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1. 03:07 AM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Jim Sears)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: -8A in FL last weekend? (PSILeD@aol.com)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Another first flight RV6 (Charles Rowbotham)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: -8A in FL last weekend? (Scott Bilinski)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Aerodynamics of propulsion (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (kempthornes)
7. 07:18 AM - Re: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A (Patrick Kelley)
8. 08:17 AM - Re: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A (Richard Tasker)
9. 08:19 AM - Re: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A (Dean)
10. 08:20 AM - wet fuel (Wheeler North)
11. 08:23 AM - Tires (Wheeler North)
12. 08:24 AM - Trio Report (Wheeler North)
13. 08:29 AM - Dynon D-10/VAL INS422 (Wheeler North)
14. 08:32 AM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
15. 08:34 AM - RV List benefits (Wheeler North)
16. 08:42 AM - O-320 D1A Power Chart (Cessna150Guy)
17. 08:43 AM - Power chart O-320 (Donald Mei)
18. 09:32 AM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Randy Richter)
19. 10:24 AM - Egg (Genev E Reed)
20. 10:26 AM - Shimmy (austin)
21. 10:42 AM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (John Szantho)
22. 11:15 AM - Re: Shimmy (Harvey Sigmon)
23. 11:18 AM - Re: Another first flight RV6 (Lenleg@aol.com)
24. 11:26 AM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
25. 12:07 PM - Re: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A (Jim Oke)
26. 12:42 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Dean)
27. 01:03 PM - Re: RV filler caps leaking (Albert Gardner)
28. 01:19 PM - Re: Shimmy (Albert Gardner)
29. 01:41 PM - Re: Performance Chart (Bill VonDane)
30. 01:52 PM - Interchangeable Cowlings? ()
31. 04:13 PM - Re: RV List benefits (Laird Owens)
32. 04:23 PM - Re: Interchangeable Cowlings? (Ron Burnett)
33. 05:22 PM - Re: Shimmy (Alex Peterson)
34. 07:47 PM - Re: Interchangeable Cowlings? (Darwin N. Barrie)
35. 09:11 PM - Re: Trio Report (Sam Buchanan)
36. 09:47 PM - [ Steve Glasgow ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
37. 10:11 PM - [Fw: NEXUS Mustang] (Rob Prior)
38. 10:42 PM - Re: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A (Karie Daniel)
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
I've been watching this thread and found it interesting. I bought my wings
in 1992 and did get the new caps with the SS washers. However, my airplane
didn't get flown until 1999. Since then, my -6A has sat outside on the
ramp. It's been in lots of rain. To date, I get maybe a few drops in the
right tank after a couple of days of hard rain.
Maybe the success to my caps is that I bought the silicon O rings Van sells
for auto gas users. I'm betting those may stay more supple than the older
rubber rings. I've noticed they look as good today as they did when I put
them on. I do not cover my caps and don't have the problem. From time to
time, I'll squirt a little LPS-2 on the top of the cap and work it into the
shaft to prevent water penetration there. Penetration being a drop, or two.
:-)
I used to own a AA-5A Cheetah that also had flush caps. No problem there,
either. In fact, the Cheetah didn't have a gascolator. Based on my good
fortune with it, I don't have a gascolator on my RV. I've found no need for
one.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Re: -8A in FL last weekend? |
--> RV-List message posted by: PSILeD@aol.com
the plane is featured in the 6th issue 2003 RV ATOR, page 18. It is from
Florida.
Paul
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| Subject: | Another first flight RV6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Dave,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Another first flight RV6
>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:05:57 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
>
>Four and a half years ago it was started and today it flew its maiden
>flight. N516D was given its pink slip January 9, 2004 Can hardly believe
>it really happened. No problems whatsoever just a nervous pilot but Mike
>Seager's training really helped. This is a slow build RV6 with Lycoming
>O360A1A and FADEC added. Today was the best day we've had for a while with
>clear skies and calm winds so it was perfect for a first flight. Rolling
>down the runway lifting off into calm cool air, staying around the airport
>at full throttle breaking in this engine, no problems, did a couple stalls,
>returned to airport for first landing, no problem. Looking forward to more
>flights. Thanks everybody on this list for all your answers.
>
>Dave Ford
>RV6 N516D flying!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: -8A in FL last weekend? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
There is a picture of this plane with the owners name in the latest RVator.
We are talking about the guy who wanted to know about a particular RV seen
in Florida right??
At 09:33 PM 1/21/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jay <jss165@yahoo.com>
>
>Mark,
>That looks like Doug Gardners plane. He lives in Palm
>Harbor, FL and is in the white pages
>Jay Samonsky
>
>__________________________________
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Aerodynamics of propulsion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Gordon and Marge wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Sisson,
>Litchfield Aerobatic Club
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Aerodynamics of propulsion
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
>--> <sisson@consolidated.net>
>
>
>Who was the first guy who was asking about this book. Sorry I deleted
>the name and email address. Then I think I found one....
