---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/17/04: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:34 AM - Re: Marvel carb rebuild kit (Jerry Isler) 2. 06:03 AM - Dynon EFIS (Jerry Isler) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS (N223RV@aol.com) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? (N223RV@aol.com) 5. 07:34 AM - Re: Garmin 430/530 help needed (Michel) 6. 09:21 AM - Re: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? (rv6tc) 7. 09:49 AM - Re: Ballistic parachutes on RVs - old thread (Norman Hunger) 8. 10:40 AM - Re: Garmin 430/530 help needed (Kevin Horton) 9. 11:37 AM - Re: Garmin 430/530 help needed (Laird Owens) 10. 11:39 AM - Re: Garmin 430/530 help needed (Laird Owens) 11. 11:53 AM - -7/-8 wing wiring (Charlie & Tupper England) 12. 12:26 PM - Carb Stuff (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 13. 12:28 PM - Are close tolerance bolts larger? (Roger Evenson) 14. 12:33 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Jim Jewell) 15. 12:45 PM - Re: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? (Darwin N. Barrie) 16. 02:05 PM - Re: Are close tolerance bolts larger? (Richard E. Tasker) 17. 02:46 PM - Re: -7/-8 wing wiring (Dan Checkoway) 18. 03:22 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Doug Rozendaal) 19. 03:22 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Doug Rozendaal) 20. 04:50 PM - Substitute Pop Rivet? (Glenn Brasch) 21. 05:07 PM - Re: Are close tolerance bolts larger? (Larry Bowen) 22. 05:19 PM - RV List Gas Lift Strut (smoothweasel@juno.com) 23. 05:38 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Dougpsr@aol.com) 24. 06:03 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Sam Buchanan) 25. 06:37 PM - Re: Garmin 430/530 help needed (Alex Peterson) 26. 06:37 PM - Re: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? (Curt Reimer) 27. 06:52 PM - Re: Substitute Pop Rivet? (Steve & Denise) 28. 07:12 PM - Re: Substitute Pop Rivet? (Glenn Brasch) 29. 08:04 PM - Surprising cause of tire shimmy: Defective inner tube (Garrett, Randy L (C4S)) 30. 08:11 PM - Flying to Quebec? (Garrett, Randy L (C4S)) 31. 09:45 PM - Re: Surprising cause of tire shimmy: Defective inner tube (Randy Richter) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:46 AM PST US From: "Jerry Isler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Marvel carb rebuild kit --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Isler" I purchased a rebuild kit from a company called AVSTAR (866-982-7287) in Jupiter, Florida. It was for an MA-4SPA and included all the gaskets, screws, washers, springs, accelerator pump, needle and seat, and the throttle shaft and bushings. It cost somewhere about $180.00 for the complete kit. I already had the metal float and the one piece venturi. I also downloaded the overhaul manual from the internet on the Precision Airmotive website (I don't think you can do that anymore). A rebuilt, yellow tagged carb from them with all of the above was $560.00 exchange. If you have ever rebuilt a Holley or Quadrajet carb you can do this. The hardest part was replacing the throttle shaft bushings. Jerry Isler RV-4 #1070 N455J Subject: RV-List: Marvel carb rebuild kit > > Hi List- > > After lots of archive browsing, I couldn't find any information on where to > purchase a rebuild kit for a Marvel Schebler carb- my carb needs a new float > needle and gasket. Will spend a few hours staring at the yellow pages > (Trade-a-flame) tomorrow, but it y'all got any useful suggestions, I'd appreciate it!! > >> From The PossumWorks in TN > Mark - Engine ran yesterday after a quarter-century- woohooo!!!!!!! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:39 AM PST US From: "Jerry Isler" Subject: RV-List: Dynon EFIS --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Isler" I see that Van's is now carrying the Dynon D10 and is offering a modest discount for the system. Before I drop my money I have several questions: 1) What is the general opinion of this system now that several more weeks have lapsed since the last traffic on the list concerning this instrument? 2) Is it still worth the money? 3) Does it work as advertised? 4) Are the teething problems pretty much behind us now? 5) Do you really need a laptop computer (which I don't have) to set this beast up? 6) What is the lead time now? A letter from Dynon said 2 weeks. 7) Buy from Van's or Dynon? Does it matter? Jerry Isler RV-4 #1070 Ready to order! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:08 AM PST US From: N223RV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com In a message dated 1/17/2004 9:04:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlisler@alltel.net writes: I see that Van's is now carrying the Dynon D10 and is offering a modest discount for the system. Before I drop my money I have several questions: 1) What is the general opinion of this system now that several more weeks have lapsed since the last traffic on the list concerning this instrument? I have 75 hours on mine in my RV-4 and love it 2) Is it still worth the money? Yes, every penny. I sold the gauges it replaced for $1550 on the list. 3) Does it work as advertised? Yes, and they provide excellent service when you need assistance. 4) Are the teething problems pretty much behind us now? For me they are. 5) Do you really need a laptop computer (which I don't have) to set this beast up? Yes, you need it to enter check lists (a feature I didn't think I'd use and now I couldn't imagine not having it) and to calibrate the heading. You also need it to update the software when new releases come out. I suppose you could take the unit out and hook it up at home to do this if you took some time to make up a harness. You could always borrow a laptop once a year or two if necessary. 