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1. 12:40 AM - Cross Winds (Ronschreck99@aol.com)
2. 03:12 AM - Crash and Recover (Jim Nolan)
3. 06:37 AM - Re: Crosswing landing, Crash and Recover (RV_8 Pilot)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: Cross Winds (Pat Perry)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: Ditching an RV (Ed Perry)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking (Ken Harrill)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Lycoming S/B (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: Another first flight RV6 (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
9. 12:29 PM - Performance Chart (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
10. 01:16 PM - Re: Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking (WPAerial@aol.com)
11. 01:24 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Eric Whiteside)
12. 02:21 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Will & Lynda Allen)
13. 02:36 PM - Re: Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking (Stein Bruch)
14. 03:23 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Pat Hatch)
15. 03:28 PM - Power chart O-320 (Cessna150Guy)
16. 03:45 PM - Re: Crash and Recover (Doug Rozendaal)
17. 03:47 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
18. 04:16 PM - Re: Aerodynamics of propulsion (Gordon and Marge)
19. 04:23 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Terry Watson)
20. 04:31 PM - Lord vs. Barry........... (Gert)
21. 04:59 PM - Re: Lord vs. Barry........... (Harvey Sigmon)
22. 05:21 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Larry Bowen)
23. 06:34 PM - Re: Dynon Remote compass Module Location in RV-8 (Don Diehl)
24. 07:01 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Jason Sneed)
25. 07:04 PM - Re: Dynon Remote compass Module Location in RV-8 (Sam Buchanan)
26. 07:04 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Jason Sneed)
27. 07:07 PM - Re: Lord vs. Barry........... (Gert)
28. 07:18 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Alex Peterson)
29. 08:34 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Patty & Dan Krueger)
30. 09:15 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Pat Hatch)
31. 09:58 PM - Re: -8A in FL last weekend? (Jay)
32. 11:00 PM - Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A (Karie Daniel)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/20/04 7:45:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Ronschreck99@aol.com writes:
>
>
> > Glen, It has nothing to do with nose/tailwheel in the case of the RV's
and
> > others that have a castering nosewheel. In a crosswind you only have
rudder
> > and
> > brakes to keep you on the runway after touchdown, same as the tailwheel
> > crowd.
> >
> > Ron Schreck
> >
>
> Yes Ron. But, the airplane isn't also trying to swap ends because of the
> relationship of the center of mass to the landing gear placement.
> Dale Ensing
> do not archive
>
Well, the airplane is always trying to swap ends with a taildragger, I don't
think that is a bigger factor in a crosswind. What may be a factor on the
ground is that the lever arm from the tail to the pivot point (main gear) is
longer with the taildragger, so the wind has more leverage on the tail.
Offsetting this is that the taildragger has brakes and steering, rather than
just brakes.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
Not nervous about crosswinds with my taildragger
Dale & Larry,
All good points. Larry, remember that while the wind has more leverage
on the tail of a taildragger, the rudder also has more leverage to counteract
the wind effects.
Ron Schreck
Gold Hill, NC
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| Subject: | Crash and Recover |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" <jamespnolan@earthlink.net>
Doug,
I responded to a e-mail regarding the crosswind capabilities of a
tailwheel RV. I can't speak for anything other than a RV4.
The 25kt. direct was constant with no gusts at Goshen a few years ago. I
know the speed because I called unicom and asked. The plane impresses me
yet. I believe from experience that 25kts is the very limit of an RV4 being
held straight down the runway during landing.
The 25kt cross wind refers to the capability of the airplane, not the
capability of the pilot.
Each person flying will set the crosswind limitations of their own
airplane. When I first started flying my RV4 the limitation was 5kts. I flew
for years never landing on the active at Warsaw, why land into the wind when
you can build experience landing in a cross wind.
As far as doing this every day for fun, da. The knowledge of the planes
capabilities will enhance the effort of the pilot to increase his
capabilities...
