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1. 08:42 AM - Propeller (Ron Walker)
2. 09:26 AM - Global QCS Propeller issues (Rv4flyr@aol.com)
3. 09:39 AM - Extra part, HELP (Rich Crosley)
4. 10:08 AM - Re: Fuse kit (Bill Schlatterer)
5. 10:27 AM - Re: Vans orders. Web or call em? (Karie Daniel)
6. 10:28 AM - Proseal (Cartridge) Question (Dwight Frye)
7. 10:46 AM - Re: Extra part, HELP (Gert)
8. 11:50 AM - Re: Vans orders. Web or call em? (Mickey Coggins)
9. 11:52 AM - Re: Canopy (Jim and Bev Cone)
10. 12:03 PM - Re: Canopy (SportAV8R@aol.com)
11. 12:14 PM - Re: Proseal (Cartridge) Question (Richard E. Tasker)
12. 12:59 PM - Re: Vans orders. Web or call em? (Karie Daniel)
13. 02:14 PM - Re: Canopy (Doug Weiler)
14. 04:20 PM - Re: Proseal (Cartridge) Question (Dwight Frye)
15. 08:06 PM - Static pressure line drain (PeterHunt1@aol.com)
16. 11:22 PM - Re: Static pressure line drain (Jim Jewell)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" <ron@walker.net>
In the Spruce catalog, I've noticed propellors by the Prince Aircraft
Company ... It's a wood core with composite covering designed in such a way
that it high power settings (takeoff, climb) it adjusts in pitch to increase
RPM. Then in cruise, it opens up to a cruise pitch. Says that the pitch
change is 4" between climb/cruise just by the design/construction of it.
While there is no RV application listed, it is approved for an O-360
powerplant.
Does anyone have any experience using these props ? Any comments ? (novice
prop guy here)
Ron
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| Subject: | Global QCS Propeller issues |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rv4flyr@aol.com
Just thought I'd tell in brief the story of my experiences with the
ground-adjustable fixed-pitch Quasi-Constant-Speed (QCS) carbon composite propeller
from Global Aircraft of Starkville, MS as installed on my 150 hp Lycoming O-320
powered RV-4.
A use of the Archive search engine will bring up some some info about this
prop (not all of which is correct -at least about the propeller version I
received), as well as an article on propellers in Sport Aviation last year... but
in
brief...
Ordered propeller November 25, 2002. Received it quite some time later.
Installed propeller as per the manufacturer's instructions and proceded to test
it.
In a the first few hours of testing I was disappointed, as it was my
*opinion* that the propeller was no faster or better performing than my Pacesetter
68x69 that it replaced -despite the claims made by the manufacturer. I was fairly
careful in the way I kept track of speeds -using an online utility/program to
determine the true airspeed based on flying different headings and recording
GPS ground speeds and then mathmatically figuring the winds aloft out of the
results (see www.reacomp.com for more on this and to try this applet for
yourself).
After less than 5 hours of operation (which obviously didn't allow for much
in depth testing), I had problems with the paint flaking off the blades for no
reason and a then short few seconds flying through light rain at reduced power
removed much more of the paint. I removed the prop to inspect it at this
point -thoroughly cleaning it, and found cracks at the root ends of both blades
in
the metal (aluminum) reinforced area that clamps into the hub block. I have
pictures -showing the cracks with magnification only and with dye-penetrant as
well. They could easily be felt with the fingernails.
The propeller was shipped back to the manufacturer on 07/10/2003 according to
my records, and phone conversations shortly thereafter with the manufacturer
confirmed that it had arrived and that they were going to employ a
metallurgist to inspect the prop and get back to me with the results. Long story
short, I
had a phone conversation with Mike Smith Sr. of Global Aircraft this past
week (week of February 8th, 2004 -over 6 months after the propeller shipped) and
was told the metallurgist had not yet inspected the propeller. I was denied
any refund of my money when I asked and was not told when I could expect to
received a repaired propeller either.
