Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:31 AM - Re: Dynon -- they're workin' on it (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
2. 06:45 AM - Cowl Fitting & Plastic Disk (Pat Hatch)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: Dynon -- they're workin' on it (Paul Boyce, Ph.D.)
4. 09:17 AM - Dynon remote compass location (James Gray)
5. 09:21 AM - Van's Seat Cushion Set For Sale (Dfsund@aol.com)
6. 09:49 AM - Re: Logbook entry for aerobatics (Mike Robertson)
7. 10:24 AM - Composite instrument panel (Charles Brame)
8. 10:25 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (N13eer@aol.com)
9. 10:30 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Bill VonDane)
10. 10:40 AM - Re: Seat belts (Jim and Bev Cone)
11. 11:12 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Colt Seavers)
12. 12:13 PM - Re: Composite instrument panel (Darwin N. Barrie)
13. 12:51 PM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Doug Rozendaal)
14. 12:52 PM - Re: Composite instrument panel (Richard Meske)
15. 12:56 PM - Re: Composite instrument panel (Laird Owens)
16. 01:07 PM - Dynon and EMI (Jeff Point)
17. 01:16 PM - Re: Logbook entry for aerobatics (linn walters)
18. 01:26 PM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Bill VonDane)
19. 02:13 PM - hole for wing tie down (Leesafur@aol.com)
20. 02:15 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon and EMI (Dale Martin)
21. 02:20 PM - PCB panel (was: Composite instrument panel) (Bill Dube)
22. 02:33 PM - Re: Composite instrument panel (Bill VonDane)
23. 02:51 PM - Log Book entries (Wheeler North)
24. 03:30 PM - Re: hole for wing tie down (Harvey Sigmon)
25. 03:56 PM - Re: hole for wing tie down (RV8ter@aol.com)
26. 04:33 PM - Laird Owens, Composite instrument panel (cecilth@juno.com)
27. 05:06 PM - Re: hole for wing tie down (Leesafur@aol.com)
28. 05:24 PM - Entended range tanks (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
29. 05:29 PM - (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
30. 05:34 PM - Re: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
31. 07:30 PM - Re: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover (Richard E. Tasker)
32. 09:18 PM - Re: (Jeff Dowling)
33. 09:21 PM - Re: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover (Jeff Dowling)
34. 09:33 PM - tie down ring fairing (thomas a. sargent)
35. 09:56 PM - Re: tie down ring fairing (Jerry Springer)
36. 11:08 PM - Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Karie Daniel)
37. 11:18 PM - Re: tie down ring fairing (Mickey Coggins)
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| Subject: | Dynon -- they're workin' on it |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Dan good report.
And the OAT is a big deal. I want that upgrade big time.
TAS is an amazing number.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: RV-List: Dynon -- they're workin' on it
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
At the request of another builder, I'm posting a recent update from my
web
site here on the list. I'm probably repeating things that have already
been
discovered and stated by other builders (Sam, Paul, Kevin, etc.).
Anyway,
here's what I wrote last week for what it's worth... (Dynon, since
you're
listening, please correct me if I've misrepresented you in any way, for
which I apologize in advance!)
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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February 3, 2004
I spoke on the phone with Dynon engineering today. What I was told is
that
they are well aware of the issue and they're working on the fix as we
speak.
As best as they could describe it to me, the problem originates in the
remote compass (EDC-D10), is transmitted to the EFIS head via the
connecting
wires, and then the EFIS head bleeds interference into the rest of the
system by way of the wires connecting to the power bus(es). I spoke at
length with one engineer about the likely form of the fix, which is
probably
going to be a filter that plugs inline with the existing connector.