Jim Nolan
N444JN
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| Subject: | Crosswing landing, Crash and Recover |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Jim -
Sounds like you and I may be afflicted with the same condition... enjoying
the challenge of a good crosswind landing! A one-wheel greaser in a
managable crosswind can be lots of fun. In my Cub, with the right wind and
runway conditions, it's fun to add a little power and roll out on one wheel
to the turn off (then put it down on all three for the turn of course).
Bryan Jones -8
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
Houston, Texas
do not archive
> As far as doing this every day for fun, da. The knowledge of the
>planes
>capabilities will enhance the effort of the pilot to increase his
>capabilities...
>Jim Nolan
>N444JN
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
Because of the forward placement of the gear on a taildragger you will also
have the center of mass (not just the CG but the three dimentional center
after you add in weight thrust and drag) of the aircraft working against
you. With a nose gear you have the center of weight of the aircraft working
for you.
The center of mass is behind the runnway contact point of the gear on the
taildragger so it works like pushing your childs tricycle backwords. The
center of mass on a nose gear is forward of the runnway contact point so the
gear follows the pull of the weight of the plane and will castor somewhat to
the direction of travel similar to pushing that same tricycle the right way.
Fortunatly RV's are low wing so the center of weight is lower to the ground
than a high wing Tail Dragger which will have a tendancy to swerve and lean
if it hits the runnway crabbed.
I watched a Cessna 140 get destroyed on a landing when the pilot came in
with a slight tailwind and a little fast. He made a nice tail high gear
landing but got just a little sloppy on the rollout. With the tail high the
plane started to swerve and lean, going into the second cycle the
lean/swerve angle was hard enough that the outside main gear collapsed under
the plane dropping it onto the wing and it slid off the runnway.
I'm not nervous about crosswinds, I'm cautious about them.
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>From: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Cross Winds
>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:36:28 EST
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 1/20/04 7:45:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > Ronschreck99@aol.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Glen, It has nothing to do with nose/tailwheel in the case of the RV's
>and
> > > others that have a castering nosewheel. In a crosswind you only have
>rudder
> > > and
> > > brakes to keep you on the runway after touchdown, same as the
>tailwheel
> > > crowd.
> > >
> > > Ron Schreck
> > >
> >
> > Yes Ron. But, the airplane isn't also trying to swap ends because of the
> > relationship of the center of mass to the landing gear placement.
> > Dale Ensing
> > do not archive
> >
>
>Well, the airplane is always trying to swap ends with a taildragger, I
>don't
>think that is a bigger factor in a crosswind. What may be a factor on the
>ground is that the lever arm from the tail to the pivot point (main gear)
>is
>longer with the taildragger, so the wind has more leverage on the tail.
>Offsetting this is that the taildragger has brakes and steering, rather
>than
>just brakes.
>
>Larry Pardue
>Carlsbad, NM
>
>Not nervous about crosswinds with my taildragger
>Dale & Larry,
> All good points. Larry, remember that while the wind has more
>leverage
>on the tail of a taildragger, the rudder also has more leverage to
>counteract
>the wind effects.
>
>Ron Schreck
>Gold Hill, NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ditching an RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" <eperry@san.rr.com>
I have not been monitoring this thread but happened to read this one so I
don't know if this has been covered already...Here is my experience and set
up.
1) RV-8 with the standard screws and lock nuts holding the rollers on the
canopy frame.
2) Departed with the canopy not latched shut. When I got airborne I heard
the noise and immediately tried to latch it shut, but could not get it. As I
passed through 100knots the canopy came open about 1/4" at the most so I
held pressure to keep it closed until I got more altitude and could play
with it. I kept the speed to about 100kts and slowly reduced pressure on the
handle to see which way the canopy would go on its own. Turns out that it
stayed right were it was. I even tried to help it open and had to put a
whole bunch of effort into it. In fact I had to slow to 80kts to open it
slightly so I could push it forward hard enough to engage the latch.
3) So my experience is that there is positive pressure on the back of the
canopy, verified by the airflow from the rear of the cockpit, and that at
cruise speeds I don't think you are likely to be able to slide the canopy
back to get out. I have since been looking at installing the quick release
pins but have not found any that I like yet.
4) YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY -
If you have any specific questions let me know...
