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1. 04:40 AM - CBS Report (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com)
2. 04:40 AM - Cross Wind (Steve Glasgow)
3. 05:52 AM - Jeff Ethell Crash (Ronnie Brown)
4. 05:56 AM - FAA Notice of Proposed Rule Making - Draft (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: Cross Wind (Brian Denk)
6. 06:47 AM - cowl heat shielding (Jeff Point)
7. 06:58 AM - Re: Cross Wind (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
8. 07:17 AM - Re: cowl heat shielding (Alex Peterson)
9. 07:25 AM - Re: Cross Wind (Alex Peterson)
10. 07:27 AM - close tolerance bolts (Frazier, Vincent A)
11. 07:34 AM - Re: FAA Notice of Proposed Rule Making - Draft (Dana Overall)
12. 08:56 AM - Strobe lights (Randy Richter)
13. 09:34 AM - Re: Strobe lights (Scott Bilinski)
14. 09:51 AM - Re: Jeff Ethel - Not directly RV related (Kyle Boatright)
15. 09:54 AM - Re: Cross Wind (RV6 Flyer)
16. 09:57 AM - Re: Strobe lights (Bill VonDane)
17. 09:58 AM - Jeff Ethel - Not directly RV related (BBreckenridge@att.net)
18. 10:16 AM - Good Samaritan RV'ers (long non building related) (WALTER KERR)
19. 10:35 AM - Re: Proprietary AOA flap switch (HCRV6@aol.com)
20. 10:51 AM - Re: Cross Wind (Laird Owens)
21. 11:42 AM - Dynon (Wheeler North)
22. 11:51 AM - Stinson or GT-500 for sale (Frazier, Vincent A)
23. 12:21 PM - Re: Cross Wind (RV_8 Pilot)
24. 12:26 PM - Re: Cross Wind (RV_8 Pilot)
25. 12:29 PM - Re: Cross Wind (Lenleg@aol.com)
26. 12:40 PM - Re: Cross Wind (Stein Bruch)
27. 01:17 PM - Jeff Rose - modified automotive plugs (Jerry Calvert)
28. 01:31 PM - Re: Dynon (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
29. 01:46 PM - Ditching an RV (Laird Owens)
30. 02:35 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Brian Denk)
31. 02:36 PM - RV Engine (Eric Parlow)
32. 02:40 PM - Re: RV Engine ()
33. 03:09 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Ed Perry)
34. 03:12 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Alex Peterson)
35. 03:40 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Terry Watson)
36. 03:45 PM - liquid cooled engines (Gordon and Marge)
37. 04:35 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Gary Zilik)
38. 05:18 PM - Re: liquid cooled engines (Charlie & Tupper England)
39. 06:01 PM - Re: liquid cooled engines (Richard E. Tasker)
40. 06:18 PM - Any RV-6 or RV-6A for sale??? (Tom Gummo)
41. 06:54 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Randy Richter)
42. 07:00 PM - Re: Jeff Rose - modified automotive plugs (Bob Japundza)
43. 07:29 PM - Re: Jeff Rose - modified automotive plugs (James E. Clark)
44. 09:29 PM - Re: RV Engine (Michael McGee)
45. 09:29 PM - Re: liquid cooled engines (Michael McGee)
46. 09:38 PM - -8A in FL last weekend? (czechsix@juno.com)
47. 09:47 PM - dremel cutting attachment (Will & Lynda Allen)
48. 09:47 PM - Re: Dynon (David Carter)
49. 09:55 PM - Re: Dynon (N223RV@aol.com)
50. 10:06 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Karie Daniel)
51. 10:07 PM - Re: Ditching an RV ()
52. 10:28 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Jim Oke)
53. 10:35 PM - Re: dremel cutting attachment (Jim Oke)
54. 10:51 PM - RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") (Dan Checkoway)
55. 11:07 PM - Re: dremel cutting attachment (Dan Checkoway)
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01/19/2004 07:34:30 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
<Snip>
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters
As much as you are passionate about your opinions, this is not an
example of a good email. My opinion, and YMMV.
<End Snip>
As Linn adeptly pointed out, I let my emotion and passion get the best of
me as I drafted my "stink bomb" to CBS. Thanks for the constructive
criticism, Linn. My animosity towards CBS news goes back to my days at The
Citadel when Mr. Dan Rather came to visit and speak to the Corps of
Cadets. He did not fare so well in this bastion of conservatism as
countless examples of his slanted reporting were respectfully pointed out
to him during the Q & A session. It was beautiful! Something has gone
wrong with reporting over the years. The media used to passively observe
and report...now they set their own agenda and try to steer events to their
own political advantage. I will try to reign in my passion on future
messages to CBS and will try to remember that one can catch more flys with
honey even though a fly swatter may be more appropriate...there I go again
: -)
do not archive
Don Alexander
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Does anyone know or any officially published cross wind limitations for RV-8's?
How about self imposed cross wind limitations from those currently flying?
I've had mine in 15 G 25 mph and it's no fun. Thoughts comments etc.
Steve Glasgow
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| Subject: | Jeff Ethell Crash |
I found this http://www.avweb.com/news/safety/183014-1.html
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
Tragic!
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| Subject: | FAA Notice of Proposed Rule Making - Draft |
--> RV-List message posted by:
Listers,
As a long time lurker on the RV list and while surfing the rough seas
of the web I have come across what appears to be an early draft of an
NPRM prepared by a Quickie builder. Probably working a second job as a
legislative draftsman for the FAA, I suspect he was still at University
and needed the money. Below is a full quote of the document;
>> NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FEDERAL AVIATION
>> REGULATION ACT
>>
>> 1000.A No pilot or pilots, or person or persons acting on the
>> direction or
>> suggestion or supervision of the pilot or pilots may try, or attempt
>> to try
>> or make or make attempt to try to comprehend or understand any or
>> all, in
>> whole or in part of the herein mentioned Federal Aviation Regulations,
>> except as authorized by the Administrator or an agent appointed by, or
>> inspected by the Administrator.
>>
>> 1000.B If the pilot, or group of associated pilots becomes aware of,
>> or
>> realizes, or detects, or discovers or finds that he, or she, or they,
>> are or
>> have been beginning to understand the Federal Aviation Regulations,
>> they
>> must immediately, within three (3) days notify, in writing, the
>> Administrator.