>
>Phil
>
>Phil: I think I was the first to ask about the book and I believe I
>have one en route. Charlie England also expressed an interest. Thank
>you for the note.
>
>Gordon Comfort
>N363GC
>
>
>
>
ok tnx for reply.....
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| Subject: | RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 06:06 PM 1/21/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>switched to left and the engine quit.
>Landed, sumpped left tank and had about 2 bottle caps full. Zero in the
>gascolator. I am now convinced water does not settle out to bottom of
>gascolator as the fuel flows.
Hi Mike and all,
Bummer of a statistical anomaly, Mike! Hopefully, you have improved the
odds for the rest of us.
I have a mouse pad cut in half to lay over filler caps. In midwest, wind
might be more of an issue tho. I wonder if it is possible for moisture in
the air in the tank to condense at altitude? An argument for keeping
tanks full of fuel. Here, the air is usually very dry so that I can't
remember when I last got more than a drop or two of water from RV or
Debonair. I never top up tanks after a flight and I never sump after
refueling as it can take some time for the water to settle out if the fuel
was contaminated. Maybe I should change my ways.
When fuel is flowing to the engine, water that is so well mixed with gas
that it doesn't settle in gasco is fed in to cylinders causing at most low
power or maybe rough running, right? Gascolators or their equal have been
working for quite some time now. With autos one adds some alcohol from
time to time. Water is soluble in alcohol and it is soluble in fuel so all
moves along.
When I had my Honda shop, we had a rash of owners calling in to say their
bike had quit and they couldn't restart. Mechanics soon found that all had
water in the gas and had all gassed up at the same station, I hopped on my
Super Hawk and went there. They were already shut down and trying to
figure out where the water came from. It happens.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
The RV-6A Videos would really help here... Basically take a piece of
card stock (say, the back of a notebook) and cut a hole in the center of
it through which the gear mount will fit. I haven't seen the template
in the -7A plans, but that would probably work; I get to make my own
using a feeler gage. Anyway, install the mount and put the template
over it. It should overhang the bulkheads the bottom skin attaches to.
Mark and punch the rivet holes (you should have already drilled the
bottom skins at this point). Be sure to mark the holes on the template
on one side and mark which mount they are for; you can then turn the
template over and use it for the other side, marking and punching the
holes for that side. Or you can make two templates - card stock is
cheap. Once you have the template made, cleco it to the bottom skin
through the matching holes and transfer the cutout line from the
template to the skin. That's all there is to it.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - not getting much done on the fuselage... :(
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karie Daniel
Subject: RV-List: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I'm trying to figure how to cut the hole for the landing gear mount. The
plans pretty much say to lay the mount in the cabin and cut to size.
Well, that would be OK if the thing would lay flush so you could trim
the hole but it doesn't. The plans page also has a "template", so it
says but that's not really a template and if it is it's only for the
right side.
It's late and I probably shouldn't be cutting holes in the fuselage
anyway.
Karie Daniel
RV-7A
Sammamish, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
I have a 9A so I am not sure that my plans are exactly like yours in
this area or not, but...
Use the template. I scanned it into my computer and made two copies -
one mirror imaged. You will probably have to trim the hole a little
more even after you trim to the template when you actually fit the
landing gear mounts. If you do not have a scanner, just trace the pattern.
Make sure to include the various holes around the main hole so you can
locate it properly on the skin.
Dick Tasker, 90573
Karie Daniel wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
>I'm trying to figure how to cut the hole for the landing gear mount. The plans
pretty much say to lay the mount in the cabin and cut to size. Well, that would
be OK if the thing would lay flush so you could trim the hole but it doesn't.
The plans page also has a "template", so it says but that's not really a template
and if it is it's only for the right side.
>
>It's late and I probably shouldn't be cutting holes in the fuselage anyway.
>
>Karie Daniel
>RV-7A
>Sammamish, WA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Karie
I did something similar to Patrick's approach for my RV-9A except that I
used a clear piece of acetate to trace the cutout and rivet locations from
the drawing. I then cut out the hole area in the acetate, laid the pattern
on the skin making sure it aligned with the correct rivet holes, and traced
the cutout on the skin with a fine point Sharpie pen. Then flipped the
acetate over and marked the other side. It worked out very well.
Dean Van Winkle
RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
>
> The RV-6A Videos would really help here... Basically take a piece of
> card stock (say, the back of a notebook) and cut a hole in the center of
> it through which the gear mount will fit. I haven't seen the template
> in the -7A plans, but that would probably work; I get to make my own
> using a feeler gage. Anyway, install the mount and put the template
> over it. It should overhang the bulkheads the bottom skin attaches to.
