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1. 05:49 AM - Scott Jackson???? ()
2. 06:51 AM - Re: Off Topic - Thunderbirds crash report and video (Jim Oke)
3. 06:55 AM - Flap Jackscrew Rotation (Albert Gardner)
4. 07:18 AM - Re: Control Vision Anywhere WX (James E. Clark)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: Thunderbird Janitor Qualifications... (C. Rabaut)
6. 08:14 AM - toe in (Wheeler North)
7. 09:24 AM - GNC-300XL (Vincent Welch)
8. 09:25 AM - Re: Off Topic - Thunderbirds crash report and video (Terry Watson)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL (Ageless Wings)
10. 11:29 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL (Vincent Welch)
11. 01:09 PM - Re: GNC-300XL (Jim Cimino)
12. 02:55 PM - Re: Cold Weather & Performance (was muffin fans etc.) (Curt Reimer)
13. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: Cold Weather & Performance (was muffin fans etc.) (Brian Denk)
14. 03:32 PM - Lowrance 300 To Navaid (John Mcmahon)
15. 04:10 PM - Tire Pressures? (david edgemon)
16. 05:36 PM - Re: toe in (Dave Bristol)
17. 05:36 PM - Re: Tire Pressures? (linn walters)
18. 06:25 PM - Re: Tire Pressures? (John)
19. 07:45 PM - Aeroelectric Seminars / Terminals ()
20. 09:35 PM - Re: Lowrance 300 To Navaid (Brian Denk)
21. 09:38 PM - Re: Aeroelectric Seminars / Terminals (Terry Watson)
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| Subject: | Scott Jackson???? |
--> RV-List message posted by: <EricHe@FlexSolPackaging.com>
Looking for Scott Jackson, anyone know his new e-mail?
Thanks
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic - Thunderbirds crash report and video |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Field elev at KLSV is 1867' and at KMUO it's 2996'. So if the pilot climbed
to 1867' + 2500' = 4367' MSL at Mountain Home for the split S maneuver he
would actually be at 4367' - 2996' = 1371' AGL. The math looks wrong
compared to the report below but the problem is obvious - beginning a pull
through maneuver too low even in an F-16 with 9 G available. Also the pilot
would probably begin the maneuver in the usual way and only pull hard when
the "picture" looked wrong.
I know the solo F-16 Demo pilots have a safety pilot on the ground. There is
a planned minimum altitude at the top of any vertical maneuvers and the
pilot in the air says his altitude on the radio. The ground guy cross-checks
to make sure it's OK and calls for a planned escape maneuver if its not. The
Snowbird guys in Canada compute a planned altitude at the top of looping
maneuvers considering temp & density altitude for the same reason.
Lucky thing for Capt. Stricklin to have survived this to "enjoy" his desk
job at the Pentagon.
Jim Oke
RV-3, RV-6A
Wpg., MB
Cool here this AM.....
METAR CYWG 281400Z 31013KT 15SM FEW280 M35/M40 A3039 RMK CI0 SLP327
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic - Thunderbirds crash report and video
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry about the off-topic post, but I know there are some
> ex- and current fighter jocks on the list, and I wonder if
> you feel, as I do, that this seems to be an unfair verdict
> on this accident.
>
> I just can't imagine a procedure for airshow flying that
> uses MSL instead of AGL. Who cares, when you are performing
> the kind of maneuvers that these folks do, how high over
> the ocean you might be? Help me understand this.
>
> I've studied human factors and error analysis for quite
> some time, and this smells like an obvious disaster waiting
> to happen. Performing all the maneuvers at different MSL
> altitudes depending on the airshow site? Sounds strange.
>
> I've been a Thunderbirds fan since before I could walk,
> and being an USAF brat had seen one of their shows every
> year growing up. I just hate to see this kid get sent off
> to the Pentagon for getting bitten by some bad training
> or bad procedures. I hope the team learns from this crash.
>
> Am I all wet?
>
> Mickey
>
>
> >THUNDERBIRDS CRASH REPORT AND VIDEO
> >Pilot error caused a U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds F-16 to crash at an air
> >show on Sept. 14 at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho, the Air Force
> >said on Wednesday. (See AVweb's NewsWire for in-cockpit video of the
> >crash.) The pilot incorrectly climbed to 1,670 feet AGL instead of 2,500
> >feet before initiating the pull-down to the Split-S maneuver, according
> >to the Air Force news release. The pilot, Chris Stricklin, 31,
> >apparently flew by mistake to the MSL altitude used when practicing the
> >maneuver at his home base, Nellis AFB in Nevada, which is 1,000 feet
> >lower than the Idaho field elevation. The pilot ejected just
> >eight-tenths of a second before impact, after reportedly making an
> >effort to steer the aircraft away from the crowd of about 85,000 ... and
> >now works at the Pentagon, in Washington, D.C.
