---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/20/04: 65 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:29 AM - Re: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") (Ed Perry) 2. 02:41 AM - Re: RV Engine (PASSPAT@aol.com) 3. 02:43 AM - Tailwheel Cross Winds (Jim Nolan) 4. 04:38 AM - Cross Wind (Ronschreck99@aol.com) 5. 04:44 AM - Cross Wind (Ronschreck99@aol.com) 6. 05:41 AM - Need a Photo of a Particular RV-8 (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com) 7. 06:07 AM - Re: Ditching an RV (Scott Bilinski) 8. 06:42 AM - Re: Cross Wind (DWENSING@aol.com) 9. 06:48 AM - Re: dremel cutting attachment (DWENSING@aol.com) 10. 06:48 AM - Re: Dynon Remote compass Module Location in RV-8 (Nebr RV-8) 11. 07:10 AM - Re: Cross Wind (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com) 12. 07:11 AM - Re: RV Engine (Cy Galley) 13. 07:18 AM - big tail, little tail (Frazier, Vincent A) 14. 07:19 AM - Re: 122-compatible Prestolite starters (Rich Chiappe) 15. 07:20 AM - Grove RV-8 Aftermarket Landing Gear (RV_8 Pilot) 16. 07:24 AM - Re: dremel cutting attachment (Cammie Patch) 17. 07:40 AM - Re: [rv8list] RV Engine + Turbocharged (Eric Parlow) 18. 07:43 AM - Re: Cross Wind (Larry Pardue) 19. 07:44 AM - Re: dremel cutting attachment (Dwight Frye) 20. 08:02 AM - Re: RV Engine (Schilling Karl) 21. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: [rv8list] RV Engine + Turbocharged (UFOBUCK@aol.com) 22. 08:27 AM - Re: Grove RV-8 Aftermarket Landing Gear (Ed Perry) 23. 08:38 AM - HELP WANTED - 24 Years of the RV-ator (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 24. 08:49 AM - Re: big tail, little tail (Mike Nellis) 25. 09:07 AM - Re: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") (Dan Checkoway) 26. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: [rv8list] RV Engine + Turbocharged (linn walters) 27. 10:05 AM - Re: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") (Ed Perry) 28. 10:09 AM - Re: Ditching an RV (Jeff Cours) 29. 10:50 AM - Re: Ditching an RV (Mike Robertson) 30. 11:02 AM - Re: [rv8list] RV Engine (Eric Parlow) 31. 11:02 AM - Re: Tailwheel Cross Winds (GMC) 32. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: [rv8list] RV Engine (Colt Seavers) 33. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: [rv8list] RV Engine + Turbocharged (Charlie & Tupper England) 34. 12:16 PM - Re: dremel cutting attachment (Charlie & Tupper England) 35. 12:22 PM - Re: dremel cutting attachment (PSILeD@aol.com) 36. 12:55 PM - Re: Tailwheel Cross Winds (Doug Rozendaal) 37. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: [rv8list] RV Engine (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 38. 01:19 PM - Lycoming S/B (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 39. 01:32 PM - Re: liquid cooled engines (Gordon and Marge) 40. 01:38 PM - Re: big tail, little tail (Gordon and Marge) 41. 02:02 PM - Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? (C. Rabaut) 42. 02:07 PM - Re: Need a Photo of a Particular RV-8 (James E. Clark) 43. 02:16 PM - Re: liquid cooled engines (Richard Tasker) 44. 02:25 PM - Sterba Wood Prop (Bill VonDane) 45. 02:33 PM - Re: liquid cooled engines (Scott Bilinski) 46. 02:36 PM - Re: Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? (Alex Peterson) 47. 02:42 PM - Re: Lycoming S/B (GMC) 48. 02:48 PM - Re: Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? (Cammie Patch) 49. 02:59 PM - Re: Strobe lights (Jim Bower) 50. 03:02 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Brian Kraut) 51. 03:47 PM - Re: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? (Kai Schumann) 52. 04:06 PM - Re: Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? () 53. 04:13 PM - Re: Lycoming S/B (Knicholas2@aol.com) 54. 04:16 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Kevin Horton) 55. 04:22 PM - Re: Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? (James E. Clark) 56. 05:16 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (linn walters) 57. 05:33 PM - Aerodynamics of propulsion (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 58. 06:06 PM - Another first flight RV6 (Dave Ford) 59. 06:08 PM - Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking (Gabe A Ferrer) 60. 07:20 PM - Re: big tail, little tail (Dave Bristol) 61. 07:27 PM - Re: Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking (Alex Peterson) 62. 08:11 PM - Re: Ditching an RV (Christopher J Fortin) 63. 08:13 PM - Re: Another first flight RV6 (Richard Dudley) 64. 10:30 PM - Re: Another first flight RV6 (WPAerial@aol.com) 65. 10:33 PM - Re: Another first flight RV6 (Karie Daniel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:19 AM PST US From: "Ed Perry" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" Hey Dan... Operator error oops...But still does not show any RV-8's. That seem strange. Thanks, Ed Perry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > Works for me... 8 > ) > > http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp?zip=91709&maxDistance=25 > > do not archive > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Perry" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" > > > > I tried a search using the RV Finder on Dan Checkoway's website but it was > > not working...What's up with that Dan? > > Ed Perry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Denk" > > To: > > Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > > > > > > > >I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land > > > >an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago.... > > > > > > > >Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately, > > > >the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned > > > >it flipped on it's head and submerged. > > > > > > > >For the whole story see: > > > >http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html > > > > > > > > > > > >Keep dry out there! > > > > > > > >Laird > > > >RV-6 SoCal > > > > > > > > > Hey, didn't Mike Robertson sell his -8 while over there a while back? > > Same > > > airplane? > > > > > > Brian Denk > > > RV8 N94Bd > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the > > max! > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:11 AM PST US From: PASSPAT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Engine --> RV-List message posted by: PASSPAT@aol.com The Cont. 0-300s were used on the Swift low wing aircraft to replace the 125 Hp. version which was the same physical size. Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:28 AM PST US From: "Jim Nolan" Subject: RV-List: Tailwheel Cross Winds --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" The RV-4 can take a 25kt. direct cross wind. The wing is down and the rudder is to the floor. Also, prayers are being said at that time. Jim Nolan N444JN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:08 AM PST US From: Ronschreck99@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Cross Wind --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com In a message dated 1/20/2004 2:59:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Does anyone know or any officially published cross wind limitations for RV-8's? How about self imposed cross wind limitations from those currently flying? I've had mine in 15 G 25 mph and it's no fun. Thoughts comments etc. Steve Glasgow Steve, I have arranged to have the wind blowing right down the runway on your next visit! Seriously...rudder authority is your limiting factor. When you can no longer hold the fuselage centerline parallel to the runway centerline while holding a constant bank into the wind with aileron, then you have exceeded the rudder authority at that airspeed. You can increase rudder authority by increasing airspeed and this is why it is common practice to add a few knots in crosswind conditions. On a very short field this may bring up other problems. Ron Schreck Gold Hill Airpark, NC 3000 ft x 30 ft. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:58 AM PST US From: Ronschreck99@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Cross Wind --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com In a message dated 1/20/2004 2:59:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, Glenn Williams writes: Ah the good old argument that the nose wheel is for sissy boys finally comes to light does it? It seems that you a_ _ draggers are finally seeing your limitations. I would think that the nose wheel airplane could handle those winds 15 G 30 with a certain amount of easiness. Now how do you like those apples? LOL LOL LOL let the flames begin anew. (I can't wait) Glenn Williams Glen, It has nothing to do with nose/tailwheel in the case of the RV's and others that have a castering nosewheel. In a crosswind you only have rudder and brakes to keep you on the runway after touchdown, same as the tailwheel crowd. Ron Schreck RV-8 do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:37 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Need a Photo of a Particular RV-8 From: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com 01/20/2004 08:35:47 AM --> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com Listers, While attending Sun N Fun last year (On Friday), I saw a RV-8 that was painted with a light gray/ white (possibly light blue/white) camouflage scheme and had red stars on her. I believe that the owner said that this was a "temporary" paint scheme at the time. Would anyone have a photo of this ship? Don do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:43 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > >It would seem to me IF you expect that an RV will flip tail over nose when >you ditch it, you might want the canopy on to absorb the impact when you >land on your back. Having pins to pull after you end up on your back in the >water might be a good idea. I think we know that in flight and most likely after flipping the canopy most likely will NOT be easy to open. I suggest a pry bar of sorts to open the canopy the first couple inches. Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:34 AM PST US From: DWENSING@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Cross Wind --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com In a message dated 1/20/04 7:45:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ronschreck99@aol.com writes: > Glen, It has nothing to do with nose/tailwheel in the case of the RV's and > others that have a castering nosewheel. In a crosswind you only have rudder > and > brakes to keep you on the runway after touchdown, same as the tailwheel > crowd. > > Ron Schreck > Yes Ron. But, the airplane isn't also trying to swap ends because of the relationship of the center of mass to the landing gear placement. Dale Ensing do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:05 AM PST US From: DWENSING@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: dremel cutting attachment --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com In a message dated 1/20/04 12:51:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, linenwool@comcast.net writes: > What dremel cutting attachment is good for making the funky shaped hole in > the rear spar reinforcement where the aileron pushrod comes through? > Dramel makes a cutter attachment that is about 3/8" diameter that work very well for such as the aileron push rod holes and the flap rod hole. You must still make the initial starting hole with drill or Unibit. Not sure what it's proper name is but can be purchased at places like Home Depot. Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:13 AM PST US From: "Nebr RV-8" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Remote compass Module Location in RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Nebr RV-8" Hi Gang, I'm installing a Dynon in my RV-8. What is the best place to mount the remote compass module? I was thinking back in the tail under the vertical stab. Does this make sense? As always this list has been a great help. Thanks, Jim Muegge RV-8 Paint and final misc. items ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Cross Wind From: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com 01/20/2004 08:28:34 AM --> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com I am fully aware it has nothing to do with a nose or tail wheel but it is fun at times to get the old debate going again. You see it has nothing to do with the tail or nose gear. It is a "style/preference" thing. again LOLOLOLOL Glenn do not archive Ronschreck99@aol.com@matronics.com on 01/20/2004 06:41:52 AM Please respond to rv-list@matronics.com Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com cc: Subject: RV-List: Cross Wind --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com In a message dated 1/20/2004 2:59:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, Glenn Williams writes: Ah the good old argument that the nose wheel is for sissy boys finally comes to light does it? It seems that you a_ _ draggers are finally seeing your limitations. I would think that the nose wheel airplane could handle those winds 15 G 30 with a certain amount of easiness. Now how do you like those apples? LOL LOL LOL let the flames begin anew. (I can't wait) Glenn Williams Glen, It has nothing to do with nose/tailwheel in the case of the RV's and others that have a castering nosewheel. In a crosswind you only have rudder and brakes to keep you on the runway after touchdown, same as the tailwheel crowd. Ron Schreck RV-8 do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:03 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" No need to change the accessory case as a fuel pump pad was on the right front of the engine for the Cessna 170. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McGee" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Engine > --> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee > > At 14:35 2004-01-19, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" > > > >Anyone know of an RV using a Continental O-300? > > > >Would the engine mount for the O-320 be the same? > > > >The O-300 is out of a 1965 C-172. > > > >ERic-- > >GodSpeed Aviation > > > Not even close and too heavy as well. 6 cylinders would be smooth but it's > only rated at 145 hp. You would need to change the accessory case to put a > fuel pump on it. I can't think of a low wing plane that had that engine in it. > > > Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR > 13B in gestation mode > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:54 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: big tail, little tail From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP Speaking of Xwinds, I just posted some recently taken photos of my two RV6's parked tail to tail. This is to highlight the difference between the old "short" tail, and the new taller "RV9" tail. SNIP This thread got me thinking about the differences between the big tailed Stinson 108-3 and the small tailed Stinson 108-1 that I own. Both are tailwheel for those who might not know. The big tailed 108-3 is more stable in the air (no fishtailing whatsoever) but taxiing in a crosswind is absolutely awful. On this airplane, I'll take the small tail version everytime, even if it does fishtail (barely) in the air. I've never noticed actually running out of rudder with either one. I think the big tail was done so you could take extended naps on crosscountry flights as the big tailed Stinsons are very stable. Or maybe for floats??? Does this relate to RV tails in any way? Maybe. Maybe not. Vince ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:00 AM PST US From: Rich Chiappe Subject: RV-List: Re: 122-compatible Prestolite starters --> RV-List message posted by: Rich Chiappe On 1/10, Mark wrote: > My O-320 has a 122 tooth ring gear and last nite I bolted up a geared > prestolite borrowed from a friend to see if it runs better than my direct-drive > Delco. Both starters have nine teeth on the pinions, but the geared starter only > engages about a third of the depth of the ring gear teeth (no, I'm not going to > run it!) Does this indicate that the geared motor came from a 149 tooth > engine? Remember, the number of teeth on a Bendix (or drive gear) does not determine compatibilty, it's the "pitch" of the gear that's important. A 122-tooth ring gear is of 10/12 pitch (a 149 is 12/14). So look for these factors when matching starters to ring gears, not tooth count per se. You'll find many lightweight startes actually have a completely different tooth count on their drive gears than the original Prestolites they replace. Here is a list I've compiled so far of 122-tooth compatible Prestolite starters: Model Volts Teeth ENGINES MHJ-4004 24 122 720 MHJ-4005 24 122 720 MHB-4015 24 122 235 MMU-4001 24 122 235 MZ-4204 12 122 235, 290, 320 Similarly, these are 149-tooth ring gear compatible Prestolite starters: MHB-4001 24 149 320, 340, 360, 540 MHB-4002 24 149 TIO-541-E MHB-4003 24 149 360 MHB-4005 24 149 TIGO-541 MHB-4007 24 149 540 MHB-4008 24 149 TVO-435, VO-435 MHB-4009 24 149 LTIO-540 MHB-4010 24 149 320, 340, 360, 540 MHB-4011 24 149 TIO-541-E MHB-4012 24 149 360 MHB-4013 24 149 540 MHB-4014 24 149 LTIO-540 MHB-4016 24 149 320, 340, 360, 540 MHB-4017 24 149 TIO-541-E MHB-4018 24 149 540 MHB-4019 24 149 360 MHB-4020 24 149 360 MZ-4205 12 149 360 MZ-4206 12 149 235, 290, 320, 340, 360, 540 MZ-4207 12 149 TIO-541-A MZ-4216 12 149 LIO-320, LO-360, LIO-360 MZ-4217 12 149 360 MZ-4218 12 149 235, 290, 320, 340, 360, 540 MZ-4219 12 