Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:16 AM - Lengths of propellers (Dennis Parker)
2. 01:06 AM - Electric Horizons (again) (jakent@unison.ie)
3. 07:34 AM - (George Murphy)
4. 07:35 AM - Re: For Sale (RV-8 Emp) (Brian Kraut)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Lengths of propellers (Randy Lervold)
6. 09:49 AM - Re: 400 Hz (was: Electric horizons) (Kevin Horton)
7. 10:39 AM - Re: Electric Horizons (again) (kempthornes)
8. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Stainless Wheel Pants Brackets (Jerry Springer)
9. 11:40 AM - FW: Proposed FAA rule (Will & Lynda Allen)
10. 11:58 AM - Re: a titanium Ti-down note (Chris W)
11. 01:39 PM - Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures (Jim Combs)
12. 01:39 PM - Flop tubes in QB wings (Mickey Coggins)
13. 02:02 PM - Cowl Inlet Ramps (Tommy Walker)
14. 02:22 PM - Re: Flop tubes in QB wings (Steve Struyk)
15. 02:25 PM - New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments (Garrett, Randy L (C4S))
16. 03:01 PM - Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments (Ed Anderson)
17. 03:09 PM - Re: Cowl Inlet Ramps (Richard Dudley)
18. 03:39 PM - Re: Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures (Dana Overall)
19. 03:48 PM - Re: Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures (Sam Buchanan)
20. 04:54 PM - Re: Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
21. 04:55 PM - wheel pant clearance (Dave Ford)
22. 05:18 PM - Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments (Alex Peterson)
23. 05:19 PM - Re: Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures (Mike Mckenna)
24. 05:19 PM - Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments (Cy Galley)
25. 05:30 PM - Re: wheel pant clearance (LarryRobertHelming)
26. 05:38 PM - > Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerabil (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
27. 05:53 PM - Re: wheel pant clearance (Alex Peterson)
28. 06:53 PM - Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments (SportAV8R@aol.com)
29. 07:01 PM - Re: wheel pant clearance (SportAV8R@aol.com)
30. 08:38 PM - Heated Pitot tube $964!!!! (Robin Wessel)
31. 08:45 PM - Re: Heated Pitot tube $964!!!! (Leesafur@aol.com)
32. 08:55 PM - Re: Heated Pitot tube $964!!!! (Richard E. Tasker)
33. 11:17 PM - Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments (Kysh)
34. 11:30 PM - Re: Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
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| Subject: | Lengths of propellers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis Parker" <dennis@k2workflow.com>
Aside from the obvious issue of ground clearance - does anyone have any
comments on lengths of propellers? I am thinking of ordering the blended
airfoil Hartzell CS for my RV7. This can be ordered in a 72" or 74"
configuration? Are there performance benefits / penalties to take into
account around length?
Thanks
Dennis Parker
71041
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| Subject: | Electric Horizons (again) |
--> RV-List message posted by: jakent@unison.ie
I started on the electric route by buying a Bendix J-8 on e-Bay - ran very well
- cleaned up nice. Bought one of Andy Wright's inverters to drive it. Result
- a good horizon system under $200= Also bought a second ($10=) J-8 for spares
- this WAS a boat anchor !!
For a RV ... DO NOT GO THIS ROUTE ... the J-8 cannot be adjusted for 8 degrees
tilt - my friends in a gyro shop have tried - it doesn't work!
The Ferranti I ended up with is a VERY different beast - is good quality and
looks it as well !
I did not want to go the PDA / loose objects in the cockpit route as I feel that
the occasional urge to look DOWN through the RV-4 canopy may be too tempting
!!
Bottom line - if anyone wants a horizon and inverter for something other than a
RV I will sell for about $200= or the inverter only for a bit less - it is light
and will drive any of the 3-phase 400/115 gyros.
John Kent RV-4 Ireland.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "George Murphy" <garthe1@atlantic.net>
Am looking for RV6A fuselage, wing kit, and finishing in any stage of completion
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale (RV-8 Emp) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Where can I find a wife like that?
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
>
>I am getting ready to order the wing kit and the wife says "Why not build the
four place, then we can take other people for rides too". Well, after discussing
the financial implications, it was decided to build the RV-10. So that leaves
me with a completed, ready to be prep'ed for painting, RV-8 emp.
>
>I would like to find a new home for it. Asking $1650 (Firm). Save the time of
building the tail feathers and order the quickbuild parts to finish it up.
The fiberglass tips are on. All interior parts are primed (Zinc Oxide). I will
crate it for shipping (in the US), buyer pays for shipping.
>
>Please reply off list. I have pictures.
>
>Thanks, Jim Combs
>
>Do not archive!