>>
>> 1000.C Upon receipt of the above mentioned notice of impending
>> comprehension, the Administrator will immediately rewrite the Federal
>> Aviation Regulations in such a manner as to eliminate any further
>> comprehension hazards.
>>
>> 1000.D The Administrator may, at his or her option, require the
>> offending
>> pilot, or pilots, to attend remedial instruction in Federal Aviation
>> Regulations until such time that the pilot is too confused to be
>> capable of
>> understanding anything
>
End Quote.
The draftsman is none other the RV Lists own Dana Overall. His initial
draft doesn't appear to have made the Federal Register in the end,
however he appears to have attempted to provide some sort of rationale
for FAA regulations.
I wish to commend him for his clear sighted draftsmanship (or should
that be draftpersonship).
Chris du Ve
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Does anyone know or any officially published cross wind limitations for
>RV-8's?
>
>How about self imposed cross wind limitations from those currently flying?
>
>I've had mine in 15 G 25 mph and it's no fun. Thoughts comments etc.
>
>Steve Glasgow
I've put mine down in some gawd awful x-winds and really don't know exactly
how bad they were. From the windsock, I would estimate 15 direct. That's
about all I care to deal with. There isn't enough rudder...or pilot
authority for more than that!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | cowl heat shielding |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Re: Heat sheilding the inside of the cowl: I've received the fiberfrax
I ordered, now trying to decide where to put it. It seems that down the
middle of the lower cowl is a good place, as well as at the outlet,
which gets very close to the pipes. Anywhere else it would be needed?
Perhaps on the sides near the exhaust pipes where they exit the cylinder?
Jeff Point
RV-6 finished up little things
Milwaukee WI
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01/19/2004 08:19:36 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
Ah the good old argument that the nose wheel is for sissy boys finally
comes to light does it? It seems that you a_ _ draggers are finally seeing
your limitations. I would think that the nose wheel airplane could handle
those winds 15 G 30 with a certain amount of easiness. Now how do you like
those apples? LOL LOL LOL
let the flames begin anew. (I can't wait)
Glenn Williams
do not archive
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| Subject: | cowl heat shielding |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> Re: Heat sheilding the inside of the cowl: I've received
> the fiberfrax
> I ordered, now trying to decide where to put it. It seems
> that down the
> middle of the lower cowl is a good place, as well as at the outlet,
> which gets very close to the pipes. Anywhere else it would
> be needed?
> Perhaps on the sides near the exhaust pipes where they exit
> the cylinder?
Jeff, I would not bother with it in the lower cowl (cooling air exit
area), but it absolutely needs to be in the regions near the pipes where
they come out of the cylinders. I'd cover most of the main cowl where
it encircles the lower cowl, up to about 10 inches away from the lower
cowl. Sort of a large U shape. The temps in the pipes drop very rapidly
as they get further from the action. If you have muff heaters they will
protect any area where they are.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 432 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
I would think
> that the nose wheel airplane could handle those winds 15 G 30
> with a certain amount of easiness.
I would guess that the maximum safe crosswind for my plane is about 15 -
18 knots, and that will require extra speed, maybe 5 knots, on touchdown
to get enough rudder. The roll angle in these landings is a bit
alarming when one has almost full rudder dialed in. Once all the wheels
are down, the crosswind is really not a factor in the -A versions.
Regarding takeoffs, the airplane can handle significantly more right
crosswind than left. If the winds are directly crosswind, I take off in
the direction which gives me right crosswinds.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 432 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | close tolerance bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
I accidentally reamed a close tolerance hole with the wrong reamer. Oversized it by about 0.005" I plated the NAS bolt to fit the hole using a plating kit from www.caswellplating
it worked great and eliminated the need to go searching for an oversized bolt.
Be sure to bake the bolt after plating to get rid of the hydrogen.
Here's a link to what I did. Scroll about 1/2 way down the page.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Construction%20Notes%20for%20the%20tail%20and%20wings.htm
Vince
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| Subject: | FAA Notice of Proposed Rule Making - Draft |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
As much as I would like to take credit for "the draft", I saw something like
this years ago. Someone, I forgot who, sent me a post here lately after a
discussion on a plastic list concerning the new Sport Pilot proposed regs
after FAA review of the Advisory Committee, that spurred this rendition.
It is somewhat, however, more clear than the proposed Sport Pilot as of
December 23rd.:-)
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
List,
Strobeguy has the Whelen 4 strobe 90 watt system on sale right now for
249.99. Is this a good price? Good enough to buy now and store for about
a year?
Here's the URL: http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/70/2046.htm?359
Thanks!
--
Randy Richter
richterrbb@earthlink.net
-7QB Kit in hibernation
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I read that storage/non use is not good for strobe units............I think
that was on the Aero-electric list might want to verify.
At 11:55 AM 1/19/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
>
>List,
>Strobeguy has the Whelen 4 strobe 90 watt system on sale right now for
>249.99. Is this a good price? Good enough to buy now and store for about
>a year?
>
>Here's the URL: http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/70/2046.htm?359
>
>Thanks!
>
>--
>Randy Richter
>richterrbb@earthlink.net
>-7QB Kit in hibernation
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff Ethel - Not directly RV related |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vanremog@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Jeff Ethel - Not directly RV related
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/18/2004 11:09:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> RV8ter@aol.com writes:
> I hope someone on this remembers Jeff. I miss him. Does anyone have his
> complete set of Warbird Checkride videos? It pains to ask but does anyone
> know
> just what was finally concluded that happened on that final P-38 checkout
> flight?
> I heard fuel mismanagement.
>
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV flying 675 hrs)
>
GV's right, but I'll add a little...
The short version is that Jeff ran a tank dry on long final, which caused
one engine to stop. The airplane stalled, spun and didn't recover.
Here's a link to the NTSB report:
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001208X08240&key=1
KB
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Steve:
Since each RV is built by a different manufacturer, each manufacturer can
set a different crosswind limitation.
Since my RV has been flying over 6 years and has been accross the USA 8
times and north of the Arctic Circle, I have seen my share of crosswinds in
this tailwheel aircraft. On crosscountry trips, I try to pick airports with
crosswind runways just in case. After flying 6 or 8 hours in one day, I
find myself tired and not wanting to deal with crosswind landings.
