---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/16/04: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:58 AM - Re: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery (Larry Bowen) 2. 05:33 AM - Re: Top mounted antenna (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 3. 06:39 AM - Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? (Roger Evenson) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery (Doug Rozendaal) 5. 07:23 AM - Re: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery (Ross Mickey) 6. 07:27 AM - Com Antenna Placement (tacaruth@ralcorp.com) 7. 08:13 AM - Re: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? (Dj Merrill) 8. 09:00 AM - SPRAYLAT (Bruce Bell) 9. 09:01 AM - Re: Com Antenna Placement (N67BT@aol.com) 10. 09:24 AM - Re: SPRAYLAT (Bruce Gray) 11. 09:43 AM - Re: SPRAYLAT & unmask (Tim Bryan) 12. 10:11 AM - Re: SPRAYLAT & unmask (Bruce Gray) 13. 10:22 AM - Re: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? (Larry Bowen) 14. 10:39 AM - Re: SPRAYLAT (Stein Bruch) 15. 10:40 AM - Re: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? (Glenn Brasch) 16. 10:59 AM - Re: SPRAYLAT & unmask (Dan Checkoway) 17. 11:33 AM - Jim Cone and Eric Newton's Canopy Instructions (Greg Grigson) 18. 11:42 AM - SPRAYLAT (Bruce Bell) 19. 11:49 AM - Re: SPRAYLAT & unmask (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 20. 12:00 PM - Re: SPRAYLAT & unmask (linn walters) 21. 12:06 PM - Sam James wheel pants (Paul Brown) 22. 12:12 PM - Re: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery (Mickey Coggins) 23. 12:51 PM - Re: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery (Sam Buchanan) 24. 01:27 PM - Re: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? (Dj Merrill) 25. 01:27 PM - Re: SPRAYLAT & unmask (Tim Bryan) 26. 01:49 PM - Jim Cone and Eric Newton's Canopy Instructions (pauls@kc.rr.com) 27. 02:29 PM - Re: SPRAYLAT & unmask (linn walters) 28. 06:36 PM - Engine drawings (Off topic) (Brian Kraut) 29. 06:42 PM - Re: Engine drawings (Off topic) (Bruce Gray) 30. 07:01 PM - Re: SPRAYLAT & unmask (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 31. 07:22 PM - Re: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery (Ross Mickey) 32. 07:30 PM - Re: CrossFlow Subie engine (Tracy Crook) 33. 07:50 PM - Re: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? (Roger Evenson) 34. 08:03 PM - Re: SPRAYLAT & unmask (steve dinieri) 35. 08:07 PM - Re: CrossFlow Subie engine (Charles Becker) 36. 08:10 PM - Re: CrossFlow Subie engine (Brian Denk) 37. 08:12 PM - Re: TCM FADEC for the Lycoming (Dave Ford) 38. 08:51 PM - Re: Engine drawings (Off topic) (Dan Checkoway) 39. 09:00 PM - Re: CrossFlow Subie engine (Tedd McHenry) 40. 09:13 PM - Re: CrossFlow Subie engine (Brian Denk) 41. 10:03 PM - Re: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? (Henry Hochberg) 42. 11:32 PM - Re: Canopy (Jim and Bev Cone) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:08 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" It's accessible. I swapped out my battery out for a new one months ago when they had the battery problem. It's not hard. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: David Carter [mailto:dcarter@datarecall.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:11 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" > > I can't remember - did you think to pull the internal battery > and reboot before you sent it back, or has that remedy come > to light after this thread developed? > > Would that, in fact, prevent having to send the unit back to > be reset? Or, is the internal battery too hard for the owner > to access? > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross Mickey" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Buchanan" > > > > > Do you have the remote magnetometer? > > > > Yes > > > > >Is it on a different power bus from the Dynon? > > > > No. When I got the internal battery, I took the Dynon off my > > essential > bus. > > I will now be putting it back on the essential. > > > > >Could it be that the mag remained powered up during the fuel stop > > >which > > caused a crash when the EFIS came back on line? > > > > No. When I shut down, I turned off the power that is common to both > units. > > Thge only odd thing that happened before startup was that I > > accidentally turned the main power switch on while I was rummaging > > around in the > plane, > > I MAY have turned the power off while the boot screen was > on. When I > turned > > the main power on, it switched to internal power and the > blue screen > > remained. I did not think of this before I sent the unit in for > > repairs. In any case, I will be doing without the internal battery. > > > > > If not, you probably just have a sick unit and I am sure > a healthy > > > one > is > > on the way to you. > > > > I hope so. The weather is supposed to break on Thursday. > > > > Ross > > > > > > > ============ > Matronics Forums. > ============ > ============ > ============ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:00 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Top mounted antenna --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com While on this subject has anyone else ever tested the performance of an ELT antenna mounted under the fiberglass fairing between the rudder and horizontal. I made some measurements with my MFJ-259B antenna analyzer and found that, when mounted