6) What is the lead time now? A letter from Dynon said 2 weeks. I don't know 7) Buy from Van's or Dynon? Does it matter? I'd buy from Van's, as it appears to be cheaper. -Mike Kraus N223RV RV-4 Flying (with a Dynon) N213RV RV-10 Empannage ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:28 AM PST US From: N223RV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com You could try dyeing it. I know back when I was building radio control cars, I'd go buy some Rit Dye, heat up a pan of water to almost boiling, and throw all the glass filled nylon parts in for about 5-10 minutes with the package of dye. The longer they were in there, the darker they would get. You could try a piece and see what happens, assuming you can find a color that nearly matches your interior. Just an idea...... -Mike Kraus N223RV RV-4 Flying N213RV RV-10 Empennage ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:45 AM PST US From: "Michel" Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: "Michel" Decided to have a quick look as it seemed like fun poroblem. Well on the old Flitestar program I have they do show the intersection of V186 and 363 as POM04. I have the sim of the Garmin 530 on the computer and the intersection does show on that one. Just check that it is Popa Oscar Mike Zero Four. RV8 with G530 Michel Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > >Ok, so I got my instrument ticket last year, then I upgraded the RV >with a Garmin 430 later in the year. The 430 is the only radio I have >in the airplane. > >Now I'm trying to get deeper into the inner workings of my 430 >(uh...my head hurts), and had been doing ok until I ran into this >problem. > >This situation came up on while planning a flight an established TEC >route in the LA area. > >The route is VNY, V186, V363, then V363 joins V23 at KRAUZ > >It looks something like this (hopefully this comes out right): > > > POM > > | > VNY V186 | PZD > ___________________________________ > | > | > | > |V363 > | > | > | KRAUZ > >There is no intersection shown on the low altitude enoute chart >between V186 and V363. > >So, while trying to program the flight plan in the 430, I can >establish a route from VNY to PZD, but I can't figure out how to get >the flight plan to accept the non labled intersecion to get >established on V363. > >One cheater way would be to try to get the lat/long of the >intersection off of the map and input it as a user waypoint. > >The other would be to avoid using the flight plan and fly the GPS >direct track from VNY to PZD and use the VOR dialed up on POM and fly >the intercept. But that really defeats the purpose of the flight >plan. > >I hoping there is a way to get it in the flight plan with out having >to create a user waypoint. That might be ok on the ground, but a >single pilot IFR route change inflight might be a challange (or am I >just being a wussy?) > >Any help out there from someone REALLY familiar with the Garmin >radios would be greatly appreciated. > >Laird RV-6 >SoCal > Laird, It's too cold in the garage to fire my avionics up right now, but I think there is a way to do what you want. I'm pretty sure you can use two VORs and the radials off those VORs to define the position of a user waypoint, which you would then put in your flight plan. There are a whole bunch of different fields on the page where you create the user waypoint. You should be able to just fill in enough info to uniquely define a position, and the other fields will be calculated. I'm going to heat my garage up tomorrow so I can do some work. I'll try this out and report back. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:42 AM PST US From: "rv6tc" Subject: Re: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" Tom, I once read where someone else had the same considerations to color that you do. What I remember he did was to get some Monokote, a heat-shrink plastic film that covers R/C airplanes, and he Monokoted that block. That stuff comes in every color under the sun., and can be made to fit very tight. Can't remember where I read it, tho. Keith do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas a. sargent" Subject: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? > --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" > > I was just mounting the UHMW block for the canopy handle in my tip-up > canopy and noticed how the white plastic stands out againt the paint > I've chosen for the interior. Has any one tried painting the UHMW? My > guess is nothing would stick to it. > -- > Tom Sargent - RV-6A > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:08 AM PST US From: "Norman Hunger" Subject: Re: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs - old thread --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman Hunger" Wow am I late in reading my RV List folder. IMHO, more aircraft and lives would be saved if builders would put the weight penalty into a fire extinguisher system verses a ballistic parachute. You just don't have time to get onto the ground, stop, and get out of the airplane when there is a fire under the cowl. Think how long it would take if you were above 10,000 ft agl. My aircraft has a 12 pound halon plumbed to multiple positions under the cowl. It is valved so that I have several long blasts in my control. I have an additional 12 pound halon handheld for in the cockpit. Please be very familiar with the operation of halon if you are using it in an enclosed area. Your next breath of air to your lungs must come from a naca vent. There will be no more oxygen available inside the cockpit after you have blown off some halon. If you practice your fire safety procedures, you can handle a very bad situation. Over my years on this list I have cried as I learnt of a list friend burnt and killed. I will never allow that to happen over me. Weight penalty? You're building a Van's airplane, not a spam can. Don't worry about it. Be safe. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Photos to any who want them. The two extinguishers mount on a heavy plate that spans the center floor stiffeners. I have built a new battery box for the smaller gel cell 680 battery and a fancy platform for the Andair fuel valve. The two extinguishers lie side by side on the floor between the occupants legs. Looks alright. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Ballistic parachutes on RVs > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > Fully agreed. BRS is a total waste of time, money, and useful load. I can > just see it now..."oh don't mind that big lump of stuff back there Mr. First > Time RV rider, it's just an EXPLOSIVE parachute that I hope will never go > off when I key the mike or get near a thundershower." > > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > no stinkin' explosive charged parachutes on my airplane. > > do not archive > > > >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:27:56 -0800 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > > >Very few accidents in RVs are such that a ballistic a chute would have > >helped. I realize that there were a > >couple structure failures that would have MAYBE saved a pilot but over > >all you are wasting your time. > >IMO!!! > > > >Jerry > > > >Jeff Peltier wrote: > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Peltier > > > > > > > >Hello RV owners, > > >Due to the very high interest exhibited by Vans owners over the years, > >we've > > >currently entered into the design phase regarding the installation of BRS > > >ballistic emergency parachute systems to Vans RV-6,-7 and -9. We have > > >purchased a new fuselage for the purpose of static structural pull tests, > > >and may be interested in acquiring other fuselages or parts for the > >various > > >tests required of this effort. We are also open to any questions or > > >comments that you may have regarding parachute installation on Vans > > >aircraft. Any input will be appreciated. We would really like to hear > >from > > >you. > > > > > > > > >Jeff Peltier > > >Design Engineer > > >BRS INC. > > >(651)457-7491 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:16 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens >> >>Ok, so I got my instrument ticket last year, then I upgraded the RV >>with a Garmin 430 later in the year. The 430 is the only radio I have >>in the airplane. >> >>Now I'm trying to get deeper into the inner workings of my 430 >>(uh...my head hurts), and had been doing ok until I ran into this >>problem. >> >>This situation came up on while planning a flight an established TEC >>route in the LA area. >> >>The route is VNY, V186, V363, then V363 joins V23 at KRAUZ >> >>It looks something like this (hopefully this comes out right): >> >> >> POM >> >> | >> VNY V186 | PZD >> ___________________________________ >> | >> | >> | >> |V363 >> | >> | >> | KRAUZ >> >>There is no intersection shown on the low altitude enoute chart >>between V186 and V363. >> >>So, while trying to program the flight plan in the 430, I can >>establish a route from VNY to PZD, but I can't figure out how to get >>the flight plan to accept the non labled intersecion to get >>established on V363. >> >>One cheater way would be to try to get the lat/long of the >>intersection off of the map and input it as a user waypoint. >> >>The other would be to avoid using the flight plan and fly the GPS >>direct track from VNY to PZD and use the VOR dialed up on POM and fly >>the intercept. But that really defeats the purpose of the flight >>plan. >> >>I hoping there is a way to get it in the flight plan with out having >>to create a user waypoint. That might be ok on the ground, but a >>single pilot IFR route change inflight might be a challange (or am I >>just being a wussy?) >> >>Any help out there from someone REALLY familiar with the Garmin >>radios would be greatly appreciated. >> >>Laird RV-6 >>SoCal >> > >Laird, > >It's too cold in the garage to fire my avionics up right now, but I >think there is a way to do what you want. I'm pretty sure you can >use two VORs and the radials off those VORs to define the position of >a user waypoint, which you would then put in your flight plan. There >are a whole bunch of different fields on the page where you create >the user waypoint. You should be able to just fill in enough info to >uniquely define a position, and the other fields will be calculated. > >I'm going to heat my garage up tomorrow so I can do some work. I'll >try this out and report back. >-- >Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) I fired up the GNS-430 and tried this out. It is possible to create a user waypoint where the position is defined by radials from two other waypoints. This ability is not described in the Pilot's Guide that I have (Rev. F, dated July 2000), and it can get a bit confusing to use, but it does work. The slickest way to do this is from the FPL page. Enter a waypoint name that doesn't appear in the database. I like to use the VOR identifier, plus two numbers to define the distance from the VOR (if known). You'll get the Create Waypoint page. Enter the first reference waypoint, the radial, and a fictitious distance. The actual distance value you enter is not important. Enter the second reference waypoint and the radial from it. The fake distance number you entered earlier will be updated to the correct value and the waypoint position will be created. Hit the Enter key a couple more times and you are finished. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:34 AM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Is there any other way to know that there is a named intersection there? I'm going out to the airport today, so I'll try to input POM04 and see if it's in the data base. Thanks Michel. Laird >--> RV-List message posted by: "Michel" > >Decided to have a quick look as it seemed like fun poroblem. Well on the old >Flitestar program I have they do show the intersection of V186 and 363 as >POM04. I have the sim of the Garmin 530 on the computer and the intersection >does show on that one. Just check that it is Popa Oscar Mike Zero Four. > > >RV8 with G530 >Michel > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens >> >>Ok, so I got my instrument ticket last year, then I upgraded the RV >>with a Garmin 430 later in the year. The 430 is the only radio I have >>in the airplane. >> >>Now I'm trying to get deeper into the inner workings of my 430 >>(uh...my head hurts), and had been doing ok until I ran into this >>problem. >> >>This situation came up on while planning a flight an established TEC >>route in the LA area. >> >>The route is VNY, V186, V363, then V363 joins V23 at KRAUZ >> >>It looks something like this (hopefully this comes out right): >> >> >> POM >> >> | >> VNY V186 | PZD >> ___________________________________ >> | >> | >> | >> |V363 >> | >> | >> | KRAUZ >> >>There is no intersection shown on the low altitude enoute chart >>between V186 and V363. >> >>So, while trying to program the flight plan in the 430, I can >>establish a route from VNY to PZD, but I can't figure out how to get >>the flight plan to accept the non labled intersecion to get >>established on V363. >> >>One cheater way would be to try to get the lat/long of the >>intersection off of the map and input it as a user waypoint. >> >>The other would be to avoid using the flight plan and fly the GPS >>direct track from VNY to PZD and use the VOR dialed up on POM and fly >>the intercept. But that really defeats the purpose of the flight >>plan. >> >>I hoping there is a way to get it in the flight plan with out having >>to create a user waypoint. That might be ok on the ground, but a >>single pilot IFR route change inflight might be a challange (or am I >>just being a wussy?) >> >>Any help out there from someone REALLY familiar with the Garmin >>radios would be greatly appreciated. >> >>Laird RV-6 >>SoCal >> > >Laird, > >It's too cold in the garage to fire my avionics up right now, but I >think there is a way to do what you want. I'm pretty sure you can >use two VORs and the radials off those VORs to define the position of >a user waypoint, which you would then put in your flight plan. There >are a whole bunch of different fields on the page where you create >the user waypoint. You should be able to just fill in enough info to >uniquely define a position, and the other fields will be calculated. > >I'm going to heat my garage up tomorrow so I can do some work. I'll >try this out and report back. >-- >Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) >Ottawa, Canada >http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:59 AM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Alright, we have a winner! I didn't know you could make a user waypoint from two radials. Learn something new everyday (and boy do I have a lot to learn!). The neat thing about this list is what you can learn from the collective knowledge of the group. Thanks Kevin. Laird Do Not Archive >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens >>> >>>Ok, so I got my instrument ticket last year, then I upgraded the RV >>>with a Garmin 430 later in the year. The 430 is the only radio I have >>>in the airplane. >>> >>>Now I'm trying to get deeper into the inner workings of my 430 >>>(uh...my head hurts), and had been doing ok until I ran into this >>>problem. >>> >>>This situation came up on while planning a flight an established TEC >>>route in the LA area. >>> >>>The route is VNY, V186, V363, then V363 joins V23 at KRAUZ >>> >>>It looks something like this (hopefully this comes out right): >>> >>> >>> POM >>> >>> | >>> VNY V186 | PZD >>> ___________________________________ >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> |V363 >>> | >>> | >>> | KRAUZ >>> >>>There is no intersection shown on the low altitude enoute chart >>>between V186 and V363. >>> >>>So, while trying to program the flight plan in the 430, I can >>>establish a route from VNY to PZD, but I can't figure out how to get >>>the flight plan to accept the non labled intersecion to get >>>established on V363. >>> >>>One cheater way would be to try to get the lat/long of the >>>intersection off of the map and input it as a user waypoint. >>> >>>The other would be to avoid using the flight plan and fly the GPS >>>direct track from VNY to PZD and use the VOR dialed up on POM and fly >>>the intercept. But that really defeats the purpose of the flight >>>plan. >>> >>>I hoping there is a way to get it in the flight plan with out having >>>to create a user waypoint. That might be ok on the ground, but a >>>single pilot IFR route change inflight might be a challange (or am I >>>just being a wussy?) >>> >>>Any help out there from someone REALLY familiar with the Garmin >>>radios would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>>Laird RV-6 >>>SoCal >>> >> >>Laird, >> >>It's too cold in the garage to fire my avionics up right now, but I >>think there is a way to do what you want. I'm pretty sure you can >>use two VORs and the radials off those VORs to define the position of >>a user waypoint, which you would then put in your flight plan. There >>are a whole bunch of different fields on the page where you create >>the user