Essentially, the filter will plug into the EFIS, and the existing wire
harness will plug into the filter. When the engineer mentioned that the
filter may come in the form of a right-angle connector, I very strongly
endorsed it -- that's an ideal physical form. Due to the already deep
nature
of the instrument, and its proximity to the sub-panel, a right-angle
connector would definitely improve things (wires go straight down rather
than through the sub-panel). In any case, the engineer assured me that
this
issue is Dynon's top priority to resolve. I asked if Dynon would be
proactive about contacting customers when the fix is ready (which he
said
may be a month from now), and he said that it will most likely be
handled on
a those-who-call-in basis, because the problem isn't necessarily
widespread.
Again, it only seems to be a factor on installations using the EDC-D10
remote compass.
Ironically, I spoke with Dynon about their new OAT offering. They're
going
to charge something like $65 for the new OAT probe. Here's the
irony...the
OAT probe requires the external compass to be installed. The reason is
because they've "run out of pins" on the EFIS head (predictably, there's
only that one connector back there). So if you thought you were going to
get
away without the remote compass, think again. Think you can get away
without
OAT? Well, it's not just OAT. OAT provides the Dynon a means of
automatically calculating true airspeed, density altitude, etc. Kinda
useful! Will I be installing the OAT? Jeez, for 65 bucks it seems like
it
would be worth it to have on-screen automatic true airspeed. But...in my
case I've already got an OAT probe and digital reading on the ACS2002.
No,
the probe is not compatible, for whatever reason. So it'll be a toss-up
for
me as to whether I install a second OAT probe just to get the true
airspeed
and density altitude readout. We shall see. Let's first see how Dynon
responds to the EMI issue.
Now to some testing that I did. I had my suspicions about the radios,
the
antennas, the buses, etc., so I did my best to isolate the issue in my
own
installation. I basically tried every combination of antenna, bus, and
isolation of power. The only thing that made a difference was removing
the
Dynon's main and keep-alive power sources. When those two wires were
disconnected (I just pulled the fuses, it was easy), the COM issue
almost
disappeared. The NAV issue was definitely reduced, but the ILS signal
still
managed to be flagged intermittently. Could be that I'm on the ground in
a
closed hangar...but it did come back to life when I flipped the Dynon
off.
So power isolation does make a difference, but it doesn't resolve the
issue
completely (nor is it a viable solution). Swapping antennas didn't make
diddly worth of difference. Dimming the display doesn't do squat (as I
mentioned it's the remote compass feeding EMI, not radiation from the
display, as far as I know).
Well, I wasted a morning toying around with the Dynon and stuff, and my
conclusion (if you can call it that) is that I'm waiting for Dynon to
come
out with "the fix," and I have every bit of confidence that Dynon will
resolve this issue. Since I won't be leaping into IMC with this brand
new
homebuilt plane right off the bat regardless of whether or not the panel
is
operating perfectly, there's plenty of time for this to be resolved.
==
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==
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| Subject: | Cowl Fitting & Plastic Disk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Hopefully this will help other builders. I am attaching a link to some pictures
that illustrate a neat way to fit your cowl without mounting your prop. This
is not a new idea, but the clear plastic disk is better than the plywood method.
Why? Because you can see through it to adjust and center the cowl better,
and it is much more stable than wood. The diameter of the disk is the same
as the back of the spinner and the spacers offset the disk the correct distance
from the prop flange. This is my third RV cowl fitting and this clear disk takes
it to a new level. A friend, Dave von Linsowe, also on this list, made this
up and mine is the second cowl installation using his method. Check it out:
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-pathatch
Go to RV-7 Project, Engine Installation, Page 3.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 QB (Building)
Vero Beach, FL
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| Subject: | RE: Dynon -- they're workin' on it |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Boyce, Ph.D." <matronicspost@csg-i.com>
Dan:
Thanks for the report.
I've had nothing but good interactions with the folks at Dynon. A great
crew. I hope they can come up with a fix.
Regards,
Paul
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| Subject: | Dynon remote compass location |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Gray <n747jg@earthlink.net>
Can anyone recommend a best location for the Dynon remote compass on an
RV-8.