there, there was an extremely high SWR and no resonance indicated. (I am a ham operator.) Therefore, the antenna will radiate very poorly. For that reason I am seriously considering putting the ELT antenna on the turtle deck. When it is in the clear, the SWR measures about 1.5:1 which is acceptable. Does anyone know about how serious the additional drag would be? In a message dated 2/15/04 11:25:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time, sbuc@hiwaay.net writes: > Doug Weiler wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" > > His question is whether anyone has had any experience with a > >top mounted antenna mounted roughly halfway between the canopy and the > >vertical fin. Specifically any RF interference with such an installation. > > > The com antenna mounted on the turtle deck of my RV-6 has always worked > very nicely for me. > > Sam Buchanan (RV-6 545 hrs) > http://thervjournal.com > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:15 AM PST US From: "Roger Evenson" Subject: RV-List: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" Have recently become aware of the Monroy ATD-200 traffic detection unit. If anyone out there has experience with this or similar units, I'd sure like to hear some opinions. Thanks. Roger. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:29 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" All, It is not hard to swap out the battery, and it would not be difficult to put a switch in the battery line that made the battery power controllable. 1 switch, 2 feet of wire and some heat shrink. Cut a small notch in the battery cover and away you go! VFR folks can do what ever they want, instruments are a luxury not a necessity for VFR, but I have been in an airplane IFR at night with no power but a flashlight, and it is a lonesome feeling. I have to take issue with those who are quick to remove the battery in an IFR airplane. If your electric T&B is the back up to your Dynon no matter how many busses you have, they still come back to the same battery. The internal battery in the Dynon is one of it's most important features to me. I have had not trouble with lockups, but I like the idea of having a switch on it. You could leave the switch on or off, it would not matter, but you could do a reboot then if it locked up. The old addage is true, "If you want to sell it to a pilot, put a switch on it, if it has a light and a bell, they can't resist!" Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:38 AM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carter" > > I can't remember - did you think to pull the internal battery and reboot > before you sent it back, or has that remedy come to light after this thread > developed? > > Would that, in fact, prevent having to send the unit back to be reset? Or, > is the internal battery too hard for the owner to access? > > David Pulling the internal battery on my installed unit is impossible without removing the unit from the panel. The problem was solved prior to sending the unit back by letting the internal battery drain. When the battery was dead, the unit shut off. When I turned the unit on via the master switch, it worked fine. I sent it back because they wanted to look at it and it had another problem. Occasionally, it would boot up with missing characters in many of the fields. This would be remedied by turning the unit off. I also wanted to return the internal battery. Ross ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:25 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Com Antenna Placement From: tacaruth@ralcorp.com 02/16/2004 09:27:21 AM --> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com Hi All, I am building an RV-7A and would like to place a bent whip com antenna on the belly. Where would be the best place for this? Would behind the baggage compartment be too far aft? Thanks in advance Tom ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:49 AM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV-List: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? --> RV-List message posted by: Dj Merrill Roger Evenson wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" > > Have recently become aware of the Monroy ATD-200 traffic detection unit. If anyone out there has experience with this or similar units, I'd sure like to hear some opinions. Thanks. Roger. I've used the Surecheck TPAS unit (rx-110 I think is the model). It will tell you if there is traffic nearby, but don't expect the digital distance readout to be terribly accurate. IMHO, that doesn't matter that much, as I just want to know when somehting is within 5 miles of me to get more of my attention outside. I picked it up refurbished from Ebay for about $200, so the price is right. Surecheck has newer models out now (VPX) that will tell you difference in altitude from your present position. Of course, it cost more money, too (about $1100 I think). -Dj ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:29 AM PST US From: "Bruce Bell" Subject: RV-List: SPRAYLAT --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Has anyone applied SPRAYLAT to their canopy with a brush? What were the results? Best regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 DO NOT ARCHIVE! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:54 AM PST US From: N67BT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Com Antenna Placement --> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com >I am building an RV-7A and would like to place a bent whip com antenna on >the belly. Where would be the best place for this? Would behind the >baggage compartment be too far aft? > >Thanks in advance >Tom Consider putting the com antenna in the elevator push/pull tube tunnel that passes through the baggage compartment. I did that to avoid possible interference with the other stuff (strobe power supply, ELT, etc.) which I mounted behind the baggage compartment area. This also seems like a good asthetics/performance compromise. We shall see. Bob Trumpfheller RV7A Wiring in progress ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:45 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: SPRAYLAT --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" It works just fine. Make sure you use at least 2 coats. The thicker is is, the easier it is to remove. I've removed Spraylat (brushed on) after 10 years with no problem. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bell Subject: RV-List: SPRAYLAT --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Has anyone applied SPRAYLAT to their canopy with a brush? What were the results? Best regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 DO NOT ARCHIVE! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:55 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" How interesting. I was just looking at this product this morning while trying to find something to take the masking tape off my canopy. Now I have two questions: Can Spray Lat be used to mask off the area while fiberglassing? Will the unmask product remove the masking tape that has been on there for way too long? I have some masking tape on the front edge where the canopy meets the fuse. I am going to fiberglass over that area so won't see the results but don't want to cause a reaction. Any body with experience in this product as well? Please share. Tim Bryan RV-6 N616TB -------Original Message------- From: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: SPRAYLAT --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Has anyone applied SPRAYLAT to their canopy with a brush? What were the results? Best regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 DO NOT ARCHIVE! . ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:35 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" I would NOT fiberglass over masking tape. Do whatever is necessary to remove it, including sandpaper. You want to take some fine sandpaper (320 Grit or so) and scuff the plexiglass where you're going to fiberglass for a good bond. I have no experience with unmask. For areas that I want to protect during fiberglassing, I use 3M metal tape. Make sure you remove the tape before the Fiberglass cures. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" How interesting. I was just looking at this product this morning while trying to find something to take the masking tape off my canopy. Now I have two questions: Can Spray Lat be used to mask off the area while fiberglassing? Will the unmask product remove the masking tape that has been on there for way too long? I have some masking tape on the front edge where the canopy meets the fuse. I am going to fiberglass over that area so won't see the results but don't want to cause a reaction. Any body with experience in this product as well? Please share. Tim Bryan RV-6 N616TB . == == == == ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:01 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I've flown with one and have one in my yet-to-fly RV-8. I like it so far and it seems to be worth the investment. They have a newer model out, the ATD-300. http://www.monroyaero.com/trafficwatch.html - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Evenson [mailto:revenson@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:38 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" > > Have recently become aware of the Monroy ATD-200 traffic > detection unit. If anyone out there has experience with this > or similar units, I'd sure like to hear some opinions. > Thanks. Roger. > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:58 AM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hi Bruce, I have a friend who did that to his RV6 canopy. It's great stuff, and protects the canopy well, but now 2 years after he applied it, he's having issues getting it all to come off easily. Seems the trick is to get it on VERY thick, otherwise it is terribly hard to get off. Just my 2 cents! Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis http://www.steinair.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Bruce Bell" >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > >Has anyone applied SPRAYLAT to their canopy with a brush? What were the >results? >Best regards, >Bruce Bell >Lubbock, Texas >RV4 # 2888 > >DO NOT ARCHIVE! > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:44 AM PST US From: "Glenn Brasch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" What does the unit do with multiple targets? Thanks Glenn in Tucson, -9A wings, fuselage ordered. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > I've flown with one and have one in my yet-to-fly RV-8. I like it so > far and it seems to be worth the investment. They have a newer model > out, the ATD-300. http://www.monroyaero.com/trafficwatch.html > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger Evenson [mailto:revenson@comcast.net] > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:38 AM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV-List: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" > > > > Have recently become aware of the Monroy ATD-200 traffic > > detection unit. If anyone out there has experience with this > > or similar units, I'd sure like to hear some opinions. > > Thanks. Roger. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:43 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > Will the unmask product remove the masking tape that has been on there for > way too long? I have some masking tape on the front edge where the canopy Tim, I had this problem (left masking tape on there for about a year, nasty mess taking it off). Kerosene ended up being the winner-winner chicken dinner for getting all the masking tape residue off pretty easily. Best of luck, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:18 AM PST US From: Greg Grigson Subject: RV-List: Jim Cone and Eric Newton's Canopy Instructions --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson Listers: Please help me find a current source of these highly reccomended RV6 slider canopy instructions. After one hour plus or false trails I have been unable to unearth an active web source. Mahalo, Greg Grigson Honolulu --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:02 AM PST US From: "Bruce Bell" Subject: RV-List: SPRAYLAT --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Hi all, Thanks to everyone who replied to my question on applying Spraylat with a brush. I just got back from lunch with some other RV builders and fliers. 1-RV4 (me), 2-RV6, 1-RV7 and 1-RV6 FLYING! Conversation mostly on hangar doors and Sunday flying. Those of us not finished logged one hour anyway! Off to brush on Spraylat! Best regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 DO NOT ARCHIVE! ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" You will find in the archives goo-gone is also a popular favorite. I used it all over mine and it worked great. Remember to get all that goo-gone oily stuff off the canopy after the tape removal. Give it a good cleaning. Mike Stewart Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > Will the unmask product remove the masking tape that has been on there for > way too long? I have some masking tape on the front edge where the canopy Tim, I had this problem (left masking tape on there for about a year, nasty mess taking it off). Kerosene ended up being the winner-winner chicken dinner for getting all the masking tape residue off pretty easily. Best of luck, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com == == == == ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:08 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Bruce Gray wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > >I would NOT fiberglass over masking tape. > Amen! The tape will cause separations in the fiberglas later on. > Do whatever is necessary to >remove it, including sandpaper. You want to take some fine sandpaper >(320 Grit or so) and scuff the plexiglass where you're going to >fiberglass for a good bond. I have no experience with unmask. > Kerosene will soften the worst dried out masking tape. Lay a piecr of terry cloth over the masking tape and soak with the kerosene. Keep it wet. Linn >For areas that I want to protect during fiberglassing, I use 3M metal >tape. Make sure you remove the tape before the Fiberglass cures. > >Bruce >www.glasair.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" > >How interesting. I was just looking at this product this morning while >trying to find something to take the masking tape off my canopy. Now I >have >two questions: > >Can Spray Lat be used to mask off the area while fiberglassing? > >Will the unmask product remove the masking tape that has been on there >for >way too long? I have some masking tape on the front edge where the >canopy >meets the fuse. I am going to fiberglass over that area so won't see >the >results but don't want to cause a reaction. > >Any body with experience in this product as well? Please share. >Tim Bryan >RV-6 N616TB > > >. > > >== >== >== >== > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:07 PM PST US From: "Paul Brown" Subject: RV-List: Sam James wheel pants --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Brown" Listers I have a pair of Sam James "high speed wheel pants" that I will either sell or trade for Van's newer round one. I'll trade for a set that is new or have already been installed, or sell for 100 bucks. These are new and never installed or worked on. Thanks! ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:34 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins I don't have my unit yet, but are you sure they don't have some secret combination of pressing buttons that does a reboot? Something like pressing all four buttons for five seconds, or first two for five seconds, then second two for five seconds? Or ... Mickey > I have had not trouble with lockups, but I like the idea of having a switch >on it. -- -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:18 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Mickey Coggins wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > I don't have my unit yet, but are you sure > they don't have some secret combination of > pressing buttons that does a reboot? Something > like pressing all four buttons for five > seconds, or first two for five seconds, then > second two for five seconds? Or ... > The Dynon engineer with whom I was working never mentioned such a sequence. Interrupting power is the only method of rebooting of which I am aware. Matter of fact, when the voltage drops way down during starting the engine, the EFIS can reboot. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:08 PM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV-List: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? --> RV-List message posted by: Dj Merrill Glenn Brasch wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" > > What does the unit do with multiple targets? Thanks > Glenn in Tucson, -9A wings, fuselage ordered. Both the Surecheck RX-110 and the Monroy ATD-200 pick the closest target, I believe. I think the newer models may be able to track more than one, but I am not sure. -Dj ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:08 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Thanks for all the responses. I have no plans to cover the tape with fiberglass, but definately don't want to screw up the plexi trying to get it off. If others have had success with kerosene or goo off, I will give them a try. I have not heard of 3M metal tape so will look into that also. I was planning to just mask it off right before glassing and then remove before completely cured. Not about to leave tape on again. Maybe 3M metal is the answer. Thanks again Tim Bryan -------Original Message------- From: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Bruce Gray wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > >I would NOT fiberglass over masking tape. > Amen! The tape will cause separations in the fiberglas later on. > Do whatever is necessary to >remove it, including sandpaper. You want to take some fine sandpaper >(320 Grit or so) and scuff the plexiglass where you're going to >fiberglass for a good bond. I have no experience with unmask. > Kerosene will soften the worst dried out masking tape. Lay a piecr of terry cloth over the masking tape and soak with the kerosene. Keep it wet. Linn >For areas that I want to protect during fiberglassing, I use 3M metal >tape. Make sure you remove the tape before the Fiberglass cures. > >Bruce >www.glasair.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" > >How interesting. I was just looking at this product this morning while >trying to find something to take the masking tape off my canopy. Now I >have >two questions: > >Can Spray Lat be used to mask off the area while fiberglassing? > >Will the unmask product remove the masking tape that has been on there >for >way too long? I have some masking tape on the front edge where the >canopy >meets the fuse. I am going to fiberglass over that area so won't see >the >results but don't want to cause a reaction. > >Any body with experience in this product as well? Please share. >Tim Bryan >RV-6 N616TB > > >. > > >== >== >== >== > > > > . ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:01 PM PST US From: "pauls@kc.rr.com" Subject: RV-List: Jim Cone and Eric Newton's Canopy Instructions --> RV-List message posted by: "pauls@kc.rr.com" Hey Greg, Take a glance at my site: http://home.kc.rr.com/pauljana/finish/finish1.htm Paul Stratman RV-6A 'Taylor Maid' ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:57 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Tim Bryan wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" > >Thanks for all the responses. I have no plans to cover the tape with >fiberglass, but definately don't want to screw up the plexi trying to get it >off. If others have had success with kerosene or goo off, I will give them >a try. > >I have not heard of 3M metal tape so will look into that also. I was >planning to just mask it off right before glassing and then remove before >completely cured. Not about to leave tape on again. Maybe 3M metal is the >answer. > >Thanks again >Tim Bryan > >-------Original Message------- > >From: rv-list@matronics.com >Date: Monday, February 16, 2004 12:29:05 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask > >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >Bruce Gray wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" >> >>I would NOT fiberglass over masking tape. >> >> >> >Amen! The tape will cause separations in the fiberglas later on. > > > >>Do whatever is necessary to >>remove it, including sandpaper. You want to take some fine sandpaper >>(320 Grit or so) and scuff the plexiglass where you're going to >>fiberglass for a good bond. I have no experience with unmask. >> >> >> >Kerosene will soften the worst dried out masking tape. Lay a piecr of >terry cloth over the masking tape and soak with the kerosene. Keep it wet. >Linn > > > >>For areas that I want to protect during fiberglassing, I use 3M metal >>tape. Make sure you remove the tape before the Fiberglass cures. >> >>Bruce >>www.glasair.org >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask >> >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" >> >>How interesting. I was just looking at this product this morning while >>trying to find something to take the masking tape off my canopy. Now I >>have >>two questions: >> >>Can Spray Lat be used to mask off the area while fiberglassing? >> >>Will the unmask product remove the masking tape that has been on there >>for >>way