> Mark and punch the rivet holes (you should have already drilled the
> bottom skins at this point). Be sure to mark the holes on the template
> on one side and mark which mount they are for; you can then turn the
> template over and use it for the other side, marking and punching the
> holes for that side. Or you can make two templates - card stock is
> cheap. Once you have the template made, cleco it to the bottom skin
> through the matching holes and transfer the cutout line from the
> template to the skin. That's all there is to it.
>
> Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - not getting much done on the fuselage... :(
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karie Daniel
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
> I'm trying to figure how to cut the hole for the landing gear mount. The
> plans pretty much say to lay the mount in the cabin and cut to size.
> Well, that would be OK if the thing would lay flush so you could trim
> the hole but it doesn't. The plans page also has a "template", so it
> says but that's not really a template and if it is it's only for the
> right side.
>
> It's late and I probably shouldn't be cutting holes in the fuselage
> anyway.
>
> Karie Daniel
> RV-7A
> Sammamish, WA
>
>
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> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Humm,
seems like some innovative soul could design and sell a set of reusable
stick-on vinyl covers that seal the caps, with a nice Vans Airforce logo
embossed on them, and a remove before flight red flag.
W
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
You know, I need to whine a bit, this last set of McCreary Airhawks have
only lasted 513 hours, ain't that a rub?
I guess I really got the old Whittman tapered rods lined up well. Vans was
off by 3.8 degs on the right and 2.5 degs on the left when they factory
drilled my leg mounts. My first set of tires lasted 39 hours.
As they say "trust no one".
W
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Sam,
I got a chance to fly with Chuck, the grand bruhah engineer and chief duck
at Trio the other day. He's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. It was
a smooth as glass day so we played with it and came up with 4, 4, for the
intercept gains and 7 for the pullin, as the most sensitive without hunting.
We also found that the auto turn rate worked the best at various speeds. It
now seems to stay within .01 nm or 60 ft of track and intercepts nicely. He
also got a good look at the weakness of the display in direct sunlight, they
are soon to offer, if not already, the LCD version I believe. I made a
little 1 inch shade that sits just above the display below the upper
switches. It has two tabs that catch the upper mount screws.
He felt that as long as the servo arm lengths for the attachments to the
control system were similar to mine then these settings would be fairly good
for
most of us. I believe I used the longest arm length the servo had to offer,
and then attached to the wing belcrank such that the servo arm still has
1/8" travel before contacting the servo stops, not sure what those actual
arm lengths were though.
I've been practicing intercepting the localizer from about 125 degrees off
course and it turns into it onto track within one tick on the OBS needle.
It really improves upon the Navaid for precision and info display. I did
suggest that they let the TOP be more then 1 nm.
W
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| Subject: | Dynon D-10/VAL INS422 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
A couple of folks were asking about the Dynon and the INS422 from VAL
Avionics awhile back. This is the second time I've tried to post this,
but I got a few posts kicked back at me after a few days???
I have about 230 hours on the Dynon now, I do occasionally have the slight
lean, but its only about 2 degrees. It will get behind you in a loop on
pitch display because the airspeed is gyrating greatly during a loop, and
they have this input damped slightly. So avoid IMC loops. It only happens
coming out and it recovers in three seconds. The rest of the features work
as advertised. The only down side is getting one's scan to absorb all that
data in one glance. I still find myself going after the conventional
airspeed and the altimeter.
It might be a nice feature to have the two tapes stepped or tapered wider as
you go higher/faster. This would more emulate the quick scan data one can
get from glancing at a needle. I tend to not see the needle for a number but
for a specific position. Particularly with the ASI and the VSI.
I would not ever recomend you use the D-10 to replace the Fabulous four,
ASI/ALT/VSI/TC, for any IMC flight, but it does sit above the HI, nicely
replacing the AI.
The INS422 works like it should, the only real downside is the lack of
rotating bezel that a conventional VOR/LOC indicator has. But flying the
LEDS is no different than the needle once you get used to it. I don't think
its the best solution as the only VOR/ILS device in the plane unless you are
very proficient, but as a second VOR/LOC/GS/MB unit its perfect.
It also will digitially display the radial you are tuned to which is nice
for a cross
point check.
The only gripe is I haven't gotten either of my LOC antennas to do that well
in range. I have the Bob Archer wing tip antennas installed exactly as he
said to by phone, and the range is generally only 18-25 nm. My only option
left is to trash the RG-58 and goto the RG-400. Any thoughts out there would
be appreciated.
W
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| Subject: | RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I hope so. If nothing else I have learned a lot myself. Here is what I
have learned.
1. Shaking the plane before sumping does NOT remove all the water. If
fact in this case, it removed none. Maybe shaking the wing like hell
will. Maybe waiting 30 seconds instead of 15 would help. I dunno but
this water thing is scary.
2. The gascolator does not trap water out of fuel passing through it on
my airplane. I have the vans gascolator. I did not know this before and
would have bet good money that it would in fact trap water. I was proven
wrong. My next plane will not have a gascolator.