Ed Perry
RV-8 180/CS
130hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher J Fortin" <cjfortin@juno.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ditching an RV
> --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher J Fortin <cjfortin@juno.com>
>
> This is what Vans told me about jettisoning the canopy.
>
>
> Forwarded by: "Support" <support>
> Forwarded to: tomg
> Date forwarded: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:04:20 -0800
> To: info@vansaircraft.com
> Date sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:58:32 -0500
> Subject: Canopy jettisoning
> From: Christopher J Fortin <cjfortin@juno.com>
>
> I've been monitoring a "big debate" lately on the Matronics RV list and
> wondered if you could answer a couple questions. There seems to be a
> consensus that you might not be able to open the canopy in flight and
> exit the aircraft in the case of an emergency. Everyone on the list seems
> to have an opinion on this, and I would like to go to a legitimate source
> for the answer.
>
> I'm interested in details for the RV-8 in this respect.
>
> 1) Can the RV-8 be flown with the canopy open?
>
> Certainly not above 80 or 90 mph, and not any more open that a
> few inches.... it would depart if opened more... we DON'T want
> people to open the canopy in flight
>
> 2) Can the canopy be released and slid back during flight? IE- An
> emergency requiring exiting the aircraft.
>
> Sliding it back will 'depart it' .... DON'T unless you are exiting the
> aircraft soon afterward...
>
> Van's
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Fortin
> N813CJ reserved
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Harrill <KHarrill@osa.state.sc.us>
Gabe,
I had this problem to a lesser degree. I also had the problem of the
fairing walking down the gear leg. Finally after a several repairs, I just
cut off the bottom/ inboard tab and reinforced the top one with several
layers of fiberglass/epoxy. That was probably 150 hours ago and I have
experienced no problems since. But, I expect that the gear fairings will
be an ongoing maintenance issue to some extent.
Ken Harrill
RV-6, 300 hours
Columbia, SC
-----Original Message-----
From: Gabe A Ferrer [mailto:ferrergm@bellsouth.net]
Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gabe A Ferrer" <ferrergm@bellsouth.net>
My starbord leg fairing tabs break after about 8 landings. I've also had the
port tabs break but not as often.
There are two tabs on top of each leg fairing. They, and the leg fairings,
were made from fiberglass.
I'd appreciate any advice on how to correct this problem.
Thanks
Gabe A Ferrer
RV6 N2GX 99 hours
South Florida
Email: ferrergm@bellsouth.net
Cell: 561 758 8894
Night Phone: 561 622 0960
Fax: 561 622 0960
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming S/B |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 1/20/04 4:44:33 PM Central Standard Time,
gmcnutt@intergate.ca writes:
> Try http://www.prime-mover.org/Aviation/Manuf.html
Thanks, George- great resource! Wish they'd update it, though....
Mark - I'll archive this for Lycoming Service Bulletins Instructions Letters
SB SI SL
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight RV6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Waytafreakin'goDAVE!
Be careful up there, give us the #s & hope to be able to say the same
soon......
Mark - do not archive
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| Subject: | Performance Chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Howdy agin-
Anybody got a copy of the performance chart for a 150 hp engine? (E3D would
be cool!) My POH came with one for an O-360 & that's all I've been able to
google or archive up! (Thanks, Chris Good!!)
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
the leg gear fairings have kept mine in place since they broke. So i go with
out the tab.
do not archive
jerry wilken
RV6A - 197 hours
just finished first annual everything is still good.
albany oregon
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| Subject: | RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Whiteside" <erwhites@bellsouth.net>
Speaking of caps leaking,...
I had an experience a couple of days ago that puzzled/concerned me:
RV6 sat out overnight and rains passed thru. Next morning I sumped
the tanks - no water found. Then taxied across airport (about 10
minutes) and topped off at FBO. Plane sat a couple of hours, I sumped
tanks again (no water), and flew home for about 1.5 hours, using both tanks.