too long? I have some masking tape on the front edge where the >>canopy >>meets the fuse. I am going to fiberglass over that area so won't see >>the >>results but don't want to cause a reaction. >> >>Any body with experience in this product as well? Please share. >>Tim Bryan >>RV-6 N616TB >> You can ge metal tape at Home depot or Lowes. Look in the paint section. Linn ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:37 PM PST US From: Brian Kraut Subject: RV-List: Engine drawings (Off topic) --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Kraut Can anyone tell me where I can get some CAD drawings of popular aircraft engines? I am working on a design for a 4 place aircraft and I need some engine drawings for my initial shape and sizing drawings. I would prefer 3D cad drawings, but I have not been able to find and dimensioned drawings at all yet so I will take whatever I can get for right now. I am in particular looking for a TSIO-550 as a maximum size engine, but would like an O-360 and O-320 also. Brian Kraut engalt@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:23 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine drawings (Off topic) --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Lycoming has large dimensioned installation drawings for any of their engines you want. Cost is $40 per drawing, (4x12 foot drawing, multiple views). Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Subject: RV-List: Engine drawings (Off topic) --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Kraut Can anyone tell me where I can get some CAD drawings of popular aircraft engines? I am working on a design for a 4 place aircraft and I need some engine drawings for my initial shape and sizing drawings. I would prefer 3D cad drawings, but I have not been able to find and dimensioned drawings at all yet so I will take whatever I can get for right now. I am in particular looking for a TSIO-550 as a maximum size engine, but would like an O-360 and O-320 also. Brian Kraut engalt@earthlink.net == == == == ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:36 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Instead of kerosene, use my wife's favorite solvent -- lamp oil. It has no smell and other than that, I think it is just like kerosene. I used lamp oil for compass fluid in rebuilding an old compass I got at a fly mart -- much cheaper than A/C Spruce. There was a compass factory near here where my Mom worked, and kerosene was what they used for compass fluid. Ah, I got off the topic! Dan RV-7A N766DH almost done In a message dated 2/16/04 2:01:00 PM US Eastern Standard Time, dan@rvprojec t.com writes: > Subj: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT &unmask > Date: 2/16/04 2:01:00 PM US Eastern Standard Time > From: dan@rvproject.com > Reply-to: rv-list@matronics.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent from the Internet > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > >Will the unmask product remove the masking tape that has been on there for > >way too long? I have some masking tape on the front edge where the canopy > > Tim, > > I had this problem (left masking tape on there for about a year, nasty mess > taking it off). Kerosene ended up being the winner-winner chicken dinner > for getting all the masking tape residue off pretty easily. > > Best of luck, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:43 PM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon - Rethink Internal Battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mickey Coggins" > I don't have my unit yet, but are you sure > they don't have some secret combination of > pressing buttons that does a reboot? Something > like pressing all four buttons for five > seconds, or first two for five seconds, then > second two for five seconds? Or ... > > Mickey I am sure. I spoke with Nick at Dynon today and they will have a software fix in a couple of days. I tried to convince them to install two wires on the internal battery so I could installa switch but they think this is a bandaid instead of a fix. I think it is insurance. Ross........Mickey ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:39 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: CrossFlow Subie engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" I have no first hand knowledge of the CF4-20 CrossFlow engine that someone posted a link to earlier but I did check out their specs on-line. Below is an excerpt from their document. Let's assume the HP rating is correct even though 180 HP sounds optimistic from a 125 cubic inch engine. They claim 7.5 GPH at 80% power. 80% of 180 is 144 HP. 7.5 GPH is 45 lb per hr. 45 lb / 144 HP equals a BSFC of .3125 lb/hp/hr. This is better than most diesel engines and better than any gasoline engine I ever heard of. This might be a fine engine but is anybody buying these numbers? This kind of stuff gives auto conversions a bad name. Tracy Crook Performance - 180 horse power at 5800 rpm Reduction ratio - 2.34:1 Compression ratio - 10.1:1 Torque at propeller - 375 ft / lbs Fuel consumption at 80% power - 7.5 gallons per hour Displacement - 2000 cubic centimeters ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:27 PM PST US From: "Roger Evenson" Subject: RV-List: Re: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" Here's part of the manual for the ATD-300 model. Sounds like it rotates between multiple targets. 