At the present time, I limit my crosswinds to 20 knots. I have landed once
in 22 gusting 38 knots without destorying the airplane. (Saint George, UT)
I did lose rudder authority with the gust after the airplane was on the
ground but before all the speed was bleed off. Forward speed was about 20
knots. The airplane did get sideways when the gust hit. My very tight two
piece Van's pressure recovery wheelpant on the right side rubbed on the
flexing sidewall of the tire and was ripped off.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,427 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: Cross Wind
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Does anyone know or any officially published cross wind limitations for
RV-8's?
How about self imposed cross wind limitations from those currently flying?
I've had mine in 15 G 25 mph and it's no fun. Thoughts comments etc.
Steve Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Here's some preliminary info on my strobe solution... Now sure of price
yet, as the power supply is new, and was designed to match or beat Whelen's
Aviation power supply in every way...
http://www.creativair.com/ex-stb/
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Richter" <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Strobe lights
--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
List,
Strobeguy has the Whelen 4 strobe 90 watt system on sale right now for
249.99. Is this a good price? Good enough to buy now and store for about
a year?
Here's the URL: http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/70/2046.htm?359
Thanks!
--
Randy Richter
richterrbb@earthlink.net
-7QB Kit in hibernation
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| Subject: | Jeff Ethel - Not directly RV related |
--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
I just visited the Tillamook Air Museum and purchased the P-38 VHS video. They
mentioned
that more DVD's were expected, but not for 2-3 months. They may be a good connection
to
get the complete set, as they had many more titles on the shelf.
http://www.tillamookair.com/
Bruce Breckenridge
Clackamas, OR
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| Subject: | Good Samaritan RV'ers (long non building related) |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 04:38:07 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
Had another dose of great response to help fixing problem at SnF RV flyin last
weekend.
Upon landind on runway 5 at LAL on Friday afternoon, the tower reported to me that
there was smoke from my left tire. The landing felt normal. Tied down in the
grass by the FAA building and camped after pizza on Friday nite (great camping
weather about 50 degrees low).
Have been low key advertising my 6A since am currently out of medical (heart attack,
have to fly with legal copilot) and am getting closer to flying my 9A rotary.
Saturday morning was cleaning the dew off . Had made up a for-sale sign
to stick in the window but had not taped it on yet. It was lying on the glare
shield when a young man, Ted Smith, asked if I was the owner. After a discussion
on the airplane, he asked for a ride and seemed a good prospect since he had
recently sold a 172. Rolled the plane up on the tarmac to look at the left tire
during preflight and everything look OK. Flight was good, landed (so so landing)
and rolled out to taxiway. Called ground and when we started to move the
airplane only turned left. Thought maybe a brake was hanging so let it do a
360, but still would not respond very good to right brake when I realized the
left wing was low. Got out and looked to see a completely flat tire (YUK). Pulled
it off on a cul-de-sac there in the taxiway and walked back to SnF from midfield.
Spoke to Sam James who suggested we talk to Jay Kurtz, owner of a beautiful new
9A and owner of S lakeland airport. Jay reported he had a wheel with tire mounted
that he would loan me. Wow, now it doesn't get much better than that. Jay
drove me home to S lakeland and picked up the spare. As we were parking on the
east side of the FAA building, I could not spot my airplane. Jay said it's sitting
right there in front of the building, Wow again. Never found out the good
Samaritan who did that, apparently it was the tall young man who handed me
the two plugs from the nose wheel fairing. Someone reported he was a local RV8
builder who towed it in with a dolly.
Jody Edwards, an RV4 builder, and Ernie Kerr (no known kin to Bernie Kerr and also
a 9A builder) were human jacks who got down on all fours and put there back
under the spar to hold the airplane up not just once but twice since I failed
to get the spacer out of the old wheel. With the wheel fairing back on it was
an uneventful flight home thanks to a lot of timely help from the RV community!
You just can't beat it, try a flat tire in the middle of the runway in your
spamcan and see what kind of help $$$$ might show up tomorrow.
Oh, and by the way Ted gave me a deposit on the plane.
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| Subject: | Re: Proprietary AOA flap switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 1/18/04 6:33:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, gert@execpc.com
writes:
<<
http://www.mcmaster.com/asp/DisplCtlgPage.asp?reqtyp=catalog&CtlgPgNbr=1025&sesnextrep=401863936190947&CtlgEdition=109&k1=6436K73&t1=PN&ScreenWidth=1024&
McMMainWidth=807#scroll >>
Thanks again Gert.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, moving to hangar soon
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--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
I landed (and I use the term loosely...) my RV-6 at Rosemond once
where the sock was 90 deg and out straight. I think that means 15
kts or over. No weather info at the uncontrolled field.
I had just enough rudder to keep it straight with a little to spare.
I briefed my passenger not that if we walked away with out hurting
the airplane, it was going to be a GOOD landing, no matter the
touchdown....also briefed that if I couldn't hold heading, we'd land
a an alternative airport.
Glenn said something about nose draggers being easier to land, and
I'll agree that once your on the ground it's easier, but while your
flying down final, if you can't hold runway heading with the rudder,
it DON'T matter where the little wheel is!
Laird
RV-6 850 hrs
>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>
>Steve:
>
>Since each RV is built by a different manufacturer, each manufacturer can
>set a different crosswind limitation.
>
>Since my RV has been flying over 6 years and has been accross the USA 8
>times and north of the Arctic Circle, I have seen my share of crosswinds in
>this tailwheel aircraft. On crosscountry trips, I try to pick airports with
>crosswind runways just in case. After flying 6 or 8 hours in one day, I
>find myself tired and not wanting to deal with crosswind landings.
>
>At the present time, I limit my crosswinds to 20 knots. I have landed once
>in 22 gusting 38 knots without destorying the airplane. (Saint George, UT)
>I did lose rudder authority with the gust after the airplane was on the
>ground but before all the speed was bleed off. Forward speed was about 20
>knots. The airplane did get sideways when the gust hit. My very tight two
>piece Van's pressure recovery wheelpant on the right side rubbed on the
>flexing sidewall of the tire and was ripped off.
