > the flight plan to accept the non labled intersecion to get > established on V363. > > One cheater way would be to try to get the lat/long of the > intersection off of the map and input it as a user waypoint. > > The other would be to avoid using the flight plan and fly the GPS > direct track from VNY to PZD and use the VOR dialed up on POM and fly > the intercept. But that really defeats the purpose of the flight > plan. > > I hoping there is a way to get it in the flight plan with out having > to create a user waypoint. That might be ok on the ground, but a > single pilot IFR route change inflight might be a challange (or am I > just being a wussy?) > > Any help out there from someone REALLY familiar with the Garmin > radios would be greatly appreciated. > > Laird RV-6 > SoCal > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs From: Denis Walsh --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh I have had best results using needle nose pliers with a right angle to their jaws. These are the best tools to use to keep away from the ceramic middle. I think you will be pleased with the 37BYs. My continuing problem with the Rose "system" is that the rubber washers used in the connectors to the plug seem to disintegrate each time I change plugs. Any one find a better washer or method? Jeff has come out with some new tougher ones but they turned to mush on me at 100 hours. > From: "Randy Lervold" > Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:28:54 -0800 > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > >> Hi All, >> I am switching plugs from auto spark plugs to REM37BY spark plugs. I have >> two Jeff Rose Ignitions on my IO320 Lyc. Two suggestions so far are: 1. >> Needle nose pliers and 2. Ice pick. I don't like either one. Looks to me a >> quick way to destroy at $15.00 plug. I need to go from .018 to .035 gap. >> Lots of tools to decrease the gap but what about increasing it? >> Best Regards, >> Bruce Bell >> Lubbock, Texas >> RV4 # 2888 > > > Good question so I removed the dna notation. The best method I've found is > to use a standard set of pliers and grab the side electrode firmly from the > back, gripping it on each side. Squeeze hard and lever it back and away from > the electrode. It has worked for me and will not mar the side electrode if > you grip hard enough. Don't touch the center electrode during this process > or you'll break the insulator. > > Randy Lervold > Vancouver, WA > RV-8 #80500, 366 hrs > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs From: Denis Walsh --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh The question is not addressed to me but I will chime in: I switched because Jeff now recommends the 37BYs. He used to favor the auto plugs. The advantage from my standpoint is that they are more rugged. I use them on both my Rose system and on my magneto plugs, but with different gaps. Denis > From: Scott Bilinski > Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:15:05 -0800 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs > > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > Why are you switching from Auto plugs to aircraft plugs? ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:00 PM PST US From: a flyer Subject: Re: RV-List: Skybound II --> RV-List message posted by: a flyer Last spring, almost a year ago, Jepp tech support told me the USB adaptor would be ready in the fall. The usual in the computer biz I guess. John Huft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: Skybound II > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > Guys, still a bit behind on RV list but wanted to respond to this post ASAP, > Delete if this has already been posted in a later digest. > > hold off on PCMCIA adaptors from Jeppesen, they are supposed to come out > with a USB version this february. > > > Time: 02:38:03 PM PST US > From: "Richard V. Reynolds" > Subject: RV-List: Jeppesen Skybound II NavCard Datawritter > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" > > Can I use a Macintosh with Virtual PC to run the Jeppesen Skybound II > service? > > What interface "cable or device" do I use for the PCMCIA slot? > > Richard Reynolds, Norfolk, VA, RV-6A, almost there! > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:03 PM PST US From: "J. Rion Bourgeois" , "rv-list" Subject: RV-List: Chicken Little works at CBS news --> RV-List message posted by: "J. Rion Bourgeois" CBS employs the idiots who prepared that awful piece about the terrible terrorist threat posed by unfenced residential airparks and their lack of screening of passengers and cargoes. The relevant e-mail address is evening@cbsnews.com You might want to use a little barbeque sauce... Rion ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:01 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb leak --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" The float is now back to plastic on the 4th go round. The only illegal float is the original metal float. The plastic float that was the ADed replacement does sink but is still legal as it takes a while to sink. The New "improved" metal float is very expensive and there is a new plastic float that is not supposed to sink. The Two-piece venturi is still legal as long as it isn't deformed or loose. The AD was revised. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter soon to be Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: Carb leak > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > Marvel Scheb carbs rebuild kits are about the same cost as having it > exchanged. If you have a few specific parts you need order them from Chief > or ACS instead. > > If it leaks due to auto gas, be aware that the MTBE in autogas can attack > some rubber components and distort them some, such as the rubber tip on the > needle valve. But this can fix itself with a return to 100ll, or it may leak > worse. > > If the float drowned/disentegrated replace it with brass one, and make sure > you comply with single peice venturi AD as well. > > W > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:18 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" [NOTE: Info below is cut and pasted from two emails from Denis] > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Denis Walsh > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 7:16 PM > To: rv list matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping REM37BY Spark Plugs > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh > > The question is not addressed to me but I will chime in: I > switched because > Jeff now recommends the 37BYs. He used to favor the auto plugs. The > advantage from my standpoint is that they are more rugged. I use them on > both my Rose system and on my magneto plugs, but with different gaps. > Ditto. After having several LONG discussions with Jeff on this matter almost a year ago, I found out from Jeff that he in fact was one of the early "pioneers" (my choice of words) in the use of automotive plugs in Lycomings. He used to even mill/grind (whatever) them to make them fit better. He said that after some technical dialog with Lycoming, he came to understand how a plug with the characteristics of the REM37BYs would lead to a better burn than the "386's" (automotive) that he suggests if you really want automotive. For a variety of reasons, {see old thread on vibrations ....search using "all shook up"} I actually took OUT the 37BYs we had in our O-320 and put in some automotives. I think that I could feel (subjectively) LESS performance just as he had indicated. The 37BYs went back in. > > My continuing problem with the Rose "system" is that the rubber > washers used > in the connectors to the plug seem to disintegrate each time I > change plugs. > Any one find a better washer or method? Jeff has come out with some new > tougher ones but they turned to mush on me at 100 hours. We also got a set of the new ones and they are in fact better. But you are correct, this in my mind is the weakest part of Jeff's otherwise fine system (from a fine person with fine support). It would seem that some enterprising soul with the skills would make a set of "wires" that would work. Male automotive style plug on the end for the EI and screw on caps for the plug side. BUT(!!!) Handle 85,000 volts ... sparks will leap to metal caps so the problem is containment OR making the caps from a non conductive material and mating this to very high performance (automotive racing??) wires. I know I'd buy a set and so would probably every user of the Jeff Rose System. James > Denis > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:28 PM PST US From: "Tim Lewis" owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Keep water out of the cockpit tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Lewis" > > Can someone tell me how to stop rain water from leaking into my > > cockpit when the airplane is sitting outside? I tried silicone today > > and it slowed the water but did not stop it from coming in. Also, if > > I keep adding silicone the darn slider will not shut and lock. There > > has to be a better fix. I have a cover but I still get water with > > the cover on. I found water was leaking in thru the floor ribs, folling the belly skin that extends beyond the fuselage and overlaps the bottom of the wing. I saw dramatic reduction in leakage by putting silicone sealant around the intersection of the fuselage exterior and belly skin extension. Tim -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 600 hrs RV-10 #40059 under construction http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:03 PM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Laird, I am not familiar with the 430, but the way it works on other RNAVs is to define the intersection by two radials, in this case the radials are the airways. It might look something like this: VNY009/BNA270; you will probably have to name the intersection. Look for the page in the manual on creating waypoints. I will send this message if I don't see any other responses that are more specific. I have received clearances that are just what you described: "cleared V186 until intercepting V363, V363 to..." Makes for a busy cockpit when they do this. Hope this helps. Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laird Owens" Subject: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed > --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > > Ok, so I got my instrument ticket last year, then I upgraded the RV > with a Garmin 430 later in the year. The 430 is the only radio I have > in the airplane. > > Now I'm trying to get deeper into the inner workings of my 430 > (uh...my head hurts), and had been doing ok until I ran into this > problem. > > This situation came up on while planning a flight an established TEC > route in the LA area. > > The route is VNY, V186, V363, then V363 joins V23 at KRAUZ > > It looks something like this (hopefully this comes out right): > > > POM > > | > VNY V186 | PZD > ___________________________________ > | > | > | > |V363 > | > | > | KRAUZ > > There is no intersection shown on the low altitude enoute chart > between V186 and V363. > > So, while trying to program the flight plan in the 430, I can > establish a route from VNY to PZD, but I can't figure out how to get > the flight plan to accept the non labled intersecion to get > established on V363. > > One cheater way would be to try to get the lat/long of the > intersection off of the map and input it as a user waypoint. > > The other would be to avoid using the flight plan and fly the GPS > direct track from VNY to PZD and use the VOR dialed up on POM and fly > the intercept. But that really defeats the purpose of the flight > plan. > > I hoping there is a way to get it in the flight plan with out having > to create a user waypoint. That might be ok on the ground, but a > single pilot IFR route change inflight might be a challange (or am I > just being a wussy?) > > Any help out there from someone REALLY familiar with the Garmin > radios would be greatly appreciated. > > Laird RV-6 > SoCal > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:07 PM PST US From: "thomas a. sargent" Subject: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" I was just mounting the UHMW block for the canopy handle in my tip-up canopy and noticed how the white plastic stands out againt the paint I've chosen for the interior. Has any one tried painting the UHMW? My guess is nothing would stick to it. -- Tom Sargent - RV-6A ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:43 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > >Ok, so I got my instrument ticket last year, then I upgraded the RV >with a Garmin 430 later in the year. The 430 is the only radio I have >in the airplane. > >Now I'm trying to get deeper into the inner workings of my 430 >(uh...my head hurts), and had been doing ok until I ran into this >problem. > >This situation came up on while planning a flight an established TEC >route in the LA area. > >The route is VNY, V186, V363, then V363 joins V23 at KRAUZ > >It looks something like this (hopefully this comes out right): > > > POM > > | > VNY V186 | PZD > ___________________________________ > | > | > | > |V363 > | > | > | KRAUZ > >There is no intersection shown on the low altitude enoute chart >between V186 and V363. > >So, while trying to program the flight plan in the 430, I can >establish a route from VNY to PZD, but I can't figure out how to get >the flight plan to accept the non labled intersecion to get >established on V363. > >One cheater way would be to try to get the lat/long of the >intersection off of the map and input it as a user waypoint. > >The other would be to avoid using the flight plan and fly the GPS >direct track from VNY to PZD and use the VOR dialed up on POM and fly >the intercept. But that really defeats the purpose of the flight >plan. > >I hoping there is a way to get it in the flight plan with out having >to create a user waypoint. That might be ok on the ground, but a >single pilot IFR route change inflight might be a challange (or am I >just being a wussy?) > >Any help out there from someone REALLY familiar with the Garmin >radios would be greatly appreciated. > >Laird RV-6 >SoCal > Laird, It's too cold in the garage to fire my avionics up right now, but I think there is a way to do what you want. I'm pretty sure you can use two VORs and the radials off those VORs to define the position of a user waypoint, which you would then put in your flight plan. There are a whole bunch of different fields on the page where you create the user waypoint. You should be able to just fill in enough info to uniquely define a position, and the other fields will be calculated. I'm going to heat my garage up tomorrow so I can do some work. I'll try this out and report back. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:46 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Tom, The RV-7 finish kit came with black UHMW. Dunno if that's more appealing to you, but if so you could probably order the -7 part from Van's (assuming it's a different part #). One caveat is that one time I ordered some extra UHMW chunks from Van's...using the same part # from a white slab...and they shipped me black. Color wasn't important in that case, but I was still surprised. In any case, be aware that they may interchange the colors unless you ask 'em for a specific one. In case you want to roll your own, McMaster Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com) also appears to sell UHMW/polyethylene in bar form. I'm pretty sure they sell it in black, blue, white, or gray. Best of luck, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas a. sargent" Subject: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? > --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" > > I was just mounting the UHMW block for the canopy handle in my tip-up > canopy and noticed how the white plastic stands out againt the paint > I've chosen for the interior. Has any one tried painting the UHMW? My > guess is nothing would stick to it. > -- > Tom Sargent - RV-6A > >