6.1 High Traffic Activity In areas of high traffic activity the display will show multiple traffics in an alternating fashion. This is most common for traffic between 4 and 5nm. Display preference is given to the closest traffic by distance. As traffic gets closer background traffic display is reduced or eliminated. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:28 PM PST US From: "steve dinieri" Subject: Re: RV-List: SPRAYLAT & unmask --> RV-List message posted by: "steve dinieri" i had best results just smearing some regular dish soap on the thin spraylat and letting soak. it's water based like elmers glue so any moisture will soften it given enough time. usually overnight then just wash off.. steve dinieri rv6a N221RV > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > You will find in the archives goo-gone is also a popular favorite. I > used it all over mine and it worked great. Remember to get all that > goo-gone oily stuff off the canopy after the tape removal. Give it a > good cleaning. > > Mike Stewart > Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:16 PM PST US From: "Charles Becker" Subject: RE: RV-List: CrossFlow Subie engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Becker" I'm not sure of the CrossFlow Numbers, but the numbers for the Eggenfellner have stood the test of time. Especially with the new 2.5T variable valve engine. Charlie Becker N464CB RV 8AS(ubie) Empennage (Wings in the mail) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tracy Crook Subject: Re: RV-List: CrossFlow Subie engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" I have no first hand knowledge of the CF4-20 CrossFlow engine that someone posted a link to earlier but I did check out their specs on-line. Below is an excerpt from their document. Let's assume the HP rating is correct even though 180 HP sounds optimistic from a 125 cubic inch engine. They claim 7.5 GPH at 80% power. 80% of 180 is 144 HP. 7.5 GPH is 45 lb per hr. 45 lb / 144 HP equals a BSFC of .3125 lb/hp/hr. This is better than most diesel engines and better than any gasoline engine I ever heard of. This might be a fine engine but is anybody buying these numbers? This kind of stuff gives auto conversions a bad name. Tracy Crook Performance - 180 horse power at 5800 rpm Reduction ratio - 2.34:1 Compression ratio - 10.1:1 Torque at propeller - 375 ft / lbs Fuel consumption at 80% power - 7.5 gallons per hour Displacement - 2000 cubic centimeters ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:35 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: CrossFlow Subie engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >I have no first hand knowledge of the CF4-20 CrossFlow engine that someone >posted a link to earlier but I did check out their specs on-line. Below is >an excerpt from their document. >Let's assume the HP rating is correct even though 180 HP sounds optimistic >from a 125 cubic inch engine. They claim 7.5 GPH at 80% power. 80% of >180 is 144 HP. 7.5 GPH is 45 lb per hr. 45 lb / 144 HP equals a BSFC of >.3125 lb/hp/hr. This is better than most diesel engines and better than >any gasoline engine I ever heard of. >This might be a fine engine but is anybody buying these numbers? This kind >of stuff gives auto conversions a bad name. >Tracy Crook > >Performance - 180 horse power at 5800 rpm >Reduction ratio - 2.34:1 >Compression ratio - 10.1:1 >Torque at propeller - 375 ft / lbs >Fuel consumption at 80% power - 7.5 gallons per hour >Displacement - 2000 cubic centimeters Tracy, I have been contacted by them for input on what I'd like to see in an RV10 power package. Bottom line is....I want POWER! I'm also skeptical of the horsepower specs you reference. They do have some very intelligent sounding verbage on dyno use, how, why, what it shows and does not show. Strange thing though, I saw no direct dyno performance specs for their engine. I am very impressed with their overall package. It looks to be a finely crafted setup. What is also nice is the supposed ability to drive a hydraulic prop, which is atypical for a redrive unit. I'm highly motivated to go non-Lycosaur for my RV10 and am seeking the most bang for the buck, with the least amount of hassle-factor to install it. 260 hp minimum. Jury is still out on just where I'm going to get such an engine. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD for sale. RV10 '51 overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:15 PM PST US From: "Dave Ford" Subject: RV-List: RE: TCM FADEC for the Lycoming --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" I just finished and am now flying my RV6 with FADEC. The reason I went with this system originally was that I bought a core O360 that was in a fire, had no mags or carbeurator, basically I had a crankcase and crankshaft (would not do that again) I was originally going to rebuild this with standard mag, elec. ign., and carb. setup but someone suggested I look into the FADEC and decided that at this point it may cost a little more but would tend to lean a little toward auto technology for my airplane. I liked what I read in researching the system and was pleased when Vans had confirmed a 15% fuel savings when testing with their RV8. The propellor issue was a concern for me and although I was originally gearing for a constant speed prop, in the midst of all the concerns at the time decided I would start with the Sensenich which has no rpm