>Ordered the RV-10 emp and wings today!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lengths of propellers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> Aside from the obvious issue of ground clearance - does anyone have any
> comments on lengths of propellers? I am thinking of ordering the blended
> airfoil Hartzell CS for my RV7. This can be ordered in a 72" or 74"
> configuration? Are there performance benefits / penalties to take into
> account around length?
> Dennis Parker
Dennis, you're delving into the black art of propeller aerodynamics fasten
your seatbelt. There are a few fundamentals to consider: a longer prop will
make slightly more noise and have slightly more drag since it has more area.
Balancing that is that it will product more thrust and that thrust will be
further away from the fuselage where it does more good. Having done some
prop testing I can tell you that whatever difference might manifest itself
between the same prop in the 72" and 74" lengths would be small. Even the
true experts would debate the question you're asking without a likely
concensus. Still, if I were buying a Hartzell, I'd go with the 74" if
performance were most important. If quiet were most important I'd go with
the 72".
Just curious though, have you looked at the Whirl Wind 200RV? I guess that's
hard to do since it isn't up on their web site yet, but as far as I'm
concerned it's the ultimate prop solution for an RV, albeit $2k more than
the Hartzell. My experience with it can be found at...
http://www.rv-8.com/Prop.htm
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 368 hrs
EAA Technical Counselor
www.rv-8.com
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| Subject: | Re: Electric horizons) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
>
> I have designed an inexpensive, lightweight, 400 Hz, 208/120 volt
>inverter just so I could use these instruments. I think I can put together
>a kit for something like $120 each. If anyone is interested, please let me
>know and perhaps I will offer a kit. If there is enough interest, perhaps I
>could make assembled units.
I'm certainly interested in learning more. I worry about
electromagnetic interference though. Have you done any testing to
see if your inverter produces conducted or radiated noise?
I would love to have an HSI though, and new 14v ones are out of my
price range, so I am interested in other options.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Horizons (again) |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
It may take a year or two but I'll bet that spinning gyro instruments will
come down in price like ADFs.
AHRS gyros (Dynon, Blue Mtn etc) are said to be ten times more reliable
than the old stuff. They will get much cheaper with time. There will be
big piles of spinning gyros available, mostly ready to be overhauled since
that is likely when the decision will be made to upgrade.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless Wheel Pants Brackets |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Charlie & Tupper England wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
>
>Jerry Springer wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>>
>>My question is, what are the problems that people are having with the
>>stock brackets Van sells?
>>I have not had any problems with them nor have I heard of any problems
>>here locally.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>
>I can't speak about the newer kits, but I had to replace a broken
>bracket on my ('92 completion date) -4 at around 400 hours.
>
>Charlie
>
>
>
>
I had over 1000 hours on my old style ('89 completeion date) RV-6
brackets with no problems.
I don't have enough time on the new style yet to know if they well break
or not, time well tell.
Jerry
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| Subject: | FW: Proposed FAA rule |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@comcast.net>
I'm just sending this out in case there is anyone who wants to have their
say on this before the FAA makes this change. I don't know if this would
effect the young eagles program but it will certainly put a stop to a lot of
good EAA programs for rides in antique aircraft and may even put an end to
the budgets that allow these aircraft to be restored.
-Will Allen
North Bend, Wa
RV8 wings
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Caruso [mailto:t-caruso@msn.com]
Subject: Proposed FAA rule
FYI
From: Aviation Foundation of America, Courtesy of Fly-ins.com
A few weeks ago we sent you an e-mail about a proposed FAA rule. This new
rule will effectively eliminate the opportunity for Americans to purchase an
airplane ride like those offered during the National Air Tour. This proposed
rule is referred to as "NPRM-4521."
While many aviation organizations have requested open public meetings on
this subject, the FAA rejected this request, instead conducting an
experimental "On Line Public Meeting" over the Internet. This "meeting" is
going on now right now and will end Friday, March 5th. We are asking that
you participate in this meeting by going to the "public meeting" web site
(details below). This is a somewhat cumbersome process, but it is the only
way the FAA is allowing you to participate in this "public meeting."
The new proposed regulations will basically place operators offering
airplane rides in the same category as commercial air carriers (Part 135).
This is being done under the theory that people selling rides in
open-cockpit bi-planes or Ford Tri-motors are really an airline!
Preposterous as this sounds, this is exactly the FAA's position. As an
example what follows this is a direct quote from one FAA response in the
"FAA Response Section" on the "public meeting" web site:
This is a direct quote from the FAA:
FAA: "WHY DO WE WANT TO REGULATE YOU. Because you look like an airline. A
passenger decides to go on an airplane (why doesn't matter). The airplane
operator wants money (donations are money). The passenger is happy if
part/all of that money goes to a good cause but wants to go on an airplane
anyway. Airplane operator gives the passenger what the passenger paid for.