Thanks,
Jim Gray
N747JG - wiring soon
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| Subject: | Van's Seat Cushion Set For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dfsund@aol.com
Builders,
My plans for finishing the interior of my 7A have changed and I'm selling my
Van's seat cushion set (RV-6,7,9), still in new condition. Email me direct if
you're interested in saving some $ on cushions. Thanks.......................
Dave
N567A
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| Subject: | Logbook entry for aerobatics |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Doug,
There should be a statement in your Operating Limitations about this under
the Phase I flight testing.
If not then it should go something like: " I certify that the following
aerobatic manuvers have been test flown and that the aircraft is
controllable throughout the manuvers' normal range of speed, and is safe for
operation. The flight-tested aerobatic manuvers are: _______, ______, and
_____."
This can also be done after completing Phase I by placing the aircraft back
into Phase I via logbook entry, doing the manuver(s) to make sure it is ok,
then signing off the logbook with the manuvers done and placing the aircraft
back into Phase II.
If you have any questions about this drop me a line directly and I will be
glad to help out.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
>From: dmedema@att.net
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Logbook entry for aerobatics
>Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:20:55 +0000
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net
>
>Since I'm nearing the end of my 25 hour Phase 1 flight test
>period, I had Terry Burch take my plane up and do the basic
>aerobatic maneuvers I hope to do in the future (after some
>training!) My understanding is I need to log the fact that
>these maneuvers were flown as part of Phase 1. Can anyone
>tell me the proper logbook entry language or point me to
>somewhere that will have the correct logbook entry language?
>
>Thanks,
>Doug Medema
>RV-6A N276DM 23.2 hours.
>
>
Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your
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| Subject: | Composite instrument panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
There used to be a web site showing a neat composite instrument panel
for the RV-6. I believe the panel was made by Laird Owen and shown on
his site, but my memory fails me. The site is no longer available or I
can't find it. I've got two different builder friends that are interested.
Was it Laird Owen?
Is the panel still available?
Is the web site still up under a different address?
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Jim,
I mounted my compass module one bulkhead aft of the baggage compartment. I mounted
it as high as I could and also tied it into the aft screw in the slider track.
There is nothing steel close to this location when the canopy is closed.
The compass does swing about 20 degrees when the canopy opens and closes but
so far this has not been an issue in flight. :) I also used brass screws for
all the mounting including aft screw in the slider rail.
Alan Kritzman
Cedar Rapids, IA
RV-8
In a message dated 2/10/2004 5:16:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, James Gray <n747jg@earthlink.net>
writes:
>--> RV-List message posted by: James Gray <n747jg@earthlink.net>
>
>Can anyone recommend a best location for the Dynon remote compass on an
>RV-8.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Gray
> N747JG - wiring soon
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I was thinking of making a bracket that mounted to the rear baggage
compartment rear bulkhead cover...
Know what I mean? LOL
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Gray" <n747jg@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location
--> RV-List message posted by: James Gray <n747jg@earthlink.net>
Can anyone recommend a best location for the Dynon remote compass on an
RV-8.
Thanks,
Jim Gray
N747JG - wiring soon
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim and Bev Cone" <jimnbev@olypen.com>
I added a 4130 steel link to the attachment end to extend each side 2 inches.
I also riveted a small loop of Nylon strap material to the loose end of the belt
so that it was easier to pull tight when adjusting the belt.
Jim Cone
3-peat offender
RV-6A, RV-6A, RV-7A nearing completion
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Colt Seavers" <rv7maker@hotmail.com>
Bill,
Why not mount it to your left Airleron trailing edge and get that sucker way
out!
More LOL.
Ross Schlotthauer
RV-7 Finishing
www.experimentalair.com
>From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location
>Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:30:55 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>I was thinking of making a bracket that mounted to the rear baggage
>compartment rear bulkhead cover...
