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1. 05:26 AM - Re: One Yoke for Squeezer? (Charlie Kuss)
2. 06:11 AM - Re: Landing Light - What Wing (Denis Walsh)
3. 06:30 AM - Re: gasculator (Michael Birmingham)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: Custom spark plug wires (LightSpeed) (Scott Bilinski)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: One Yoke for Squeezer? (David E. Nelson)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: Landing Light - What Wing (DAVID REEL)
7. 08:57 AM - Randy's insurance (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: Taildraggers and X wind landings (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
9. 09:07 AM - Re: GPS or Anywheremap (Paul Boyce, Ph.D.)
10. 09:22 AM - >Re:Landing Light-What Wing (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
11. 09:22 AM - X-wind t/O Ldgs (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
12. 09:39 AM - Re: >Re:Landing Light-What Wing (Rvsearey@aol.com)
13. 10:51 AM - Flying RVs with Disabilities (Richard Stoffel)
14. 11:44 AM - Re: Flying RVs with Disabilities (Michael McGee)
15. 11:47 AM - Re: Flying RVs with Disabilities (Tedd McHenry)
16. 12:23 PM - Re: Flying RVs with Disabilities (Blanton Fortson)
17. 01:16 PM - Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Will & Lynda Allen)
18. 01:26 PM - Re: Flying RVs with Disabilities (Glenn Brasch)
19. 02:00 PM - Re: Taildraggers and X wind landings (Alex Peterson)
20. 02:07 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Paul Besing)
21. 02:23 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill (Richard Tasker)
22. 02:28 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Brian Denk)
23. 02:29 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Kysh)
24. 02:34 PM - Re:Tools from Harbor Freight,etc. (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
25. 03:05 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Mike Nellis)
26. 03:07 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Charles Becker)
27. 03:12 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill (linn walters)
28. 03:13 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Kysh)
29. 03:14 PM - Re: Landing Light - What Wing (Kyle Boatright)
30. 03:31 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Mark/Micki Phillips)
31. 03:36 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
32. 03:51 PM - Re: Randy's insurance (Randy Lervold)
33. 04:18 PM - Re: Taildraggers and X wind landings (John Huft)
34. 05:23 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Richard Lundin)
35. 05:58 PM - Re: Landing Light - What Wing (Dave Bristol)
36. 06:56 PM - Re: Landing Light - What Wing (Karie Daniel)
37. 07:19 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Cy Galley)
38. 07:33 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Will & Lynda Allen)
39. 07:36 PM - Re: Landing Light - What Wing (Bill VonDane)
40. 07:38 PM - Re: Taildraggers and X wind landings (Alex Peterson)
41. 07:41 PM - EMI solution for Dynon? (Dan Checkoway)
42. 07:48 PM - Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds (Will & Lynda Allen)
43. 08:08 PM - EZ pilot Report (Wheeler North)
44. 08:11 PM - dynon (Wheeler North)
45. 09:54 PM - Toe (Wheeler North)
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| Subject: | Re: One Yoke for Squeezer? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Scott,
Yes the longeron yoke is the one you want. Check prices at Avery Tools and P.A.R.T.S.
(Professional Air Riveting Tool Service).
http://www.averytools.com/
http://www.rivettools.com/squeezer_yokes.htm
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
>I know this has been done to death in the archives, but I am looking for some
updated opinions. If I were to only buy one yoke for a pneumatic squeezer, which
have people found to be most valuable? I am assuming the longeron yoke would
be the most versatile. It seems to be $135 at Cleveland...anyone know of
a cheaper spot? I am looking for yokes that fit the 214c style squeezers. For
reference, I am at the wing skeleton stage.
>
>Also, if anyone has a used squeezer they want to get rid of, I would love to take
it off your hands.
>
>Thanks,
>Scott
>7A Wings
>http://sky.prohosting.com/rv7a/
>
>Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
>The most personalized portal on the Web!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light - What Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
My single light is on the left. I like it there.
> From: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
> Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:56:52 -0800
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>, <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Landing Light - What Wing
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
> Last summer I bought 2 of the Duckworks landing light kits. After getting the
> first one installed I decided one light and cutting a hole in one perfectly
> good wing would be enough. After looking at some RV pics lately I've noticed
> most kits with only one landing light mount them in the right wing. Mine is in
> the left.
>
> Is there a reason when installing only one landing light to install it in the
> right wing? Is mounting a single light setup in the left a no no for any
> obvious reason that I have overlooked? Should I just install another light in
> the right wing now?
>
> Karie Daniel
> Sammamish, WA.
> RV-7A QB
>
>
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>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Birmingham" <mbirmham@flightline.com>
Thanks so much. I will try that today
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GMC
Subject: RE: RV-List: gasculator
--> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@intergate.ca>
Hi Mike
It's not vented like the wing tanks, kind of like pouring gas out of a jerry
can without opening the cans air vent cap.
If you are worried about fuel flow try it (carefully) with the electric
boost pump on.
George in Langley
-----Original Message-----
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Birmingham"
<mbirmham@flightline.com>
I have noticed that my gasculator, an ACS 10564, on my RV-6 doesn't flow
well. Shouldn't I be getting more of a steady stream like the wing tanks?
Mike
N267WT
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| Subject: | Re: Custom spark plug wires (LightSpeed) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
What length do you need? I ordered 3 extra cables at various lengths to
help with the routing. So I have some spares.
At 09:34 PM 2/3/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>I need to make custom spark plug wires for my LightSpeed Plasma II. Does
>anybody know of a source for bulk wire & ends that would end up being
>cheaper than about $30? That's what it will cost to have Klaus custom-make
>'em for me.
>
>The wire that comes with the LightSpeed are MSD 8.5mm Super Conductor. I've
>seen MSD sells a bulk universal kit, but I believe it's much more expensive
>(not sure).
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Klaus Savier" <klaus@lightspeedengineering.com>
>To: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>Subject: Re: Custom spark plug wires
>
>
>> Dan,
>> The wire is $2.2 per ft and $2.5 per termination. I would need the dims
>from
>> you.
>> Regards,
>> Klaus Savier
>>
>> Dan Checkoway wrote:
>>
>> > Klaus,
>> >
>> > I need to make custom length spark plug wires for the Plasma II on my
>> > IO-360-A1B6. Can you point me in the right direction? I'm looking for
>a
>> > kit, if possible, that comes with a length of wire, and eight 90-to-90
>ends.
>> > Any tips?
>> >
>> > I heard Jeff Rose sells something like this, but I wanted to check with
>you
>> > first.
>> >
>> > )_( Dan
>> > RV-7 N714D
>> > http://www.rvproject.com
>>
>>
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: One Yoke for Squeezer? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Hi Scott,
Just being on the Emp (HS, VS, and Rudder nearly complete), I've used the
Longeron yoke the most hands down. Followed by the 3-1/3 thin nose yoke.
As for prices, you might also try www.clearairtools.com. I think they were
having a sale/specials some time ago but I don't know if that's still in
effect.
Regards,
/\/elson
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
> I know this has been done to death in the archives, but I am looking for some
> updated opinions. If I were to only buy one yoke for a pneumatic squeezer,
> which have people found to be most valuable? I am assuming the longeron yoke
> would be the most versatile. It seems to be $135 at Cleveland...anyone know
> of a cheaper spot? I am looking for yokes that fit the 214c style squeezers.