>
>
>Gary A. Sobek
>"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
>1,427 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
>http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Cross Wind
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:39:34 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Does anyone know or any officially published cross wind limitations for
>RV-8's?
>
>How about self imposed cross wind limitations from those currently flying?
>
>I've had mine in 15 G 25 mph and it's no fun. Thoughts comments etc.
>
>Steve Glasgow
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Mike, why do you say the external mag on the dynon sucks?
It took a little fiddling to get it installed accurately, but mine is now as
accurate as my SIRS compass.
W
do not archive
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| Subject: | Stinson or GT-500 for sale |
"RV-List Digest (E-mail)" <rv-list-digest@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
I need to sell my beautiful 1946 Stinson so I can finish my Rocket project. My
partner, Phil McCutchan, wants to buy me out, but first he needs to sell his
1994 GT-500.
Obviously we have a problem here. The way we're gonna solve it is that whichever
plane sells first, the other one goes to Phil.
If you or someone you know are interested, you can find more info about the planes
at:
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Photo%20Gallery%20Page%202.htm
One of them has to go! A finder's fee will be sent to anyone who sends me the
buying customer!!!
Thanks,
Vince Frazier
3965 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839 work
812-985-7309 home
1946 Stinson, NC97535, FOR SALE
F-1H Rocket, N540VF, Crazy Horse
<http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
I'd say 20 kt crosswind component with minimal gusts would be about my
comfort limit. The -8 handles xwind operations well, IMO.
I know of no written limitation... but then again, I doubt seriously if Van
would specify anything being experimental.
2
Bryan Jones -8
www.lonestarsquadron.com
Houston, Texas
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> >Does anyone know or any officially published cross wind limitations for
> >RV-8's?
> >
> >How about self imposed cross wind limitations from those currently
>flying?
> >
> >I've had mine in 15 G 25 mph and it's no fun. Thoughts comments etc.
> >
> >Steve Glasgow
>
>I've put mine down in some gawd awful x-winds and really don't know exactly
>how bad they were. From the windsock, I would estimate 15 direct. That's
>about all I care to deal with. There isn't enough rudder...or pilot
>authority for more than that!
>
>Brian Denk
>RV8 N94BD
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
You have to remember, the -8 has an inherent advantage over all other RV's
with it's (pain in the rear) stiffer, more rigid spring gear. Much more
stable on crosswind landing than any of the other configurations, IMO.
Tailwheel plane has no disadvantage to a trike once you get them lined up on
the runway and have some decent propwash to help out (ldg or T.O.). Now,
weathervaning on the way to and from the runway might be an issue.
another 2
Bryan Jones -8
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
Houston, Texas
>
>Ah the good old argument that the nose wheel is for sissy boys finally
>comes to light does it? It seems that you a_ _ draggers are finally seeing
>your limitations. I would think that the nose wheel airplane could handle
>those winds 15 G 30 with a certain amount of easiness. Now how do you like
>those apples? LOL LOL LOL
>
>let the flames begin anew. (I can't wait)
>
>Glenn Williams
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 1/19/2004 3:23:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rv_8pilot@hotmail.com writes:
> I'd say 20 kt crosswind component with minimal gusts would be about my
> comfort limit. The -8 handles xwind operations well, IMO.
>
I have to concur ... I have made several trips and landed with a 20 kt and
maybe a little more gust but I have to admit I am relieved when I am on the
ground and all is well. As always ... time in type really helps. I am much
better now in a crosswind than I was the first 50 hours.
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
195 hrs
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Speaking of Xwinds, I just posted some recently taken photos of my two RV6's
parked tail to tail.
This is to highlight the difference between the old "short" tail, and the
new taller "RV9" tail.
I'm ready to fly the new one, and excited to try it out in the winds.
Currently with the Black RV6, I flat run out of rudder somewhere between
15-20kt of direct wind. I too have landed in higher winds, but it's not
pretty, and definately not fun!
Anyway, the photos can be seen at: http://www.steinair.com/tails.htm
The difference is surprising, should make a huge difference in flight too!
No more tail waggin during bumpy air??!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
Do not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Laird Owens
Subject: RE: RV-List: Cross Wind
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
I landed (and I use the term loosely...) my RV-6 at Rosemond once
where the sock was 90 deg and out straight. I think that means 15
kts or over. No weather info at the uncontrolled field.
I had just enough rudder to keep it straight with a little to spare.
I briefed my passenger not that if we walked away with out hurting
the airplane, it was going to be a GOOD landing, no matter the
touchdown....also briefed that if I couldn't hold heading, we'd land
a an alternative airport.
Glenn said something about nose draggers being easier to land, and
I'll agree that once your on the ground it's easier, but while your
flying down final, if you can't hold runway heading with the rudder,
it DON'T matter where the little wheel is!
Laird
RV-6 850 hrs
>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>
>Steve:
>
>Since each RV is built by a different manufacturer, each manufacturer can
>set a different crosswind limitation.
>
>Since my RV has been flying over 6 years and has been accross the USA 8
>times and north of the Arctic Circle, I have seen my share of crosswinds in
>this tailwheel aircraft. On crosscountry trips, I try to pick airports
with
>crosswind runways just in case. After flying 6 or 8 hours in one day, I
>find myself tired and not wanting to deal with crosswind landings.
>
>At the present time, I limit my crosswinds to 20 knots. I have landed once
>in 22 gusting 38 knots without destorying the airplane. (Saint George, UT)
>I did lose rudder authority with the gust after the airplane was on the
>ground but before all the speed was bleed off. Forward speed was about 20
>knots. The airplane did get sideways when the gust hit. My very tight two
>piece Van's pressure recovery wheelpant on the right side rubbed on the
>flexing sidewall of the tire and was ripped off.
>
>
>Gary A. Sobek
>"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
>1,427 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
>http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Cross Wind
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:39:34 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Does anyone know or any officially published cross wind limitations for
>RV-8's?
>
>How about self imposed cross wind limitations from those currently flying?
>
>I've had mine in 15 G 25 mph and it's no fun. Thoughts comments etc.
>
>Steve Glasgow
>
>
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| Subject: | Jeff Rose - modified automotive plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
There has been recent posts in regards to switching from automotive plugs to the
aircraft plugs with Jeff Rose igniton. A fellow RV6'er has used automotive
plugs with his Rose ignition for years and plug life has been excellent.