>
>Know what I mean? LOL
>
>
>-Bill VonDane
>EAA Tech Counselor
>RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
>www.vondane.com
>www.creativair.com
>www.epanelbuilder.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James Gray" <n747jg@earthlink.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: James Gray <n747jg@earthlink.net>
>
>Can anyone recommend a best location for the Dynon remote compass on an
>RV-8.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Gray
> N747JG - wiring soon
>
>
overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Composite instrument panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I just tried the link to Planes, wings and things where Laird Owens had a
link to his panel, but the site is dead. I think Laird monitors the list and
could provide you with information.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Brame" <charleyb@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Composite instrument panel
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
>
> There used to be a web site showing a neat composite instrument panel
> for the RV-6. I believe the panel was made by Laird Owen and shown on
> his site, but my memory fails me. The site is no longer available or I
> can't find it. I've got two different builder friends that are interested.
>
> Was it Laird Owen?
>
> Is the panel still available?
>
> Is the web site still up under a different address?
>
> Charlie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I put mine on the shelf inside the baggage compartment. I have had no
issues with metal in my baggage compartment. It is accurate to less than 5
degrees and I have never calibrated it.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: <N13eer@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location
> --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>
> Jim,
> I mounted my compass module one bulkhead aft of the baggage compartment.
I mounted it as high as I could and also tied it into the aft screw in the
slider track. There is nothing steel close to this location when the canopy
is closed. The compass does swing about 20 degrees when the canopy opens
and closes but so far this has not been an issue in flight. :) I also used
brass screws for all the mounting including aft screw in the slider rail.
>
> Alan Kritzman
> Cedar Rapids, IA
> RV-8
>
> In a message dated 2/10/2004 5:16:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, James Gray
<n747jg@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: James Gray <n747jg@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Can anyone recommend a best location for the Dynon remote compass on an
> >RV-8.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim Gray
> > N747JG - wiring soon
> >
>
>
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| From: | Richard Meske <rmeske@gcfn.org> (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmeske) by www.gcfn.org with HTTP; Tue, |
10 Feb 2004 15:49:44.-0500@matronics.com (EST)
| Subject: | Re: Composite instrument panel |
There's a neat carbon fiber one at www.aircraftextras.com
Rich
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
>
> There used to be a web site showing a neat composite instrument panel
> for the RV-6. I believe the panel was made by Laird Owen and shown on
> his site, but my memory fails me. The site is no longer available or I
> can't find it. I've got two different builder friends that are
> interested.
>
> Was it Laird Owen?
>
> Is the panel still available?
>
> Is the web site still up under a different address?
>
> Charlie
>
>
--
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: Composite instrument panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Hi Charlie,
Your memory isn't failing. The web site got pulled off the air.
I bummed a page off a friends web site, but he shut it down in
January. I've wanted to update it and add some customer panel
pictures, but I haven't had time (and I'm not very web savvy, so I'm
not sure what to do).
I still make the panels for the 6,7,and 9 with slider canopies when I
get an order.
Have them get in touch with me via email at:
owens@aerovironment.com
I can answer questions and send some pics if they like.
Regards,
Laird Owens
RV-6 SoCal
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
>
>There used to be a web site showing a neat composite instrument panel
>for the RV-6. I believe the panel was made by Laird Owen and shown on
>his site, but my memory fails me. The site is no longer available or I
>can't find it. I've got two different builder friends that are interested.
>
>Was it Laird Owen?
>
>Is the panel still available?
>
>Is the web site still up under a diffe-rent address?