3. If I had a carb., something worse may have happened.
I received 5 direct e-mails yesterday asking me what I did when the
engine quit. Here is my response:
I did what any pilot would do when you move a lever and the engine
quits. MOVE IT BACK!. I have Fuel Injection. Engine fired back up. Then
I ran for a while, switched to left and engine quit again. AHAA!. Don't
move lever over there again. Oh and give mouth to mouth to right seat
passenger Michelle. She gets flush when the noise stops.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kempthornes
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 06:06 PM 1/21/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>switched to left and the engine quit.
>Landed, sumpped left tank and had about 2 bottle caps full. Zero in the
>gascolator. I am now convinced water does not settle out to bottom of
>gascolator as the fuel flows.
Hi Mike and all,
Bummer of a statistical anomaly, Mike! Hopefully, you have improved the
odds for the rest of us.
I have a mouse pad cut in half to lay over filler caps. In midwest,
wind
might be more of an issue tho. I wonder if it is possible for moisture
in
the air in the tank to condense at altitude? An argument for keeping
tanks full of fuel. Here, the air is usually very dry so that I can't
remember when I last got more than a drop or two of water from RV or
Debonair. I never top up tanks after a flight and I never sump after
refueling as it can take some time for the water to settle out if the
fuel
was contaminated. Maybe I should change my ways.
When fuel is flowing to the engine, water that is so well mixed with gas
that it doesn't settle in gasco is fed in to cylinders causing at most
low
power or maybe rough running, right? Gascolators or their equal have
been
working for quite some time now. With autos one adds some alcohol from
time to time. Water is soluble in alcohol and it is soluble in fuel so
all
moves along.
When I had my Honda shop, we had a rash of owners calling in to say
their
bike had quit and they couldn't restart. Mechanics soon found that all
had
water in the gas and had all gassed up at the same station, I hopped on
my
Super Hawk and went there. They were already shut down and trying to
figure out where the water came from. It happens.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | RV List benefits |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
I'm gonna get a little drippy here but, out of all of the benefits that I
get from the list, the one that is the most cool is when I land at an
airport, taxi up to another RV, and put a face to someone I already know
from the
list.
Sunday I got to meet Laird O. at Santa Paula while waiting for my better
half
to pick me up.
It was really cool, I parked next to his RV-6 and thought, "nice plane,
wonder if he/she is on the list" Soon after he mosied up and we had a nice
chat.
In any event, last weekend I got to meet and remeet some of the SoCal guys
and gals at my airport, and this weekend I got to meet a builder at Chino,
and then another list lurker who had just got his 6 certified, and ended it
Sunday by meeting Laird up north.
Ain't it grand.
thanks Matt
W
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| Subject: | O-320 D1A Power Chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cessna150Guy" <Cessna150Guy@cox.net>
I have seen a couple requests on this list for a Lyc O-320 D1A power setting
chart. I recently received one and I have reformatted it and cleaned it up
so it prints out nicely and you can take it into the cockpit for in-flight
reference. E-mail me off line and I will e-mail it to you.
Travis
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| Subject: | Power chart O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
regarding
<snip>If anyone could help me out I would GREATLY appreciate it! I=92m
looking for
a power chart for the Lyc O-320 (160 hp). What I really need is something I
can print out and bring with me in the cockpit in order to use for reference
for M.P./RPM settings. I would appreciate anything you could send me.
E-mail it to me offline if you want.<snip>
PLEASE remember that a power chart that lists power for a given RPM, like
that which comes from an O-320 Cessna 172 is only relevant in that airplane
with that prop.
An aircraft with a coarser pitch prop will need to develop more power at a
given RPM. A power chart for a constant speed prop equipped airplane that
shows an RPM and Manifold Pressure matrix, would be (reasonably) accurate
for any aircraft equipped with that engine.
The analogy is that your car engine isn't required to produce the same power
running at 3000 rpm in 1st gear as it is running at 3000 rpm in 5th gear.
If 5th the car is moving faster. The MP will be higher because a higher
force (torque) is required against the resistance of the higher gear
(coarser prop) (Ain't physics great force x speed =power, it all works
out!!!)
Don Mei
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the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
I think at least one lesson to be learned from this thread is (barring
the exposure to rain), ALWAYS refuel ASAP after landing, whether you're
gas-and-going or RONing (Remaining OverNight). This serves a two-fold
purpose: 1) gives the maximum amount of time for entrained water to
settle out of the fuel (might also add, ALWAYS give yourself some time
margin for this to occur, 15 minutes, 30 minutes - anyone got a good
guideline for this?); and 2) minimizes the amount of potentially very
moist air in the tank (moisture in air can condense out at ANY altitude
- all that has to happen is the ambient air temp drop, like at night).
Mike, good on you for keeping your head! Since almost all of my time is
multi (military), I've never had the experience of losing my one and
only source of oomph. Losing one of four is exciting enough!