149 TIO-541-A MZ-4220 12 149 LIO-320, LO-360, LIO-360 MZ-4221 12 149 360 MZ-4222 12 149 235, 290, 320, 340, 360, 540 MZ-4223 12 149 TIO-541A MZ-4224 12 149 320 MZ-4225 12 149 360 MZ-4226 12 149 360 Hope this helps, - Rich Chiappe Sky-Tec 800-476-7896 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:03 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RV-List: Grove RV-8 Aftermarket Landing Gear --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Anyone have any experience they can pass on with these landing gear? I'm seriously considering retrofitting and would like some feedback from users. Considering the fact that I'm only running with 160 hp, I'm thinking the 17-lb weight savings may be worth the cost? Thanks Bryan Jones -8 www.LoneStarSquadron.com Houston, Texas Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:47 AM PST US From: "Cammie Patch" Subject: RE: RV-List: dremel cutting attachment --> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" The cutting bit that Dale refers to works wonderfully to cut out this hole. A word of warning however, drill the initial hole out as large as possible, and do everything you can to ensure that the bit is not in contact with the material more than about a third to a half of the way around the cutter head. It will bind up can have unpleasant results. Cammie Bring on that Fuse kit! --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com In a message dated 1/20/04 12:51:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, linenwool@comcast.net writes: > What dremel cutting attachment is good for making the funky shaped hole in > the rear spar reinforcement where the aileron pushrod comes through? > Dremel makes a cutter attachment that is about 3/8" diameter that work very well for such as the aileron push rod holes and the flap rod hole. You must still make the initial starting hole with drill or Unibit. Not sure what it's proper name is but can be purchased at places like Home Depot. Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:32 AM PST US From: "Eric Parlow" Subject: RV-List: RE: [rv8list] RV Engine + Turbocharged --> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" Thanks for all the responses! My plan is to turbocharge to 200 bhp and use electronic FI & Ign. I was looking at the O-300 because I would like to use a 6 cyl over a large 4cyl. Any suggestions? ERic-- GodSpeed Aviation RV-8A ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Eric Parlow" Subject: [rv8list] RV Engine Anyone know of an RV using a Continental O-300? Would the engine mount for the O-320 be the same? The O-300 is out of a 1965 C-172. ERic-- GodSpeed Aviation Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:10 AM PST US From: "Larry Pardue" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cross Wind --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/20/04 7:45:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Ronschreck99@aol.com writes: > > > > Glen, It has nothing to do with nose/tailwheel in the case of the RV's and > > others that have a castering nosewheel. In a crosswind you only have rudder > > and > > brakes to keep you on the runway after touchdown, same as the tailwheel > > crowd. > > > > Ron Schreck > > > > Yes Ron. But, the airplane isn't also trying to swap ends because of the > relationship of the center of mass to the landing gear placement. > Dale Ensing > do not archive > Well, the airplane is always trying to swap ends with a taildragger, I don't think that is a bigger factor in a crosswind. What may be a factor on the ground is that the lever arm from the tail to the pivot point (main gear) is longer with the taildragger, so the wind has more leverage on the tail. Offsetting this is that the taildragger has brakes and steering, rather than just brakes. Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM Not nervous about crosswinds with my taildragger http://n5lp.net ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:24 AM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: dremel cutting attachment --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye I've used a #115 High Speed Cutter to get that job done. As mentioned already it can be found in the aviation tools section of Home Depot. I also started by using my unibit to open things up as much as possible to avoid the binding behavior mentioned by Cammie. This bit is great, though, in that you can use it to "whittle" away aluminum from even heavy stock. -- Dwight On Tue Jan 20 10:21:45 2004, Cammie Patch wrote : >The cutting bit that Dale refers to works wonderfully to cut out this hole. >A word of warning however, drill the initial hole out as large as possible, >and do everything you can to ensure that the bit is not in contact with the >material more than about a third to a half of the way around the cutter >head. It will bind up can have unpleasant results. >Cammie >Bring on that Fuse kit! ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:39 AM PST US From: Schilling Karl Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Engine --> RV-List message posted by: Schilling Karl A large number of the Swift's had the 0-300. the only 170 to have a fuel pump on it was the first year the rag wing. Check with the Swift assoc. for more info on these engines. -----Original Message----- From: Cy Galley [mailto:cgalley@QCBC.ORG] Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" No need to change the accessory case as a fuel pump pad was on the right front of the engine for the Cessna 170. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McGee" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Engine > --> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee > > At 14:35 2004-01-19, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" > > > >Anyone know of an RV using a Continental O-300? > > > >Would the engine mount for the O-320 be the same? > > > >The O-300 is out of a 1965 C-172. > > > >ERic-- > >GodSpeed Aviation > > > Not even close and too heavy as well. 6 cylinders would be smooth but it's > only rated at 145 hp. You would need to change the accessory case to put a > fuel pump on it. I can't think of a low wing plane that had that engine in it. > > > Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR > 13B in gestation mode > > __________________________________ The information contained in this email and any accompanying documents is intended for the sole use of the recipient to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and prohibited from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive this on behalf of the recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact the sender by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:01 AM PST US From: UFOBUCK@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: [rv8list] RV Engine + Turbocharged --> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com Eric- I do have a suggestion. Power your own design however you want but please do not call it an RV. B.Clary ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:41 AM PST US From: "Ed Perry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Grove RV-8 Aftermarket Landing Gear --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" I have the first generation non-airfoil shape and I love them. They are stiffer than the steel gear and don't bounce. They are steadier on the ground and the customer service is excellent. They are thicker than the steel and will require a new set of intersection fairings top and bottom. If you get the airfoil shape you only need the top and bottom fairings. If you get the non airfoil you will need top and bottom plus the gear leg fairing. I got mine from Team Rocket and they fit good. You will have to shorten them though. Are you sure that you want to change your steel gear out - 'cause I'm thinking about all the new words you will have to use to get to the bolts in the gear tower.... Good Luck and if you have any questions Robbie Grove is very helpful, Ed Perry RV-8 Grove Gear ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RV-List: Grove RV-8 Aftermarket Landing Gear > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" > > Anyone have any experience they can pass on with these landing gear? I'm > seriously considering retrofitting and would like some feedback from users. > Considering the fact that I'm only running with 160 hp, I'm thinking the > 17-lb weight savings may be worth the cost? > > Thanks > > Bryan Jones -8 > www.LoneStarSquadron.com > Houston, Texas > > Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! > http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:29 AM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: RV-List: HELP WANTED - 24 Years of the RV-ator --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Help wanted to produce next edition: 24 Years of the RVator Work involves: 1] reformatting current chapters of 21Year book and inserting relevent RVator articles from years 2001-2003 in the appropriate sequence within each chapter (text and graphics) 2] creation of a new set of pages for printing 3] considerable typing - minor editing 4] advertising sales to RV relevent companies and ad production Equipment you'll need: 1] PC with 3.5" floppy drive, CD burner, and Word Perfect and some graphics creation software (CorelDraw?) 