>
>Charlie
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Made an interesting discovery today while chasing down the source of EMI
from my Dynon. Like many, I have a distinct noise in the headsets,
which goes away when the Dynon is turned off. My electric system is the
main bus/ essential bus, per Lectric Bob. Both the Dynon and Comm are
on the essential bus. While futzing around, I turned the E bus switch
on while leaving the power master on. The noise instantly decreased
about 80%. The battery is getting rather tired from so much ground use,
and the voltage at the Dynon was showing 10.4V. When the E bus was
switched on, the voltage increased by 0.7V (the amount dropped by the
diode feeding the E bus.) Intrigued, I hooked up the battery charger
and tried it again. The voltage at the Dynon was now 12.5V with the E
bus and battery switches on, and the remaining noise decreased by about
half, to a level I consider pretty close to acceptable. In addition,
the strobe noise I was experiencing also disappeared.
For those experiencing EMI on the ground (not yet flying, like me) you
may want to give this a try. I have not had a chance to test this with
the engine running yet, perhaps in a day or two I will have time to do so.
My theory as to why this is, and it is an uneducated SWAG- the noise
filter circuits inside all of the boxes (Dynon, radio and strobe
supplies) are not functioning because of the low voltage, while the
units themselves appear to work. What does anyone think of that?
Jeff Point
RV-6 getting very close
Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook entry for aerobatics |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Mike Robertson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>
>Doug,
>
>There should be a statement in your Operating Limitations about this under
>the Phase I flight testing.
>If not then it should go something like: " I certify that the following
>aerobatic manuvers have been test flown and that the aircraft is
>controllable throughout the manuvers' normal range of speed, and is safe for
>operation. The flight-tested aerobatic manuvers are: _______, ______, and
>_____."
>
>This can also be done after completing Phase I by placing the aircraft back
>into Phase I via logbook entry, doing the manuver(s) to make sure it is ok,
>then signing off the logbook with the manuvers done and placing the aircraft
>back into Phase II.
>
>If you have any questions about this drop me a line directly and I will be
>glad to help out.
>
>Mike Robertson
>Das Fed
>
>
What about a Pitts S-1 (I built) that is 23 years old? I never put any
comments in the logs about maneuvers besides first flight info. Is this
a 'newer' guideline and is my Pitts grandfathered?
I appreciate the help!
Linn Walters
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Where do you mean exaclty? Cuz there's a HUGE steel pipe in that aileron!
-Bill
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Colt Seavers" <rv7maker@hotmail.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> Why not mount it to your left Airleron trailing edge and get that sucker
> way
> out!
>
> More LOL.
>
> Ross Schlotthauer
> RV-7 Finishing
> www.experimentalair.com
>
>>From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location
>>Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:30:55 -0700
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>>
>>I was thinking of making a bracket that mounted to the rear baggage
>>compartment rear bulkhead cover...
>>
>>Know what I mean? LOL
>>
>>
>>-Bill VonDane
>>EAA Tech Counselor
>>RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
>>www.vondane.com
>>www.creativair.com
>>www.epanelbuilder.com
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "James Gray" <n747jg@earthlink.net>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: James Gray <n747jg@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Can anyone recommend a best location for the Dynon remote compass on an
>>RV-8.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim Gray
>> N747JG - wiring soon
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| Subject: | hole for wing tie down |
--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
Dear RV Builders:
For those of you that have built an older RV can you tell me if you have
had any problems with the hole in the spar for the wing tie down; like
cracking? I had a friend of mine come check my work although not an RV builder
he is
a AP and works on much bigger aircraft. He was concerned about the hole in the
spar flange.
What do you think? http://www.angelfire.com/mech/rv-3/pics.html
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 wing
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon and EMI |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Martin" <niceez@cableone.net>
I really appreciate that point as I am getting ready to purchase the Dynon
EFIS. Wonder how it will be affected when the 24 volt battery is low.
Hmmm..... Interesting.
- Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dynon and EMI
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jeff Point
<jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> Made an interesting discovery today while chasing down the source of EMI
> from my Dynon. Like many, I have a distinct noise in the headsets,
> which goes away when the Dynon is turned off. My electric system is the
> main bus/ essential bus, per Lectric Bob. Both the Dynon and Comm are
> on the essential bus. While futzing around, I turned the E bus switch
> on while leaving the power master on. The noise instantly decreased
> about 80%. The battery is getting rather tired from so much ground use,
> and the voltage at the Dynon was showing 10.4V. When the E bus was
> switched on, the voltage increased by 0.7V (the amount dropped by the
> diode feeding the E bus.) Intrigued, I hooked up the battery charger
> and tried it again. The voltage at the Dynon was now 12.5V with the E
> bus and battery switches on, and the remaining noise decreased by about
> half, to a level I consider pretty close to acceptable. In addition,
> the strobe noise I was experiencing also disappeared.
>
> For those experiencing EMI on the ground (not yet flying, like me) you
> may want to give this a try. I have not had a chance to test this with
> the engine running yet, perhaps in a day or two I will have time to do so.
>
> My theory as to why this is, and it is an uneducated SWAG- the noise
> filter circuits inside all of the boxes (Dynon, radio and strobe
> supplies) are not functioning because of the low voltage, while the
> units themselves appear to work. What does anyone think of that?
>
> Jeff Point
> RV-6 getting very close
> Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | PCB panel (was: Composite instrument panel) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
Might be interesting to build an instrument panel using PCB
(printed circuit board) technology. The maximum board size is about 21
inches by 24 inches. (Standard is 16" x 22".) You can go from 0.020" to
0.125" thick. (Standard thicknesses are .031" .062" .093" and .125" ) The
board is made of very well characterized epoxy fiberglass composite. Much
stronger than aluminum of the same weight and size. Several formulations
are available.
The basic board is puke yellow, but green solder mask is standard
(that's why PCBs are usually green.) You can opt for red, blue, black, or
white (extra cost.) White silk screen is standard, but you can get yellow
or black easily (extra cost.) Other colors are possible, but you will pay a
lot extra. If you like, you could easily lay out the copper (traces) on the
surface to be any graphic design you want. You can easily opt for gold
plating the copper, but you will pay a bit extra. If you would like, the
entire visible surface of the panel could be gold.
All the cut-outs, holes, etc would be routed out.
What might be particularly fun would be to use the panel for
wiring the gauges, much like they do in automobiles. If you used surface
mount type connections, nothing would have to poke through the front
surface. Very slick. Way easy to wire. Much, much lighter than a
conventional panel with conventional wiring.
If you just wanted a single pair of 16" x 22" panels, they would
cost you about $650 each. However, if you wanted 10 of them, the price
would drop down to about $200 each. This isn't including the layout and
set-up fees, however.
I wouldn't mind doing the layout.
Would folks be interested in a generic, pre-wired, PCB composite
instrument panel?
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| Subject: | Re: Composite instrument panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Laird... If you want, I will give you a page on my www.epanelbuilder.com
site...
Just let me know!
-Bill VonDane
bill@vondane.com
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laird Owens" <owens@aerovironment.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Composite instrument panel
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Hi Charlie,
Your memory isn't failing. The web site got pulled off the air.
I bummed a page off a friends web site, but he shut it down in
January. I've wanted to update it and add some customer panel
pictures, but I haven't had time (and I'm not very web savvy, so I'm
not sure what to do).
I still make the panels for the 6,7,and 9 with slider canopies when I
get an order.
Have them get in touch with me via email at:
owens@aerovironment.com
I can answer questions and send some pics if they like.
Regards,
Laird Owens
RV-6 SoCal
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| Subject: | Log Book entries |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
FAA order 8130.2E(or latest rev) chapter 7 section 134 gives you the wording
for exp phase and aerobatic logbook entries. This should match what your
limitations say as well since this order was intended to drive the wording
used in the limitations.
W
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| Subject: | Re: hole for wing tie down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" <sighsrv@earthlink.net>
Lee: I have built 2 RV-6's the spar web your friend is concerned about is a
non issue. After you attach the wing skin to the spar web the attach
fitting is secure and I have never seen a crack on an RV-6 at that point.