Topped off fuel and put plane in hanger. Next afternoon, before flying,
sumped
and got about half a cup of water out of each tank. I am pretty confident
that I didn't get the water with either FBO's fuel. That would mean it
leaked in thru the caps (no surprise there) and took 24-48 hours with lots
of shaking and vibrating to find its way to the lowest point in the tanks.
Very sobering - there was more than enough water to fail the engine in
flight,
had it reached the carb. (Surprisingly, there was no water in the
gascolator.)
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Denk
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Need to tighten up my filler caps because they are leaking with full
>tanks, one worse than the other. Tried to tighten the nut on the back
>but am afraid of shearing the pin off. Any ideas?
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
Scott,
I have one cap that seeps fuel when full, and the other one never does. It
may have something to do with the filler necks too. There is a fine line
between sealing, and going overboard and snapping the pin. Are you lubing
the O-rings/cap parts with fuel lube? I goop them pretty good and it helps
the whole assembly work with more torque on the nut than possible if left
dry. O rings can also be less than perfect right from the get go. A local
industrial seal and fitting store might have viton rings the right size to
try out.
Brian Denk
Rv8 N94BD
RV10 51
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
We had a similar thing happen in our float plane at the club I fly at. Water
was not showing up in the initial pre-flights and we check it very carefully
because, for weight reasons, we don't keep the tanks full. Ended up having
an engine out but luckily it was right over Lake Sammamish so there was no
incident. After standing on the floats and draining water for about 30
minutes from the strainer the plane started and was fine, of course, they
flew back to Lake Washington with extra altitude in case. Needless to say,
when flying the float plane, after launching it into the water I now rock
the wings a bit and then do another fuel check, since before obviously
wasn't careful enough ;). It was later determined that the fuel caps were
leaking when we had the extra heavy rains and replaced them.
With the float plane, we have the issue of the attitude the plane sits when
on the ground as apposed to when it's in the water. Which makes me wonder,
are the lowest points in the RV tanks the same whether it's a tricycle or
tail wheel? And if so, are the drains placed differently depending on what
you're building. I guess I'm only a few months from my tanks so I'm assuming
I'll find out at that point.
-Will Allen
North Bend, Wa
Rv8 wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Whiteside
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Whiteside" <erwhites@bellsouth.net>
Speaking of caps leaking,...
I had an experience a couple of days ago that puzzled/concerned me:
RV6 sat out overnight and rains passed thru. Next morning I sumped
the tanks - no water found. Then taxied across airport (about 10
minutes) and topped off at FBO. Plane sat a couple of hours, I sumped
tanks again (no water), and flew home for about 1.5 hours, using both tanks.
Topped off fuel and put plane in hanger. Next afternoon, before flying,
sumped
and got about half a cup of water out of each tank. I am pretty confident
that I didn't get the water with either FBO's fuel. That would mean it
leaked in thru the caps (no surprise there) and took 24-48 hours with lots
of shaking and vibrating to find its way to the lowest point in the tanks.
Very sobering - there was more than enough water to fail the engine in
flight,
had it reached the carb. (Surprisingly, there was no water in the
gascolator.)
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Denk
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Need to tighten up my filler caps because they are leaking with full
>tanks, one worse than the other. Tried to tighten the nut on the back
>but am afraid of shearing the pin off. Any ideas?
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
Scott,
I have one cap that seeps fuel when full, and the other one never does. It
may have something to do with the filler necks too. There is a fine line
between sealing, and going overboard and snapping the pin. Are you lubing
the O-rings/cap parts with fuel lube? I goop them pretty good and it helps
the whole assembly work with more torque on the nut than possible if left
dry. O rings can also be less than perfect right from the get go. A local
industrial seal and fitting store might have viton rings the right size to
try out.