> For reference, I am at the wing skeleton stage.
>
> Also, if anyone has a used squeezer they want to get rid of, I would love to
> take it off your hands.
>
> Thanks, Scott 7A Wings http://sky.prohosting.com/rv7a/
>
> Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
--
~~ ** ~~ If you didn't learn anything when you broke it the 1st ~~ ** ~~
time, then break it again.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light - What Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Hi Karie. Love of simplicity motivated me to put a single Duckworth landing light
in the right wingtip of my RV8A. I reasoned that the 55W halogen light would
provide sufficient illumination for very infrequent nighttime operations that
would be conducted to lighted airports. I fly for pleasure, not necessity.
In addition, the level taxi attitude would bring the light closer to the airplane
while the nose high landing attitude would place the light further off
thus eliminating the need for dual taxi/landing lights. The choice of right wing
was motivated by a desire to minimize holes in the wing ribs. The left wing
has the 1/4" pitot line while the right wing has the antenna/landing light
wiring. Symmetry of the airplane would indicate no lighting difference between
left versus right wing locations. If you anticipate frequent nightime operations
where you might be forced into an unlighted field, or your homebase isn't
lighted, you should have as much light as you can get. Not flying yet though
so ....
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Randy's insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Hi Randy,
First of all, congrats on you and your passenger walking away, the aircraft
can surely be fixed, even though it's gotta be a blow after those years of
work. It was, and I'm sure will be again, one of the nicest -8's out there. Good
thing the prop or airframe wasn't tweaked...
Please keep us up to speed about the treatment you get from your insurance
company. It's only fair to give them free advertising for the great service I'm
sure they're going to give you. On the very remote chance they might not,
well, I guess we could use that info also. You have to love the internet...
Best Regards,
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Taildraggers and X wind landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Right yaw is correct. I just tried this experiment. My bench grinder is not
mounted to a bench. I turned on the grinder and made sure I was looking at
it correctly as far as the rotation being the same as the prop. The right side
of the grinder is like the front of the airplane. You definitely get a big
yaw to the right when you lower the tail, at least on a grinder!
Dan N766DH RV-7A almost done in N. IN
In a message dated 2/4/04 12:46:09 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
linenwool@comcast.net writes:
> Subj: RE: RV-List: Taildraggers and X wind landings
> Date: 2/4/04 12:46:09 AM US Eastern Standard Time
> From: linenwool@comcast.net
> Reply-to: rv-list@matronics.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will &Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
>
> I agree that at idle power this would be negligible but the applied force
> when lowering the tail is on the bottom of the prop and so the resultant
> force 90 ahead in the plane of rotation will be on the left side, causing
> the plane to yaw to the right.
>
> -Will Allen
> North Bend, WA
> RV8 wings
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alex Peterson
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Taildraggers and X wind landings
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
> >
> >Additionally, the gyroscopic effect of lowering the tail
> >could cause a right yaw.
> >
>
> Actually, this would cause a left yaw. However, at idle power, I suspect
> it is trivial.
>
> Alex Peterson
> Maple Grove, MN
> RV6-A N66AP 435 hours
> www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS or Anywheremap |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Boyce, Ph.D." <matronicspost@csg-i.com>
I have the AnywhereMap product but have yet to fly with it. No doubt about
it, it is very feature rich.
One problem I was having on the ground was being able to see the display on
my Ipaq 3950. Even with the screen set to full brightness, the outdoor glare
was just too much for me. Trying to solve the problem by wearing polarized
sunglasses just turns the screen to black--cannot see anything at all. These
PDAs were simply not designed for sunny outdoor use. I was ready to throw in
the towel and find another product until I found a screen overlay which
dramatically reduced the glare. The display is now useable. I highly
recommend the overlay. I can now wear my sunglasses and see the screen.
The screen overlay is made by Boxwave, costs $12.95
http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/index.htm
Regards,
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:Landing Light-What Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I put landing lights in both wings. I want to see what's out there,not just
put them in for snob appeal.
I have made night landings on roads,dry lake beds,etc. If I ever have to make
a forced night landing I want all the light I can get. Two anti aircraft
searchlights would be nice !!
If one fails the other will get me down about where I want to be.
My opinion,
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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--> RV-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Fellow pilots,
After being a CFI for over 40 years, 25,000 hours my comments are as
follows, which I'm sure many of you will agree with more experience than me:
~~If you can tell the items mentioned below the X-wind is more stable than
the atmosphere will ever be, especially if blowing enough to matter. Wind
tunnel theories are great, but in real life~~things aren't always what they seem
or
what you expect!
Randy did an excellent job as thankfully no one was injured!
Elbie
EAA 38308
Is there a best cross wind direction for landing a taildragger?
A right cross wind is best for takeoff, because the wind tends to counter the
following inherent aerodynamic yaw tendencies:
Slipstream effect
Torque reaction
Gyroscopic precession,
Asymmetric blade effect
But, how about landing?
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:Landing Light-What Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rvsearey@aol.com
In a message dated 02/04/2004 12:29:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Oldsfolks@aol.com writes:
> I put landing lights in both wings
Bob, I agree, I've got two of your landing lites on my RV-4 and I added the
Pulse Lite to them. The Pulse Lite adds only ounces and really aids daytime
recognition. By the way do you still sell the landing lights? I'd like to put
them on the RV-7 that I'm planning to build.
Dan Decker, RV-4
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| Subject: | Flying RVs with Disabilities |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Stoffel <rickstoffel@sbcglobal.net>
Hello all,
I am building an RV-4. I recently met a man who is interested in building an RV-9A,
but only has limited use of his legs due to an earlier case of Polio. He
was wondering about building an RV with hand controls for rudder and brake controls.
I remember reading an article a few years ago (I think it was in Sport
Aviation magazine) concerning a man who had no use of his legs, but was still
able to build and fly an RV-6 using only his hands for all primary controls.
Two questions. Does anyone have the date of that magazine with this article.
Also, does anyone out there have any other knowledge on this topic (i.e. building
an RV with hand controls for the rudders and brakes). Any info you have would
be greatly appreciated - I will pass it on to this man when I get it. Thanks
in advance,
Rick (finishing RV-4 wings)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying RVs with Disabilities |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 10:51 2004-02-04, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Stoffel <rickstoffel@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Hello all,
>
>I am building an RV-4. I recently met a man who is interested in building
>an RV-9A, but only has limited use of his legs due to an earlier case of
>Polio. He was wondering about building an RV with hand controls for
>rudder and brake controls. I remember reading an article a few years ago
>(I think it was in Sport Aviation magazine) concerning a man who had no
>use of his legs, but was still able to build and fly an RV-6 using only
>his hands for all primary controls.
>Two questions. Does anyone have the date of that magazine with this
>article. Also, does anyone out there have any other knowledge on this
>topic (i.e. building an RV with hand controls for the rudders and
>brakes). Any info you have would be greatly appreciated - I will pass it
>on to this man when I get it. Thanks in advance,
>
>Rick (finishing RV-4 wings)
His name is Carl Hay, formerly of the Home Wing and EAA chapter 105 in
Portland, OR. You can probably search EAAs web site for an article about
him. I remember the article but not the issue.