=.02
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I hope so. If nothing else I have learned a lot myself. Here is what I
>have learned.
>1. Shaking the plane before sumping does NOT remove all the water. If
>fact in this case, it removed none. Maybe shaking the wing like hell
>will. Maybe waiting 30 seconds instead of 15 would help. I dunno but
>this water thing is scary.
>2. The gascolator does not trap water out of fuel passing through it on
>my airplane. I have the vans gascolator. I did not know this before and
>would have bet good money that it would in fact trap water. I was proven
>wrong. My next plane will not have a gascolator.
>3. If I had a carb., something worse may have happened.
>
>
>I received 5 direct e-mails yesterday asking me what I did when the
>engine quit. Here is my response:
>
>I did what any pilot would do when you move a lever and the engine
>quits. MOVE IT BACK!. I have Fuel Injection. Engine fired back up. Then
>I ran for a while, switched to left and engine quit again. AHAA!. Don't
>move lever over there again. Oh and give mouth to mouth to right seat
>passenger Michelle. She gets flush when the noise stops.
>
>Mike
>
>
>
--
Randy Richter
richterrbb@earthlink.net
-7QB Kit in hibernation
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--> RV-List message posted by: Genev E Reed <genevreed@juno.com>
I put a Superior 0360 on my RV7A. I would love to have used a smooth
running Suby. I just couldn't make myself spend that kind of money for a
junk yard engine.
Doyle Reed RV7A. What an awesome Airplane.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
All,
I have a nosewheel shimmy upon touchdown, usually when the airplane
is slowing.
It is quite pronounced and has been observed as an up and down shimmy of the
leg, not a side to side wobble like a shopping cart.
A friend suggested we get our nose wheels balanced at a shop to see if this
helps.
I was very surprised at the post about a tube being at fault for one guy's
shimmy, so figured other things could come into play for a nose gear.
I do know that a lot of 6As suffer this same irritation to some degree or
other.
I have tried lower air pressure and that only helps a little.
Any suggestions or experience out there ?
Austin
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Szantho" <szantho@usa.com>
I fly a Mooney M20K and building the RV9-A. On my Mooney I cut out two
circles (left, right wing) about 5 in diameter from a plastic sheet (about
1/16 thickness). Glued a closed cell foam tape around the outer diameter of
the circle and fastened the whole thing to the fuel cap latch with Velcro
like fastener (I cannot remember the name but it has plastic hooks on both
side and you can buy it at hobby shops). You can leave one side of the
fastener permanently on the fuel cap latch. It works great, can be
removed/replaced in seconds, last many years and it's cheap. You have to
select a foam tape that will have enough thickness to do the job.
John Szantho
RV9-A QB fuselage
N3294C
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" <rv6hes@comcast.net>
Austin: This has been discussed a lot on the list, sometimes the shimmy is
aggravated by the main gears as brakes are applied. In my case I tried
everything to include changing tire pressure, tightening compression spring
washer to about 25lbs. I finally added a stiffener to the front and aft side
of nose gear leg with a wrap of glass cloth. During this time I changed all
tires, my main tires to Condor 6 ply. After flying for about 50 hours I
still get a slight shimmy at very low speed but easily corrected by Appling
brakes. One thing I do notice the nose gear seems to have a slightly
stiffer feel. So far no cracks in the engine mount or fiberglass . I
really believe if the stiffeners were added to the main gear, like they use
to have it would make the legs a little more rigid and less likely to
shimmy. The discussion about tube being out of balance might be a thing to
consider. On my next tire change I plan on using the new leak proof tubes,
more expensive though. Hope this helps.
Harvey Sigmon RV-6A N602RV flying
----- Original Message -----
From: "austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
Subject: RV-List: Shimmy
> --> RV-List message posted by: "austin" <austin@uniserve.com>
>
> All,
> I have a nosewheel shimmy upon touchdown, usually when the
airplane
> is slowing.
> It is quite pronounced and has been observed as an up and down shimmy of
the
> leg, not a side to side wobble like a shopping cart.
> A friend suggested we get our nose wheels balanced at a shop to see if
this
> helps.
> I was very surprised at the post about a tube being at fault for one guy's
> shimmy, so figured other things could come into play for a nose gear.
> I do know that a lot of 6As suffer this same irritation to some degree or
> other.
> I have tried lower air pressure and that only helps a little.
> Any suggestions or experience out there ?
> Austin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight RV6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Dave:
Congratulations ... fly safe and enjoy your test (learning) period !!
Let the fun begin !!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
196 hrs
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| Subject: | RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
There was really no keeping my head on this one. If I had thrown the
cabin light switch and the engine quit, I would have put the cabin light
switch back where I found it:)
I did the same thing with the fuel lever.