I am out the $3465.00 I paid for the propeller, and do not have the propeller
itself either at this point, and my last conversation with Mr. Smith ended up
with him hanging the phone up on me or somehow otherwise suddenly losing the
connection.
I felt it was my duty as a fellow pilot and experimental operator to post
this opinion/report and would be interested in knowing whether or not any other
list subscribers have had experiences with this company and what those
experiences are/were.
Thanks,
Scott
Incidently, my RV-4 placed first in class in the 2003 EAA Airventure Cup
-with the old pacesetter wood prop installed again.
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| Subject: | Extra part, HELP |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rich Crosley" <dirtrider@qnet.com>
I am building an RV-8, installing engine and canopy, finish stuff. In a box
I found the fuselage gusset bag with a one piece of aluminum left and after
going through the drawings several times I can't find where it is used.
Maybe it's not used on a tail dragger! Anyway it's marked "AS3-125 2.625
x 3.5" . If anyone can remember this guy I'd appreciate it. Which drawing?
There is a picture of it on that little gusset sheet, but no info.
Thanks,
Rich Crosley
Palmdale, CA
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Sorry, mine came last month and were wrapped up inside the large plans set!
Thanks Bill S
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cammie Patch
Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuse kit
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
Thanks for the reply Ron. I guess no one else has received a -7 fuse kit
lately. I finally found the inventory list, it was wrapped up with some of
the parts (the new rudder kit) in the bottom of the box. It was literally
one of the last parts to be unwrapped. I have yet to see any -7 instructions
to replace the -6 plans binder, I guess I'll have to call Van's. Maybe the
list is placed in a variety of locations depending on what options (I have a
tip up nose dragging new ruddered stepless setup.
Cammie
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" <ron@walker.net>
My pick list was stapled to the inside wall of the crate -- along with the
instructions for installing the step kit. If they are not that obvious, I'd
be asking Vans about it. I think the added pages were inside of the larger
drawings. Yep .. I just checked my photos and sure enough they are stapled
to the inside wall of the box that contains the rollbar and plans. Not sure
if this list allows attachments , but I'll try.
Ron
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
>
>
> I just got my fuselage kit, began constructing the huge mound of paper.
I've
> been through both boxes but I can't find the inventory list or pages to
add
> to my instruction book (I'm a rv6 to rv7 convert so I need pages for the
7).
> Can anybody tell me where to look?
> Cammie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vans orders. Web or call em? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I usually have something arrive each week from Vans. I normally order
through the web on Monday or Tuesday and it's always on my door by Thursday
or Friday. I've never had a problem. I have always selected 3 day UPS since
it's only a fraction more than the standard ground. Maybe that's the trick.
Karie Daniel
Sammamish, WA
RV-7A
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Vans orders. Web or call em?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
> Mike,
>
> I do both, BUT .....
>
> I have a note on file that says something like "always ship UPS 2-day" (or
> something to that effect). A Southeast hub for UPS is here in Columbia.
>
> When I call, I know that if it is near 3PM it will not make it out that
day
> (not a problem in your case).
>
> When it is internet, I **think** they pull those orders once per day (at
> least I think someone there told me that). Again, should not be a problem
> with your 3AM PST ordering.
>
> Another point I seem to recall is that they try to minimize the default
> shipping costs to us and thus they allow it to take "several" days to keep
> our costs down.
>
> Since I was experiencing delays I did not like some time in the past (just
> as you ... if I ordered it during the week, I REALLY wanted it by the
> weekend), I had the adder to my file as mentioned above. Of course that
> means that I pay more for shipping but it flags them that if I have called
> something in I probably want it "last week" :-). This seems to work.
>
> Hope this helps as I understand the frustration.
>
> James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael
> > (ISS Atlanta)
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:03 AM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Vans orders. Web or call em?
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> > <mstewart@iss.net>
> >
> > Current builders ordering a lot......
> >
> > Can you advise on whether, from a timing perspective, you use the web or
> > call vans when placing an order?