It's not any earlier than 1995. P-)
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Re: Flying RVs with Disabilities |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Rick:
MAY 1996
61 Climbing Everest Mastering an RV-6 With Hand Controls Only-Carl Hay
The pilot's name is Carl Hay. Here is a photo of his cockpit.
http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Scans/RV/896pnl1.jpg
I took a disabled pilot flying in an RV-4 a couple of years ago. He has full
use of his upper body but limited use of his legs. He felt that he could
manage the -4 with a modification such as Carl's. However, the -6 is a better
candidate for that because it has more room in the cockpit. Carl's system uses
two levers where the center console normally goes, which control brakes and
rudder.
The pilot I flew with is a wheelchair athlete and has tremendous upper body
strength. He was able to get in and out of the -4 without difficulty.
However, a less athletic person might find that unmanagable.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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| Subject: | Re: Flying RVs with Disabilities |
--> RV-List message posted by: Blanton Fortson <blanton@alaska.net>
Check out ...
http://www.wheelchairaviators.org/
The hand controls are not much of issue. Many people fly with hand
controls only. The more difficult part with an RV may be entry and
egress. Whether the aircraft is high wing or low wing, a door on the
side of the aircraft is usually easier to get into or out of for a
person with disabilities than an aircraft with a canopy/hatch entry.
I have a friend who flies with hand controls in his V-35 Bonanza. The
trailing edge of the wing is roughly at the height of his wheelchair
cushion. He is able to transfer onto the trailing edge of the wing, and
scoot on his butt up to the door. The doorsill and front seats are
almost flush with the wing so he does not have too much difficulty
inserting his legs into the cockpit and scooting over into the left
seat. He's a T-6 para, I believe. He and the Bonanza are a good fit.
B.
On Feb 4, 2004, at 9:51 AM, Richard Stoffel wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Stoffel
> <rickstoffel@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am building an RV-4. I recently met a man who is interested in
> building an RV-9A, but only has limited use of his legs due to an
> earlier case of Polio. He was wondering about building an RV with
> hand controls for rudder and brake controls. I remember reading an
> article a few years ago (I think it was in Sport Aviation magazine)
> concerning a man who had no use of his legs, but was still able to
> build and fly an RV-6 using only his hands for all primary controls.
> Two questions. Does anyone have the date of that magazine with this
> article. Also, does anyone out there have any other knowledge on this
> topic (i.e. building an RV with hand controls for the rudders and
> brakes). Any info you have would be greatly appreciated - I will pass
> it on to this man when I get it. Thanks in advance,
>
> Rick (finishing RV-4 wings)
>
>
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| Subject: | Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press speeds |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Have many people ordered big tools from Harbor Freight and had good luck? I
ordered the 12 speed 10" drill press that seemed like a really good deal but
when it arrived, the box was in bad shape so I inspected the parts. It
seemed all right except a small dent in the back of the motor so I put it
together. The directions were terrible and I'm positive all the drawings in
the manual were done by a 2 year old. It also referenced parts that didn't
exist, not even in the parts list. After putting it together, the motor
didn't work. I called them and the tech guy went through different options
to solve the problem which the best and fastest was to refund this one and
order a new one and he would send out a label for shipping this back. I
liked the option and he said he would take care of it. So I spent a week
and a half waiting for the label so I could send this drill press back and
when I called to check on it, there was no refund and a new drill press had
not been ordered. To further the delay on this, the drill press is now back
ordered for another 2 weeks so I'm having them just send me a label so I can
at least send this piece of junk back and get a refund and then decide what
to do about still being in need of a drill press.
So since this is my first experience with Harbor Freight, is this typical if
you want the extremely low prices they seem to offer or are they worth
another chance and this was an isolated incident?
Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that I need 12 speeds but
because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might come in handy when
drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds seem to only go down to 650
RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I could buy it locally, will I
have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM and burn up bits faster or
will it not really be a problem or does the slow 250 RPM come in handy in
other situations that I'm not thinking of?
Thanks,
-Will Allen
North Bend, WA
RV8 wings
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Bruce Cruikshank of KS Avionics in Hayward California ( www.ksavionics.com
/ ksa1@flash.net ) is a Viet Vet who lost both of his legs. He built and
fly's an RV 4, "Cover Girl". I had the honor to meet him and his wife at
OSH 03. I can't remember his set-up, but I am sure he could assist you.
Glenn in Arizona -9A Wings, fuselage ordered.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Stoffel" <rickstoffel@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RV-List: Flying RVs with Disabilities
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Stoffel <rickstoffel@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am building an RV-4. I recently met a man who is interested in building
an RV-9A, but only has limited use of his legs due to an earlier case of
Polio. He was wondering about building an RV with hand controls for rudder
and brake controls. I remember reading an article a few years ago (I think
it was in Sport Aviation magazine) concerning a man who had no use of his
legs, but was still able to build and fly an RV-6 using only his hands for
all primary controls.
> Two questions. Does anyone have the date of that magazine with this
article. Also, does anyone out there have any other knowledge on this topic
(i.e. building an RV with hand controls for the rudders and brakes). Any
info you have would be greatly appreciated - I will pass it on to this man
when I get it. Thanks in advance,
>
> Rick (finishing RV-4 wings)
>
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| Subject: | Taildraggers and X wind landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> Right yaw is correct. I just tried this experiment. My
> bench grinder is not
> mounted to a bench. I turned on the grinder and made sure I
> was looking at
> it correctly as far as the rotation being the same as the
> prop. The right side
> of the grinder is like the front of the airplane. You
> definitely get a big
> yaw to the right when you lower the tail, at least on a grinder!
>
> Dan N766DH RV-7A almost done in N. IN
I stand corrected. Various instructors over the years have been wrong
(I'm a victim). Several have told me that when the (tri-gear) airplane
is rotated on takeoff, that three factors will pull the nose to the
left. First is the twisting airflow hitting the vertical (this
obviously happens during the takeoff roll before rotation also). Second
is the fact that when the airplane is at a larger angle of attack, as is
the case just after rotation, the downward (right hand side) prop blades
are at a larger angle of attack and therefore pull more, causing a
leftward yaw moment. Thirdly, as the nose came up during rotation,
gyroscopic forces will also cause the nose to veer left. This last
factor apparently was incorrect. Indeed, it counteracts the first two
forces somewhat during the actual period of rotation.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 436 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
With tools, you get what you pay for, in my opinion. Harbour freight is
great for disposable air tools, a few name brand tools, and consumables like
rags and rubber gloves. I don't think I would buy any power tools or shop
tools there. Some things are a great buy, but most of it is junk. I've
seen alot of tawianese oil covered, instructions written on rice paper from
places like that. I know exactly of what you are talking about. That's the
stuff you pretty much want to avoid. I was lucky that I have a H.F. store a
few miles away, so I could see what I was buying.