Brian Denk
Rv8 N94BD
RV10 51
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
My right gear leg fairing tab just broke last weekend. Been fine for
200hrs, but flew for a couple hours with no intersection fairings and it
broke. Since I'm mounting skis on it anyway, I went ahead and took them off
for the rest of the winter. She's not going to be a speed demon on skis
with our without the fairings anyway!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of WPAerial@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass Leg Fairing Tabs Breaking
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
the leg gear fairings have kept mine in place since they broke. So i go with
out the tab.
do not archive
jerry wilken
RV6A - 197 hours
just finished first annual everything is still good.
albany oregon
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Eric,
Not had your experience, but I would suggest to anyone flying crosscountry
in an RV to tape up their fuel tanks at night. I carry a roll of aluminum
tape with me for this purpose. I think it is pretty much accepted that
these fuel caps will leak water into the tank in a heavy rain. I belive the
water enters through the center of the cap and not around the O rings. Glad
to hear you made it OK.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Whiteside" <erwhites@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Whiteside" <erwhites@bellsouth.net>
>
> sumped
> and got about half a cup of water out of each tank.
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| Subject: | Power chart O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cessna150Guy" <Cessna150Guy@cox.net>
If anyone could help me out I would GREATLY appreciate it! I=92m looking for
a power chart for the Lyc O-320 (160 hp). What I really need is something I
can print out and bring with me in the cockpit in order to use for reference
for M.P./RPM settings. I would appreciate anything you could send me.
E-mail it to me offline if you want.
Thanks in advance=85
Travis
--
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| Subject: | Re: Crash and Recover |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Jim,
My email was not intended to point any finger at you, quite the opposite, I
was pointing the finger at myself, because I have landed, just because I
can, and to stay "sharp" in ridiculous x-winds. This is when other runways
were available. Your story merely reminded me of the day I coined the
phrase, "crash and recover."
I was flying into Milford Iowa one day. There is no AWOS there, but the
windsock was erect and directly x-wind. Winds in surrounding towns were well
over 20kts. The runway is fairly narrow, but the good news is it is short
too ;-) There are buildings on the south side of the strip that make
mechanical turbulence and so the wind was boiling. There is a short grass
strip directly into the wind, but it is a long taxi and so I said to myself,
"self, try it on the pavement, "for a good challenge," and if that doesn't
work, go around and land on the grass."
Well after all the tire barking and gear crow hopping was over, I realized
that I had far exceeded the capability of the airplane and in short, I had
done a "crash and recover." I never lost directional control, even for an
instant. I was traveling down the center of the runway, but that is not
where I was pointed all the time. I was often at the limit of rudder, and
aileron, with a few well placed jabs of power, but if anything else, blown
tire, loose gravel, pothole, would have gone wrong, I would have balled it
up. What is unsettling is the realization that I did not give up! I
should have went around. When I was out of rudder and aileron, All I had to
do was add thrust, and I would have had all the rudder I needed to easily go
around.
Any certified airplane has a max demonstrated Crosswind limit. Does that
mean that is cannot be landed successfully above that limit? Heck no. It
has a Max gross weight too, but it will certainly fly far in excess of that
weight. Does that mean we should fly it there, "to stay sharp?"
Limits are meant to leave margins. Certainly crosswind limits are more
pilot dependent than gross weight limitations, but when the controls reach
their limits, the pilot can quickly become a passenger on a wild ride.
Please don't take this as telling you what to do, just a admission of guilt
on my part.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal.
20 Knots is now "my" limit, everything else has to be just right, and that
is probably too high.
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| Subject: | RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Yup.
Leaving LAL last weekend.
Exactly as you described. Flew on left tank 8 gal, flew on right tank 8
gallons in moderate to the occasional head into canopy turbulence,
switched to left and the engine quit.
Landed, sumpped left tank and had about 2 bottle caps full. Zero in the
gascolator. I am now convinced water does not settle out to bottom of
gascolator as the fuel flows.
One difference is that before I left LAL, I not only sumpped the tanks
twice, but I also lean on a wing tip at the spar and shake the plane
harshly. Yet still, the turbulence found some more water which shut the
engine down in flight. Michelle (in right seat) was not happy and stayed
pretty white and flush for the rest of the trip.
My next plane does not get a gascolator.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Whiteside
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Whiteside" <erwhites@bellsouth.net>
Speaking of caps leaking,...