I did tell Michelle everything would be fine during the quiet times(when
the noise stopped). She was not convinced Im afraid.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Richter
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
I think at least one lesson to be learned from this thread is (barring
the exposure to rain), ALWAYS refuel ASAP after landing, whether you're
gas-and-going or RONing (Remaining OverNight). This serves a two-fold
purpose: 1) gives the maximum amount of time for entrained water to
settle out of the fuel (might also add, ALWAYS give yourself some time
margin for this to occur, 15 minutes, 30 minutes - anyone got a good
guideline for this?); and 2) minimizes the amount of potentially very
moist air in the tank (moisture in air can condense out at ANY altitude
- all that has to happen is the ambient air temp drop, like at night).
Mike, good on you for keeping your head! Since almost all of my time is
multi (military), I've never had the experience of losing my one and
only source of oomph. Losing one of four is exciting enough!
=.02
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I hope so. If nothing else I have learned a lot myself. Here is what I
>have learned.
>1. Shaking the plane before sumping does NOT remove all the water. If
>fact in this case, it removed none. Maybe shaking the wing like hell
>will. Maybe waiting 30 seconds instead of 15 would help. I dunno but
>this water thing is scary.
>2. The gascolator does not trap water out of fuel passing through it on
>my airplane. I have the vans gascolator. I did not know this before and
>would have bet good money that it would in fact trap water. I was
proven
>wrong. My next plane will not have a gascolator.
>3. If I had a carb., something worse may have happened.
>
>
>I received 5 direct e-mails yesterday asking me what I did when the
>engine quit. Here is my response:
>
>I did what any pilot would do when you move a lever and the engine
>quits. MOVE IT BACK!. I have Fuel Injection. Engine fired back up. Then
>I ran for a while, switched to left and engine quit again. AHAA!. Don't
>move lever over there again. Oh and give mouth to mouth to right seat
>passenger Michelle. She gets flush when the noise stops.
>
>Mike
>
>
>
--
Randy Richter
richterrbb@earthlink.net
-7QB Kit in hibernation
==
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==
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Not sure what the details of a -7A forward fuselage are but here is what I
did on a -6A
First, I drilled the forward bottom skins with the gear sockets missing.
Then I removed the skin and drilled the MLG sockets to the spars. Next I
made a template then cut the holes in the bottom skin. Then I re-installed
and riveted the skin, etc.
The template method I used came from an old Tony Bingelis book. Use some
cardboard or similar template material and cut a generously oversize hole in
it. Put it in place around the gear leg socket (or whatever). Establish some
means of removing the template and putting it back in the same place. On an
RV, simply use clecoes in some nearby rivet holes. Once the cardboard is in
place, fill in the gap around the gear leg socket with bits of scrap
cardboard and lots of masking tape. Remove the clecoes and the cardboard and
transfer it to the material which needs the hole in it. Locate the template
on the skin using the same rivet holes as before and fasten it in place.
Mark and cut the hole.
Fairly easy when it came down to actually doing it.
Jim Oke
RV-6A
Wpg., MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
> I'm trying to figure how to cut the hole for the landing gear mount. The
plans pretty much say to lay the mount in the cabin and cut to size. Well,
that would be OK if the thing would lay flush so you could trim the hole but
it doesn't. The plans page also has a "template", so it says but that's not
really a template and if it is it's only for the right side.
>
> It's late and I probably shouldn't be cutting holes in the fuselage
anyway.
>
> Karie Daniel
> RV-7A
> Sammamish, WA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
List
This is not about RV's but does relate to the thread. I have about 85
Cessnas in my log book, 70 of which were new deliveries on weekends while I
worked at Cessna. Only one time did I have significant problems with water
in the fuel. It was with a new 172 that had set on the field for about a
month with minimum fuel. The Delivery Center drained water and added alcohol
when filling the tanks and cautioned that there was probably more still. I
made 4 stops between Wichita and St. Louis, the first one only 30 miles out,
and drained water each time. Total water drained at the stops was at least
the equivalent of 1 1/2 gascolators full. A somewhat unusual situation, yes,
but the gascolator did it's job that day. Yes, my RV-9A will have a
gascolator.
Dean Van Winkle Fuselage/Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Richter" <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV filler caps leaking
> --> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
>
> I think at least one lesson to be learned from this thread is (barring
> the exposure to rain), ALWAYS refuel ASAP after landing, whether you're
> gas-and-going or RONing (Remaining OverNight). This serves a two-fold
> purpose: 1) gives the maximum amount of time for entrained water to
> settle out of the fuel (might also add, ALWAYS give yourself some time
> margin for this to occur, 15 minutes, 30 minutes - anyone got a good
> guideline for this?); and 2) minimizes the amount of potentially very
> moist air in the tank (moisture in air can condense out at ANY altitude
> - all that has to happen is the ambient air temp drop, like at night).
