---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/11/04: 88 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:13 AM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Mike Nellis) 2. 01:42 AM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Dana Overall) 3. 02:00 AM - Tail wheel fairing (Dana Overall) 4. 03:10 AM - Re: Van's Seat Cushion Set For Sale (Dfsund@aol.com) 5. 03:31 AM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Wayne R. Couture) 6. 04:13 AM - Re: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover (PASSPAT@aol.com) 7. 05:03 AM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Alex Peterson) 8. 05:08 AM - Re: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover (RV8ter@aol.com) 9. 05:24 AM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (RV8ter@aol.com) 10. 06:13 AM - Re: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover (Jeff Dowling) 11. 06:16 AM - Re: Tail wheel fairing (linn walters) 12. 06:43 AM - Re: tie down ring fairing (Noel & Yoshie Simmons) 13. 07:14 AM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Cy Galley) 14. 07:24 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Larry Bowen) 15. 07:56 AM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (JOHN STARN) 16. 08:04 AM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (JOHN STARN) 17. 08:24 AM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Alex Peterson) 18. 09:45 AM - Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience (PLTDBEEZER@aol.com) 19. 10:21 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (John D. Heath) 20. 10:52 AM - Re: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience (Laird Owens) 21. 11:09 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Jim and Bev Cone) 22. 11:10 AM - Re: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience (SCOTT MORGAN) 23. 12:27 PM - logbooks (Wheeler North) 24. 12:34 PM - Fuel lube (Wheeler North) 25. 01:11 PM - Center console/throttle setup (Matthew Brandes) 26. 01:13 PM - Prop for sale (Jack Bannon) 27. 02:22 PM - !New! CS props for sale (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 28. 02:31 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale () 29. 02:33 PM - Re: Log Book entries (Paul Besing) 30. 02:46 PM - Kitlog Pro Version 1.7 Update (Paul Besing) 31. 02:46 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 32. 02:57 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale () 33. 03:16 PM - Re(2): !New! CS props for sale (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 34. 03:59 PM - Crossflow Engine Proposal (RV8ter@aol.com) 35. 04:23 PM - Fuse kit (Cammie Patch) 36. 04:33 PM - Re: Fuse kit (Racing4funn@aol.com) 37. 04:33 PM - Re: Crossflow Engine Proposal (Racing4funn@aol.com) 38. 04:34 PM - Re: Re(2): !New! CS props for sale (Racing4funn@aol.com) 39. 04:34 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale (Racing4funn@aol.com) 40. 04:34 PM - Re: Kitlog Pro Version 1.7 Update (Racing4funn@aol.com) 41. 04:34 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale (Racing4funn@aol.com) 42. 04:35 PM - Re: Log Book entries (Racing4funn@aol.com) 43. 04:35 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale (Racing4funn@aol.com) 44. 04:35 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale (Racing4funn@aol.com) 45. 04:35 PM - Re: Prop for sale (Racing4funn@aol.com) 46. 04:36 PM - Re: Center console/throttle setup (Racing4funn@aol.com) 47. 04:36 PM - Re: logbooks (Racing4funn@aol.com) 48. 04:36 PM - Re: Fuel lube (Racing4funn@aol.com) 49. 04:36 PM - Re: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience (Racing4funn@aol.com) 50. 04:37 PM - Re: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience (Racing4funn@aol.com) 51. 04:37 PM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Racing4funn@aol.com) 52. 04:37 PM - Re: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience (Racing4funn@aol.com) 53. 04:38 PM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Racing4funn@aol.com) 54. 04:38 PM - Re: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience (Racing4funn@aol.com) 55. 04:40 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale (Evan and Megan Johnson) 56. 04:40 PM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Racing4funn@aol.com) 57. 04:40 PM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Racing4funn@aol.com) 58. 04:40 PM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Racing4funn@aol.com) 59. 04:41 PM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Racing4funn@aol.com) 60. 04:41 PM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Racing4funn@aol.com) 61. 04:41 PM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Racing4funn@aol.com) 62. 04:44 PM - Re: Crossflow Engine Proposal (Brian Denk) 63. 04:44 PM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Aaron Villery) 64. 04:50 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale (Bobby Sather) 65. 05:03 PM - Potty-Mouth Squelched... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 66. 05:15 PM - Rotary Engine Discussions at Sun 'n Fun 2004 (jgburns) 67. 05:34 PM - Re: Fuse kit (Ron Walker) 68. 05:37 PM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Ron Walker) 69. 05:48 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale (Gert) 70. 05:53 PM - Re(2): !New! CS props for sale (Kevin Horton) 71. 06:00 PM - Re: Crossflow Engine Proposal (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 72. 06:07 PM - Re: Crossflow Engine Proposal (Kevin Horton) 73. 06:07 PM - Re: Crossflow Engine Proposal (lucky macy) 74. 06:09 PM - Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Gert) 75. 06:57 PM - ebay Lycomings (Dr. Leathers) 76. 07:18 PM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Mike Nellis) 77. 07:24 PM - Re: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience (RV_8 Pilot) 78. 07:32 PM - Re: Crossflow Engine Proposal (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)) 79. 07:36 PM - [ Jim Jewell ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 80. 07:38 PM - [ Bob Olds ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 81. 07:46 PM - Re: Potty-Mouth Squelched... (Leesafur@aol.com) 82. 07:59 PM - Re: Potty-Mouth Squelched... (Cy Galley) 83. 08:16 PM - Re: Potty-Mouth Squelched... (David Taylor) 84. 09:24 PM - Re(2): Re(2): !New! CS props for sale (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 85. 09:35 PM - Re: !New! CS props for sale (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 86. 10:51 PM - Re: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube (Karie Daniel) 87. 10:56 PM - Re: Re(2): Re(2): !New! CS props for sale (Ed Holyoke) 88. 11:43 PM - Re: Re(2): Re(2): !New! CS props for sale (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:07 AM PST US From: "Mike Nellis" Subject: RE: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" Try doing a search on just "lube" in both Wicks and Aircraft Spruce. Try this for starters. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php Mike Nellis RV-6 Fuselage N699BM 1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K http://bmnellis.com *** -----Original Message----- *** From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com *** [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of *** Karie Daniel *** Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:07 AM *** To: rv-list@matronics.com *** Subject: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube *** *** *** --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" *** *** I'm wondering, what the best thing to use for fuel line *** fittings? I have some Baker Seal but I have been told that *** fuel lube is what is recommended. I searched Spruce and *** Cleaveland and couldn't find anything called fuel lube. *** Also while I'm asking, what should be used for brake line fittings? *** *** Thanks, *** *** Karie Daniel *** RV-7A *** Sammamish, WA *** *** *** ============== *** Matronics Forums. *** ============== *** ============== *** ============== *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:09 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Karie, go to spruce and do a search for EZ Turn. I am told that is the new name for Fuel Lube. The tube number is 09-00306 for something like $9.50. I just got a tube in last week. It's plenty enough for what we have to do. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive >From: "Karie Daniel" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:06:38 -0800 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" > >I'm wondering, what the best thing to use for fuel line fittings? I have >some Baker Seal but I have been told that fuel lube is what is recommended. >I searched Spruce and Cleaveland and couldn't find anything called fuel >lube. Also while I'm asking, what should be used for brake line fittings? > >Thanks, > >Karie Daniel >RV-7A >Sammamish, WA > > Find great local high-speed Internet access value at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:30 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Tail wheel fairing --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" I've seen pics of various tail wheel pants but would like some real world comments about how low to extend them. For you who have ventured into the world of foam, fiberglass and molds (been there done that and still enjoy it), could you give me real world comments on how they hold up to grass runways and how low or high to make the wheel opening. Heck, like I've said, after building a plastic airplane, in a heartbeat, I could mold ya up a carbon fiber Pink Flamingo for your front yard :-). A mold, a little gel coat, two layers of carbon fiber, two alum backing plates for attach points between the layups and instant, lightweight, wheel pant. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:28 AM PST US From: Dfsund@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's Seat Cushion Set For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: Dfsund@aol.com Thanks for all the replies, but the cushions have been sold. Dave N567A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:12 AM PST US From: "Wayne R. Couture" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" I called ACS about there 1 lb. can that they show in there catalogue. They wanted $45.00 for it and it was the last can they had and they were not getting any more. I mean, who need's a pound of the stuff anyway? Something about having trouble getting it from there supplier! Wayne do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Nellis" Subject: RE: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" > > Try doing a search on just "lube" in both Wicks and Aircraft Spruce. > > Try this for starters. > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php > > Mike Nellis > RV-6 Fuselage N699BM > 1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K > http://bmnellis.com > > *** -----Original Message----- > *** From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > *** [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > *** Karie Daniel > *** Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:07 AM > *** To: rv-list@matronics.com > *** Subject: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube > *** > *** > *** --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" > *** > *** I'm wondering, what the best thing to use for fuel line > *** fittings? I have some Baker Seal but I have been told that > *** fuel lube is what is recommended. I searched Spruce and > *** Cleaveland and couldn't find anything called fuel lube. > *** Also while I'm asking, what should be used for brake line fittings? > *** > *** Thanks, > *** > *** Karie Daniel > *** RV-7A > *** Sammamish, WA > *** > *** > *** ============== > *** Matronics Forums. > *** ============== > *** ============== > *** ============== > *** > *** > *** > *** > *** > *** > *** > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:45 AM PST US From: PASSPAT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover --> RV-List message posted by: PASSPAT@aol.com All folks looking for Jiffy Trim the web site is http://www.baerfabrics.com/ they have 800 #s and can supply info Pat Patterson /TC / AB-DAR ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:00 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > I'm wondering, what the best thing to use for fuel line > fittings? I have some Baker Seal but I have been told that > fuel lube is what is recommended. I searched Spruce and > Cleaveland and couldn't find anything called fuel lube. Also > while I'm asking, what should be used for brake line fittings? > > Thanks, > > Karie Daniel > RV-7A > Sammamish, WA Karie, which part of the fittings are you referring to? If you are talking about the pipe threads, EZTurn is good stuff. It is fuel lube under a different name. It is important not to use anything which could shed, such as teflon tape or joint compound. Never put any fittings into the oil cooler dry, without something, or you may find that you are buying a new cooler when the fittings seize. If you are talking about the flared fittings, nothing is used except proper torque (and a proper 37 degree flare tool, don't skimp there, in the case of tubing). Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 436 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:25 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com What are we all talking about? A find on something that would dress the edge up of glare shield? It is superior to ? because why? thx, lucky do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:17 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com Alex, I hadn't learned this yet myself. So you mean ALL the AN fittings for stuff like fuel lines, the AN fittings on the fuel lines, hydraulic lines, vent lines, etc get no treatment other than just proper torque? What about the low pressure fuel pump threads and Van's fuel selector valve threads? thanks, lucky In a message dated 2/11/2004 8:04:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, alexpeterson@usjet.net writes: Karie, which part of the fittings are you referring to? If you are talking about the pipe threads, EZTurn is good stuff. It is fuel lube under a different name. It is important not to use anything which could shed, such as teflon tape or joint compound. Never put any fittings into the oil cooler dry, without something, or you may find that you are buying a new cooler when the fittings seize. If you are talking about the flared fittings, nothing is used except proper torque (and a proper 37 degree flare tool, don't skimp there, in the case of tubing). Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 436 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:45 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Its just a piece of trim that fits very well on the glare shield edge and looks good for little cost. Just thought I would throw it out there. Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 18 hours Chicago/Louisville Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Great find on glare shield end cap/cover > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > > What are we all talking about? A find on something that would dress the edge > up of glare shield? It is superior to ? because why? > > thx, > lucky > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:13 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail wheel fairing --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Dana Overall wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > >I've seen pics of various tail wheel pants but would like some real world >comments about how low to extend them. For you who have ventured into the >world of foam, fiberglass and molds (been there done that and still enjoy >it), could you give me real world comments on how they hold up to grass >runways and how low or high to make the wheel opening. > >Heck, like I've said, after building a plastic airplane, in a heartbeat, I >could mold ya up a carbon fiber Pink Flamingo for your front yard :-). > >A mold, a little gel coat, two layers of carbon fiber, two alum backing >plates for attach points between the layups and instant, lightweight, wheel >pant. > > >Dana Overall > Cool! You'd be chased by a pink flamingo wherever you went!!! :-D . Sorr, I just couldn't resist that! Do not archive (please) Linn ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:11 AM PST US From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" Subject: RE: RV-List: tie down ring fairing --> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" Tom, The glass and wood airplane guys just take them out and put them in a bag during the walk around. simple and lightest. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of thomas a. sargent Subject: RV-List: tie down ring fairing --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" I read some where recently that it is worth it to put a fairing on the tie down rings - they can cause noticable amounts of drag. I found some discussion of this in the archives, but no leads to a photograph or a clear description. I'm having trouble imagining how this would be done. Do they attach to the tie down ring just before flight, or is it possible to fair the ring and still have it be usable for tieing down? Anybody know anything about such a thing? -- Tom Sargent - RV-6A canopy. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:00 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" only the pipe thread end get any compound, NO Teflon tape, the other ends are clean and dry. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter soon to be Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > > Alex, > I hadn't learned this yet myself. So you mean ALL the AN fittings for stuff > like fuel lines, the AN fittings on the fuel lines, hydraulic lines, vent > lines, etc get no treatment other than just proper torque? > > What about the low pressure fuel pump threads and Van's fuel selector valve > threads? > > thanks, > lucky > > In a message dated 2/11/2004 8:04:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, > alexpeterson@usjet.net writes: > Karie, which part of the fittings are you referring to? If you are > talking about the pipe threads, EZTurn is good stuff. It is fuel lube > under a different name. It is important not to use anything which could > shed, such as teflon tape or joint compound. Never put any fittings into > the oil cooler dry, without something, or you may find that you are > buying a new cooler when the fittings seize. If you are talking about > the flared fittings, nothing is used except proper torque (and a proper > 37 degree flare tool, don't skimp there, in the case of tubing). > > Alex Peterson > Maple Grove, MN > RV6-A N66AP 436 hours > www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I'm planning on the right wing root, near the inspection cover. I have an AP servo, strobe power supply and canopy frame behind the baggage area, so I ruled it out. - Larry Bowen, RV-8 FWF Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com James Gray said: > --> RV-List message posted by: James Gray > > Can anyone recommend a best location for the Dynon remote compass on an > RV-8. > > Thanks, > > Jim Gray > N747JG - wiring soon ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:53 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Just a reminder....Whatever you use, put it on the male threads ONLY and lightly. Putting anything like fuel lube inside a fitting will stay there. The male fitting will push anything on the female threads ahead of it and form a "donut" which can break loose & clog filters, injectors etc. Fuel lube does not dissolve into the fuel/oil and disperse, it will stay in the system as a solid. That's why it makes such a good sealant. MALE THREADS ONLY. Do Not Archive, this advise is in there already. KABONG (GBA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube > > I'm wondering, what the best thing to use for fuel line > > fittings? I have some Baker Seal but I have been told that > > fuel lube is what is recommended. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:32 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" "A little dab will do ya", form a co'op of the locals and spread the cost around. Used 35mm plastic film cans make great sub-containers. A single half full film can has lasted thru building the HRII, two conditional inspections, repaired injection system, R&R oil cooler (twice), installtion of a VW on a Neiuport 11 and a 0-290 on an EAA bipe and was still have lots left. Use lightly and MALE THREADS ONLY. Do Not Archive KABONG (GBA) 8*) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne R. Couture" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" > > I called ACS about there 1 lb. can that they show in there catalogue. They > wanted $45.00 for it and it was the last can they had and they were not > getting any more. I mean, who need's a pound of the stuff anyway? > Something about having trouble getting it from there supplier! > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:35 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > Alex, > I hadn't learned this yet myself. So you mean ALL the AN > fittings for stuff > like fuel lines, the AN fittings on the fuel lines, hydraulic > lines, vent > lines, etc get no treatment other than just proper torque? > > What about the low pressure fuel pump threads and Van's fuel > selector valve > threads? > > thanks, > lucky Correct, no treatment. Only the male pipe threads, and be careful to not put any EZTurn (fuel lube) on the end where it will be in the flow path. If, when you are tightening a pipe thread and have to bail out on the last turn and back up bacause it got too tight, start over again with cleaning the threads and re applying lube. The fuel pumps have some special fittings on them, if I understand your question correctly. The actual fuel fittings have an O-ring seal, so they don't need anything. The fuel overflow port in the pump is pipe thread, I believe. Van's selector valve is pipe threads, unless something newer has replaced it. Others on the list can recommend the best publications/books describing acceptable practices for aircraft, but AC 43.13-1B is a must have. It can be bought at various suppliers. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 436 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:39 AM PST US From: PLTDBEEZER@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience --> RV-List message posted by: PLTDBEEZER@aol.com Does anyone have experience with Bendix-King factory repairs. From the sound of it, the minimum charge for just the estimate on my KLX/135A GPS is $380. Evidently, only one repair facility in the US is authorized to open it up. Also, does anyone else in the New Jersey/Eastern Pennsylvania area have KLX 135/A GPS/Com. I would like to plug my GPS into another acft to make sure its the GPS and not some other problem. I've tried a new antenna and cable. It is having trouble reciving/holding satellite fixes. Dave Beizer South Jersey Regional RV-6A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:17 AM PST US From: "John D. Heath" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location --> RV-List message posted by: "John D. Heath" Galvanized steel pipe in aileron, too close ??? John D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > I'm planning on the right wing root, near the inspection cover. I have an > AP servo, strobe power supply and canopy frame behind the baggage area, so > I ruled it out. > > - > Larry Bowen, RV-8 FWF > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > James Gray said: > > --> RV-List message posted by: James Gray > > > > Can anyone recommend a best location for the Dynon remote compass on an > > RV-8. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim Gray > > N747JG - wiring soon > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:09 AM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Garmin has a similar deal. My 250XL was having reboot problems and I sent it in. Cost was $400 flat no matter what had to be done. Didn't even get an database update out of it! (They said that was a Jeppeson gig). Laird RV-6 SoCal >--> RV-List message posted by: PLTDBEEZER@aol.com > >Does anyone have experience with Bendix-King factory repairs. From the sound >of it, the minimum charge for just the estimate on my KLX/135A GPS is $380. >Evidently, only one repair facility in the US is authorized to open it up. > >Also, does anyone else in the New Jersey/Eastern Pennsylvania area have KLX >135/A GPS/Com. I would like to plug my GPS into another acft to make sure its >the GPS and not some other problem. I've tried a new antenna and cable. It >is having trouble reciving/holding satellite fixes. > >Dave Beizer >South Jersey Regional >RV-6A > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:46 AM PST US From: "Jim and Bev Cone" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim and Bev Cone" I mounted the remote compass for my EFIS One in the tail cone by making a bracket that mounts to the horizontal panel where the horizontal stab is mounted. The bracket extends forward into the tail cone. It is far away from anything steel or magnetic. This should work for the Dynon as well. Jim Cone 3-peat offender ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:31 AM PST US From: SCOTT MORGAN Subject: Re: RV-List: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience --> RV-List message posted by: SCOTT MORGAN Dave, I received a similar quote from Bendix King to look at my KLX 135A. I took it to a great avionics shop here in the Houston Area, Avionics Unlimited. They opened it, replaced a fuse, charged me $37.00, and I flew home. I believe any avionics shop can open the unit. If it is still under warranty, the shop will need to be an authorized Bendix King service center. Good Luck, Scott PLTDBEEZER@aol.com wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: PLTDBEEZER@aol.com Does anyone have experience with Bendix-King factory repairs. From the sound of it, the minimum charge for just the estimate on my KLX/135A GPS is $380. Evidently, only one repair facility in the US is authorized to open it up. Also, does anyone else in the New Jersey/Eastern Pennsylvania area have KLX 135/A GPS/Com. I would like to plug my GPS into another acft to make sure its the GPS and not some other problem. I've tried a new antenna and cable. It is having trouble reciving/holding satellite fixes. Dave Beizer South Jersey Regional RV-6A ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:11 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: logbooks --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Linn, no, your plane is not grandfathered, its just certified as it was certified. If the limitations don't call for this then, than it isn't needed. There have been several iterations of how special exp. airworthiness limitations should be written over the last many years, as they progress it has gotten more uniform throughout the country. FAA 0rder 8130.2E(or latest rev) Chapter 7 defines the most current "model" for Exps. Read this and then your old limitations and if the new ones look better to you than you can usually get the old ones upgraded to the new standards through your local FSDO. W ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:20 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Fuel lube --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Karie, use fuel lube for fuel fittings but it isn't that great for higher pressure fitting like brakes. I have had it work, and have had it not work there. Seal lube seems to work though http://www.wicksaircraft.com/gotopage.php?page=52 W Time: 11:08:13 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" I'm wondering, what the best thing to use for fuel line fittings? I have some Baker Seal but I have been told that fuel lube is what is recommended. I searched Spruce and Cleaveland and couldn't find anything called fuel lube. Also while I'm asking, what should be used for brake line fittings? Thanks, Karie Daniel RV-7A Sammamish, ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:08 PM PST US From: "Matthew Brandes" Subject: RV-List: Center console/throttle setup --> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" Does anyone recognize this RV interior? http://www.n523rv.com/images/RVCenterConsole.jpg I really like this setup with the throttle in the middle and the little pedestal running up with fuel gauge and trim indicators. I would like to talk with whoever did this. Matthew Brandes, Van's RV-9A (Wings/Fuselage) EAA Chapter 868/91 www.n523rv.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:52 PM PST US From: "Jack Bannon" Subject: RV-List: Prop for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Bannon" Prop for sale=85 We have a COLLIN WALKER wood propeller from our RV-6A, 0-320 engine. The prop has 160 hrs and is a 70 inch diameter by 72 inch pitch. It comes complete with spinner & bulkheads. 2.25 inch prop to engine spacer and 7/16 inch bolts to fit the post 1993 Vans cowlings. The spinner is a Vans fiberglass already fitted to this prop. Runs great with no vibrations. Will send pictures on demand. Asking $750. Pls email me directly if interested. Thanks, DO NOT ARCHIVE. Jack Bannon jack.bannon@sympatico.ca ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:05 PM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Hi All, I have new MT Propeller aluminum blade 2 blade CS propellers for sale. $5,500 including factory installed spinner. This propeller was designed for the Lycoming 360 engine only. No mid range RPM restriction on any Lycoming 360 engine. Check out my website www.lessdrag.com for details. Click on "Lycoming 360 engine", or "MT Propeller" (The website is still under development. I would appreciate any constructive suggestions.) Jim Ayers Less Drag Products, Inc. An OEM Distributor for MT Propeller ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:05 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Dear Jim, Since when is MT using Aluminum blades in their props? And why? Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Hi All, I have new MT Propeller aluminum blade 2 blade CS propellers for sale. $5,500 including factory installed spinner. This propeller was designed for the Lycoming 360 engine only. No mid range RPM restriction on any Lycoming 360 engine. Check out my website www.lessdrag.com for details. Click on "Lycoming 360 engine", or "MT Propeller" (The website is still under development. I would appreciate any constructive suggestions.) Jim Ayers Less Drag Products, Inc. An OEM Distributor for MT Propeller ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:10 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Log Book entries --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" This document is available in the new version of Kitlog Pro, or it is available here: http://www2.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/av-info/dst/amateur/8130.2chap4sec7.pdf Paul Besing RV-6A Sold RV-10 Soon http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: Log Book entries > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > > FAA order 8130.2E(or latest rev) chapter 7 section 134 gives you the wording > for exp phase and aerobatic logbook entries. This should match what your > limitations say as well since this order was intended to drive the wording > used in the limitations. > > W > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:04 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: RV-List: Kitlog Pro Version 1.7 Update --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" do not archive Sorry for the unrelated email, but some customer's email addresses have changed and we haven't got the word out yet. Kitlog Pro Version 1.7 is available. This is a free update. It includes some minor enhancements, as well as some printing bug fixes. Also there is FAA Order 8130.2E (Airworthiness Certification) added to it for reference. Stay tuned for our new upgrade coming out, version 2.0, which will have web publishing ability. You may download it at www.kitlog.com. Click on "Updates" Thank you. Paul Besing Aeroware Enterprises www.kitlog.com info@kitlog.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:16 PM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 02/11/2004 2:32:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, klwerner@comcast.net writes: Dear Jim, Since when is MT using Aluminum blades in their props? And why? When? As of today. Why? To provide an option for a better aluminum blade CS propeller without a mid range RPM restriction on any Lycoming 360 engine. Or maybe it's just the price. Van's sells the Hartzell aluminum blade CS propeller at a similar price, without a spinner. Jim Ayers Less Drag Products, Inc. PS I sure hope this doesn't start the controversy that occurred when I mentioned I was testing an Ivoprop. :-) I could say that I avoided saying anything prior to now, during the test flights, because of that lengthy thread. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:31 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Jim, How do they fare with modified engines in terms of harmonic vibrations, i.e. with Higher Compression / Electronic Ignition? What is the weight of such a aluminum MT prop? Konrad ----- Original Message ----- From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 02/11/2004 2:32:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, klwerner@comcast.net writes: Dear Jim, Since when is MT using Aluminum blades in their props? And why? When? As of today. Why? To provide an option for a better aluminum blade CS propeller without a mid range RPM restriction on any Lycoming 360 engine. Or maybe it's just the price. Van's sells the Hartzell aluminum blade CS propeller at a similar price, without a spinner. Jim Ayers Less Drag Products, Inc. PS I sure hope this doesn't start the controversy that occurred when I mentioned I was testing an Ivoprop. :-) I could say that I avoided saying anything prior to now, during the test flights, because of that lengthy thread. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:36 PM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: Re(2): RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 02/11/2004 2:58:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, klwerner@comcast.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Jim, How do they fare with modified engines in terms of harmonic vibrations, i.e. with Higher Compression / Electronic Ignition? What is the weight of such a aluminum MT prop? Konrad I will ask MT Propeller in Germany, tonight, for a specific answer about high compression pistons and electronic ignition. Since they started with their 2 blade propeller hub rated for 300 hp, I wouldn't expect it to be a concern. The aluminum blades are heavier blades than what MT normally uses. I do know that the maximum RPM is limited to 2750 RPM on the Lycoming 360 engine, instead of MT's normal 2800 RPM restriction. As far as the weight, I'll get back to you later this evening. After I've weighed the flight test propeller assembly. The spinner is already installed, so the weight will include the spinner. Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:56 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com Hello, I received a detailed proposal from Crossflow today which I don't mind making available to others potentially interested in a Subie conversion. I got a couple of private emails from the Subie list from folks thinking this was a superior design to the Eggenfellner engine for a few reasons but what struck me chiefly is it had the option of using a hydraulic prop governor. So I looked into it. With the Egg, you have to use fixed or electric governor (yuch) which is for me is like castration to an RV for acro. But I don't want to email it out to everyone individually so I'm looking for a place to put it which folks can download if they so chose. Who wants to host it for others? ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:34 PM PST US From: "Cammie Patch" Subject: RV-List: Fuse kit --> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" I just got my fuselage kit, began constructing the huge mound of paper. I've been through both boxes but I can't find the inventory list or pages to add to my instruction book (I'm a rv6 to rv7 convert so I need pages for the 7). Can anybody tell me where to look? Cammie ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:14 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuse kit --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:21 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:03 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: Re(2): RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:31 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:41 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitlog Pro Version 1.7 Update --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:56 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:08 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Log Book entries --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:16 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:30 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:56 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:02 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Center console/throttle setup --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:15 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: logbooks --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:16 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel lube --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:58 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:33 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:45 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:52 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:12 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:32 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:02 PM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Have you guys got one for the IO540......a few of us out here are building the 10 :) Thanks....Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Jim, > How do they fare with modified engines in terms of harmonic vibrations, i.e. with Higher Compression / Electronic Ignition? > What is the weight of such a aluminum MT prop? > Konrad > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:46 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale > > > --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com > > In a message dated 02/11/2004 2:32:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, > klwerner@comcast.net writes: > Dear Jim, > Since when is MT using Aluminum blades in their props? And why? > > When? > As of today. > > Why? > To provide an option for a better aluminum blade CS propeller without a mid > range RPM restriction on any Lycoming 360 engine. > > Or maybe it's just the price. Van's sells the Hartzell aluminum blade CS > propeller at a similar price, without a spinner. > > Jim Ayers > Less Drag Products, Inc. > > PS I sure hope this doesn't start the controversy that occurred when I > mentioned I was testing an Ivoprop. :-) > I could say that I avoided saying anything prior to now, during the test > flights, because of that lengthy thread. > > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:02 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:13 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:20 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:11 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon remote compass location --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:21 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:30 PM PST US From: Racing4funn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com FUCK YOU!!! ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:14 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > >Hello, >I received a detailed proposal from Crossflow today which I don't mind >making >available to others potentially interested in a Subie conversion. I got a >couple of private emails from the Subie list from folks thinking this was a >superior design to the Eggenfellner engine for a few reasons but what >struck me >chiefly is it had the option of using a hydraulic prop governor. So I >looked >into it. With the Egg, you have to use fixed or electric governor (yuch) >which is >for me is like castration to an RV for acro. > >But I don't want to email it out to everyone individually so I'm looking >for >a place to put it which folks can download if they so chose. Who wants to >host it for others? Maybe you could scan it and post as a .jpg in the pics section of the RV8 group? I'd like to see it for sure. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 Create your own personal Web page with the info you use most, at My MSN. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:35 PM PST US From: "Aaron Villery" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Aaron Villery" wow spam Aaron Villery F1 Rocket SN138 RV-6 SN24572 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube > --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com > > FUCK YOU!!! > > ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:49 PM PST US From: "Bobby Sather" Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Sather" Who let this idiot on the list? Somebody get me his address. I am sure I can get him to apologize. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale > --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com > > FUCK YOU!!! > > ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:38 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) "Fw: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal" (Feb 11, 4:56pm) RV8-List@matronics.com, Pietenpol-List@matronics.com, Kitfox-List@matronics.com, Tailwind-List@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... --> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Hi Ed and all, This annoying fellow has been unsubscribed. I was able to kill a whole bunch of similar posts from him, but unfortunately quite a few got through before I could stop them. Funny how he could take the time to send out all those offensive messages, but not the time to unsubscribe himself. My appologies. Matt Dralle List Admin. >-------------- >Hi Matt, > >I don't know where the below email came from other than its the Racing4Funn >address, but the message it conveys clearly falls below the standards we set >for ourselves on the lists - even when parties get emotional. So I (and I'm >sure most others agree) this is no place for folks like this on the list. I >presume that he is a subscriber, so unsubscribing him would be the >appropriate action. If it was an unauthorized use of some legitimate >subscribers e mail, then he should at least be make aware of it. > >Sincerely > >Ed >Ed Anderson >RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered >Matthews, NC > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 7:33 PM >Subject: Re: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com >> >> F*CK Y*U!!! >-------------- -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:05 PM PST US From: "jgburns" Subject: RV-List: Rotary Engine Discussions at Sun 'n Fun 2004 --> RV-List message posted by: "jgburns" If you might be interested in rotary engine discussions and will be at Sun 'n Fun 2004, please check out the invitation on the engine list (link below). http://www.matronics.com/digest/engines-list/Digest.Engines-List.2004-02-10.html#MESSAGE8 Regards, John ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:23 PM PST US From: "Ron Walker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuse kit --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" My pick list was stapled to the inside wall of the crate -- along with the instructions for installing the step kit. If they are not that obvious, I'd be asking Vans about it. I think the added pages were inside of the larger drawings. Yep .. I just checked my photos and sure enough they are stapled to the inside wall of the box that contains the rollbar and plans. Not sure if this list allows attachments , but I'll try. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cammie Patch" Subject: RV-List: Fuse kit > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" > > > I just got my fuselage kit, began constructing the huge mound of paper. I've > been through both boxes but I can't find the inventory list or pages to add > to my instruction book (I'm a rv6 to rv7 convert so I need pages for the 7). > Can anybody tell me where to look? > Cammie > > ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:29 PM PST US From: "Ron Walker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" Did I miss something here ? Or did someone fib on their membership application ;o) Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube > --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com > > FUCK YOU!!! > > ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:47 PM PST US From: Gert Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Gert Ya know, the small print seems to add quite a bit to the $5500 mentioned on the website. what would the final cost be to deliver to a Milwaukee address?? is the price going to vary with the exchange rate?? the website mentiones a discount for fellow rv'ers, how much?? Gert LeastDrag93066@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com > > In a message dated 02/11/2004 2:32:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, > klwerner@comcast.net writes: > Dear Jim, > Since when is MT using Aluminum blades in their props? And why? > > When? > As of today. > > Why? > To provide an option for a better aluminum blade CS propeller without a mid > range RPM restriction on any Lycoming 360 engine. > > Or maybe it's just the price. Van's sells the Hartzell aluminum blade CS > propeller at a similar price, without a spinner. > > Jim Ayers > Less Drag Products, Inc. > > PS I sure hope this doesn't start the controversy that occurred when I > mentioned I was testing an Ivoprop. :-) > I could say that I avoided saying anything prior to now, during the test > flights, because of that lengthy thread. > > > > > > > -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:30 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re(2): RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com > >In a message dated 02/11/2004 2:58:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, >klwerner@comcast.net writes: >--> RV-List message posted by: > >Jim, >How do they fare with modified engines in terms of harmonic vibrations, i.e. >with Higher Compression / Electronic Ignition? >What is the weight of such a aluminum MT prop? >Konrad > >I will ask MT Propeller in Germany, tonight, for a specific answer about high >compression pistons and electronic ignition. >Since they started with their 2 blade propeller hub rated for 300 hp, I >wouldn't expect it to be a concern. >The aluminum blades are heavier blades than what MT normally uses. >I do know that the maximum RPM is limited to 2750 RPM on the Lycoming 360 >engine, instead of MT's normal 2800 RPM restriction. > There is a lot more to harmonic vibration than the power that the prop hub was designed for. The resonant frequency of the blades vs the frequency spectrum produced by the engine is a much bigger issue. Just look at the FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet P-920 for the Hartzell props that many of us are using - you will find widely varying rpm restrictions for different model O-360s using the same hub, even though many of the engines have the same power output. Search page: Direct link to TCDS P-920: -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:56 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Link can be found here: http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/Proposal-LuckyMacy.pdf Enjoy, Mike Stewart -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV8ter@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com Hello, I received a detailed proposal from Crossflow today which I don't mind making available to others potentially interested in a Subie conversion. I got a couple of private emails from the Subie list from folks thinking this was a superior design to the Eggenfellner engine for a few reasons but what struck me chiefly is it had the option of using a hydraulic prop governor. So I looked into it. With the Egg, you have to use fixed or electric governor (yuch) which is for me is like castration to an RV for acro. But I don't want to email it out to everyone individually so I'm looking for a place to put it which folks can download if they so chose. Who wants to host it for others? == == == == ________________________________ Message 72 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:01 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > >Hello, >I received a detailed proposal from Crossflow today which I don't mind making >available to others potentially interested in a Subie conversion. I got a >couple of private emails from the Subie list from folks thinking this was a >superior design to the Eggenfellner engine for a few reasons but >what struck me >chiefly is it had the option of using a hydraulic prop governor. So I looked >into it. With the Egg, you have to use fixed or electric governor >(yuch) which is >for me is like castration to an RV for acro. > >But I don't want to email it out to everyone individually so I'm looking for >a place to put it which folks can download if they so chose. Who wants to >host it for others? > I can host if if you want. Just e-mail it to me direct, and I'll put it up and post a message with the URL. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 73 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:01 PM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: RE: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" thanks! lucky >From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal >Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:59:36 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > >Link can be found here: >http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/Proposal-LuckyMacy.pdf > >Enjoy, >Mike Stewart > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV8ter@aol.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv8-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal > >--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > >Hello, >I received a detailed proposal from Crossflow today which I don't mind >making >available to others potentially interested in a Subie conversion. I got >a >couple of private emails from the Subie list from folks thinking this >was a >superior design to the Eggenfellner engine for a few reasons but what >struck me >chiefly is it had the option of using a hydraulic prop governor. So I >looked >into it. With the Egg, you have to use fixed or electric governor (yuch) >which is >for me is like castration to an RV for acro. > >But I don't want to email it out to everyone individually so I'm looking >for >a place to put it which folks can download if they so chose. Who wants >to >host it for others? > > >== >== >== >== > > Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 74 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:49 PM PST US From: Gert Subject: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: Gert so where does Tite-seal fit in, I was originally told by somebody at ACS at OSH03 that tite-seal had some fine gritty compound it to prevent threaded parts from loosening up. Gert -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 75 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:01 PM PST US From: "Dr. Leathers" Subject: RV-List: ebay Lycomings --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" Hey Guys, There are some good looking 320 and 360 Lycomings for sale on ebay right now! Doc ________________________________ Message 76 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:05 PM PST US From: "Mike Nellis" Subject: RE: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" I've used tite-seal on my brake cylinder fitting and it does have some "grit" type of stuff in it. It's more like a paste and is actually a little sticky to the touch unlike EZ Lube which is smooth like a lite lithium grease. Mike Nellis RV-6 Fuselage N699BM 1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K http://bmnellis.com *** -----Original Message----- *** From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com *** [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert *** Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:08 PM *** To: rv-list *** Subject: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube *** *** *** --> RV-List message posted by: Gert *** *** so where does Tite-seal fit in, I was originally told by *** somebody at ACS *** at OSH03 that tite-seal had some fine gritty compound it to prevent *** threaded parts from loosening up. *** *** *** Gert *** -- *** is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 *** *** *** ============== *** Matronics Forums. *** ============== *** ============== *** ============== *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ________________________________ Message 77 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:36 PM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bendix/King Avionics Repair Experience --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" I had good luck with these folks about 4 years ago. They might be able to help you at a little better price. All it'd cost you to find out is the call. Nothing if you email. Bevan Rabell, Inc 1880 Airport Road Wichita, KS 67209 US Email: kmcintyre@bevanrabell.com 316-946-4870 Bryan Jones -8 www.LoneStarSquadron.com Houston, Texas > >Does anyone have experience with Bendix-King factory repairs. From the >sound >of it, the minimum charge for just the estimate on my KLX/135A GPS is $380. >Evidently, only one repair facility in the US is authorized to open it up. > >Also, does anyone else in the New Jersey/Eastern Pennsylvania area have >KLX >135/A GPS/Com. I would like to plug my GPS into another acft to make sure >its >the GPS and not some other problem. I've tried a new antenna and cable. >It >is having trouble reciving/holding satellite fixes. > >Dave Beizer >South Jersey Regional >RV-6A > overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 78 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" Hi, I don't know much about CS props... Why is an electric prop governor "yuch" and "like castration to an RV for acro"? Frank Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future ________________________________ Message 79 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:06 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Jim Jewell ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Jim Jewell Subject: Dynon Compass Module http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/jjewell@telus.net.02.11.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 80 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:10 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Bob Olds ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bob Olds Subject: Permanent Plate-nut Drill Jig http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.02.11.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 81 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:59 PM PST US From: Leesafur@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... --> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com He is on AOL and I was able to IM him and tell him how to unsubscribe! Lee Anoka MN RV-3 wing ________________________________ Message 82 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:52 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" , , , , Subject: Re: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" I just forwarded the messages to abuse@aol.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" ; ; ; Subject: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... > --> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) > > > Hi Ed and all, > > This annoying fellow has been unsubscribed. I was able to kill a whole > bunch of similar posts from him, but unfortunately quite a few got > through before I could stop them. Funny how he could take the time > to send out all those offensive messages, but not the time to unsubscribe > himself. > > My appologies. > > Matt Dralle > List Admin. > > > >-------------- > >Hi Matt, > > > >I don't know where the below email came from other than its the Racing4Funn > >address, but the message it conveys clearly falls below the standards we set > >for ourselves on the lists - even when parties get emotional. So I (and I'm > >sure most others agree) this is no place for folks like this on the list. I > >presume that he is a subscriber, so unsubscribing him would be the > >appropriate action. If it was an unauthorized use of some legitimate > >subscribers e mail, then he should at least be make aware of it. > > > >Sincerely > > > >Ed > >Ed Anderson > >RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > >Matthews, NC > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: ; > >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 7:33 PM > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal > > > > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com > >> > >> F*CK Y*U!!! > >-------------- > > > -- > > > Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > ________________________________ Message 83 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:15 PM PST US From: "David Taylor" Subject: Re: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... --> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" Matt, Personally I expect buttheads such as this. I cannot speak for anyone else on this list but I understand how this happens Please do not feel bad and know that people like myself appreciate this list. -David Taylor RV-6A (wings) Warner Robins, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" ; ; ; Subject: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... > --> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) > > > Hi Ed and all, > > This annoying fellow has been unsubscribed. I was able to kill a whole > bunch of similar posts from him, but unfortunately quite a few got > through before I could stop them. Funny how he could take the time > to send out all those offensive messages, but not the time to unsubscribe > himself. > > My appologies. > > Matt Dralle > List Admin. > > > >-------------- > >Hi Matt, > > > >I don't know where the below email came from other than its the Racing4Funn > >address, but the message it conveys clearly falls below the standards we set > >for ourselves on the lists - even when parties get emotional. So I (and I'm > >sure most others agree) this is no place for folks like this on the list. I > >presume that he is a subscriber, so unsubscribing him would be the > >appropriate action. If it was an unauthorized use of some legitimate > >subscribers e mail, then he should at least be make aware of it. > > > >Sincerely > > > >Ed > >Ed Anderson > >RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > >Matthews, NC > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: ; > >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 7:33 PM > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal > > > > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com > >> > >> F*CK Y*U!!! > >-------------- > > > -- > > > Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > ________________________________ Message 84 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:12 PM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: Re(2): Re(2): RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 02/11/2004 5:53:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, khorton01@rogers.com writes: There is a lot more to harmonic vibration than the power that the prop hub was designed for. The resonant frequency of the blades vs the frequency spectrum produced by the engine is a much bigger issue. Just look at the FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet P-920 for the Hartzell props that many of us are using - you will find widely varying rpm restrictions for different model O-360s using the same hub, even though many of the engines have the same power output. Search page: Direct link to TCDS P-920: -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ MT Propeller had already gone through all of the analysis and testing before I received a propeller from them. All I did was a performance comparison flight. I wonder why do I feel like some of you guys like to shoot the messenger? Please remember that MT Propeller is a certified propeller manufacturer. They have been through all of this with every propeller they manufacture. They have specific RPM restrictions for their standard propellers on the non counterweighted crankshaft Lycoming 360 engine, also. Been there, done that. This one is different. It was designed specifically to not have any Mid Range RPM restriction on any Lycoming 360 engine. Cyclic loads, harmonics, the whole 9 yards. If you just bought a Hartzell, then I guess I can feel sorry for you. Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 85 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:18 PM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 02/11/2004 4:41:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, evmeg@snowcrest.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Have you guys got one for the IO540......a few of us out here are building the 10 :) Thanks....Evan That's one of the first questions I asked. I have a IO-540 engine, also. MT Propeller has identified the Lycoming 540 engine as a candidate project for this propeller design. I do not know the schedule. (Maybe I'll have to get my 540 flying before they'll bring this project forward.) Jim Ayers Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 86 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:28 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" Thanks for all the great info and tips on this subject. That's why I continue to value this list so much. I always rest a little easier after knowing that I have the knowledge to do the job right after asking. Thanks again everyone! Karie Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube > --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > > Just a reminder....Whatever you use, put it on the male threads ONLY and > lightly. Putting anything like fuel lube inside a fitting will stay there. > The male fitting will push anything on the female threads ahead of it and > form a "donut" which can break loose & clog filters, injectors etc. Fuel > lube does not dissolve into the fuel/oil and disperse, it will stay in the > system as a solid. That's why it makes such a good sealant. MALE THREADS > ONLY. Do Not Archive, this advise is in there already. KABONG (GBA) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Peterson" > To: > Subject: RE: RV-List: Baker Seal vs Fuel Lube > > > I'm wondering, what the best thing to use for fuel line > > > fittings? I have some Baker Seal but I have been told that > > > fuel lube is what is recommended. > > ________________________________ Message 87 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:15 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: Re(2): Re(2): RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" So Jim, How did the performance compare? Ed Holyoke >All I did was a performance comparison flight. I wonder why do I feel like some of you guys like to shoot the messenger? Please remember that MT Propeller is a certified propeller manufacturer. They have been through all of this with every propeller they manufacture. They have specific RPM restrictions for their standard propellers on the non counterweighted crankshaft Lycoming 360 engine, also. Been there, done that. This one is different. It was designed specifically to not have any Mid Range RPM restriction on any Lycoming 360 engine. Cyclic loads, harmonics, the whole 9 yards. If you just bought a Hartzell, then I guess I can feel sorry for you. Jim Ayers == == == == ________________________________ Message 88 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:10 PM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: Re: Re(2): Re(2): RV-List: !New! CS props for sale --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com In a message dated 02/11/2004 10:57:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, bicyclop@pacbell.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" So Jim, How did the performance compare? Ed Holyoke Hi Ed, I'm trying to get the performance data on my website at the "Lycoming 360 engine" page. It should be there tomorrow, I hope. www.lessdrag.com Basically, the performance is the same. The Hartzell is slightly faster at 2,500'. And the MT Propeller is slightly faster from 5,000' through 12,500' at the lower RPM's and the Hartzell prop was sometimes faster above 2500 RPM. The main difference is that being able to run continuous between 2300 and 2000 RPM. At 12,500', there was no speed loss at 2200 RPM, and the fuel flow was 6.8 gph. 2100 RPM lost 4 mph with a fuel flow at 6.5 gph. In fact, from 2700 RPM to 2200 RPM the airspeed was within 1 mph, but the fuel flow went from 8.4 gph to 6.8 gph. Jim Ayers