waypoint. You should be able to just fill in enough info to >>uniquely define a position, and the other fields will be calculated. >> >>I'm going to heat my garage up tomorrow so I can do some work. I'll >>try this out and report back. >>-- >>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) > >I fired up the GNS-430 and tried this out. It is possible to create >a user waypoint where the position is defined by radials from two >other waypoints. This ability is not described in the Pilot's Guide >that I have (Rev. F, dated July 2000), and it can get a bit confusing >to use, but it does work. > >The slickest way to do this is from the FPL page. Enter a waypoint >name that doesn't appear in the database. I like to use the VOR >identifier, plus two numbers to define the distance from the VOR (if >known). You'll get the Create Waypoint page. Enter the first >reference waypoint, the radial, and a fictitious distance. The >actual distance value you enter is not important. Enter the second >reference waypoint and the radial from it. The fake distance number >you entered earlier will be updated to the correct value and the >waypoint position will be created. Hit the Enter key a couple more >times and you are finished. >-- >Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) >Ottawa, Canada >http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:37 AM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England RV list Subject: RV-List: -7/-8 wing wiring --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England Advice in the archives seems indecisive. Has anyone routed wire between the tank & spar by drilling lightening holes in the tank rear baffle Z-brackets? (I'm not concerned about running wire next to the tanks.) It would seem that a few ounces would be saved & an easy path created at the same time. If there is no prior experience with trying this, I'll check with Van's on Monday. Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:56 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Carb Stuff --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com I'd like to thank all who replied about my leaky carb, on & off list. Lycoming wizard Mahlon Russell of Mattituck contacted my off line and suggested I call him. He most graciously spent some time diagnosing my problem and sent the appropriate parts (THANKS Mahlon!) DAR contacted, grinning soon? Mark do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:04 PM PST US From: "Roger Evenson" Subject: RV-List: Are close tolerance bolts larger? --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" I've got a hole that I've drilled just a tad too large. Are 'close tolerance bolts' a bit larger in diameter than regular AN bolts? I haven't been able to find a decent explanation of those in the books I've got. Thanks, Roger. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:56 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Jerry, As far as the need for a laptop to "set the beast up" you should be able to buy used laptop that will do the job for very low dollar cost. I doubt that what you need will cost you over $200.00. Ask around the family and friends and you will likely find a loaner or a gift. When portables are out of date for those with the need for more up to date computer technology the tend to get shelved rather than be thrown out It should not matter where you by it. As my aircraft is not yet finished I cannot help you with your other questions. Jim in Kelowna Getting wired {8-}! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Isler" Subject: RV-List: Dynon EFIS > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Isler" > > I see that Van's is now carrying the Dynon D10 and is offering a modest > discount for the system. Before I drop my money I have several questions: > 1) What is the general opinion of this system now that several more weeks > have lapsed since the last traffic on the > list concerning this instrument? > 2) Is it still worth the money? > 3) Does it work as advertised? > 4) Are the teething problems pretty much behind us now? > 5) Do you really need a laptop computer (which I don't have) to set this > beast up? > 6) What is the lead time now? A letter from Dynon said 2 weeks. > 7) Buy from Van's or Dynon? Does it matter? > > Jerry Isler > RV-4 #1070 > Ready to order! > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:38 PM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" Most of the popular colors of Monokote come in a self sticking type for trim purposes. I does stick to about anything. Another possible source is a sign shop that cuts letters. They usually have many many colors to chose from. They'd probably give you a small quantity. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "rv6tc" Subject: Re: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? > --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" > > Tom, > > I once read where someone else had the same considerations to color that you > do. What I remember he did was to get some Monokote, a heat-shrink plastic > film that covers R/C airplanes, and he Monokoted that block. That stuff > comes in every color under the sun., and can be made to fit very tight. > Can't remember where I read it, tho. > > Keith > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "thomas a. sargent" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" > > > > I was just mounting the UHMW block for the canopy handle in my tip-up > > canopy and noticed how the white plastic stands out againt the paint > > I've chosen for the interior. Has any one tried painting the UHMW? My > > guess is nothing would stick to it. > > -- > > Tom Sargent - RV-6A > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:24 PM PST