I do own a couple of harbour freight air tools. What can you expect for a
die grinder that is $20? It lasted my entire RV-6A project and is still
going strong. So, there are indeed some quality cheap tools that even if
they fail, they are disposable at that price.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press
speeds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
<linenwool@comcast.net>
>
> Have many people ordered big tools from Harbor Freight and had good luck?
I
> ordered the 12 speed 10" drill press that seemed like a really good deal
but
> when it arrived, the box was in bad shape so I inspected the parts. It
> seemed all right except a small dent in the back of the motor so I put it
> together. The directions were terrible and I'm positive all the drawings
in
> the manual were done by a 2 year old. It also referenced parts that didn't
> exist, not even in the parts list. After putting it together, the motor
> didn't work. I called them and the tech guy went through different
options
> to solve the problem which the best and fastest was to refund this one and
> order a new one and he would send out a label for shipping this back. I
> liked the option and he said he would take care of it. So I spent a week
> and a half waiting for the label so I could send this drill press back and
> when I called to check on it, there was no refund and a new drill press
had
> not been ordered. To further the delay on this, the drill press is now
back
> ordered for another 2 weeks so I'm having them just send me a label so I
can
> at least send this piece of junk back and get a refund and then decide
what
> to do about still being in need of a drill press.
>
>
> So since this is my first experience with Harbor Freight, is this typical
if
> you want the extremely low prices they seem to offer or are they worth
> another chance and this was an isolated incident?
>
>
> Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that I need 12 speeds but
> because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might come in handy when
> drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds seem to only go down to 650
> RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I could buy it locally, will
I
> have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM and burn up bits faster
or
> will it not really be a problem or does the slow 250 RPM come in handy in
> other situations that I'm not thinking of?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> -Will Allen
>
> North Bend, WA
>
> RV8 wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill |
press speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
I haven't ordered anything big from Harbor Freight so I cannot comment
on that issue. However, regarding the speeds of the drill press, you
will want low speeds when you do flycutting to cut large holes in ribs,
etc. 650 RPM is a little too high for comfort when using a flycutter.
Dick Tasker, 90573
fuselage
Will & Lynda Allen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
>
>Have many people ordered big tools from Harbor Freight and had good luck? I
>ordered the 12 speed 10" drill press that seemed like a really good deal but
>when it arrived, the box was in bad shape so I inspected the parts. It
>seemed all right except a small dent in the back of the motor so I put it
>together. The directions were terrible and I'm positive all the drawings in
>the manual were done by a 2 year old. It also referenced parts that didn't
>exist, not even in the parts list. After putting it together, the motor
>didn't work. I called them and the tech guy went through different options
>to solve the problem which the best and fastest was to refund this one and
>order a new one and he would send out a label for shipping this back. I
>liked the option and he said he would take care of it. So I spent a week
>and a half waiting for the label so I could send this drill press back and
>when I called to check on it, there was no refund and a new drill press had
>not been ordered. To further the delay on this, the drill press is now back
>ordered for another 2 weeks so I'm having them just send me a label so I can
>at least send this piece of junk back and get a refund and then decide what
>to do about still being in need of a drill press.
>
>
>So since this is my first experience with Harbor Freight, is this typical if
>you want the extremely low prices they seem to offer or are they worth
>another chance and this was an isolated incident?
>
>
>Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that I need 12 speeds but
>because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might come in handy when
>drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds seem to only go down to 650
>RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I could buy it locally, will I
>have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM and burn up bits faster or
>will it not really be a problem or does the slow 250 RPM come in handy in
>other situations that I'm not thinking of?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>-Will Allen
>
>North Bend, WA
>
>RV8 wings
>
>
>
>
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speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Yes indeed. I have a HF store nearby as well so I can check on items that
look too good to be true. It's a great place for wrenches, sockets and such
that you can bend, grind, tweak and adapt to the many unique situations
airplane building places upon us. It's pretty cool to load up a small cart
with hand tools, rags, cutoff discs, screwdrivers, gadgets and doo-dads and
be out the door for under fifty bucks.
For larger power tools, I'd stay away, in general. For bandsaws, bench
grinders and drill presses, I've had good luck with Craftsman. I did buy a
floor standing drill press (variable speed) from a traveling snake oil tool
show. It's clunky, Taiwanese type stuff, but has not let me down yet. It
can be belted down quite slow for running a fly cutter.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51 HS
>
>With tools, you get what you pay for, in my opinion. Harbour freight is
>great for disposable air tools, a few name brand tools, and consumables
>like
>rags and rubber gloves. I don't think I would buy any power tools or shop
>tools there. Some things are a great buy, but most of it is junk. I've
>seen alot of tawianese oil covered, instructions written on rice paper from
>places like that. I know exactly of what you are talking about. That's
>the
>stuff you pretty much want to avoid. I was lucky that I have a H.F. store
>a
>few miles away, so I could see what I was buying.
>
>I do own a couple of harbour freight air tools. What can you expect for a
>die grinder that is $20? It lasted my entire RV-6A project and is still
>going strong. So, there are indeed some quality cheap tools that even if
>they fail, they are disposable at that price.
>
>Paul Besing
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| Subject: | Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press |
speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Will & Lynda Allen was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
>
> Have many people ordered big tools from Harbor Freight and had good luck? I
> ordered the 12 speed 10" drill press that seemed like a really good deal but
> when it arrived, the box was in bad shape so I inspected the parts. It
> seemed all right except a small dent in the back of the motor so I put it
> together.
I bought a large drill press from them. It arrived via UPS, in pieces strewn
across the front yard. Dented and dinged, but I put it together and it worked
just fine. It's been working great for three years now. It's a good tool.
> The directions were terrible and I'm positive all the drawings in
> the manual were done by a 2 year old. It also referenced parts that didn't
> exist, not even in the parts list. After putting it together, the motor
> didn't work.
I have never had this experience with Harbor Freight.
> So since this is my first experience with Harbor Freight, is this typical if
> you want the extremely low prices they seem to offer or are they worth
> another chance and this was an isolated incident?
Harbor Freight isn't, say, Sears or Snap-On, but really my experience with
them has always been positive, and I've given them a great deal of my money.
The only thing that ever failed on me was a hand finishing sander whose motor
burnt out. They took it back without any question whatsoever.
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Re:Tools from Harbor Freight,etc. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I bought a power hacksaw/bandsaw from Harbor Freight in 1982 and have built
two RV-4's and numerous other projects with it. I have bought other things from
them which have worked out well.
You must realize that they don't have Snap-On Tool quality. Their stuff is
cheap but if cheap will do the job,then it's OK I guess.
If you have to use a fly-cutter to cut lightening holes then the real slow
drill press speed is worth a lot. A foot switch for the drill press is really
good with a fly-cutter. I also have one on my belt sander.
My opinion,
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press |
speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
I've only had one experience with Harbor Freight and it was a positive
one (nice grinder). However, I have several experiences purchasing some
of the inexpensive knockoff's import tools (i.e. Bandsaw, Drill Press,
etc.) and the experience is/was not positive. I can not count the
number of email inquiries I've had from people looking to locate parts
for their band saws and drill presses. They do internet searches and
come across my site since I have the models listed. Unfortunately I can
not help them because I don't have any contact information in the
manuals I got. My guess is that this is a problem with many of the
import tools out there.