I had an experience a couple of days ago that puzzled/concerned me:
RV6 sat out overnight and rains passed thru. Next morning I sumped
the tanks - no water found. Then taxied across airport (about 10
minutes) and topped off at FBO. Plane sat a couple of hours, I sumped
tanks again (no water), and flew home for about 1.5 hours, using both
tanks.
Topped off fuel and put plane in hanger. Next afternoon, before flying,
sumped
and got about half a cup of water out of each tank. I am pretty
confident
that I didn't get the water with either FBO's fuel. That would mean it
leaked in thru the caps (no surprise there) and took 24-48 hours with
lots
of shaking and vibrating to find its way to the lowest point in the
tanks.
Very sobering - there was more than enough water to fail the engine in
flight,
had it reached the carb. (Surprisingly, there was no water in the
gascolator.)
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Denk
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Need to tighten up my filler caps because they are leaking with full
>tanks, one worse than the other. Tried to tighten the nut on the back
>but am afraid of shearing the pin off. Any ideas?
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
Scott,
I have one cap that seeps fuel when full, and the other one never does.
It
may have something to do with the filler necks too. There is a fine
line
between sealing, and going overboard and snapping the pin. Are you
lubing
the O-rings/cap parts with fuel lube? I goop them pretty good and it
helps
the whole assembly work with more torque on the nut than possible if
left
dry. O rings can also be less than perfect right from the get go. A
local
industrial seal and fitting store might have viton rings the right size
to
try out.
Brian Denk
Rv8 N94BD
RV10 51
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Aerodynamics of propulsion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Sisson,
Litchfield Aerobatic Club
Subject: RV-List: Aerodynamics of propulsion
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
--> <sisson@consolidated.net>
Who was the first guy who was asking about this book. Sorry I deleted
the name and email address. Then I think I found one....
Phil
Phil: I think I was the first to ask about the book and I believe I
have one en route. Charlie England also expressed an interest. Thank
you for the note.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
I read an article somewhere that said that water can remain in suspension in
the fuel for some time, so you could check the sumps and find them free of
water after a fill-up and yet find water in them some time later, even
without rain. I have no experience to confirm or deny it.
Terry
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| Subject: | Lord vs. Barry........... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Hi Folks
I am at that stage where I have to start thinking about hanging the engine.
Anybody flying with Barry shock mounts??
good, bad, indifferent as compared with the Lord shock mounts Van's sells??
Thanks in advance
Gert
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| Subject: | Re: Lord vs. Barry........... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" <rv6hes@comcast.net>
Gert: My experience with the different type mount has been the Lord mounts
are the only kind to buy. My last RV I had used Lord Mounts after 600
hours no sag. My present mount I installed from Van's about 50 hours ago
have already began to sag approx 3/8" The ones I bought from Van's were not
Lords, but made by some company in California. Other people have had
similar problem with sagging. Lords cost more but I would not buy anything
else. My opinion only.
Harvey Sigmon RV-6A N602-RV 300 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gert" <gert@execpc.com>
Subject: RV-List: Lord vs. Barry...........
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>
> Hi Folks
>
> I am at that stage where I have to start thinking about hanging the
engine.
>
> Anybody flying with Barry shock mounts??
>
> good, bad, indifferent as compared with the Lord shock mounts Van's
sells??
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Gert
> --
> is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
>
>
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| Subject: | RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Next time you'll replace the gascolator with something else, or just not
use one, or ....? Which brand gascolator was it? Did you ask it's
manufacturer why this might have happened? Etc, etc...
Thanks,
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 , FWF (with gascolator)
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) [mailto:mstewart@iss.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:07 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> --> <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> Yup.
> Leaving LAL last weekend.
> Exactly as you described. Flew on left tank 8 gal, flew on
> right tank 8 gallons in moderate to the occasional head into
> canopy turbulence, switched to left and the engine quit.
> Landed, sumpped left tank and had about 2 bottle caps full.
> Zero in the gascolator. I am now convinced water does not
> settle out to bottom of gascolator as the fuel flows.
>
> One difference is that before I left LAL, I not only sumpped
> the tanks twice, but I also lean on a wing tip at the spar
> and shake the plane harshly. Yet still, the turbulence found
> some more water which shut the engine down in flight.