Before I attach the Tie Down
fitting in the wing with the AN3 bolts I champher the hole in the web to
prevent any crack that might develop.
My view only.
Harvey Sigmon RV-6A N602RV flying
----- Original Message -----
From: <Leesafur@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: hole for wing tie down
> --> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
>
> Dear RV Builders:
>
> For those of you that have built an older RV can you tell me if you
have
> had any problems with the hole in the spar for the wing tie down; like
> cracking? I had a friend of mine come check my work although not an RV
builder he is
> a AP and works on much bigger aircraft. He was concerned about the hole in
the
> spar flange.
> What do you think? http://www.angelfire.com/mech/rv-3/pics.html
>
>
> Lee
> Anoka MN
> RV-3 wing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: hole for wing tie down |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
latest RVs don't put a hole in the spar anywhere for the tie down or for
anything else except for ribs. Is that per Van's design on the RV3? If so, I'd
check with them. If not, I'd check with them.
lucky
do not archive
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| Subject: | Laird Owens, Composite instrument panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
Charlie, Laird moniters this list. I'm sure he will check in soon.
I have his panel myself.
Cecil Hatfield
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:22:55 -0600 Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
>
> There used to be a web site showing a neat composite instrument
> panel
> for the RV-6. I believe the panel was made by Laird Owen and shown
> on
> his site, but my memory fails me. The site is no longer available or
> I
> can't find it. I've got two different builder friends that are
> interested.
>
> Was it Laird Owen?
>
> Is the panel still available?
>
> Is the web site still up under a different address?
>
> Charlie
>
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| Subject: | Re: hole for wing tie down |
--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
Harvey thanks for the response I took Lucky's advice and called Vans and they
said it was a non factor the flange is there to fasten the skin not carry the
load.
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 wing
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| Subject: | Entended range tanks |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I am interested in speaking to a builder who has completed a 7 or 8 that
has extended the tank capacity in the wet wings. I am curious to know
exactly what you did to solve the rear baffle, ribs, tank skin, pp holes
and so forth. I am going to be sucking a bunch of fuel and need to build
about 10 extra gallons into the tanks.
Feel free to respond on the list, but I would also like a voice call as
well.
Please contact me directly 678.571.9319.
Thanks
Michael Stewart
6A flying
Super 8 tail (oh my this Pre Punched stuff is fun and so much better)
Do not archive, unless you have a good response
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--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Jeff and the RV-List Gang,
Thanks for the tip on Jiffy Trim. Mine arrived yesterday (Monday). I think
I just ordered it Friday. It is really perfect for the job. Much better that
I had hoped for.
Jiffy Trim should be included in the original kits!
Dan Hopper
N766DH RV-7A to fly this Spring
In a message dated 2/8/04 1:49:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
shempdowling@earthlink.net writes:
> >Jeff,
> >Could not find it on their web site even searching the name Jiffy Trim. Is
> >there more to the name?
> >Dale Ensing
>
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| Subject: | Re: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Jeff and the RV-List Gang,
Thanks for the tip on Jiffy Trim.=A0 Mine arrived yesterday (Monday).=A0 I think
I just ordered it Friday.=A0 It is really perfect for the job.=A0 Much better
that
I had hoped for.
Jiffy Trim should be included in the original kits!
Dan Hopper
N766DH RV-7A to fly this Spring
In a message dated 2/8/04 1:49:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
shempdowling@earthlink.net writes:
> >Jeff,
> >Could not find it on their web site even searching the name Jiffy Trim. Is
> >there more to the name?
> >Dale Ensing
>
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| Subject: | Re: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Is there anyone out there with a picture of this stuff??? If it is so
good, I probably want some :-) . But I don't buy anything sight unseen.