restrictions for the 180 hp engine w/FADEC. I now have about 15 hours on the engine and can only tell you that it starts smooth, runs smooth, has plenty of power, is fast, and shuts down with the turn of the key. I am not promoting or knocking FADEC, for me it is too early to tell anything, I just made the comittment to try it for my airplane. For more information, Ken Barto has been flying his RV6A with FADEC for a few years now, and from my conversations with him he is very satisfied with it, when I quizzed him as to if he would put it in his RV10 he's building he affirmed that he would. The plusses I see are--it adds fuel injection to a standard carbed O360; adds computer controlled combustion-- eliminating the mixture control; each cylinder is managed independently via independent fuel flow, cht, egt monitoring, engine timing is electronically managed via a speed sensor in place of the right magneto which monitors a modified mag gear counting cam and crankshaft pulses; each cylinder is individually peaked for best power or economy depending on settings; in theory the engine burns cleaner, should last longer? (remains to be seen); it does start quite a bit smoother to other O360s I have seen, must be due to the pulsed fuel distribution. Would be glad to try to answer any questions you have, right now am having too much fun flying my first airplane and am happy to be flying! Dave Ford RV6 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:55 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine drawings (Off topic) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Wow, that sounds kinda cool...might make good "hangar art." Does anybody have a photo of one of these giant drawings? do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine drawings (Off topic) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > > Lycoming has large dimensioned installation drawings for any of their > engines you want. Cost is $40 per drawing, (4x12 foot drawing, multiple > views). > > Bruce > www.glasair.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Engine drawings (Off topic) > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Kraut > > Can anyone tell me where I can get some CAD drawings of popular aircraft > engines? I am working on a design for a 4 place aircraft and I need > some engine drawings for my initial shape and sizing drawings. I would > prefer 3D cad drawings, but I have not been able to find and dimensioned > drawings at all yet so I will take whatever I can get for right now. I > am in particular looking for a TSIO-550 as a maximum size engine, but > would like an O-360 and O-320 also. > > Brian Kraut > engalt@earthlink.net > > > == > == > == > == > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:18 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: CrossFlow Subie engine --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Brian Denk wrote: > I'm highly motivated to go non-Lycosaur for my RV10 and am seeking the most > bang for the buck, with the least amount of hassle-factor to install it. 260 > hp minimum. Jury is still out on just where I'm going to get such an > engine. The new Bombardier 220 HP or 300 HP engine might be the ticket for a -10, if it's ready in time for you. http://www.vaircraftengines.com/ Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:38 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: CrossFlow Subie engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > I'm highly motivated to go non-Lycosaur for my RV10 and am seeking the >most > > bang for the buck, with the least amount of hassle-factor to install it. >260 > > hp minimum. Jury is still out on just where I'm going to get such an > > engine. > >The new Bombardier 220 HP or 300 HP engine might be the ticket for a -10, >if >it's ready in time for you. > >http://www.vaircraftengines.com/ > >Tedd McHenry >Surrey, BC Great looking powerplant for sure. I seriously doubt it will be priced so that I can afford it, and I'm not sure if they're going to play with us experimental guys at all. At least not initially. I think they should just give me one and let me fly it for a while. But I gotta finish the airframe first! Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 do not archive Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:08 PM PST US From: Henry Hochberg Subject: Re: RV-List: Experience w/Monroy ATD-200? --> RV-List message posted by: Henry Hochberg I've gotten multiple warnings in congested airspace and you can't tell if it's for the same or a different aircraft. It just keeps you more vigilant. Having said that, my Monroy ATD-200 is for sale. I'm hoping for $300 (paid $600 and used it three times). Email privately if you want more info. Henry H. RV-6 N72224 KAWO Dj Merrill wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Dj Merrill > >Glenn Brasch wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" >> >>What does the unit do with multiple targets? Thanks >>Glenn in Tucson, -9A wings, fuselage ordered. >> >> > > Both the Surecheck RX-110 and the Monroy ATD-200 >pick the closest target, I believe. I think the newer >models may be able to track more than one, but I am not sure. > >-Dj > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:44 PM PST US From: "Jim and Bev Cone" Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim and Bev Cone" OK, the canopy instructions are in photo share. Jim Cone 3 peat offender