> Michelle (in right seat) was not happy and stayed pretty
> white and flush for the rest of the trip.
>
> My next plane does not get a gascolator.
> Mike
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Remote compass Module Location in RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Don Diehl <diehldon@comcast.net>
> I'm installing a Dynon in my RV-8. What is the best place to mount the
> remote compass module? I was thinking back in the tail under the
> vertical stab. Does this make sense?
I had mounted the magnetometer as you suggested, in the tail, under the
vertical stab.
When the good folks from Dynon looked over my installation they advised
me that neither
the magnetometer nor its connector are waterproof. So I made an
L-shaped bracket to
mount it to the bottom of a mid-fuselage bulkhead. Works fine.
Don Diehl
Bremerton WA
RV-4, N28EW
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed <jasons@fnbt.com>
Any problem with the aluminum tape taking off the paint? I wonder if
there is a better type of tape for this issue. By the way, just for
input I have a 6 and is has been rained on all day before and I have
never found water in my tanks. I wonder if there is more that one type
of fuel cap? Thanks for the info though, If I get rained on I will
start paying better attention.
On Jan 21, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Pat Hatch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
> Eric,
>
> Not had your experience, but I would suggest to anyone flying
> crosscountry
> in an RV to tape up their fuel tanks at night. I carry a roll of
> aluminum
> tape with me for this purpose. I think it is pretty much accepted that
> these fuel caps will leak water into the tank in a heavy rain. I
> belive the
> water enters through the center of the cap and not around the O rings.
> Glad
> to hear you made it OK.
>
> Pat Hatch
> RV-4
> RV-6
> RV-7 QB (Building)
> Vero Beach, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Whiteside" <erwhites@bellsouth.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Whiteside"
>> <erwhites@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> sumped
>> and got about half a cup of water out of each tank.
>
>
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> >
>
>
Jason Sneed
Commercial Lending Officer
First National Bank and Trust
850-796-2000 Ext:2341
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Remote compass Module Location in RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Don Diehl wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Don Diehl <diehldon@comcast.net>
>
>
>>I'm installing a Dynon in my RV-8. What is the best place to mount the
>>remote compass module? I was thinking back in the tail under the
>>vertical stab. Does this make sense?
>
>
> I had mounted the magnetometer as you suggested, in the tail, under the
> vertical stab.
> When the good folks from Dynon looked over my installation they advised
> me that neither
> the magnetometer nor its connector are waterproof. So I made an
> L-shaped bracket to
> mount it to the bottom of a mid-fuselage bulkhead. Works fine.
I put the magnetometer in a plastic baggie, wrapped it up tightly, then
secured it in place under the vertical stab with nylon cable ties.
Sam Buchanan (latest project, http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/stalkerv6 )
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed <n242ds@cox.net>
I just had another thought on this issue... There is rail in the tank,
I wonder if the water is getting stuck behind this rail and then
turbulence gets the water past the rail and to the sump. Any thoughts?
On Jan 21, 2004, at 7:21 PM, Larry Bowen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Next time you'll replace the gascolator with something else, or just
> not
> use one, or ....? Which brand gascolator was it? Did you ask it's
> manufacturer why this might have happened? Etc, etc...
>
> Thanks,
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8 , FWF (with gascolator)
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) [mailto:mstewart@iss.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:07 PM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
>>
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
>> --> <mstewart@iss.net>
>>
>> Yup.
>> Leaving LAL last weekend.
>> Exactly as you described. Flew on left tank 8 gal, flew on
>> right tank 8 gallons in moderate to the occasional head into
>> canopy turbulence, switched to left and the engine quit.
>> Landed, sumpped left tank and had about 2 bottle caps full.
>> Zero in the gascolator. I am now convinced water does not
>> settle out to bottom of gascolator as the fuel flows.
>>
>> One difference is that before I left LAL, I not only sumpped
>> the tanks twice, but I also lean on a wing tip at the spar
>> and shake the plane harshly. Yet still, the turbulence found
>> some more water which shut the engine down in flight.