Since my initial purchase of these tools, I've changed my physolophy. I
have had good luck searching out machine tool re-sellers and getting
quality used tools at affordable prices. You have to take care that
some of these tools that are 20 or 30 years old are in good condition
but, if they are, you can bet they'll probably last another 20 years in
my garage. For the price of a high quality, new drill press where you
still have to change the belts by hand to change the speeds. Instead,
look around and you can find an old Clausing variable speed drill press
for about the same price and you'll be much happier. You get standard
spindle tapers and can get plenty of attachments.
One other example. I recently bought two countersink cages of the ball
bearing type for $5.00/ea. I should have bought the guys whole stock
and sold them on eBay. Were they dirty and scratched up? Yes. Do they
work fine. You bet. I can not believe I've been using the bushing type
countersink cage all this time.
My $.02
Do not archive.
Mike Nellis
RV-6 Skinning Fuselage N699BM
1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K
http://bmnellis.com
*** -----Original Message-----
*** From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
*** [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
*** Will & Lynda Allen
*** Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:16 PM
*** To: rv-list@matronics.com
*** Subject: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight
*** and drill press speeds
***
***
*** --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
*** --> <linenwool@comcast.net>
***
*** Have many people ordered big tools from Harbor Freight and
*** had good luck? I ordered the 12 speed 10" drill press that
*** seemed like a really good deal but when it arrived, the box
*** was in bad shape so I inspected the parts. It seemed all
*** right except a small dent in the back of the motor so I put
*** it together. The directions were terrible and I'm positive
*** all the drawings in the manual were done by a 2 year old.
*** It also referenced parts that didn't exist, not even in the
*** parts list. After putting it together, the motor didn't
*** work. I called them and the tech guy went through
*** different options to solve the problem which the best and
*** fastest was to refund this one and order a new one and he
*** would send out a label for shipping this back. I liked the
*** option and he said he would take care of it. So I spent a
*** week and a half waiting for the label so I could send this
*** drill press back and when I called to check on it, there
*** was no refund and a new drill press had not been ordered.
*** To further the delay on this, the drill press is now back
*** ordered for another 2 weeks so I'm having them just send me
*** a label so I can at least send this piece of junk back and
*** get a refund and then decide what to do about still being
*** in need of a drill press.
***
***
*** So since this is my first experience with Harbor Freight,
*** is this typical if you want the extremely low prices they
*** seem to offer or are they worth another chance and this was
*** an isolated incident?
***
***
*** Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that I need
*** 12 speeds but because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which
*** might come in handy when drilling steel, or bigger holes.
*** The 5 speeds seem to only go down to 650
*** RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I could buy
*** it locally, will I
*** have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM and burn
*** up bits faster or will it not really be a problem or does
*** the slow 250 RPM come in handy in other situations that I'm
*** not thinking of?
***
***
*** Thanks,
***
***
*** -Will Allen
***
*** North Bend, WA
***
*** RV8 wings
***
***
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*** Matronics Forums.
*** ==============
*** ==============
*** ==============
***
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speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Becker" <ctbecker@charter.net>
I got their 4.5HP 21 Gal compressor for 169 (including shipping). It came
in the box with the "this side up" pointing down. Needless to say the oil
had leaked out all over the box, the packing material and my concrete patio!
I cleaned it up, added oil and it runs like a champ.
Charles Becker
N474CB - RV8A
Wings on order
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill
press speeds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> Yes indeed. I have a HF store nearby as well so I can check on items that
> look too good to be true. It's a great place for wrenches, sockets and
such
> that you can bend, grind, tweak and adapt to the many unique situations
> airplane building places upon us. It's pretty cool to load up a small
cart
> with hand tools, rags, cutoff discs, screwdrivers, gadgets and doo-dads
and
> be out the door for under fifty bucks.
>
> For larger power tools, I'd stay away, in general. For bandsaws, bench
> grinders and drill presses, I've had good luck with Craftsman. I did buy
a
> floor standing drill press (variable speed) from a traveling snake oil
tool
> show. It's clunky, Taiwanese type stuff, but has not let me down yet. It
> can be belted down quite slow for running a fly cutter.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51 HS
> >
> >With tools, you get what you pay for, in my opinion. Harbour freight is
> >great for disposable air tools, a few name brand tools, and consumables
> >like
> >rags and rubber gloves. I don't think I would buy any power tools or
shop
> >tools there. Some things are a great buy, but most of it is junk. I've
> >seen alot of tawianese oil covered, instructions written on rice paper
from
> >places like that. I know exactly of what you are talking about. That's
> >the
> >stuff you pretty much want to avoid. I was lucky that I have a H.F.
store
> >a
> >few miles away, so I could see what I was buying.
> >
> >I do own a couple of harbour freight air tools. What can you expect for
a
> >die grinder that is $20? It lasted my entire RV-6A project and is still
> >going strong. So, there are indeed some quality cheap tools that even if
> >they fail, they are disposable at that price.
> >
> >Paul Besing
>
> Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee.
>
>
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press speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
My experience has been just the opposite.
Problem 1: The plastic welder burned out after about 15 minutes of
use. Label came in a few days and back it went ..... they paid the
shipping. New one arived a few days after that.
Problem 2: I ordered the set of 5 high speed burrs. When they arrived,
the plastic case was broken. I emailed customer service and they sent
another set ..... no return label! The case was broken on that set
too! Another email, and another set, which also had a broken case .....
but this one had been taped together! I emailed again, and they wanted
to know if I wanted another set. I emailed back that I hadn't wanted to
corner the market on burrs, and that I'd make do whith what I had. She
sent me a knife set gratis (good set .... even if you bought it!!!) as
an apology for the problems.
Linn
do not archive
Will & Lynda Allen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
>
>Have many people ordered big tools from Harbor Freight and had good luck? I
>ordered the 12 speed 10" drill press that seemed like a really good deal but
>when it arrived, the box was in bad shape so I inspected the parts. It
>seemed all right except a small dent in the back of the motor so I put it
>together. The directions were terrible and I'm positive all the drawings in
>the manual were done by a 2 year old. It also referenced parts that didn't
>exist, not even in the parts list. After putting it together, the motor
>didn't work. I called them and the tech guy went through different options
>to solve the problem which the best and fastest was to refund this one and
>order a new one and he would send out a label for shipping this back. I
>liked the option and he said he would take care of it. So I spent a week
>and a half waiting for the label so I could send this drill press back and
>when I called to check on it, there was no refund and a new drill press had
>not been ordered. To further the delay on this, the drill press is now back
>ordered for another 2 weeks so I'm having them just send me a label so I can
>at least send this piece of junk back and get a refund and then decide what
>to do about still being in need of a drill press.
>
>
>So since this is my first experience with Harbor Freight, is this typical if
>you want the extremely low prices they seem to offer or are they worth
>another chance and this was an isolated incident?
>
>
>Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that I need 12 speeds but
>because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might come in handy when
>drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds seem to only go down to 650
>RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I could buy it locally, will I
>have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM and burn up bits faster or
>will it not really be a problem or does the slow 250 RPM come in handy in
>other situations that I'm not thinking of?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>-Will Allen
>
>North Bend, WA
>
>RV8 wings
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press |
speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Paul Besing was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> tools there. Some things are a great buy, but most of it is junk. I've
> seen alot of tawianese oil covered, instructions written on rice paper from
> places like that.