> >
> > In the past days, say 4 years ago, my experience was there was no
> > difference between calling and ordering on the web.
> >
> > However, my last three web orders take 3 days to ship.
> >
> > I enter web order Monday morning, 3am pst. And it does not ship till
> > Wednesday. And I get it 5 days later. Which means I cant order it on a
> > Monday and have it for the weekend. ARGH!
> >
> > I generally don't want to call them as this just keeps prices up and can
> > be much less efficient. But if this is now common, then I will call for
> > my orders, if calling means it ships that day.
> >
> >
> > Advice?
> >
> >
> > Michael Stewart
> >
> > Repeat offender loving this PP stuff.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Proseal (Cartridge) Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Ok ... I've prosealed the stiffeners (and sump fitting, and filler ring) on
one tank skin, and using the cartridges for the Semco gun was fantastic, if
a bit pricy. Once I finished that tank I was out of time for the weekend
(and the week) so the remaining third of the cartridge, not used, had to
be tossed.
Today I'm about to seal the stiffeners on the other tank and expect to use
only about 2/3 of the cartridge again, but this time I'll be able to leap
to the next tank (installing ribs) tomorrow. If I put the partially used
cartridge, already mixed with the catylist, in the fridge ... will the
remaining proseal be usable the next day? I'd love to avoid tossing out
a third of my proseal again this time, if at all possible.
-- Dwight
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Extra part, HELP |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
taking a stab here....is that the piece which you can use as a filler
between the front spar of the vertical stab and the plate that bolts to
the front spar of the horizontal stab to hold the vert spar....
Rich Crosley wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rich Crosley" <dirtrider@qnet.com>
>
> I am building an RV-8, installing engine and canopy, finish stuff. In a box
> I found the fuselage gusset bag with a one piece of aluminum left and after
> going through the drawings several times I can't find where it is used.
> Maybe it's not used on a tail dragger! Anyway it's marked "AS3-125 2.625
> x 3.5" . If anyone can remember this guy I'd appreciate it. Which drawing?
> There is a picture of it on that little gusset sheet, but no info.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich Crosley
> Palmdale, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vans orders. Web or call em? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Every week? Wow - what kind of stuff are you ordering, if
I might ask? Weekly shipments from the USA to my house will
bankrupt me, unless I buy massive amounts of stock in UPS.
Mickey
>I usually have something arrive each week from Vans. ...
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim and Bev Cone" <jimnbev@olypen.com>
If you check the archives you will find Jim Cone's one man installation instructions
that are very helpful. I know this because I wrote them and have fitted
two canopies by myself and helped on several others. The short answer as to
where to cut the canopy is to turn the canopy upside down and lay the sliding
part of the frame in the "tub". It will fit well in only one place. Mark this
with a marker, remove the frame and cut away. I am just at this point on my
new 7A and plan to use the instructions again.
Jim Cone
3-peat offender
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--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Jim: curious - will this technique work for the tip-up configuration, with appropriate
interfering side pieces removed? I may need to do a retrofit one day
if a crack in mine decides to propagtate. So far this has happened only once
in 360 hrs, but one never knows.
-Bill B
-6A
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal (Cartridge) Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Freeze it. It will last a week or more then. Just thaw it out for a
few minutes when you are ready to use it. I did this with 30 cc
syringes for my tanks and it worked great.
Dick Tasker, RV9A
Dwight Frye wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>
>Ok ... I've prosealed the stiffeners (and sump fitting, and filler ring) on
>one tank skin, and using the cartridges for the Semco gun was fantastic, if
>a bit pricy. Once I finished that tank I was out of time for the weekend
>(and the week) so the remaining third of the cartridge, not used, had to
>be tossed.
>
>Today I'm about to seal the stiffeners on the other tank and expect to use
>only about 2/3 of the cartridge again, but this time I'll be able to leap
>to the next tank (installing ribs) tomorrow. If I put the partially used
>cartridge, already mixed with the catylist, in the fridge ... will the
>remaining proseal be usable the next day? I'd love to avoid tossing out
>a third of my proseal again this time, if at all possible.