>> Michelle (in right seat) was not happy and stayed pretty
>> white and flush for the rest of the trip.
>>
>> My next plane does not get a gascolator.
>> Mike
>> Do not archive
>
>
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>
>
Jason Sneed
Commercial Lending Officer
First National Bank and Trust
850-796-2000 Ext:2341
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| Subject: | Re: Lord vs. Barry........... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Hi Harvey
Do you remember the correct number for the Lord shock mounts.
There seems to be an astonishing aray of different 'real' lord mounts.
I was under the assumption that Van's sold 'real' lord shock mounts
Are those the 'experimental' ones found in the ACS catalog??
Gert
Harvey Sigmon wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" <rv6hes@comcast.net>
>
> Gert: My experience with the different type mount has been the Lord mounts
> are the only kind to buy. My last RV I had used Lord Mounts after 600
> hours no sag. My present mount I installed from Van's about 50 hours ago
> have already began to sag approx 3/8" The ones I bought from Van's were not
> Lords, but made by some company in California. Other people have had
> similar problem with sagging. Lords cost more but I would not buy anything
> else. My opinion only.
> Harvey Sigmon RV-6A N602-RV 300 hrs.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gert" <gert@execpc.com>
> To: <rv8list@egroups.com>; "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Lord vs. Barry...........
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>>
>>Hi Folks
>>
>>I am at that stage where I have to start thinking about hanging the
>
> engine.
>
>>Anybody flying with Barry shock mounts??
>>
>>good, bad, indifferent as compared with the Lord shock mounts Van's
>
> sells??
>
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>Gert
>>--
>>is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
> Not had your experience, but I would suggest to anyone flying
> cross-country in an RV to tape up their fuel tanks at night.
> I carry a roll of aluminum tape with me for this purpose. I
> think it is pretty much accepted that these fuel caps will
> leak water into the tank in a heavy rain. I believe the water
> enters through the center of the cap and not around the O
> rings. Glad to hear you made it OK.
Recently, I hung around when another RVer disassembled his Van's style
caps, old (early 90's) vintage. I was surprised to see that the center
o-ring was not even rubber, but some sort of rigid white stuff. Small
wonder they leaked. We goobered them up, especially the center shaft
area, with EZ Turn (the old fuel lube). I suspect that they won't leak
any more. There appear to be a lot of different versions of the caps
around. Mine had crummy plastic thrust washers for the locking lever,
which wore out in about 50 hours (Van sells SS replacements).
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 432 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: Patty & Dan Krueger <pndkrueg@mchsi.com>
On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 09:01 PM, Jason Sneed wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed <jasons@fnbt.com>
>
> Any problem with the aluminum tape taking off the paint? I wonder if
> there is a better type of tape for this issue.
Yes there is an easier way - the stickon sunshades that AOPA gives out
make a very good cover for the gas caps. Cut it in half and you have
two approx 6X6 covers for the caps that are reusable. Used them at LAL
this weekend and survived several downpours (lft tues) with no water in
the tanks. ( I got this idea off the list several years ago from a
veteran lister}
Dan Krueger
RV6A N926DK
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
The aluminum tape, also known as speed tape, won't hurt the paint if removed
carefully, and if not burnished too much when applying. Also, if left on
for several days, it still comes off easily, unlike other tapes that will
become very hard to get off cleanly.
Pat Hatch
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed <jasons@fnbt.com>
>
> Any problem with the aluminum tape taking off the paint?
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| Subject: | Re: -8A in FL last weekend? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jay <jss165@yahoo.com>
Mark,
That looks like Doug Gardners plane. He lives in Palm
Harbor, FL and is in the white pages
Jay Samonsky
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I'm trying to figure how to cut the hole for the landing gear mount. The plans
pretty much say to lay the mount in the cabin and cut to size. Well, that would
be OK if the thing would lay flush so you could trim the hole but it doesn't.
The plans page also has a "template", so it says but that's not really a template
and if it is it's only for the right side.
It's late and I probably shouldn't be cutting holes in the fuselage anyway.
Karie Daniel
RV-7A
Sammamish, WA
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