2] a decent laser printer of at least 600 dpi 3] basic office supplies to be self sufficient to do the work 4] the time available to complete this project by April or May (an estimate of 250-300 hours of work, but just like Van's contruction time estimates, your actual time will depend on "how good you are at this type of thing") Experience requested: 1] That you be at least into the finishing kit of an RV project 2] some experience related to this work: (writing, publishing, computer graphics, etc) Compensation offered: 1] A generous percentage of sales paid monthly over the lifetime of this edition. (If you had done this work for the 21Years of the RV-ator edition your percentage of sales would have been approximately $9500) 2] A generous percentage of advertising sales paid upon closing (If you had done this work for the 21Years of the RV-ator edition your advertising commission would have been approximately $5500) If you are interested, please write back off list to agold@ACtechbooks.com or call 970 887-2207 Thanks, Andy do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:55 AM PST US From: "Mike Nellis" Subject: RE: RV-List: big tail, little tail --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" Either Tail is a PITA when taxiing in a x-wind especially when you got a Maule tailwheel installed. Mike Nellis RV-6 Fuselage N699BM 1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K http://bmnellis.com *** -----Original Message----- *** From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com *** [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of *** Frazier, Vincent A *** Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:16 AM *** To: rv-list@matronics.com *** Subject: RV-List: big tail, little tail *** *** *** --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" *** *** *** SNIP Speaking of Xwinds, I just posted some recently taken *** photos of my two RV6's parked tail to tail. *** *** This is to highlight the difference between the old "short" *** tail, and the new taller "RV9" tail. SNIP *** *** This thread got me thinking about the differences between *** the big tailed Stinson 108-3 and the small tailed Stinson *** 108-1 that I own. Both are tailwheel for those who might not know. *** *** The big tailed 108-3 is more stable in the air (no *** fishtailing whatsoever) but taxiing in a crosswind is *** absolutely awful. On this airplane, I'll take the small *** tail version everytime, even if it does fishtail (barely) *** in the air. *** *** I've never noticed actually running out of rudder with *** either one. I think the big tail was done so you could *** take extended naps on crosscountry flights as the big *** tailed Stinsons are very stable. Or maybe for floats??? *** *** Does this relate to RV tails in any way? Maybe. Maybe not. *** *** Vince *** *** *** ============== *** Matronics Forums. *** ============== *** ============== *** ============== *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:41 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp Enter "San Diego, CA" and click "Search". Among the other types...a whole bunch of RV-8s came up. Scroll down to see 'em. It's working fine for me. Try closing your browser and starting from scratch. do not archive )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Perry" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" > > Hey Dan... > Operator error oops...But still does not show any RV-8's. That seem > strange. > Thanks, > Ed Perry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Checkoway" > To: > Subject: RV-List: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > > Works for me... 8 > > ) > > > > http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp?zip=91709&maxDistance=25 > > > > do not archive > > )_( Dan > > RV-7 N714D > > http://www.rvproject.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Perry" > > To: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" > > > > > > I tried a search using the RV Finder on Dan Checkoway's website but it > was > > > not working...What's up with that Dan? > > > Ed Perry > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Denk" > > > To: > > > Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > > > > > > > > > >I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land > > > > >an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago.... > > > > > > > > > >Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately, > > > > >the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned > > > > >it flipped on it's head and submerged. > > > > > > > > > >For the whole story see: > > > > >http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Keep dry out there! > > > > > > > > > >Laird > > > > >RV-6 SoCal > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, didn't Mike Robertson sell his -8 while over there a while back? > > > Same > > > > airplane? > > > > > > > > Brian Denk > > > > RV8 N94Bd > > > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the > > > max! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:28 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: [rv8list] RV Engine + Turbocharged --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters UFOBUCK@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com > >Eric- > >I do have a suggestion. > >Power your own design however you want but please do not call it an RV. > >B.Clary > > > Pretty presumptious on your part! Well, replying to an email to Eric may be presumptious on my part too. What you power an airplane with has nothing to do with the aircraft design ...... performance maybe ..... but the design is the same. Eric may disagree, but I, for one, wouldn't accept your suggestion. Linn ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:53 AM PST US From: "Ed Perry" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" Hi Dan, It works when I put in the correct information...but I put in Honolulu,HI and expected it to show an RV-8 or 2 and it only showed -3's & -4's . I was saying that was the odd thing. See if you get anything on that. Thank You, Ed Perry PS my -8 does not show up under San Diego, if you are looking for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp > > Enter "San Diego, CA" and click "Search". Among the other types...a whole > bunch of RV-8s came up. Scroll down to see 'em. It's working fine for me. > > Try closing your browser and starting from scratch. > > do not archive > )_( Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Perry" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" > > > > Hey Dan... > > Operator error oops...But still does not show any RV-8's. That seem > > strange. > > Thanks, > > Ed Perry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Checkoway" > > To: > > Subject: RV-List: RV Finder (was "Ditching an RV") > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > > > > Works for me... 8 > > > ) > > > > > > http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp?zip=91709&maxDistance=25 > > > > > > do not archive > > > )_( Dan > > > RV-7 N714D > > > http://www.rvproject.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ed Perry" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" > > > > > > > > I tried a search using the RV Finder on Dan Checkoway's website but it > > was > > > > not working...What's up with that Dan? > > > > Ed Perry > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Brian Denk" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > > > > > > > > > > > > >I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land > > > > > >an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago.... > > > > > > > > > > > >Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately, > > > > > >the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned > > > > > >it flipped on it's head and submerged. > > > > > > > > > > > >For the whole story see: > > > > > >http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Keep dry out there! > > > > > > > > > > > >Laird > > > > > >RV-6 SoCal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, didn't Mike Robertson sell his -8 while over there a while > back? > > > > Same > > > > > airplane? > > > > > > > > > > Brian Denk > > > > > RV8 N94Bd > > > > > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to > the > > > > max! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:03 AM PST US From: Jeff Cours Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Cours Hi, everyone - Part of the checklist I learned for forced landings in a Skyhawk is to pop open a door on short final, in case a crash bends the airframe and jams the doors shut. Would the same idea be useful for an RV with a slider canopy -- if you're about to make a forced landing, pop the canopy latch on short final? It sounds like the airspeeds would be low enough to let you safely do that. What's not clear to me is whether the canopy of the RV-8 that ditched was a tilt-up or a slider, and, if it was a slider, whether water pressure interfered with releasing the latch or the impact jammed the sliders. - Jeff C. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:00 AM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" I just found out about this a few hours ago. Yes, it was my old RV-8A. I am sick about it. I am not sure what happened yet other than it was a lost power situation. I have been trying to call my friend that bought it but haven't been able to get though. I thing they may have switched off the phone for now. I will give out more once I know more. Mike Robertson >From: "Brian Denk" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:35:01 +0000 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens > > > >I seem to remember some discussion about what happens when you land > >an RV in water on the list a couple of weeks ago.... > > > >Looks like it happened to some poor soul near Kauai. Fortunately, > >the Coast Guard did a great job and fished him out. Story mentioned > >it flipped on it's head and submerged. > > > >For the whole story see: > >http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/19/ln/ln02a.html > > > > > >Keep dry out there! > > > >Laird > >RV-6 SoCal > > >Hey, didn't Mike Robertson sell his -8 while over there a while back? Same >airplane? > >Brian Denk >RV8 N94Bd > >do not archive > >Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! > > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:00 AM PST US From: "Eric Parlow" Subject: RV-List: RE: [rv8list] RV Engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" B. Clary, Not sure what your point is, the RV is "Experimental". I'm an engine designer by profession and that's where I enjoy "Experimenting". What part of your RV is Experimental? ERic-- GodSpeed Aviation ----Original Message Follows---- From: UFOBUCK@aol.com --> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com Eric- I do have a suggestion. Power your own design however you want but please do not call it an RV. B.Clary Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:58 AM PST US From: "GMC" Subject: RE: RV-List: Tailwheel Cross Winds --> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" Hi Jim & fellow pilots. Lest some of our lower time pilots get over confident about crosswinds I would like to chime in with a note of caution. Certification standards for aircraft require that during ground operations they must be able to handle a crosswind that is 20 percent of the stall speed, most will handle more than the minimum. Our RV's are not certified and will easily meet the minimum certification requirement which would only be about 11 mph direct crosswind. However I would suggest that any new RV pilot use this limit (11 mph) until they are familiar with their aircraft. If I encountered a 25 kt direct crosswind I would be asking to land on a taxiway or something more aligned with the wind, or in the case of a 25 kt crosswind with a 200 ft wide runway I would land at a 30 to 45 degree angle across the runway effectively reducing the crosswind component. George in calm Langley, do not archive --------------------------------- Subject: RV-List: Tailwheel Cross Winds --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" The RV-4 can take a 25kt. direct cross wind. The wing is down and the rudder is to the floor. Also, prayers are being said at that time. Jim Nolan N444JN ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:33 AM PST US From: "Colt Seavers" Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: [rv8list] RV Engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Colt Seavers" B. Clary, I can only assume that your motivation for the previous post has to do with liabiltiy and insurance. Don't let the laywers and insurance brokers take the wind out of your sails. They have screwed up everyting from health care to general aviation, don't let them take the fun out of your experimental. -Ross Rv-7 Finishing, lots of mods >From: "Eric Parlow" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: UFOBUCK@aol.com >Subject: RV-List: RE: [rv8list] RV Engine >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:01:40 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" > >B. Clary, > >Not sure what your point is, the RV is "Experimental". > >I'm an engine designer by profession and that's where I enjoy >"Experimenting". > >What part of your RV is Experimental? > >ERic-- >GodSpeed Aviation > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: UFOBUCK@aol.com >--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com > >Eric- > >I do have a suggestion. > >Power your own design however you want but please do not call it an RV. > >B.Clary > >Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! > > Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:11 PM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: [rv8list] RV Engine + Turbocharged --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England In the interest of bringing back some experimental the to the 'experimental' RV's, I'd like to encourage you. FWIW, I believe that there are some guys flying pumpless Lycs (H series?) on RV's using redundant electric pumps. If you are going to use electronic injection on the engine, you will likely need 2 high pressure electric pumps anyway & a built-in mechanical pump would be useless. Have you talked to Tracy Crook at Real World Solutions about an injection/ignition controller? Charlie Eric Parlow wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" > >Thanks for all the responses! > >My plan is to turbocharge to 200 bhp and use electronic FI & Ign. > >I was looking at the O-300 because I would like to use a 6 cyl over a large >4cyl. > >Any suggestions? > >ERic-- >GodSpeed Aviation >RV-8A > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Eric Parlow" >To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [rv8list] RV Engine >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:35:58 -0500 > >Anyone know of an RV using a Continental O-300? > >Would the engine mount for the O-320 be the same? > >The O-300 is out of a 1965 C-172. > >ERic-- >GodSpeed Aviation > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:18 PM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England Subject: Re: RV-List: dremel cutting attachment --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England Will & Lynda Allen wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" > >What dremel cutting attachment is good for making the funky shaped hole in >the rear spar reinforcement where the aileron pushrod comes through? > > >Thanks, > > >-Will Allen > >North Bend, WA. > >RV-8 wings > I used a unibit first to remove about 1/2 the metal, then a small die grinder (a little more grunt than a dremel) with an egg-shaped burr, diamond cutting pattern to enlarge the hole to finish size & shape. There is a proper technical name for this cutting tool, and I'm sure someone else on the list will supply it since I can't remember the name. This is not a cutting wheel, but the type of tool used enlarge intake/exhaust ports in engines. I hope this makes at least a little sense. Charlie ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:32 PM PST US From: PSILeD@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: dremel cutting attachment --> RV-List message posted by: PSILeD@aol.com It is sometimes called a "burr". Paul ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:28 PM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tailwheel Cross Winds --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" > > The RV-4 can take a 25kt. direct cross wind. The wing is down and the rudder > is to the floor. Also, prayers are being said at that time. > Jim Nolan > N444JN > There are landings, and there is "Crash and Recover." A 25 kt x-wind in an RV, no matter where the 3rd wheel is, is not a landing, it is a "crash and recover." Just because it can be done, does not mean it should be done, or that it is smart or safe. I too have done similar stunts, well beyond the capability of the airplanes involved. (you are free to infer what you wish from the implication of that statement, guilty is my plea) My guess is, if the RV's were certified, they would have a 15-17 knot x-wind limit, and the tailwheel and trikes would be the same. The RV-6 might be a little less, I do not like the way the rudder gets mushy at higher angles of attack. A properly executed landing in a 15 knot x-wind will require nearly full deflection of both the rudder and aileron. Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:23 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: [rv8list] RV Engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Eric Parlow wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" > >B. Clary, > >Not sure what your point is, the RV is "Experimental". > >I'm an engine designer by profession and that's where I enjoy >"Experimenting". > >What part of your RV is Experimental? > >ERic-- >GodSpeed Aviation > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: UFOBUCK@aol.com >--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com > >Eric- > >I do have a suggestion. > >Power your own design however you want but please do not call it an RV. > >B.Clary > >Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! > > And then once Curtis Pitts told the first guy who ever put spring gear on an S1, "as far as I am concerned, it is no longer a Pitt's Special". Hmmmmm, times have changed a little.. I guess the same is true if Lightspeed or Rose ignitions are used on a Lycoming instead of a magneto, or electronic flight instruments instead of Vaccuum gages. Actually, there was the Swift, Dart, and Meyers 145 to name a few low wings with continentals.I think the Dart may have been a retrofit from an earlier round engine, but I did fly one that had a factory installed125 on it. Then there are some auto conversions. Some look real good and others deviate a bit from the "RV" look . . I think I would not overlook the 360 continental if I were going Continental, there are a lot of them out there. Study it carefully. And just remember that time can be money and money can be time. What I am saying is that things like building the mount can make a person wish they had went with bolt on parts just to save some time. Good luck, I would like to see a Continental powered RV6. Phil ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:41 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Lycoming S/B --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Anyone got a copy of or link to Lycoming Service Bulletin SB 527C dated 4/18/97? This was about those pesky piston pins. It's not on Lycoming's website (not too popular, I guess...) Thanks! Mark - #@$%&! paperwork! do not archive ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:01 PM PST US From: "Gordon and Marge" Subject: RE: RV-List: liquid cooled engines --> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard E. Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: liquid cooled engines --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" --> It looks as though there may be a used on on Amazon.com.uk: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/detail/offer-listing/-/B0000CIKRE /used/ref=sdp_usedb/026-4711604-3338025 Then again, i could have already been sold. Dick Tasker, 90573 Dick: Thanks for the tip. My attempts to buy have been frustrated, perhaps because of sellers payment restrictions, so am working through a resident of England and may have the purchase underway. Thanks again. Gordon Comfort N363GC ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:06 PM PST US From: "Gordon and Marge" Subject: RE: RV-List: big tail, little tail --> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier, Vincent A Subject: RV-List: big tail, little tail --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" This thread got me thinking about the differences between the big tailed Stinson 108-3 and the small tailed Stinson 108-1 that I own. Both are tailwheel for those who might not know. I've never noticed actually running out of rudder with either one. I think the big tail was done so you could take extended naps on crosscountry flights as the big tailed Stinsons are very stable. Or maybe for floats??? Vince Vince: My recollection from the time is that Stinson built the large tail in anticipation of the installation of a larger engine, perhaps a 190 Lyc, that never came to pass. Production ended before the change could be made. Gordon Comfort N363GC ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:48 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: RV-List: Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Okay Guys & Gals, Here's the 24 thousand dollar question... Can a set of RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ? If so, what differences and/or changes must be made to accommodate said cross-breeding. ...well since you asked; I've ended up with an RV-4 fuselage & emp and I'm probably going to purchase a set of RV-6 wings. Soooo.... Chuck do not archive ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:45 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Need a Photo of a Particular RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Don, What you **might** be referring to is actually and F1 Rocket owned by the President of "TeamRocket", Mark "Check Six"Frederick. His is a light gray "camo" scheme with red star (His quickbuild kits are done in the Czech Republic and the paint scheme was done in honor of his team over there.). Mark is a great guy and I am sure he will make photos available. Contact me "off list" and I might have something from Reno. James ... up the road a bit :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:41 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Need a Photo of a Particular RV-8 > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com > > > Listers, > While attending Sun N Fun last year (On Friday), I saw a RV-8 that was > painted with a light gray/ white (possibly light blue/white) camouflage > scheme and had red stars on her. I believe that the owner said that this > was a "temporary" paint scheme at the time. Would anyone have a photo of > this ship? > Don > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:59 PM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: liquid cooled engines --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker Glad to be of assistance. Let me know if you are successful. Dick Tasker, 90573 Do not archive Gordon and Marge wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" > > >Dick: Thanks for the tip. My attempts to buy have been frustrated, >perhaps because of sellers payment restrictions, so am working through a >resident of England and may have the purchase underway. Thanks again. > >Gordon Comfort >N363GC > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:56 PM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Sterba Wood Prop vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane I am in the market for a Sterba wood prop for an O320 (7/16" bolts)... Would like a 68x71 or 68x70, but consider anything... Thanks! -Bill VonDane EAA Tech Counselor RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:58 PM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: RE: RV-List: liquid cooled engines --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Speaking of liquid cooling anyone have any info on these guys.? http://www.liquidcooledairpower.com/cj-pricing.shtml Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 do not archive ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:28 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > Here's the 24 thousand dollar question... Can a set of > RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ? If so, what > differences and/or changes must be made to accommodate said > cross-breeding. > > ...well since you asked; I've ended up with an RV-4 > fuselage & emp and I'm probably going to purchase a set of > RV-6 wings. Soooo.... > > Chuck Chuck, Of course they can be mated, it will just require sawing off the inboard foot of each spar and living with about a 21 foot wingspan. None of the bolt holes will mate, and the stall speed will be higher. The aileron belcrank system will be different, but the fuel capacity will be higher. Those are only the things I can think of offhand. Other than that, no problem:>) Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 432 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:55 PM PST US From: "GMC" Subject: RE: RV-List: Lycoming S/B --> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" Hi Mark Try http://www.prime-mover.org/Aviation/Manuf.html George in