He explained that the automotive plugs have to be modified because they do not
reach deep enough into the head. He turns the plug in a lathe and removes some
of the shoulder of the plug which allows it to go deeper into the head.
I plan on doing the same since I have the Rose ignition and wondered if those with
problems had tried this approach?
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
RV6 N296JC
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
It was a problem with white noise, sometime called broad band noise by
engineers), also called EMI, breaking squelch on the com. Many many
days spent trying different things to make it go away. Dynon is aware of
the problem and offers only the standard solutions. You know, shield,
protect, rewire, etc. Ultimately I was unable to find a satisfactory
solution and pulled the unit(external mag compass) out. It does provide
an accurate heading, but the EMI is unacceptable.
See archived message number 116261 for details on my EMI problem. I know
of 6 others personally, that is people I know and fly with, who also
experienced this problem, and about 10 more through emails around the
country, that also experienced this problem and hoped I could find a
solution. Some have been able to get the problem under control, although
I know of none personally have have been able to make it go away
completelynot. Others, as in my case, have only been able to make it go
from really really bad, to bad.
Anyway, that's why I say the external mag "sucks"
Mike
Do not archive.
Oh and PS, Doug at Dynon did call me this morning after reading my post
to ask that I do some data logging as they have seen this problem, the
tilting problem that is, before. I will be happy to do this as long as I
can reproduce the problem reliably. So far I have only the first
repeated occurrence in light to moderate chop with the occasional head
canopy smashing. Ill have to keep flying to find out how to reproduce
the problem. Poor me.
Also Doug said, to his credit, that one occurrence (which I already knew
cause I fly with this guy every week), showed upwards of a 45 degree
roll on level wings. These are isolated incidences for sure. But I know
of several myself, and I am just one guy.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wheeler North
Subject: RV-List: Dynon
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Mike, why do you say the external mag on the dynon sucks?
It took a little fiddling to get it installed accurately, but mine is
now as
accurate as my SIRS compass.
W
do not archive
==
==
==
==
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--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land
an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately,
the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned
it flipped on it's head and submerged.
For the whole story see:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html
Keep dry out there!
Laird
RV-6 SoCal
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
>I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land
>an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
>
>Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately,
>the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned
>it flipped on it's head and submerged.
>
>For the whole story see:
>http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html
>
>
>Keep dry out there!
>
>Laird
>RV-6 SoCal
Hey, didn't Mike Robertson sell his -8 while over there a while back? Same
airplane?
Brian Denk
RV8 N94Bd
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
Anyone know of an RV using a Continental O-300?
Would the engine mount for the O-320 be the same?
The O-300 is out of a 1965 C-172.
ERic--
GodSpeed Aviation
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--> RV-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
Eric,
The engine mount would absolutely be NOT THE SAME between a Cont. O-300 and a Lyc.
O-320!
Konrad
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Parlow
To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:35 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV Engine
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
Anyone know of an RV using a Continental O-300?
Would the engine mount for the O-320 be the same?
The O-300 is out of a 1965 C-172.
ERic--
GodSpeed Aviation
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| Subject: | Re: Ditching an RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" <eperry@san.rr.com>
I tried a search using the RV Finder on Dan Checkoway's website but it was
not working...What's up with that Dan?
Ed Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
> >
> >I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land
> >an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
> >
> >Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately,
> >the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned
> >it flipped on it's head and submerged.
> >
> >For the whole story see:
> >http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html
> >
> >
> >Keep dry out there!
> >
> >Laird
> >RV-6 SoCal
>
>
> Hey, didn't Mike Robertson sell his -8 while over there a while back?
Same
> airplane?
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94Bd
>
> do not archive
>
> Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the
max!
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> >I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when
> you land an
> >RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
> >
> >Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai.
> Fortunately, the
> >Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned it
> >flipped on it's head and submerged.
Too bad, but a good outcome. It does make one think about having the
canopy "jettisonable" as Van's original design had on the 6. These
things often flip during off airport landings, and getting rid of the
canopy on the glide down might be a good idea. I have the slider, and
as someone recently posted, replacing the two roller mount bolts with
pull pins certainly gives one another option. When I've flown over
water, I've contemplated exactly that problem. It seems that if the
front of the canopy lifts up, it should go ballistic and clear the
vertical fin. Not a certain thing, though, but neither is it certain
that the canopy won't jamb after a forced landing or ditching.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 432 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
It would seem to me IF you expect that an RV will flip tail over nose when
you ditch it, you might want the canopy on to absorb the impact when you
land on your back. Having pins to pull after you end up on your back in the
water might be a good idea.
Terry
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alex Peterson
Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> >I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when
> you land an
> >RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
> >
> >Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai.
> Fortunately, the
> >Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned it
> >flipped on it's head and submerged.
Too bad, but a good outcome. It does make one think about having the
canopy "jettisonable" as Van's original design had on the 6. These
things often flip during off airport landings, and getting rid of the
canopy on the glide down might be a good idea. I have the slider, and
as someone recently posted, replacing the two roller mount bolts with
pull pins certainly gives one another option. When I've flown over
water, I've contemplated exactly that problem. It seems that if the
front of the canopy lifts up, it should go ballistic and clear the
vertical fin. Not a certain thing, though, but neither is it certain
that the canopy won't jamb after a forced landing or ditching.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 432 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | liquid cooled engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Listers: The current issue of Sport Aviation has an article on liquid
cooling that gives as a reference a book titled "Aerodynamics of
Propulsion" by authors Kuchemann, Dietrich and Weber. I would greatly
admire to own a copy but an internet search turned up nothing. If
anyone out there knows of a copy for sale, please advise me where it can
be found. Thank you very much.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: Ditching an RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
A couple of weeks ago at breakfast this subject came up. I stated that I
thought the RV's would flip when hitting the water. One of the guys at
the table told of a friend that ditched his 6A successfully without
flipping. So it can be done right side up.
Gary
Laird Owens wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
>I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land
>an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
>
>Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately,
>the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned
>it flipped on it's head and submerged.
>
>For the whole story see:
>http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html
>
>
>Keep dry out there!