>
> Mike, good on you for keeping your head! Since almost all of my time is
> multi (military), I've never had the experience of losing my one and
> only source of oomph. Losing one of four is exciting enough!
>
> =.02
>
> Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
> >
> >I hope so. If nothing else I have learned a lot myself. Here is what I
> >have learned.
> >1. Shaking the plane before sumping does NOT remove all the water. If
> >fact in this case, it removed none. Maybe shaking the wing like hell
> >will. Maybe waiting 30 seconds instead of 15 would help. I dunno but
> >this water thing is scary.
> >2. The gascolator does not trap water out of fuel passing through it on
> >my airplane. I have the vans gascolator. I did not know this before and
> >would have bet good money that it would in fact trap water. I was proven
> >wrong. My next plane will not have a gascolator.
> >3. If I had a carb., something worse may have happened.
> >
> >
> >I received 5 direct e-mails yesterday asking me what I did when the
> >engine quit. Here is my response:
> >
> >I did what any pilot would do when you move a lever and the engine
> >quits. MOVE IT BACK!. I have Fuel Injection. Engine fired back up. Then
> >I ran for a while, switched to left and engine quit again. AHAA!. Don't
> >move lever over there again. Oh and give mouth to mouth to right seat
> >passenger Michelle. She gets flush when the noise stops.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >
> --
> Randy Richter
> richterrbb@earthlink.net
> -7QB Kit in hibernation
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV filler caps leaking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
A few weeks ago I landed and refilled in Deming, NM, on my way from Texas to
AZ. After takeoff, at about 1200 ft AGL or so, I noticed fuel streaming down
the right wing. Normally I sit low enough that I can't see the fuel cap on
that wing but when I sat up a bit I could see that fuel seemed to be sort
of bubbling out of the center of the cap. After landing I was unable to see
any reason for this-the cap was seated and latched just as always. I removed
it, cleaned of the o-ring around the outside and replaced it. No problems
afterward and it has never recurred even though I always check after takeoff
and every now and again in the air.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
I also had a fore-and-aft movement of my nose gear leg that seemed to be
caused by the steel tube insert that holds the upper end of the nose gear
leg in the motor mount being a few thousanths large at the lower end. The
vibration occured as the mains touched but before the nose wheel would
touch. Replacing that steel tube insert cured the problem.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Performance Chart |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Here you go...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Performance Chart
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Howdy agin-
Anybody got a copy of the performance chart for a 150 hp engine? (E3D would
be cool!) My POH came with one for an O-360 & that's all I've been able to
google or archive up! (Thanks, Chris Good!!)
Mark do not archive
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<rv7-list@matronics.matronics.com>, <rv9-list@matronics.matronics.com>
| Subject: | Interchangeable Cowlings? |
--> RV-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
Greetings,
Does anyone know if the cowlings for the -6, -7 & -9 airframes are interchangeable?
In other words, are the firewall dimensions of the side-by-side airframes the same
(or at least pretty darn close)?
Thanks for any input,
Konrad
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV List benefits |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Ahhhh....shucks.
Good to put another face to an email address, and it's always nice to
meet another RV pilot as well.
Laird
(wonder what Will Rogers would say about fiberglass pilots?....just KIDDING!)
Do Not Archive
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
>I'm gonna get a little drippy here but, out of all of the benefits that I
>get from the list, the one that is the most cool is when I land at an
>airport, taxi up to another RV, and put a face to someone I already know
>from the
>list.
>
>Sunday I got to meet Laird O. at Santa Paula while waiting for my better
>half
>to pick me up.
>
>It was really cool, I parked next to his RV-6 and thought, "nice plane,
>wonder if he/she is on the list" Soon after he mosied up and we had a nice
>chat.
>
>In any event, last weekend I got to meet and remeet some of the SoCal guys
>and gals at my airport, and this weekend I got to meet a builder at Chino,
>and then another list lurker who had just got his 6 certified, and ended it
>Sunday by meeting Laird up north.
>
>Ain't it grand.
>
>thanks Matt
>
>W
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Interchangeable Cowlings? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Burnett" <smileyburnett@charter.net>
I know the 6 and 7 are the same because although I am building a 6A with the
Eggenfellner Subaru firewall forward package, we ordered the cowling for the
7A as it fits the engine profile better.
Ron Burnett
----- Original Message -----
From: <klwerner@comcast.net>
<rv7-list@matronics.matronics.com>; <rv9-list@matronics.matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Interchangeable Cowlings?
> --> RV-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
>
> Greetings,
> Does anyone know if the cowlings for the -6, -7 & -9 airframes are
interchangeable?
> In other words, are the firewall dimensions of the side-by-side airframes
the same (or at least pretty darn close)?