> >http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/190-full.html#186582
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
>
>
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| Subject: | Flap Jackscrew Rotation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
Not too long ago there was a thread about the rod-end bearing lock nut on
the flap screw jack loosening up and allowing the rod-end bearing to
unthread. This allowed the flaps to abruptly retract with a bang.
Disconcerting at the start of an approach, probably much more that that near
the ground. Looking at a friends RV-9A the other day shows that there is a
good solution for that. Vans sells a Flap Positioning System
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1075299887-210-429&browse=airframe&product=fps
part of which is a sliding rod held on the flap screwjack with collars. It
prevents rotation of the extendable portion of the jackscrew is the same way
that torque links prevent rotation of landing gear legs. Making or buying
this part it might be a worthwhile addition to the flap jackscrew.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Control Vision Anywhere WX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Works as advertised.
There is a bit of a learning curve if your friend has not been using a PDA.
The user interface on the AnyWhereMap and AnyWhereWx is *different* from
your Garmin handheld but once you get "into" it, you appreciate the
differences.
My longest trip using it was from KOSH to KCUB (Columbia, SC) right after
AirVenture when all the stormy weather was about each day. Was a GREAT
help.
If your friend does not like it, it can easily be sold to someone.
NOTE/DISCLAIMER etc: (!!!) It is ***NOT*** realtime. It is not "right now"
as in Stormscope or Radar. The NEXRAD data takes probably 5-10 minutes to be
GATHERED and put together. Then the data has to be packaged up (by
ControlVision) for downloading by the Satellite phone. The images you see
are therefore out of necessity 6-11 minutes (if not more) old. CV tries to
make sure that the data that THEY provide is only a short (single digit)
minutes old at most but it takes the "gubment" soem time to get all to them.
So it is not recommended be used "in the soup, dodging through major cells",
but instead to give you **additional** situational awareness.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> JSannizzar@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:11 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Control Vision Anywhere WX
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: JSannizzar@aol.com
>
> Has anyone used this product/service? Is it worthwhile and practical? Are
> there any bugs or shortcomings?
>
> See the website at: http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/awm_anywherewx.htm
>
> My friend is interested in alternatives to a full blown
> stormscope in his PA
> 32 and I knew that with the knowledgeable people here, I could
> get some info
> for him. Any input would be appreciated.
>
> John Sannizzaro
> N357JS (Reserved)
> RV-7 Planning Stages
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thunderbird Janitor Qualifications... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Hey... when I click this & go to the site, it says "You are not authorized
to view".
Okay, quick somebody "authorize" me.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Thunderbird Janitor Qualifications...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
>
> videos and cockpit views here...
>
>
> http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/idaho/stories/
> NW_012104IDNthunderbirdcrashLJ.3a8539b6.html
>
>
> B.
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2004, at 6:22 AM, Bill VonDane wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> >
> > I was sent this great photo the other day!
> >
> > http://www.vondane.com/videos/T-Bird6fronteject.jpg
> >
> > I also have the videos here - bottom of the page:
> > http://www.vondane.com/videos/
> >
> > -Bill
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Wayne,
Vans had mine off by 3.8 degs on one side and 2.5 on the other.
I fixed this by wallowing the holes on the engine mount to rotate the leg,
then back filled the "slot" with a lead plug that is trapped by the bolt
washers. Although I'm sure the pinch of the bolt would be enough to keep
this in place.
If you put the AC in level position then use an accurate lasar level set
against the wheel hubs and project a line out say 100 inches (to make the
math easy) you can then use a little trig to calculate this very accurately
by triangulating off the aircraft centerline and then subtracting the
distance measured from centerline to lasar at 100 inches out from the
distance measured at centerline to lasar at 0 inches out. If you do the
math, a 1/10 of a degree = 3/16" at 107.5 inches between the two
measurements.
I set mine with full fuel but no baggage of pax as I figured that would be
the average taxi weight.
W
Time: 12:45:09 PM PST US
From: "wayne larabee" <wlarabee@specent.com>
Subject: RV-List: rv gear
--> RV-List message posted by: "wayne larabee" <wlarabee@specent.com>
anybody have any experience correcting excessive toe in or out on the main
gear
rv6???
wlarabee@specent.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know where I can get an installation manual for a GNC-300XL? I
have checked Garmin's web site but they only list a user's manual for the
300XL. The web site has an installation manual for the 250XL. I need to
make up a harness and I don't know if the pin outs are the same. The user's
manual does not list pin outs.
Vince Welch
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| Subject: | Off Topic - Thunderbirds crash report and video |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
There's a bit of irony here. The Thunderbird solo pilot whom I saw pull the
wings off an F100 and turn it into a fireball in Texas many years ago did
end up with a desk job at the pentagon - as Chief of Staff of the Air Force.