Everything I've bought from Harbor Freight, from my drill press to my mitre saw,
from my air chuck to a cast iron pot has come with a standardized set of instructions/
warranty/docs. They all have a diagram of the product, disclaimers, information
on
using/breaking in/etc, parts diagrams, exploded views, etc.
Yes, even the cast-iron dutch oven.
> I do own a couple of harbour freight air tools. What can you expect for a
> die grinder that is $20? It lasted my entire RV-6A project and is still
> going strong. So, there are indeed some quality cheap tools that even if
> they fail, they are disposable at that price.
Most of Harbor Freight's stuff is fairly decent quality. Some of it is better
quality, by far, than more expensive 'budget' brand tools. A lot of it is
good for day-in, day-out use.
I have been very pleased with Harbor Freight.
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light - What Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
I have one 55w light in the left wing of my RV-6. My experience is that one
55w light is extremely marginal, and the lack of visibility greatly
increases the pucker factor on night landings. I'd be much more comfortable
flying at night if I was happier with my landing light situation. I plan to
buy the 100w upgrade bulb the next time I run by the auto parts store. My
recommendation is to outfit both wings with lights and go with 100w bulbs in
each wing.
Rationalizing that "I don't need much light because I don't fly much at
night." is a bad way to go. When you need light, you need it. Halfway
measures are not a good choice.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Landing Light - What Wing
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> Hi Karie. Love of simplicity motivated me to put a single Duckworth
landing light in the right wingtip of my RV8A. I reasoned that the 55W
halogen light would provide sufficient illumination for very infrequent
nighttime operations that would be conducted to lighted airports. I fly for
pleasure, not necessity. In addition, the level taxi attitude would bring
the light closer to the airplane while the nose high landing attitude would
place the light further off thus eliminating the need for dual taxi/landing
lights. The choice of right wing was motivated by a desire to minimize
holes in the wing ribs. The left wing has the 1/4" pitot line while the
right wing has the antenna/landing light wiring. Symmetry of the airplane
would indicate no lighting difference between left versus right wing
locations. If you anticipate frequent nightime operations where you might
be forced into an unlighted field, or your homebase isn't lighted, you
should have as much light as you can !
> get. Not flying yet though so ....
>
> Dave Reel - RV8A
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark/Micki Phillips" <mphill@gcctv.com>
Ive bought many of tools from many manufactuers and Ive never regretted
buyin a good tool, but Ive always regretted buying a cheap tool. We have a
Harbor Freight Store here and Im not impressed with the precision tools they
offer. The bending brakes, in my opinion, are of inferior quality. Ill go
with expensvie tools that I know I'll be happy with for years to come. Just
my opinion. Flame away.
Mark Phillips
Williamsville,Illinois
RV-6 Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill
press speeds
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
>
> I haven't ordered anything big from Harbor Freight so I cannot comment
> on that issue. However, regarding the speeds of the drill press, you
> will want low speeds when you do flycutting to cut large holes in ribs,
> etc. 650 RPM is a little too high for comfort when using a flycutter.
>
> Dick Tasker, 90573
> fuselage
>
> Will & Lynda Allen wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
<linenwool@comcast.net>
> >
> >Have many people ordered big tools from Harbor Freight and had good luck?
I
> >ordered the 12 speed 10" drill press that seemed like a really good deal
but
> >when it arrived, the box was in bad shape so I inspected the parts. It
> >seemed all right except a small dent in the back of the motor so I put it
> >together. The directions were terrible and I'm positive all the drawings
in
> >the manual were done by a 2 year old. It also referenced parts that
didn't
> >exist, not even in the parts list. After putting it together, the motor
> >didn't work. I called them and the tech guy went through different
options
> >to solve the problem which the best and fastest was to refund this one
and
> >order a new one and he would send out a label for shipping this back. I
> >liked the option and he said he would take care of it. So I spent a week
> >and a half waiting for the label so I could send this drill press back
and
> >when I called to check on it, there was no refund and a new drill press
had
> >not been ordered. To further the delay on this, the drill press is now
back
> >ordered for another 2 weeks so I'm having them just send me a label so I
can
> >at least send this piece of junk back and get a refund and then decide
what
> >to do about still being in need of a drill press.
> >
> >
> >So since this is my first experience with Harbor Freight, is this typical
if
> >you want the extremely low prices they seem to offer or are they worth
> >another chance and this was an isolated incident?
> >
> >
> >Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that I need 12 speeds but
> >because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might come in handy when
> >drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds seem to only go down to
650
> >RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I could buy it locally,
will I
> >have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM and burn up bits faster
or
> >will it not really be a problem or does the slow 250 RPM come in handy in
> >other situations that I'm not thinking of?
> >
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >
> >-Will Allen
> >
> >North Bend, WA
> >
> >RV8 wings
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Hi Will,
I bought a metal cutting bandsaw from them. The fit and finish is not
perfect, but it seems to be a serviceable machine so far. Some of my
Bearhawk compadres recommended this particular saw. The instructions were
obviously written by someone for whom English is not the first language. In
your case, I would still try to get a drill press that goes at least as slow
as 500 rpm so that you can use a flycutter etc.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press
speeds
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
<linenwool@comcast.net>
>
> SNIP>
> Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that I need 12 speeds but
> because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might come in handy when
> drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds seem to only go down to 650
> RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I could buy it locally, will
I
> have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM and burn up bits faster
or
> will it not really be a problem or does the slow 250 RPM come in handy in
> other situations that I'm not thinking of?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> -Will Allen
>
> North Bend, WA
>
> RV8 wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Randy's insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> Please keep us up to speed about the treatment you get from your insurance
> company. It's only fair to give them free advertising for the great
service I'm
> sure they're going to give you. On the very remote chance they might not,
> well, I guess we could use that info also. You have to love the
internet...
>
> Best Regards,
> Jerry Cochran
> Wilsonville, OR
Will do. I have guys from Van's coming this weekend for an
inspection/assessment for the adjuster, then the adjuster says he's coming
up next week. We'll see.
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Taildraggers and X wind landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <aflyer@direcway.com>
Alex, your instructors were correct. So is Dan. When you lift the tail, the
nose goes left. When you lower the tail, nose goes right.
American, non geared engines.
John Huft
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Taildraggers and X wind landings
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
>
> > Right yaw is correct. I just tried this experiment. My
> > bench grinder is not
> > mounted to a bench. I turned on the grinder and made sure I
> > was looking at
> > it correctly as far as the rotation being the same as the
> > prop. The right side
> > of the grinder is like the front of the airplane. You
> > definitely get a big
> > yaw to the right when you lower the tail, at least on a grinder!