>
> Thanks for any input,
> Konrad
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
I have tried lower
> air pressure and that only helps a little. Any suggestions or
> experience out there ? Austin
Austin, how low is low on the pressure of the nose tire? I run mine at
about 20 to 25 psi.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 432 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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<rv7-list@matronics.matronics.com>, <rv9-list@matronics.matronics.com>
| Subject: | Re: Interchangeable Cowlings? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
My 7 cowl had "6/6A-7-7A written on the cowl ring. I believe they are the
same.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: <klwerner@comcast.net>
<rv7-list@matronics.matronics.com>; <rv9-list@matronics.matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Interchangeable Cowlings?
> --> RV-List message posted by: <klwerner@comcast.net>
>
> Greetings,
> Does anyone know if the cowlings for the -6, -7 & -9 airframes are
interchangeable?
> In other words, are the firewall dimensions of the side-by-side airframes
the same (or at least pretty darn close)?
>
> Thanks for any input,
> Konrad
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Wheeler North wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> Sam,
>
> I got a chance to fly with Chuck, the grand bruhah engineer and chief duck
> at Trio the other day. He's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. It was
> a smooth as glass day so we played with it and came up with 4, 4, for the
> intercept gains and 7 for the pullin, as the most sensitive without hunting.
> We also found that the auto turn rate worked the best at various speeds. It
> now seems to stay within .01 nm or 60 ft of track and intercepts nicely. He
> also got a good look at the weakness of the display in direct sunlight, they
> are soon to offer, if not already, the LCD version I believe. I made a
> little 1 inch shade that sits just above the display below the upper
> switches. It has two tabs that catch the upper mount screws.
>
Thanks for the update, Wheeler. I'll take note of your settings and
compare them to the ones in my EZ-Pilot.
<snip>
> I've been practicing intercepting the localizer from about 125 degrees off
> course and it turns into it onto track within one tick on the OBS needle.
>
> It really improves upon the Navaid for precision and info display. I did
> suggest that they let the TOP be more then 1 nm.
Yep, the Navaid is still a serviceable unit, but there is no doubt the
EZ-Pilot far exceeds it in capability and precision.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | [ Steve Glasgow ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | [Fwd: NEXUS Mustang] |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
I know, I know, burn the heretic. 8-)
But I thought some of the RV builders would appreciate this. The idea was
to make a tandem seat Mustang II, it ended up as a brand new airplane all
it's own. All metal construction. Plans will be available shortly, if they
aren't already.
I wonder if the wing would fit on an RV-7?
-Rob
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NEXUS Mustang
How's this for a nice little homebuilt??
*AIRIC's NEXUS Mustang Air-to-air*
http://www.airic.ca/html/nexus_mustang.html
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
Thanks for all the responses. I was worried mostly about cutting into the
spar but Vans said use the template and that I would end up cutting into the
spar about 1/8. I finished the right side tonight, almost wore out my
dremmel though. I made a cut in the center the worked my way out slowly. The
left side will go much faster once I get something for my die grinder that
will cut clean and slow.
Thanks again for the pics and responses.
Karie Daniel
Sammamish, WA
RV-7A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
>
> Karie
>
> I did something similar to Patrick's approach for my RV-9A except that I
> used a clear piece of acetate to trace the cutout and rivet locations from
> the drawing. I then cut out the hole area in the acetate, laid the
pattern
> on the skin making sure it aligned with the correct rivet holes, and
traced
> the cutout on the skin with a fine point Sharpie pen. Then flipped the
> acetate over and marked the other side. It worked out very well.
>
> Dean Van Winkle
> RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
> >
> > The RV-6A Videos would really help here... Basically take a piece of
> > card stock (say, the back of a notebook) and cut a hole in the center of
> > it through which the gear mount will fit. I haven't seen the template
> > in the -7A plans, but that would probably work; I get to make my own
> > using a feeler gage. Anyway, install the mount and put the template
> > over it. It should overhang the bulkheads the bottom skin attaches to.
> > Mark and punch the rivet holes (you should have already drilled the
> > bottom skins at this point). Be sure to mark the holes on the template
> > on one side and mark which mount they are for; you can then turn the
> > template over and use it for the other side, marking and punching the
> > holes for that side. Or you can make two templates - card stock is
> > cheap. Once you have the template made, cleco it to the bottom skin
> > through the matching holes and transfer the cutout line from the
> > template to the skin. That's all there is to it.
> >
> > Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - not getting much done on the fuselage... :(
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karie Daniel
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Cutting the hole for the landing gear mount - 7A
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
> >
> > I'm trying to figure how to cut the hole for the landing gear mount. The
> > plans pretty much say to lay the mount in the cabin and cut to size.
> > Well, that would be OK if the thing would lay flush so you could trim
> > the hole but it doesn't. The plans page also has a "template", so it
> > says but that's not really a template and if it is it's only for the
> > right side.
> >
> > It's late and I probably shouldn't be cutting holes in the fuselage
> > anyway.
> >
> > Karie Daniel
> > RV-7A
> > Sammamish, WA
> >
> >
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> >
> >
>
>
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