He may well be on this list. He flies an RV-8.
Terry
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<snip>
Lucky thing for Capt. Stricklin to have survived this to "enjoy" his desk
job at the Pentagon.
Jim Oke
RV-3, RV-6A
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| Subject: | RE: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ageless Wings" <harley@agelesswings.com>
Vince...
I went to Yahoo, typed in the model number and "installation manual" and
this was the first page that came up:
http://www.mcico.com/pdf/7019813%20MD41-144X.pdf
Pages 5 and 6 appear to be the pinout.
Harley
Long EZ N28EZ...
in the hanger, getting sanded and primed!
Harley Dixon
Website: www.AgelessWings.com <http://www.AgelessWings.com/>
Email: harley@agelesswings.com <mailto:harley@agelesswings.com>
Henrietta, NY
USA
|-----Original Message-----
|From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
|[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
|Vincent Welch
|Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:24 PM
|To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com
|Subject: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL
|
|
|--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch"
|<welchvincent@hotmail.com>
|
|Does anyone know where I can get an installation manual for a
|GNC-300XL? I
|have checked Garmin's web site but they only list a user's manual for the
|300XL. The web site has an installation manual for the 250XL. I need to
|make up a harness and I don't know if the pin outs are the same.
|The user's
|manual does not list pin outs.
|
|Vince Welch
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | RE: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Thanks for the info, BUT, that appears to be the installation manual for the
Mid-Continent ACU that is used with the GNC-300XL.
Vince
>From: "Ageless Wings" <harley@AgelessWings.com>
>Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>, <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:59:18 -0500
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ageless Wings"
><harley@agelesswings.com>
>
>Vince...
>
>I went to Yahoo, typed in the model number and "installation manual" and
>this was the first page that came up:
>
>http://www.mcico.com/pdf/7019813%20MD41-144X.pdf
>
>Pages 5 and 6 appear to be the pinout.
>
>Harley
>
>Long EZ N28EZ...
>
>in the hanger, getting sanded and primed!
>
>Harley Dixon
>
>Website: www.AgelessWings.com <http://www.AgelessWings.com/>
>
>Email: harley@agelesswings.com <mailto:harley@agelesswings.com>
>
>Henrietta, NY
>
>USA
>
>
>|-----Original Message-----
>|From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>|[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>|Vincent Welch
>|Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:24 PM
>|To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com
>|Subject: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL
>|
>|
>|--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch"
>|<welchvincent@hotmail.com>
>|
>|Does anyone know where I can get an installation manual for a
>|GNC-300XL? I
>|have checked Garmin's web site but they only list a user's manual for the
>|300XL. The web site has an installation manual for the 250XL. I need to
>|make up a harness and I don't know if the pin outs are the same.
>|The user's
>|manual does not list pin outs.
>|
>|Vince Welch
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
I think the pins are the same from the GNC-250XL and the GNC 300XL. I had a
problem with my 250 once and a avionics shop had a new 300XL, we just
screwed it in and it seemed to work fine.
Jim
James Cimino
RV-8 SN 80039
100+ Hours
570-842-4057
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: GNC-300XL
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
>
> Does anyone know where I can get an installation manual for a GNC-300XL?
I
> have checked Garmin's web site but they only list a user's manual for the
> 300XL. The web site has an installation manual for the 250XL. I need to
> make up a harness and I don't know if the pin outs are the same. The
user's
> manual does not list pin outs.
>
> Vince Welch
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Weather & Performance (was muffin fans etc.) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mb.sympatico.ca>
But as you can see by the dew point spread, it's a dry cold :-)
And the density altitude is around -6000 feet which would explain why my
engine was running lean of peak at FULL RICH last weekend. Climb performance
is great but assuming one limits cruise power to 75% for the sake of the
engine, the cruise is several knots slower than normal due to the thick air.
Weird.
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
>
> Heck, we just getting warmed up here (or is that cooled off ...)
>
> METAR CYWG 280600Z 31015KT 15SM SKC M30/M35 A3030 RMK SLP294
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Weather & Performance (was muffin fans etc.) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mb.sympatico.ca>
>
>But as you can see by the dew point spread, it's a dry cold :-)
>
>And the density altitude is around -6000 feet which would explain why my
>engine was running lean of peak at FULL RICH last weekend. Climb
>performance
>is great but assuming one limits cruise power to 75% for the sake of the
>engine, the cruise is several knots slower than normal due to the thick
>air.
>Weird.
Wow...that's amazing. I never thought you could go negative on density
altitude...because it's probably impossible here in Albeqwerky NM at 5,000'
ground elevation! I've gotten downright excited the few times I've flown
down to sea level in the summertime, but to do so when it's really
cold....ooh.....closest thing to RV'ating Nirvana I can imagine.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Lowrance 300 To Navaid |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
To those RV builder's that may have Navaid to Lowrance 300 Airmap working
Help!!!!