Thanks,
Dick Tasker, RV9A #90573
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
>
>Jeff and the RV-List Gang,
>
>Thanks for the tip on Jiffy Trim.=A0 Mine arrived yesterday (Monday).=A0 I think
>I just ordered it Friday.=A0 It is really perfect for the job.=A0 Much better
>that
>I had hoped for.
>
>Jiffy Trim should be included in the original kits!
>
>Dan Hopper
>N766DH RV-7A to fly this Spring
>
>In a message dated 2/8/04 1:49:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>shempdowling@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
>
>>>Jeff,
>>>Could not find it on their web site even searching the name Jiffy Trim. Is
>>>there more to the name?
>>>Dale Ensing
>>>
>>>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I have to agree. It really is a great match.
Jeff
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
>
> Jeff and the RV-List Gang,
>
> Thanks for the tip on Jiffy Trim. Mine arrived yesterday (Monday). I
think
> I just ordered it Friday. It is really perfect for the job. Much better
that
> I had hoped for.
>
> Jiffy Trim should be included in the original kits!
>
> Dan Hopper
> N766DH RV-7A to fly this Spring
>
> In a message dated 2/8/04 1:49:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> shempdowling@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > >Jeff,
> > >Could not find it on their web site even searching the name Jiffy Trim.
Is
> > >there more to the name?
> > >Dale Ensing
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Its 3 bucks.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker"
<retasker@optonline.net>
>
> Is there anyone out there with a picture of this stuff??? If it is so
> good, I probably want some :-) . But I don't buy anything sight unseen.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dick Tasker, RV9A #90573
>
> Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
> >
> >
> >Jeff and the RV-List Gang,
> >
> >Thanks for the tip on Jiffy Trim.=A0 Mine arrived yesterday (Monday).=A0
I think
> >I just ordered it Friday.=A0 It is really perfect for the job.=A0 Much
better
> >that
> >I had hoped for.
> >
> >Jiffy Trim should be included in the original kits!
> >
> >Dan Hopper
> >N766DH RV-7A to fly this Spring
> >
> >In a message dated 2/8/04 1:49:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> >shempdowling@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >>>Jeff,
> >>>Could not find it on their web site even searching the name Jiffy Trim.
Is
> >>>there more to the name?
> >>>Dale Ensing
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
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| Subject: | tie down ring fairing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I read some where recently that it is worth it to put a fairing on the
tie down rings - they can cause noticable amounts of drag. I found some
discussion of this in the archives, but no leads to a photograph or a
clear description. I'm having trouble imagining how this would be done.
Do they attach to the tie down ring just before flight, or is it
possible to fair the ring and still have it be usable for tieing down?
Anybody know anything about such a thing?
--
Tom Sargent - RV-6A canopy.
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| Subject: | Re: tie down ring fairing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
thomas a. sargent wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
>I read some where recently that it is worth it to put a fairing on the
>tie down rings - they can cause noticable amounts of drag. I found some
>discussion of this in the archives, but no leads to a photograph or a
>clear description. I'm having trouble imagining how this would be done.
>Do they attach to the tie down ring just before flight, or is it
>possible to fair the ring and still have it be usable for tieing down?
>
>Anybody know anything about such a thing?
>--
>Tom Sargent - RV-6A canopy.
>
>
>
>
Why go to all that trouble? Just remove them when not needed.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I'm wondering, what the best thing to use for fuel line fittings? I have some Baker
Seal but I have been told that fuel lube is what is recommended. I searched
Spruce and Cleaveland and couldn't find anything called fuel lube. Also while
I'm asking, what should be used for brake line fittings?
Thanks,
Karie Daniel
RV-7A
Sammamish, WA
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| Subject: | Re: tie down ring fairing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
Why not just take them out? Not sure about the 6, but on the 8
we have a place just behind the passenger's shoulders to put
the rings when flying.
Mickey
>I read some where recently that it is worth it to put a fairing on the
>tie down rings - they can cause noticable amounts of drag.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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