>
>Laird
>RV-6 SoCal
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: liquid cooled engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Gordon and Marge wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
>
>
>Listers: The current issue of Sport Aviation has an article on liquid
>cooling that gives as a reference a book titled "Aerodynamics of
>Propulsion" by authors Kuchemann, Dietrich and Weber. I would greatly
>admire to own a copy but an internet search turned up nothing. If
>anyone out there knows of a copy for sale, please advise me where it can
>be found. Thank you very much.
>
>Gordon Comfort
>N363GC
>
If you find a supplier, I'd like one as well. According to my 'sources',
it's out of print & very expensive when you find one on the used book
market.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: liquid cooled engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
It looks as though there may be a used on on Amazon.com.uk:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/detail/offer-listing/-/B0000CIKRE/used/ref=sdp_usedb/026-4711604-3338025
Then again, i could have already been sold.
Dick Tasker, 90573
Charlie & Tupper England wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
>
>Gordon and Marge wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
>>
>>
>>Listers: The current issue of Sport Aviation has an article on liquid
>>cooling that gives as a reference a book titled "Aerodynamics of
>>Propulsion" by authors Kuchemann, Dietrich and Weber. I would greatly
>>admire to own a copy but an internet search turned up nothing. If
>>anyone out there knows of a copy for sale, please advise me where it can
>>be found. Thank you very much.
>>
>>Gordon Comfort
>>N363GC
>>
>>
>>
>If you find a supplier, I'd like one as well. According to my 'sources',
>it's out of print & very expensive when you find one on the used book
>market.
>
>Charlie
>
>
>
>
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"Rocket List" <rocket-list@matronics.com>,
"SoCal RV List" <socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | Any RV-6 or RV-6A for sale??? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
I just had a visit by a local EAAer and he asked if I knew of any RV-6 or RV-6A
that are for sale.
Anyway, I think he is mainly interested in a RV-6A with a 180 HP CS prop.
Anyway, contact me off list at
t.gummo@verizon.net
if you have any info.
Thanks,
Tom
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Ditching an RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
Something else to consider would be to leave the canopy on during the
ditching (for personal protection) and have a canopy breaker tool (ala,
T-37) available to break a hole in it after the fact. I heard that the
CBT was actually tried on a T-37 canopy (something like 3/4" thick, I
think - anyone else on the list have an exact dimension?) once and
actually took several minutes to make a hole large enough to get
through, but I think the 3/16 to 1/4" canopies on an RV should succumb
much more easily.
The T-37 tool resembles a very short fixed-blade knife with a really
dull edge and about a 1.5-2 lb. handle. Cup the end of the handle in one
hand while grasping it with the other, make sure the curved edge of the
blade is TOWARD you (so it glances off the canopy AWAY from your
sensitive scalp) and proceed to pound away with upward thrusts.
FWIW
Randy
Terry Watson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>It would seem to me IF you expect that an RV will flip tail over nose when
>you ditch it, you might want the canopy on to absorb the impact when you
>land on your back. Having pins to pull after you end up on your back in the
>water might be a good idea.
>
>Terry
>Do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alex Peterson
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
>
>
>>>I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when
>>>
>>>
>>you land an
>>
>>
>>>RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
>>>
>>>Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai.
>>>
>>>
>>Fortunately, the
>>
>>
>>>Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned it
>>>flipped on it's head and submerged.
>>>
>>>
>
>Too bad, but a good outcome. It does make one think about having the
>canopy "jettisonable" as Van's original design had on the 6. These
>things often flip during off airport landings, and getting rid of the
>canopy on the glide down might be a good idea. I have the slider, and
>as someone recently posted, replacing the two roller mount bolts with
>pull pins certainly gives one another option. When I've flown over
>water, I've contemplated exactly that problem. It seems that if the
>front of the canopy lifts up, it should go ballistic and clear the
>vertical fin. Not a certain thing, though, but neither is it certain
>that the canopy won't jamb after a forced landing or ditching.
>
>Alex Peterson
>Maple Grove, MN
>RV6-A N66AP 432 hours
>www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>
>
>
>
--
Randy Richter
richterrbb@earthlink.net
-7QB Kit in hibernation
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| Subject: | Jeff Rose - modified automotive plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Japundza <bjapundza@yahoo.com>
Jerry,
I've tried some different plugs; best results by far have been Denso W27EMR-C (these
are plugs that Klaus S. recommends for use with the lightspeed ignition.)
You will have to get a set of the silicon-bronze adapters. With the Autolite
386 plugs Jeff used to recommend I saw excessive electrode erosion after a
few hours; I replaced them each oil change. It ran ok on those plugs. Running
the REM-37BY's on the electronic ignition, I had a chronic problem with ignition
noise, and I never liked the way the wires were attached to the plugs. My
last annual I replaced the Denso plugs but didn't need to...they only cost $2-something.
I've been very happy with these plugs. No noise, no wear, no problems.
I don't have any experience with the plugs that need to be turned, might
be good for a wife-excuse to buy a lathe...:) just ask my wife about the big
Bridgeport cnc thingy in my shop...
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 N244BJ 500+ hours
F1 QB under const.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Jeff Rose - modified automotive plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Just an FYI for those who may be wondering why Jeff Rose had not thought
of/done this ... I think that Jeff himself used to "turn" the auto plugs on
a lathe (for the reasons your friend mentions) and supply them. He
subsequently decided to recommend the 37BYs even though he was selling the
"special" auto 386s (I think).
Not a "plug" for either approach, nor am I trying to "spark" any debate. :-)
Just FYI.
Your mileage may vary.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Calvert
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:17 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Jeff Rose - modified automotive plugs
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
>
> There has been recent posts in regards to switching from
> automotive plugs to the aircraft plugs with Jeff Rose igniton. A
> fellow RV6'er has used automotive plugs with his Rose ignition
> for years and plug life has been excellent.
>
> He explained that the automotive plugs have to be modified
> because they do not reach deep enough into the head. He turns
> the plug in a lathe and removes some of the shoulder of the plug
> which allows it to go deeper into the head.
>
> I plan on doing the same since I have the Rose ignition and
> wondered if those with problems had tried this approach?