Langley --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Anyone got a copy of or link to Lycoming Service Bulletin SB 527C dated 4/18/97? This was about those pesky piston pins. It's not on Lycoming's website (not too popular, I guess...) Thanks! Mark - #@$%&! paperwork! do not archive ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:29 PM PST US From: "Cammie Patch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" You'd have the first RV-5 Cammie Big fan of really corny jokes. --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Okay Guys & Gals, Here's the 24 thousand dollar question... Can a set of RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ? If so, what differences and/or changes must be made to accommodate said cross-breeding. ...well since you asked; I've ended up with an RV-4 fuselage & emp and I'm probably going to purchase a set of RV-6 wings. Soooo.... Chuck do not archive ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:18 PM PST US From: "Jim Bower" Subject: Re: RV-List: Strobe lights --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Bower" The Whelan guy at Oshkosh told me they are good for about 5 years. >From: Scott Bilinski >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Strobe lights >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:34:16 -0800 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > >I read that storage/non use is not good for strobe units............I think >that was on the Aero-electric list might want to verify. > > >At 11:55 AM 1/19/04 -0500, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter > > > >List, > >Strobeguy has the Whelen 4 strobe 90 watt system on sale right now for > >249.99. Is this a good price? Good enough to buy now and store for about > >a year? > > > >Here's the URL: http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/70/2046.htm?359 > > > >Thanks! > > > >-- > >Randy Richter > >richterrbb@earthlink.net > >-7QB Kit in hibernation > > > > > > >Scott Bilinski >Eng dept 305 >Phone (858) 657-2536 >Pager (858) 502-5190 >do not archive > > Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:01 PM PST US From: Brian Kraut Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Kraut I was hanging upside down by my seatbelt in a KR2 one month ago when it caught on fire (long story). By some miracle my canopy either broke when the plane went inverted or ripped off on my way down into the woods. I got ten feet from the plane and looked back at a fireball 30' high. I will not build another plane without a quick release five point seatbelt and a cable to pull the canopy hinge pins like the 152 Aerobat has on the doors. Give yourself every possible chance to get out fast if you have to. I never thought I would need to either. -----Original Message----- From: John.Morrissey@csiro.au Subject: RE: RV-List: Ditching an RV --> RV-List message posted by: Your not talking about carrying weapons on your aircraft are you :-) Seriously the hardest part would be holding your breath long enough while hanging upside down in dirty water to break a big enough hole to get out.... Cheers John ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:35 PM PST US From: Kai Schumann Subject: Re: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? --> RV-List message posted by: Kai Schumann I've tried dying UHMW before and it does not work. (RIT dye works great for nylon though). I ended up making the part out of black Delrin instead. It is a very nice, smooth machining (unlike UHMW) engineering plastic that can be had at most plastic suppliers. Comes in black or white. Kai --- Curt Reimer wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" > > > One trick that I know of for nylon parts is to buy > some RIT fabric dye, mix > it up, and simmer the parts in the dye mixture for > 10 minutes or so. You > could dye it to match your paint scheme. > > Haven't tried this on UHMW though. > > Curt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "thomas a. sargent" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Can UHMW plastic block be painted? > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" > > > > > I was just mounting the UHMW block for the canopy > handle in my tip-up > > canopy and noticed how the white plastic stands > out againt the paint > > I've chosen for the interior. Has any one tried > painting the UHMW? My > > guess is nothing would stick to it. > > -- > > Tom Sargent - RV-6A > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:18 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? --> RV-List message posted by: Actually, I think that would make him #2, as I recall an contraption that Vans called RV-5. It was shown and described in Vans Calendar (April, 1997) do not archive --> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" You'd have the first RV-5 Cammie Big fan of really corny jokes. --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Okay Guys & Gals, Here's the 24 thousand dollar question... Can a set of RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ? If so, what differences and/or changes must be made to accommodate said cross-breeding. ...well since you asked; I've ended up with an RV-4 fuselage & emp and I'm probably going to purchase a set of RV-6 wings. Soooo.... Chuck do not archive ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:09 PM PST US From: Knicholas2@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming S/B --> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com In a message dated 1/20/2004 3:58:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, Fiveonepw@aol.com writes: Anyone got a copy of or link to Lycoming Service Bulletin SB 527C dated 4/18/97? This was about those pesky piston pins If you can't find it, give Lycoming a call. I needed a service instruction on pre-oiling yesterday and they faxed it to me 1/2 hour later. Kim Nicholas RV9A - getting very close..... ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:34 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Cours > >Hi, everyone - > >Part of the checklist I learned for forced landings in a Skyhawk is to >pop open a door on short final, in case a crash bends the airframe and >jams the doors shut. Would the same idea be useful for an RV with a >slider canopy -- if you're about to make a forced landing, pop the >canopy latch on short final? It sounds like the airspeeds would be low >enough to let you safely do that. What's not clear to me is whether the >canopy of the RV-8 that ditched was a tilt-up or a slider, and, if it >was a slider, whether water pressure interfered with releasing the latch >or the impact jammed the sliders. > >- Jeff C. > I think the canopy would just slam forward again when the plane's wheels dug into the water, unless you had some way to prevent the canopy from coming forward. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:27 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Can the RV-6 wings be mated to an RV-4 fuselage ??? --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Actually it would be the 2nd one. ;-) Van did **one**. Looked kinda strange as I recall. Might have even be a {gasp} "high wing" ... just kidding on the gasp folks. Something about some new concept that didn't pan out IIRC. If there are those here that have the facts more "correct", please correct me. James {SNIP} > > You'd have the first RV-5 > > Cammie > Big fan of really corny jokes. > {SNIP} > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:38 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Kevin Horton wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Cours >> >>Hi, everyone - >> >>Part of the checklist I learned for forced landings in a Skyhawk is to >>pop open a door on short final, in case a crash bends the airframe and >>jams the doors shut. Would the same idea be useful for an RV with a >>slider canopy -- if you're about to make a forced landing, pop the >>canopy latch on short final? It sounds like the airspeeds would be low >>enough to let you safely do that. What's not clear to me is whether the >>canopy of the RV-8 that ditched was a tilt-up or a slider, and, if it >>was a slider, whether water pressure interfered with releasing the latch >>or the impact jammed the sliders. >> >>- Jeff C. >> >> >> > >I think the canopy would just slam forward again when the plane's >wheels dug into the water, unless you had some way to prevent the >canopy from coming forward. > > This has been discussed on my Grumman Gang. Some have slit a length of PVC pipe so it rests on the canopy rails, preventing closure. In a real pinch you can lay your headset over the rail and the canopy will only close the width of the headband. Linn ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:12 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: RV-List: Aerodynamics of propulsion --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Who was the first guy who was asking about this book. Sorry I deleted the name and email address. Then I think I found one.... Phil ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:42 PM PST US From: "Dave Ford" Subject: RV-List: Another first flight RV6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" Four and a half years ago it was started and today it flew its maiden flight. N516D was given its pink slip January 9, 2004 Can hardly believe it really happened. No problems whatsoever just a nervous pilot but Mike Seager's training really helped. This is a slow build RV6 with Lycoming O360A1A and FADEC added. Today was the best day we've had for a while with clear skies and calm winds so it was perfect for a first flight. Rolling down the runway lifting off into calm cool air, staying around the airport at full throttle breaking in this engine, no problems, did a couple stalls, returned to airport for first landing, no problem. Looking forward to more flights. Thanks everybody on this list for all your answers. Dave Ford RV6 N516D flying! ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:50 PM PST US From: "Gabe A Ferrer" Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking --> RV-List message posted by: "Gabe A Ferrer" My starbord leg fairing tabs break after about 8 landings. I've also had the port tabs break but not as often. There are two tabs on top of each leg fairing. They, and the leg fairings, were made from fiberglass. I'd appreciate any advice on how to correct this problem. Thanks Gabe A Ferrer RV6 N2GX 99 hours South Florida Email: ferrergm@bellsouth.net Cell: 561 758 8894 Night Phone: 561 622 0960 Fax: 561 622 0960 ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:33 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: big tail, little tail --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Although the big tail Stinson had a much bigger vertical fin (almost 6 sq ftmore), the rudder was actually only 6 sq inches bigger so it didn't have much more rudder but a LOT more tendency to weathervane. In 30+ years of flying my small tail Stinson (165 hp), I ran out of rudder once, but it was on takeoff not landing. If you've got a crosswind, you want it from the right for takeoff because you're already using most of the rudder to counter the torque and there ain't much left for weathervaning (sp) caused by a left crosswind. Most taildraggers will handle crosswinds just a well as their nose wheel counterparts - depending on whether the pilot has bothered to learn how to fly the airplane, but most of today's pilots will never know because they won't try. There's nothing magic about flying a tailwheel airplane - just another skill to learn. Dave -6, So Cal EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor do not archive Gordon and Marge wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier, >Vincent A >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: big tail, little tail > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > >This thread got me thinking about the differences between the big tailed >Stinson 108-3 and the small tailed Stinson 108-1 that I own. Both are >tailwheel for those who might not know. > >I've never noticed actually running out of rudder with either one. I >think the big tail was done so you could take extended naps on >crosscountry flights as the big tailed Stinsons are very stable. Or >maybe for floats??? > > >Vince > >Vince: My recollection from the time is that Stinson built the large >tail in anticipation of the installation of a larger engine, perhaps a >190 Lyc, that never came to pass. Production ended before the change >could be made. > >Gordon Comfort >N363GC > > > > ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:17 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > My starbord leg fairing tabs break after about 8 landings. > I've also had the port tabs break but not as often. There are > two tabs on top of each leg fairing. They, and the leg > fairings, were made from fiberglass. I'd appreciate any > advice on how to correct this problem. Thanks Gabe A Ferrer > RV6 N2GX 99 hours South Florida Gabe, Is it possible that the fairings are a bit too long? If they are sort of wedged at the bottom, they might be getting crowded as the gear flex. I had a similar problem with the nose gear fairing on mine the first few hours. It looked like there was clearance, but what I couldn't see was the geometry as the gear flexed. I had to trim it a bit. Look at the lower end of the fairings, and see if there is any evidence of stress there. Additionally, I built up under those tabs so that their radius would match the gear where they were clamped. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 432 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV From: Christopher J Fortin --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher J Fortin This is what Vans told me about jettisoning the canopy. Forwarded by: "Support" Forwarded to: tomg Date forwarded: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:04:20 -0800 Date sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:58:32 -0500 Subject: Canopy jettisoning From: Christopher J Fortin I've been monitoring a "big debate" lately on the Matronics RV list and wondered if you could answer a couple questions. There seems to be a consensus that you might not be able to open the canopy in flight and exit the aircraft in the case of an emergency. Everyone on the list seems to have an opinion on this, and I would like to go to a legitimate source for the answer. I'm interested in details for the RV-8 in this respect. 1) Can the RV-8 be flown with the canopy open? Certainly not above 80 or 90 mph, and not any more open that a few inches.... it would depart if opened more... we DON'T want people to open the canopy in flight 2) Can the canopy be released and slid back during flight? IE- An emergency requiring exiting the aircraft. Sliding it back will 'depart it' .... DON'T unless you are exiting the aircraft soon afterward... Van's Thanks, Chris Fortin N813CJ reserved Do not archive ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:18 PM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: Another first flight RV6 --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Congratulations Dave!!! Getting close here. Richard Dudley Dave Ford wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" > > Four and a half years ago it was started and today it flew its maiden flight. N516D was given its pink slip January 9, 2004 Can hardly believe it really happened. No problems whatsoever just a nervous pilot but Mike Seager's training really helped. This is a slow build RV6 with Lycoming O360A1A and FADEC added. Today was the best day we've had for a while with clear skies and calm winds so it was perfect for a first flight. Rolling down the runway lifting off into calm cool air, staying around the airport at full throttle breaking in this engine, no problems, did a couple stalls, returned to airport for first landing, no problem. Looking forward to more flights. Thanks everybody on this list for all your answers. > > Dave Ford > RV6 N516D flying! > ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:18 PM PST US From: WPAerial@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Another first flight RV6 --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com good goin dave where do u live jerryt wilken 6a n699wp albany oregon ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:02 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: Re: RV-List: Another first flight RV6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" Congrats! Send some pics. Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ford" Subject: RV-List: Another first flight RV6 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" > > Four and a half years ago it was started and today it flew its maiden flight. N516D was given its pink slip January 9, 2004 Can hardly believe it really happened. No problems whatsoever just a nervous pilot but Mike Seager's training really helped. This is a slow build RV6 with Lycoming O360A1A and FADEC added. Today was the best day we've had for a while with clear skies and calm winds so it was perfect for a first flight. Rolling down the runway lifting off into calm cool air, staying around the airport at full throttle breaking in this engine, no problems, did a couple stalls, returned to airport for first landing, no problem. Looking forward to more flights. Thanks everybody on this list for all your answers. > > Dave Ford > RV6 N516D flying! > >