Need the cable out of Lowrance to Navaid wire pin out info please..
Thanks
John McMahon (RV6 C/S 0360)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: david edgemon <dedgemon@knology.net>
Just out of curiousity. What kind of tire pressures are people using.
Particularly for the nose gear tire.
--
David Edgemon
Summit Research Corp.
"Under system requirements it said install Windows 95
or better, so I installed Linux"
Anonymous
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Wheeler,
My alignment was out just about the same as yours was and I agonized
over how to fix it until I finally just left it alone and of course I
have a lot of tire wear. I like your method of changing it and I'll give
it a try at the next inspection.
I do have a comment about the method of measurement that Van's
recommends - that is, in a level attitude.
Unlike a trike, a tailwheel airplane is almost never in a level attitude
when the wheels are on the ground. And with the camber that our
airplanes have, there is a considerable change in toe-in from tail up to
tail down. So, it doesn't make much sense to me to adjust the gear for
straight ahead in a level attitude on a conventional gear airplane. Of
course you don't want it perfectly straight ahead with the tail down
either, since that will cause toe-out when the tail is up and extra tire
wear. I like to have a compromise of about half way between tail down
and level.
Dave, RV6, So Cal
EAA Technical Counselor & Flight Advisor
Wheeler North wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
>Wayne,
>
>Vans had mine off by 3.8 degs on one side and 2.5 on the other.
>
>I fixed this by wallowing the holes on the engine mount to rotate the leg,
>then back filled the "slot" with a lead plug that is trapped by the bolt
>washers. Although I'm sure the pinch of the bolt would be enough to keep
>this in place.
>
>If you put the AC in level position then use an accurate lasar level set
>against the wheel hubs and project a line out say 100 inches (to make the
>math easy) you can then use a little trig to calculate this very accurately
>by triangulating off the aircraft centerline and then subtracting the
>distance measured from centerline to lasar at 100 inches out from the
>distance measured at centerline to lasar at 0 inches out. If you do the
>math, a 1/10 of a degree = 3/16" at 107.5 inches between the two
>measurements.
>
>I set mine with full fuel but no baggage of pax as I figured that would be
>the average taxi weight.
>
>W
>
>
>Time: 12:45:09 PM PST US
>From: "wayne larabee" <wlarabee@specent.com>
>Subject: RV-List: rv gear
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "wayne larabee" <wlarabee@specent.com>
>
>anybody have any experience correcting excessive toe in or out on the main
>gear
>rv6???
>
>wlarabee@specent.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Pressures? |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
david edgemon wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: david edgemon <dedgemon@knology.net>
>
>Just out of curiousity. What kind of tire pressures are people using.
>Particularly for the nose gear tire.
>
Long, long, ago in the land of ..... oops, wrong intro. Well, some time
back my A&P/AI told me to fill the tire until the outside rib just
starts to lift off the ground. Has worked for me lo these many years
and I get fairly good tire wear across the tread. Hope this helps
...... when you can't find your pressure gauge.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Pressures? |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
30-PSI all around works for me
John
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--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Two questions for the list...
1) For those that have been to the aeroelectric seminars...would you go again?
Do you feel you gained much more than having simply read the book? Anyone heading
to the seminar in KC on 2/7?
2) If anyone kept a list of the types (red splice, #6 red stud, blue faston, etc.)
and rough quantities of terminal connectors used, I would appreciate the help.
I know it certainly depends on the panel, but I'm just looking for some
direction in advance.
Thanks,
Scott
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon <rv6@earthlink.net>
>
>To those RV builder's that may have Navaid to Lowrance 300 Airmap working
>Help!!!!
>Need the cable out of Lowrance to Navaid wire pin out info please..
>
> Thanks
> John McMahon (RV6 C/S 0360)
I think Sam Buchanan interfaced an Airmap 100 to a Navaid. Might want to
check his website or email him. I have a 300 and think it's great!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Scott,
The seminar won't answer all your questions, but I definitely found it
worthwhile and enjoyable. I traveled from Seattle to Ft. Worth to attend
(and see relatives). If he held it close by, I would probably go again.
You probably won't come out of the seminar with all your questions about
wiring your plane answered because you probably won't think of all the
questions and the time goes fast, or at least it did for me. But Bob is an
excellent instructor and a true gentleman, and to say he knows his stuff is
like saying the Pope is religious. My only criticism was that there were so
many different interesting discussions that we didn't cover all the ground
that I had hoped.
Very worthwhile.
Terry
RV-8a still wiring, or maybe still getting started wiring
Seattle
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Two questions for the list...
1) For those that have been to the aeroelectric seminars...would you go
again? Do you feel you gained much more than having simply read the book?
Anyone heading to the seminar in KC on 2/7?
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