>
> Jerry Calvert
> Edmond Ok
> RV6 N296JC
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 14:35 2004-01-19, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
>
>Anyone know of an RV using a Continental O-300?
>
>Would the engine mount for the O-320 be the same?
>
>The O-300 is out of a 1965 C-172.
>
>ERic--
>GodSpeed Aviation
Not even close and too heavy as well. 6 cylinders would be smooth but it's
only rated at 145 hp. You would need to change the accessory case to put a
fuel pump on it. I can't think of a low wing plane that had that engine in it.
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Re: liquid cooled engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 15:44 2004-01-19, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
>
>
>Listers: The current issue of Sport Aviation has an article on liquid
>cooling that gives as a reference a book titled "Aerodynamics of
>Propulsion" by authors Kuchemann, Dietrich and Weber. I would greatly
>admire to own a copy but an internet search turned up nothing. If
>anyone out there knows of a copy for sale, please advise me where it can
>be found. Thank you very much.
>
>Gordon Comfort
>N363GC
That book is worth its weight in gold on the market. You'll be lucky to
find one even listed.
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | -8A in FL last weekend? |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Anybody know who owns the -8A that was at the RV fly-in in Florida this
past weekend with an orange and white military paint scheme and a sort of
"sunburst" on the tail along with the number 25? You can see it in the
background of this picture:
http://www.skyviewphotography.com/images/vaf_upload/3271_sm.jpg
Just curious.....
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D still doing baffles....
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | dremel cutting attachment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
What dremel cutting attachment is good for making the funky shaped hole in
the rear spar reinforcement where the aileron pushrod comes through?
Thanks,
-Will Allen
North Bend, WA.
RV-8 wings
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<rv-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Maybe you could post this noise problem on Bob Nuckoll's Aeroelectric e-mail
list - he could suggest an approach to finding and eliminating the noise.
He just needs as much info as you have to know what to advise. The address
is in the "To" field above.
David Carter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> It was a problem with white noise, sometime called broad band noise by
> engineers), also called EMI, breaking squelch on the com. Many many
> days spent trying different things to make it go away. Dynon is aware of
> the problem and offers only the standard solutions. You know, shield,
> protect, rewire, etc. Ultimately I was unable to find a satisfactory
> solution and pulled the unit(external mag compass) out. It does provide
> an accurate heading, but the EMI is unacceptable.
>
> See archived message number 116261 for details on my EMI problem. I know
> of 6 others personally, that is people I know and fly with, who also
> experienced this problem, and about 10 more through emails around the
> country, that also experienced this problem and hoped I could find a
> solution. Some have been able to get the problem under control, although
> I know of none personally have have been able to make it go away
> completelynot. Others, as in my case, have only been able to make it go
> from really really bad, to bad.
>
> Anyway, that's why I say the external mag "sucks"
> Mike
> Do not archive.
>
> Oh and PS, Doug at Dynon did call me this morning after reading my post
> to ask that I do some data logging as they have seen this problem, the
> tilting problem that is, before. I will be happy to do this as long as I
> can reproduce the problem reliably. So far I have only the first
> repeated occurrence in light to moderate chop with the occasional head
> canopy smashing. Ill have to keep flying to find out how to reproduce
> the problem. Poor me.
>
> Also Doug said, to his credit, that one occurrence (which I already knew
> cause I fly with this guy every week), showed upwards of a 45 degree
> roll on level wings. These are isolated incidences for sure. But I know
> of several myself, and I am just one guy.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wheeler North
> To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RV-List: Dynon
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> Mike, why do you say the external mag on the dynon sucks?
>
> It took a little fiddling to get it installed accurately, but mine is
> now as
> accurate as my SIRS compass.
>
> W
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
I too had the same problem with the Dynon and the noise breaking squelch. I
think I may have been the first to contact Dynon last summer as they had not
heard of it before. I ended up re-routing the wires away from the other
aiframe wiring and the issue went away. I also tried shielded wire and grounding
it, but it actually seemed to make it worse when grounded. Ultimately I
rerouted the wires and have not had the problem since. I'm guessing 40 flight
hours
or so.
I love the Dynon, yes had some problems, but I still feel it is a great unit
for the money!
-Mike Kraus
N223RV RV-4 Fling
N213RV RV-10 Empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Ditching an RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
The pilot is a Hawaiian Airlines pilot. Here is another link to the story, the
Honoluluaadvertiser link didn't work for me.
http://starbulletin.com/2004/01/19/news/story1.html
I used to think if I had a choice between a rough field landing vs water that I
would pick the water. Now I know why more experienced pilots always pick the
dirt when given a choice. It was a georgous 8, too bad but it's great he was home
having dinner with his family the same night,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laird Owens" <owens@aerovironment.com>
Subject: RV-List: Ditching an RV
> --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
> I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land
> an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
>
> Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately,
> the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned
> it flipped on it's head and submerged.
>
> For the whole story see:
> http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html
>
>
> Keep dry out there!
>
> Laird
> RV-6 SoCal
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: <John.Morrissey@csiro.au>
Your not talking about carrying weapons on your aircraft are you :-)
Seriously the hardest part would be holding your breath long enough
while hanging upside down in dirty water to break a big enough hole to
get out....
Cheers
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Richter [mailto:richterrbb@earthlink.net]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV
--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
Something else to consider would be to leave the canopy on during the
ditching (for personal protection) and have a canopy breaker tool (ala,
T-37) available to break a hole in it after the fact. I heard that the
CBT was actually tried on a T-37 canopy (something like 3/4" thick, I
think - anyone else on the list have an exact dimension?) once and
actually took several minutes to make a hole large enough to get
through, but I think the 3/16 to 1/4" canopies on an RV should succumb
much more easily.
The T-37 tool resembles a very short fixed-blade knife with a really
dull edge and about a 1.5-2 lb. handle. Cup the end of the handle in one
hand while grasping it with the other, make sure the curved edge of the
blade is TOWARD you (so it glances off the canopy AWAY from your
sensitive scalp) and proceed to pound away with upward thrusts.
FWIW
Randy
Terry Watson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>It would seem to me IF you expect that an RV will flip tail over nose
when
>you ditch it, you might want the canopy on to absorb the impact when
you
>land on your back. Having pins to pull after you end up on your back in
the
>water might be a good idea.