US From: "Richard E. Tasker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Are close tolerance bolts larger? --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" Yes, they are. But the difference is less than "just a bit" (a few thousandths) , so if you have drilled an oversized hole I doubt that would be your solution. What hole exactly have you drilled oversized? In some cases it really won't make any difference - it depends on what the bolt is doing. Dick Tasker, 90573 Roger Evenson wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" > >I've got a hole that I've drilled just a tad too large. Are 'close tolerance bolts' a bit larger in diameter than regular AN bolts? I haven't been able to find a decent explanation of those in the books I've got. >Thanks, Roger. > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:53 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: -7/-8 wing wiring --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Why bother? What's ahead of the spar that needs wiring that you couldn't accommodate with regular old aft-of-the-spar conduit? Just playing devil's advocate. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie & Tupper England" Subject: RV-List: -7/-8 wing wiring > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England > > Advice in the archives seems indecisive. > > Has anyone routed wire between the tank & spar by drilling lightening > holes in the tank rear baffle Z-brackets? (I'm not concerned about > running wire next to the tanks.) It would seem that a few ounces would > be saved & an easy path created at the same time. > > If there is no prior experience with trying this, I'll check with Van's > on Monday. > > Thanks, > > Charlie > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:36 PM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" I now have over 100 hours behind the Dynon D-10. I have flown it quite a bit IFR including several approaches in the soup to minimums. I am very happy with it. It does everything they advertise, and having said that, I still do not believe they recommend it for IFR. Having said all that, my unit will, every once in a great while, get a case of the wobbles. These last around 5 minutes and may not come back for 10 or 20hours of flying time. It has happened maybe 4 or 5 times. Dynon has replaced my unit once and it happened before and after the replacement. Maybe it is something in my airplane screwing with the magnetometer, but it happens and I wish I could nail it down. This is a 10 degree bank back and forth with about 15-20 deg heading change. It would not cause an upset, but it would be hard to track the localizer. Dynon service has been TREMENDOUS! When I call they listen, they answer my questions, when I sent my unit back they air freighted the new unit back to me. Your question about the Laptop, I have yet to get mine hooked up to a laptop and it works fine. I have the external magnetometer and it is as accurate as most mag compasses in airplanes. So I guess this is my assesment at this point. In a VFR airplane I would recommend the Dynon D-10 WITHOUT Reservation. It is a BARGAIN for the price. For an IFR airplane, you might consider it "Experimental" based on the short time the unit has been in the field, anyone flying IFR with this unit should be capable of flying IFR with the other instruments in their panel. Of course when you compare it to the miserable record of vacuum pumps, and the fact that anyone flying IFR should be able to fly IFR partial panel anyway,....... Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal dougr@petroblend.com www.petroblend.com/dougr ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:36 PM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" I now have over 100 hours behind the Dynon D-10. I have flown it quite a bit IFR including several approaches in the soup to minimums. I am very happy with it. It does everything they advertise, and having said that, I still do not believe they recommend it for IFR. Having said all that, my unit will, every once in a great while, get a case of the wobbles. These last around 5 minutes and may not come back for 10 or 20hours of flying time. It has happened maybe 4 or 5 times. Dynon has replaced my unit once and it happened before and after the replacement. Maybe it is something in my airplane screwing with the magnetometer, but it happens and I wish I could nail it down. This is a 10 degree bank back and forth with about 15-20 deg heading change. It would not cause an upset, but it would be hard to track the localizer. Dynon service has been TREMENDOUS! When I call they listen, they answer my questions, when I sent my unit back they air freighted the new unit back to me. Your question about the Laptop, I have yet to get mine hooked up to a laptop and it works fine. I have the external magnetometer and it is as accurate as most mag compasses in airplanes. So I guess this is my assesment at this point. In a VFR airplane I would recommend the Dynon D-10 WITHOUT Reservation. It is a BARGAIN for the price. For an IFR airplane, you might consider it "Experimental" based on the short time the unit has been in the field, anyone flying IFR with this unit should be capable of flying IFR with the other instruments in their panel. Of course when you compare it to the miserable record of vacuum pumps, and the fact that anyone flying IFR should be able to fly IFR partial panel anyway,....... Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal dougr@petroblend.com www.petroblend.com/dougr ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:40 PM PST US From: "Glenn Brasch" Subject: RV-List: Substitute Pop Rivet? --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" Can I substitute a CS 4-4 pop rivet for a AN 470-4-4 in terms of strength? (the parts are a -9 elevator spar to tip ribs). I would ask Van's but it is a long weekend. Thanks in advance. Glenn in Arizona -9A Wings (and some left over parts) with Fuselage ordered. DO NOT ARCHIVE. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:27 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Are close tolerance bolts larger? --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" What size bolt are you refering to? Why not up-size the hole to the next size? If it's an AN3, ream it out to and AN4. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Evenson [mailto:revenson@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:28 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Are close tolerance bolts larger? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" > > I've got a hole that I've drilled just a tad too large. Are > 'close tolerance bolts' a bit larger in diameter than regular > AN bolts? I haven't been able to find a decent explanation > of those in the books I've got. Thanks, Roger. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:56 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: RV List Gas Lift Strut From: smoothweasel@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com Does anyone here know of a place that i can get information about a gas filled strut before ordering? I got one from the local parts store and it is way to hard to compress. I will be using it to support my canopy when open. Joel "Weasel" Graber -4 almost.........! Brooksville MS ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:28 PM PST US From: Dougpsr@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS --> RV-List message posted by: Dougpsr@aol.com Has anyone else encountered these or other type problems with the Dynon 10? I am just before ordering 2 units but would like to have more feedback from users. Thanks in advabce. Doug Preston RV7A N196VA BHM my unit will, every once in a great while, get a case of the wobbles. These last around 5 minutes and may not come back for 10 or 20hours of flying time. It has happened maybe 4 or 5 times. Dynon has replaced my unit once and it happened before and after the replacement. Maybe it is something in my airplane screwing with the magnetometer, but it happens and I wish I could nail it down. This is a 10 degree bank back and forth with about 15-20 deg heading change. It would not cause an upset, but it would be hard to track the localizer. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:03 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon EFIS --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Dougpsr@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Dougpsr@aol.com > > Has anyone else encountered these or other type problems with the Dynon 10? I > am just before ordering 2 units but would like to have more feedback from > users. > Thanks in advabce. > > Doug Preston > RV7A N196VA > BHM A Dynon has been in my RV-6 for about 40 hrs. It has been very reliable and accurate. The only AHRS glitch I have seen is an infrequent "lean" of five degrees or less to the left (Well.......it IS manufactured in the great liberal state of Washington!!?!). This error usually last only a few seconds and is probably well within the wobbling you would normally see in a mechanical gyro. Five degrees of roll is much more apparent on the glass display than on a mechanical gyro. This infrequent anomaly would in no way prevent a pilot from being able to fly the plane via the Dynon and it may be unique to my installation. The remote mag works very well and is probably more accurate than any whiskey compass. There is an EMI issue with the remote magnetometer that may or may not have been resolved; Doug at Dynon can provide an update on this matter. All in all, I am very impressed with the Dynon and think it represents a tremendous value. I suspect the Dynon's price point, reliability and 500 units sold is the subject of frequent discussion in the break rooms of other EFIS manufacturers. :-) Sam Buchanan http://thervjournal.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:31 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 430/530 help needed --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > > Is there any other way to know that there is a named > intersection there? > > I'm going out to the airport today, so I'll try to input POM04 and > see if it's in the data base. > > Thanks Michel. > > Laird Laird, IFR low altitude chart, or activate on your 430's map to have it display intersections: From map display, menu, select setup map, enter, small knob to scroll to navaid group, then big knob to scroll to INT. Then select map zoom for which you want the intersection displayed. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 430 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:59 PM PST US From: "Curt Reimer" Subject: Re: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" One trick that I know of for nylon parts is to buy some RIT fabric dye, mix it up, and simmer the parts in the dye mixture for 10 minutes or so. You could dye it to match your paint scheme. Haven't tried this on UHMW though. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas a. sargent" Subject: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? > --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" > > I was just mounting the UHMW block for the canopy handle in my tip-up > canopy and noticed how the white plastic stands out againt the paint > I've chosen for the interior. Has any one tried painting the UHMW? My > guess is nothing would stick to it. > -- > Tom Sargent - RV-6A > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:56 PM PST US From: "Steve & Denise" Subject: Re: RV-List: Substitute Pop Rivet? --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" No. CS 4-4 can not replace AN rivets. For structural substitution of AN4-x rivets use CherryMax rivets. Steve RV7A Flying ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Brasch" Subject: RV-List: Substitute Pop Rivet? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" > > Can I substitute a CS 4-4 pop rivet for a AN 470-4-4 in terms of strength? (the parts are a -9 elevator spar to tip ribs). I would ask Van's but it is a long weekend. Thanks in advance. > > Glenn in Arizona -9A Wings (and some left over parts) with Fuselage ordered. DO NOT ARCHIVE. > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:31 PM PST US From: "Glenn Brasch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Substitute Pop Rivet? --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" Thank you for the quick, to the point answer. Glenn. DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve & Denise" Subject: Re: RV-List: Substitute Pop Rivet? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" > > No. CS 4-4 can not replace AN rivets. > > For structural substitution of AN4-x rivets use CherryMax rivets. > > Steve > RV7A > Flying > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Brasch" > To: ; > Subject: RV-List: Substitute Pop Rivet? > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" > > > > Can I substitute a CS 4-4 pop rivet for a AN 470-4-4 in terms of strength? ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:27 PM PST US From: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)" Subject: RV-List: Surprising cause of tire shimmy: Defective inner tube --> RV-List message posted by: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)" Other people with tire shimmy might be interested in my experience since the fix turned out to be surprising. I had a fairly strong shimmy in the right main of my 6-A. The onset was between 20 - 30 mph. That's moderately fast taxiing, but obviously one passes through that range after every landing (hopefully!) Interestingly, it only occurred with the wheel pant on. The left main and the nose wheel were fine. Seemed like the wheel pant is the problem, right? Balanced the wheel pant. No joy. Balanced both mains with a nice custom made tool that a friend had. No joy. But an interesting indicator ... Right main took 6 oz of weight to balance, opposite the air stem. Checked, double-checked, triple-checked that the tube was aligned properly. (Left main took only 1 oz to balance and that was not opposite the stem). My hypothesis at that point was that there was something wrong with the tire. Lowered the air pressure. With air pressure in the low 20's the shimmy was "acceptable". This was with Van's original equipment tires. BTW, also checked the tires and brakes for round and rolling true. All looked great. These tires wear fairly rapidly, so soon I had an excuse to buy some new Condors. These are heavier but seem to be noticeably better tires. Did not change tubes though some recommend that. These tubes look fine and weren't that old. Rebalance. WHOA ... Right main still needs 6 oz of weight. Remove tire and tube ... balance on wheel itself seems great. Check balance on tube ... it needs 6 oz ITSELF. How can that be? The thing doesn't weigh much more than that! Got new tube from same friend. No problem on balance. Reassemble. Takes about 0.5 oz to balance. Wheel shimmy GONE! HALLELUJAH! But who would have thunk??? Randy Garrett N4031P 230 hours flying ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:57 PM PST US From: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)" Subject: RV-List: Flying to Quebec? --> RV-List message posted by: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)" I am based just outside of Boston and thinking of flying my 6-A to Quebec. I would especially like to attend the Winter Carnival. My question is, what recommendations do the natives have for flying there. I have read the material on AOPA, which seems comprehensive. Got my US customs pass and mailed in for my CANPASS. Got my "homebuilt permit" from Canada, etc. But I've never flown into Canada, much less during the winter. Is Quebec airport reasonably friendly to General Aviation? Is there a preferred FBO? I do have the full blown Reiff preheater. Will I be able to plug it in somewhere? Any other suggestions? And of course, any builders nearby? I'd be happy to talk and look at your plane or show you mine. Randy Garrett N4031P 230 hours flying ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:59 PM PST US From: Randy Richter Subject: Re: RV-List: Surprising cause of tire shimmy: Defective inner tube --> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter Randy, did you do an autopsy on the offending tube to see what really caused the problem? Just curious. Do not archive. Garrett, Randy L (C4S) wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)" > > >These tires wear fairly rapidly, so soon I had an excuse to buy some new >Condors. These are heavier but seem to be noticeably better tires. Did not >change tubes though some recommend that. These tubes look fine and weren't >that old. Rebalance. WHOA ... Right main still needs 6 oz of weight. >Remove tire and tube ... balance on wheel itself seems great. Check balance >on tube ... it needs 6 oz ITSELF. How can that be? The thing doesn't weigh >much more than that! Got new tube from same friend. No problem on balance. >Reassemble. Takes about 0.5 oz to balance. Wheel shimmy GONE! HALLELUJAH! >But who would have thunk??? > >Randy Garrett >N4031P >230 hours flying > > > -- Randy Richter richterrbb@earthlink.net -7QB Kit in hibernation