>
> -- Dwight
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vans orders. Web or call em? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
> Every week? Wow - what kind of stuff are you ordering, if
> I might ask? Weekly shipments from the USA to my house will
> bankrupt me, unless I buy massive amounts of stock in UPS.
Week before last week it was the steps that attach to the fuselage to get
into the aircraft, week after it was the fuel pump this week a 12.00 dollar
part I screwed up while installing the fuel pump! The list goes on, harness
set, fuel valve, ELT, landing light, yada yada yada. No, I haven't gone
bankrupt...yet but it is getting harder to get home from work before my wife
does to whisk these things off the doorstep. :-)
It's sort of an unspoken arrangement at our house. She has a new car, new
clothes I drive a 93 Pathfinder and if I'm lucky I get a new pair of Nike's
for Christmas. But I do have a plane in the garage, sounds like a pretty
good deal to me.
Karie Daniel
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans orders. Web or call em?
> Every week? Wow - what kind of stuff are you ordering, if
> I might ask? Weekly shipments from the USA to my house will
> bankrupt me, unless I buy massive amounts of stock in UPS.
>
> Mickey
>
> >I usually have something arrive each week from Vans. ...
>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
> do not archive
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
>
> If you check the archives you will find Jim Cone's one man installation
instructions that are very helpful. I know this because I wrote them and
have fitted two canopies by myself and helped on several others. The short
answer as to where to cut the canopy is to turn the canopy upside down and
lay the sliding part of the frame in the "tub". It will fit well in only
one place. Mark this with a marker, remove the frame and cut away. I am
just at this point on my new 7A and plan to use the instructions again.
>
> Jim Cone
> 3-peat offender
Jim,
That is an interesting way of doing it. Would this method for the for RV-4
do you think?
Doug Weiler
RV-4 N722DW... about to install a new canopy
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal (Cartridge) Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Dick,
Thanks! I had not thought about freezing ... but now that you mention
the idea, it makes a lot of sense.
-- Dwight
On Sat Feb 14 15:11:19 2004, Richard E. Tasker wrote :
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
>
>Freeze it. It will last a week or more then. Just thaw it out for a
>few minutes when you are ready to use it. I did this with 30 cc
>syringes for my tanks and it worked great.
>
>Dick Tasker, RV9A
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| Subject: | Static pressure line drain |
--> RV-List message posted by: PeterHunt1@aol.com
Dale asked about installing a drain in the static line.
Even with a tail dragger I had a low spot in my static line just in front of
my instrument panel. At that point I installed a "T" fitting in my static
line with a three inch vertical tube (to catch the water) coming down from the
"T." At the bottom of this line I installed a "radiator drain" type valve like
on a car radiator. I found my drain valve at Home Depot in the plumbing
department where they sell all those small parts for copper tubing.
Pete Hunt
Clearwater, FL
RV-6, Installing engine
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| Subject: | Re: Static pressure line drain |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Pete,
How often have you found it necessary to use the drain so far?
Do you have a separate fitting at a higher location for alternate static
air.
I am being told that condensation gets in the line and represents a blocking
hazard due to freezing and also a moisture threat to instruments. I don't
doubt this happens but I do wonder how commonly it actually requires
attention.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: <PeterHunt1@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Static pressure line drain
> --> RV-List message posted by: PeterHunt1@aol.com
>
> Dale asked about installing a drain in the static line.
>
> Even with a tail dragger I had a low spot in my static line just in front
of
> my instrument panel. At that point I installed a "T" fitting in my static
> line with a three inch vertical tube (to catch the water) coming down from
the
> "T." At the bottom of this line I installed a "radiator drain" type valve
like
> on a car radiator. I found my drain valve at Home Depot in the plumbing
> department where they sell all those small parts for copper tubing.
>
> Pete Hunt
> Clearwater, FL
> RV-6, Installing engine
>
>
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