> >
> > Dan N766DH RV-7A almost done in N. IN
>
> I stand corrected. Various instructors over the years have been wrong
> (I'm a victim). Several have told me that when the (tri-gear) airplane
> is rotated on takeoff, that three factors will pull the nose to the
> left. First is the twisting airflow hitting the vertical (this
> obviously happens during the takeoff roll before rotation also). Second
> is the fact that when the airplane is at a larger angle of attack, as is
> the case just after rotation, the downward (right hand side) prop blades
> are at a larger angle of attack and therefore pull more, causing a
> leftward yaw moment. Thirdly, as the nose came up during rotation,
> gyroscopic forces will also cause the nose to veer left. This last
> factor apparently was incorrect. Indeed, it counteracts the first two
> forces somewhat during the actual period of rotation.
>
> Alex Peterson
> Maple Grove, MN
> RV6-A N66AP 436 hours
> www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin <rlundin46@yahoo.com>
My wife works for Enco. They sell machines, tools, and
shop supplies, at very low prices. The web site is
www.use-enco.com. Give them a look. I'll see if I can
talk her into a promotion code. Free shipping discount
something like that. It's another source for tools
etc.
Rick Lundin
RV-8 tail
wings soon
--- "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P.
> Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Hi Will,
>
> I bought a metal cutting bandsaw from them. The fit
> and finish is not
> perfect, but it seems to be a serviceable machine so
> far. Some of my
> Bearhawk compadres recommended this particular saw.
> The instructions were
> obviously written by someone for whom English is not
> the first language. In
> your case, I would still try to get a drill press
> that goes at least as slow
> as 500 rpm so that you can use a flycutter etc.
>
> Doc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor
> Freight and drill press
> speeds
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda
> Allen"
> <linenwool@comcast.net>
> >
> > SNIP>
> > Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that
> I need 12 speeds but
> > because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might
> come in handy when
> > drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds
> seem to only go down to 650
> > RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I
> could buy it locally, will
> I
> > have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM
> and burn up bits faster
> or
> > will it not really be a problem or does the slow
> 250 RPM come in handy in
> > other situations that I'm not thinking of?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > -Will Allen
> >
> > North Bend, WA
> >
> > RV8 wings
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
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>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light - What Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
There isn't much use for a light in the right wing unless you're sitting
in the right seat. With a tandem airplane it doesn't make much
difference but with side by side seating you need to have it on the
side that you'll be sitting on.
Dave
Karie Daniel wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
>Last summer I bought 2 of the Duckworks landing light kits. After getting the
first one installed I decided one light and cutting a hole in one perfectly good
wing would be enough. After looking at some RV pics lately I've noticed most
kits with only one landing light mount them in the right wing. Mine is in the
left.
>
>Is there a reason when installing only one landing light to install it in the
right wing? Is mounting a single light setup in the left a no no for any obvious
reason that I have overlooked? Should I just install another light in the right
wing now?
>
>Karie Daniel
>Sammamish, WA.
>RV-7A QB
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light - What Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
Thanks everyone for all of the replies. At least I haven't done anything I
shouldn't have by putting it in the left wing. Given the comments regarding
having one in each wing I might just go ahead and install one in the other
wing for max visibility and redundancy.
Thanks again,
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
Sammamish, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bristol" <bj034@lafn.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Landing Light - What Wing
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>
> There isn't much use for a light in the right wing unless you're sitting
> in the right seat. With a tandem airplane it doesn't make much
> difference but with side by side seating you need to have it on the
> side that you'll be sitting on.
>
> Dave
>
> Karie Daniel wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
> >
> >Last summer I bought 2 of the Duckworks landing light kits. After getting
the first one installed I decided one light and cutting a hole in one
perfectly good wing would be enough. After looking at some RV pics lately
I've noticed most kits with only one landing light mount them in the right
wing. Mine is in the left.
> >
> >Is there a reason when installing only one landing light to install it in
the right wing? Is mounting a single light setup in the left a no no for any
obvious reason that I have overlooked? Should I just install another light
in the right wing now?
> >
> >Karie Daniel
> >Sammamish, WA.
> >RV-7A QB
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I have found that their import drills and reamers to work very well. I also
bought some tooling for my lathe that is very good. Their dial calipers are
excellent.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter soon to be Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lundin" <rlundin46@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill
press speeds
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin <rlundin46@yahoo.com>
>
> My wife works for Enco. They sell machines, tools, and
> shop supplies, at very low prices. The web site is
> www.use-enco.com. Give them a look. I'll see if I can
> talk her into a promotion code. Free shipping discount
> something like that. It's another source for tools
> etc.
> Rick Lundin
> RV-8 tail
> wings soon
>
>
> --- "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P.
> > Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> >
> > Hi Will,
> >
> > I bought a metal cutting bandsaw from them. The fit
> > and finish is not
> > perfect, but it seems to be a serviceable machine so
> > far. Some of my
> > Bearhawk compadres recommended this particular saw.
> > The instructions were
> > obviously written by someone for whom English is not
> > the first language. In
> > your case, I would still try to get a drill press
> > that goes at least as slow
> > as 500 rpm so that you can use a flycutter etc.
> >
> > Doc
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor
> > Freight and drill press
> > speeds
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda
> > Allen"
> > <linenwool@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > SNIP>
> > > Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that
> > I need 12 speeds but
> > > because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might
> > come in handy when
> > > drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds
> > seem to only go down to 650
> > > RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I
> > could buy it locally, will
> > I
> > > have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM
> > and burn up bits faster
> > or
> > > will it not really be a problem or does the slow
> > 250 RPM come in handy in
> > > other situations that I'm not thinking of?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > -Will Allen
> > >
> > > North Bend, WA
> > >
> > > RV8 wings
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Had a look and I'll keep it in mind for future reference but I didn't see
what I was looking for in a drill press.
Thanks though :)
-Will
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Lundin
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill
press speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin <rlundin46@yahoo.com>
My wife works for Enco. They sell machines, tools, and
shop supplies, at very low prices. The web site is
www.use-enco.com. Give them a look. I'll see if I can
talk her into a promotion code. Free shipping discount
something like that. It's another source for tools
etc.
Rick Lundin
RV-8 tail
wings soon
--- "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P.
> Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Hi Will,
>
> I bought a metal cutting bandsaw from them. The fit
> and finish is not
> perfect, but it seems to be a serviceable machine so
> far. Some of my
> Bearhawk compadres recommended this particular saw.
> The instructions were
> obviously written by someone for whom English is not
> the first language. In
> your case, I would still try to get a drill press
> that goes at least as slow
> as 500 rpm so that you can use a flycutter etc.
>
> Doc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor
> Freight and drill press
> speeds
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda
> Allen"
> <linenwool@comcast.net>
> >
> > SNIP>
> > Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that
> I need 12 speeds but
> > because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might
> come in handy when
> > drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds
> seem to only go down to 650
> > RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I
> could buy it locally, will
> I
> > have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM
> and burn up bits faster
> or
> > will it not really be a problem or does the slow
> 250 RPM come in handy in
> > other situations that I'm not thinking of?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > -Will Allen
> >
> > North Bend, WA
> >
> > RV8 wings
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light - What Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
You can install mine in both wings without cutting the leading edges...
www.creativair.com
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Landing Light - What Wing
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
Thanks everyone for all of the replies. At least I haven't done anything I
shouldn't have by putting it in the left wing. Given the comments regarding
having one in each wing I might just go ahead and install one in the other
wing for max visibility and redundancy.