>
>Terry
>Do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alex Peterson
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
>
>
>>>I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when
>>>
>>>
>>you land an
>>
>>
>>>RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
>>>
>>>Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai.
>>>
>>>
>>Fortunately, the
>>
>>
>>>Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned it
>>>flipped on it's head and submerged.
>>>
>>>
>
>Too bad, but a good outcome. It does make one think about having the
>canopy "jettisonable" as Van's original design had on the 6. These
>things often flip during off airport landings, and getting rid of the
>canopy on the glide down might be a good idea. I have the slider, and
>as someone recently posted, replacing the two roller mount bolts with
>pull pins certainly gives one another option. When I've flown over
>water, I've contemplated exactly that problem. It seems that if the
>front of the canopy lifts up, it should go ballistic and clear the
>vertical fin. Not a certain thing, though, but neither is it certain
>that the canopy won't jamb after a forced landing or ditching.
>
>Alex Peterson
>Maple Grove, MN
>RV6-A N66AP 432 hours
>www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>
>
>
>
--
Randy Richter
richterrbb@earthlink.net
-7QB Kit in hibernation
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Ditching an RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Other posts have suggested that with an RV-6 slider, unlocking the canopy
in-flight results in the canopy sliding aft a few inches and then remaining
there with the airloads preventing it from moving farther aft and resisting
efforts to close it fully to relock it. (Perhaps someone who has done this
intentionally or otherwise could confirm this).
The question remains if there would sufficient upward force in such a
situation to lift the canopy upwards assuming the pins that replaced the
roller bolts were pulled. (Yet another question, would it be realistic to
expect to pull the pins in such a case, considering the friction loads on
the pins that would likely be present ?) Then there is the geometry and
strength of the aft centre canopy slider block to consider; assuming the
front edge of the canopy was lifted up in the slip stream would it reliably
depart the aircraft or get struck half way still barring exit from the
aircraft (and possibly warped and jammed into some intermediate position.)
Years ago I learned to fly in a DHC-1 Chipmunk, which has a similar
configuration to an RV-8 with a sliding bubble canopy. In the Chipmunk, just
unlocking the canopy in the air would move it slightly aft where it would
remain - effectively blocking exit from the cockpit. (The military made us
wear chutes - so this was of some concern). The designer's answer was to add
a folding metal panel perhaps 18" x 18" to the aft end of the canopy which
was hinged at lower aft edge so that it would open about 60 degs like a
clamshell. It was spring-loaded to the open position but was held closed by
a catch at its forward edge so that it remained flush with the aft end of
the canopy (the whole panel was contoured to match the canopy fairly
closely). If required, an emergency canopy opening handle was pulled which
released the normal canopy locks and also pulled the catch on the panel
which was opened by the spring after which airloads took over and the drag
of the panel was enough to pull the canopy fully back. Then you stood up and
made like a Mustang or Spitfire pilot and dived over the trailing edge of
the wing, etc.
This sounds like it would be a doable project for the slider canopy RV
series of airplanes. The folding panel would have to be sized and mounted
properly to get the desired opening force and then there would be some
detail design required to provide a latch that would open but be
safe-guarded against inadvertent operation and such.
For a photo of what is required try
http://www.blackflyaero.com/Chipmunk%20Gallery/ and click on the upper LH
thumbnail photo. The panel is at the aft end of the canopy. BTW, only the
Canadian built ones with the true bubble canopy seem to have had this
feature.
Jim Oke
RV-3
RV-6A
Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
> > >I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when
> > you land an
> > >RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
> > >
> > >Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai.
> > Fortunately, the
> > >Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned it
> > >flipped on it's head and submerged.
>
> Too bad, but a good outcome. It does make one think about having the
> canopy "jettisonable" as Van's original design had on the 6. These
> things often flip during off airport landings, and getting rid of the
> canopy on the glide down might be a good idea. I have the slider, and
> as someone recently posted, replacing the two roller mount bolts with
> pull pins certainly gives one another option. When I've flown over
> water, I've contemplated exactly that problem. It seems that if the
> front of the canopy lifts up, it should go ballistic and clear the
> vertical fin. Not a certain thing, though, but neither is it certain
> that the canopy won't jamb after a forced landing or ditching.
>
> Alex Peterson
> Maple Grove, MN
> RV6-A N66AP 432 hours
> www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dremel cutting attachment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
I sketched in the shape, drilled series of close spaced #40 holes just in
side the line and then used a small abrasive disk to free the cut away part.
Used a variety of round and half-round files after that.
If possible try and get a look at a finished aircraft and copy the shape of
this cut-out. The RV-6 plans just show a simple square hole when a much
larger curved teardrop shape is actually needed.
Jim oke
RV-3, RV-6A
YWG, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: dremel cutting attachment
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
<linenwool@comcast.net>
>
> What dremel cutting attachment is good for making the funky shaped hole in
> the rear spar reinforcement where the aileron pushrod comes through?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> -Will Allen
>
> North Bend, WA.
>
> RV-8 wings
>
>
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| Subject: | RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Works for me... 8
)
http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp?zip=91709&maxDistance=25
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Perry" <eperry@san.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" <eperry@san.rr.com>
>
> I tried a search using the RV Finder on Dan Checkoway's website but it was
> not working...What's up with that Dan?
> Ed Perry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
> > >
> > >I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land
> > >an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago....
> > >
> > >Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately,
> > >the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned
> > >it flipped on it's head and submerged.
> > >
> > >For the whole story see:
> > >http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html
> > >
> > >
> > >Keep dry out there!
> > >
> > >Laird
> > >RV-6 SoCal
> >
> >
> > Hey, didn't Mike Robertson sell his -8 while over there a while back?
> Same
> > airplane?
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94Bd
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the
> max!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dremel cutting attachment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I used a Unibit to start the hole, and then I think I used a 1/2" sanding
drum...or maybe it was a 1/4" drum. Something like that.
Hope this helps,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: dremel cutting attachment
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
<linenwool@comcast.net>
>
> What dremel cutting attachment is good for making the funky shaped hole in
> the rear spar reinforcement where the aileron pushrod comes through?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> -Will Allen
>
> North Bend, WA.
>
> RV-8 wings
>
>
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