Thanks again,
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
Sammamish, WA
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| Subject: | Taildraggers and X wind landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> Alex, your instructors were correct. So is Dan. When you lift
> the tail, the nose goes left. When you lower the tail, nose
> goes right.
>
> American, non geared engines.
>
> John Huft
John, my instructors were wrong. What was said is that when one rotates
on takeoff, the nose will veer left from the gyroscopic precession of
the prop, adding a third left yawing component. Rotation implies tail
comes down. There would appear to be two components pulling left and
one pulling right during the rotation.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 436 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | EMI solution for Dynon? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
http://www.4emi.com
Has anybody seen or played with these? Sure seems like an incredibly
elegant way to go -- IF it works!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill press |
speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Sorry list, my bad....... this was just suppose to go to Richard Lundin....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will & Lynda Allen
Subject: RE: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill
press speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
Had a look and I'll keep it in mind for future reference but I didn't see
what I was looking for in a drill press.
Thanks though :)
-Will
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Lundin
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor Freight and drill
press speeds
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin <rlundin46@yahoo.com>
My wife works for Enco. They sell machines, tools, and
shop supplies, at very low prices. The web site is
www.use-enco.com. Give them a look. I'll see if I can
talk her into a promotion code. Free shipping discount
something like that. It's another source for tools
etc.
Rick Lundin
RV-8 tail
wings soon
--- "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P.
> Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Hi Will,
>
> I bought a metal cutting bandsaw from them. The fit
> and finish is not
> perfect, but it seems to be a serviceable machine so
> far. Some of my
> Bearhawk compadres recommended this particular saw.
> The instructions were
> obviously written by someone for whom English is not
> the first language. In
> your case, I would still try to get a drill press
> that goes at least as slow
> as 500 rpm so that you can use a flycutter etc.
>
> Doc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Ordering tools online from Harbor
> Freight and drill press
> speeds
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda
> Allen"
> <linenwool@comcast.net>
> >
> > SNIP>
> > Also, the reason I wanted the 12 speed wasn't that
> I need 12 speeds but
> > because the lowest speed was 250 RPM, which might
> come in handy when
> > drilling steel, or bigger holes. The 5 speeds
> seem to only go down to 650
> > RPM. If I were to just go with a 5 speed so I
> could buy it locally, will
> I
> > have trouble cutting thick steel parts at 650 RPM
> and burn up bits faster
> or
> > will it not really be a problem or does the slow
> 250 RPM come in handy in
> > other situations that I'm not thinking of?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > -Will Allen
> >
> > North Bend, WA
> >
> > RV8 wings
> >
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Folks,
I installed the new LCD version of the EZ pilot to beta test it in my 6
today and got a chance to fly it for a few minutes. The conditions were
fairly smooth but big white and black clouds with 5/8 coverage, and no haze
so it was really bright when in the sun.
The LCD works very well, the unit is very readable in cloud, sunlight,
sunlight ahead, sunlight behind, etc. In fact it works so well I found
myself relying on the TC data with my eye landing on it easily, and I
realized that I hadn't been doing that with the other one, or much with the
Navaid, which is also somewhat weak in sunlight.
It is contrast adjustable by turning the unit on with the display button
engaged, although I found that leaving it at the default "center" setting
worked fine.
The unit is far more usable as a flight instrument than it was before as
well as being a superior A/P vs. the Navaid.
I also found it was really easy to swap out for those of you with Navaids if
you can get a hand behind it. I released the mount screws took the old unit
out and then put the EZ pilot in turned around to tighten the connector
screws through the 3.125 hole, then screwed it in place. They include a
direct adaptor cable to work with your existing servo installation.
W
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Time: 05:06:47 AM PST US
Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Dynon EMI (different scenario)
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
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Dang Mike, that EMI problem is really getting out of hand isn't it.
;{)
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Rob,
Possibly you missed the point about dynamic flexing. I have tested this by
physically moving wheel alignment from toe in to toe out and back to see
what this does on several different airplanes, both tail draggers and nose
draggers.
The vector analysis breaks down for several reasons. One it depends a lot on
which type of aircraft you are talking about because the gear move to
different places as weight is added, and the force vector will shift and
rebound very differently depending on the type of suspension, ie flat
spring, round spring, oleo, rubber puck or bungee and direction of flexing
relative to the dynamic CG vector. Also this vector analysis only deals with
static balance IE the desire to return to straight ahead.
But this problem is really one of dynamic balance ie the desire to alter
oscillation rate, in this case the desire to increase or reduce the
oscillation rate of the dynamic CG vector from left to right. Statically
excessive toe in or toe out merely causes drag which is good for a nose gear
and bad for a tail dragger as you have described. But dynamically although
toe out causes the plane and heavy wheel to run away from its CG vector
causing a desire to stay straight ahead, the accumlative pull and gear flex
causes it to suddenly rebound thereby pointing CG vector to the other side
rapidly rather than controllably keeping it loaded in one direction until
the user changes it. (this is kinda tough to visiualize which is why I was
trying to avoid going there, you rotor heads will know this as ground
resonance) Straight ahead or slight toe in will prevent that unpredictable
rebound. This is felt as if the aircraft is hopping from one foot to the
other quickly, almost like rapid rudder movements with a little roll back
and forth. The whole airplane gets into it rather than the wheels getting
wiggley. Usually when a pilot squacks "squirrley" this is what I look for,
ie: large toe out as evidenced by sharp ridges on the outboard edges of the
tire tread ribs.
Ground loops are almost always the result over controlling to slowly (which
often starts as not enough input to late and digresses to too much input for
too long or too late). The lag and then sudden increase of input on top of
the aircraft dynamically rebounding due to toe out usually only takes one
oscillation to incur a full loop. (And yes I are one who has ground looped
more than once, and my heart and the pit of my stomach really go out to you
Randy, if you need any parts or a helping hand chirp up, I'm sure a lot of
us already builts would love the chance to jump in and help out)
Very slight toe out can also exacerbate this because of the lag caused by
the wheel shifting its track from toe out to toe in as it is side loaded if
the aircraft's gear geometery allow this, which the RVs do. It then gets
stiff and the users input from the tail is now felt very amplified but
again, too late.
The easiest way to see this aspect is to use your arm and fist to emulate
the RV gear and wheel. As weight is added that gear will flex backwards and
outwards. As it does this it will move it towards toe-in. If it is toed out,
then there will be a desire to pull further outwards which will then move
more towards toe in. if it gets to toe in or develops enough strain then the
wheel track will snap back in due to gear and tire flex and toe-in. It will
then move to toe out since it was orginally set there and repeat, usually
getting worse very fast. This is what causes the side to side wheel shimy
sometimes felt, and gets particularly rapid during hard braking. The braking
effect is because braking tries to cause toe out as the wheel is pulled
straight back, but added weight due to braking is trying to cause toe in as
the gear is pushed outwards, and the gear and tire start bouncing against
each other along with the aerodynamic forces on the wheel pant. If one of
those pulses times with shift in dynamic CG vector than they will be
additive which is really bad.
Hope I didn't get too crazy here, I can assure you I have tested and cured
this more times than I care to admit, and it seems to hold true for most
aircraft.
W
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