What's different about you?.."
Picture in your mind an open cockpit bi-plane giving a young child a ride.
This is what the FAA says looks like an airline!
Despite the fact that there are already regulations for Part 91 operators
including commercial pilot qualifications, frequent aircraft inspections,
pilot registration, etc., scenes like this could disappear from across
America in a few short months. The folks from Waldo Wright's Flying service,
who made so many people smile on the tour have written some of the
commentary found in this link about the FAA's Notice of Proposed Rule Making
found here: FAA
<http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResultsSimple.cfm?numberValue4521&searchTy
pedocket> NPRM 4521 Comments.
Presently people offering rides (called Part 91 operators) are able to take
you for a ride, in their bi-plane or Ford tri-motor as an example, within 25
miles of your airport and bring you back. Do you think that is an airline?
Apparently the FAA does, and they want to treat those rides as commercial
air carriers.
The FAA says Part 91 operators will be safer if they are made to comply with
the onerous Part 135 Air Carrier regulations. This ignores the fact that
their own statistics demonstrate Part 91 operators are already significantly
SAFER than Part 135 operators. The problem is that the FAA refuses to
distinguish between local rides in fixed wing airplanes and more dangerous
operations such as helicopters flying over the ocean and mountains in
Hawaii.
There are two ways to post your thoughts and questions on this matter. If
you have not already done so, one way is to post a comment on the NRPM-4521
site by clicking here: FAA
<http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResultsSimple.cfm?numberValue4521&searchTy
pedocket> NPRM 4521 Comments. There are more that 1,500 comments so far.
We also urge you to take part in the "On line Public Meeting" which is
taking place now. Please click here or go to this site address:
http://66.89.54.45/ <http://66.89.54.45/> , and click on "ENTER PUBLIC
MEETING" at the bottom after reading the instructions. You will be able to
post you thoughts, and more importantly, your questions about this proposed
rule.
We urge you to post comments and questions on the "Public Meeting" web site
as soon as possible. Again, by simply clicking here: http://66.89.54.45/
On both of the sites mentioned above you can read the positions taken by
thousands of citizens who are opposed to this proposed "one size fits all"
FAA regulation. Unfortunately, despite flawed statistics and questionable
logic, all the FAA has to do to make NPRM 4521 into law is to publish it in
the Federal Register. There are not votes in congress and no public
proceeding other than this "On Line Public Meeting."
We urge you to read the comments posted so far and to participate in this
"On Line Public Meeting," which, unfortunately is all the more democratic
this process is going to get.
Here at the Aviation Foundation of America, we have nothing at stake other
than to try to preserve an important grassroots aviation experience. People
offering airplane rides, whether in a Ford tri-motor, a bi-plane, or a
Cessna at your local airport have introduced millions of Americans to the
joys of flight. They deserve our help.
Please get on line, ask your questions and make your statements.
Thank you for your helping to save the airplane ride!
Greg Herrick, President
Aviation Foundation of America
PS: Please forward this message to any of your friends who could help by
sending a message to the FAA.
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| Subject: | Re: a titanium Ti-down note |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
HCRV6@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 2/25/04 4:52:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>crowbotham@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< Any word on when you will be offering Ti tie down RINGS - Sure would like
> to ditch the heavy ones for (3) Ti rings. >>
>
>I'll take two Ti tie down rings when you're ready to offer them Randy.
>
>
I'm sure randy will have a great deal on the Titanium Eye Bolts when he
makes them, but if you are in a hurry for some, mcmaster.com has them
for $30.22 each. Item number 3103T31
Chris Woodhouse
Oklahoma City, OK
http://thewishzone.com:8086/
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Combs" <jimc@mail.infra-read.com>
Dana,
Great fly-in! Couldn't beat the weather and the planes. I have posted all of my pictures at www.infra-read.com/pics. 14 MegaBytes worth.
Of all the pictues, Here is a short list of what I consider to be the pics of the
day!
0837
0803
0839
0832
0829
0813 - Waving Checkerd Flag Paint scheme
0806 - Dragon Paint Scheme
0805 - Dragon Paint Scheme
0822
0824 - Air Force Paint Scheme
0830 - Pearl Blue over White Paint Scheme
0809 - Nomad Paint Scheme
0826
0814 - Racing Paint Scheme
0815
These pictures just don't do the airplanes and their owners justice. You have
to see them to appreciate them!
Enjoy,
Jim Combs
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Flop tubes in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Does anyone see a way to get a flop tube to work
in a QB wing?
At first I just thought it was a quick retrofit, but
there seem to be some protective brackets needed inside
to keep the flop tubes from getting hung up in there.
Has anyone been able to make this work?
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Cowl Inlet Ramps |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:08:15 -0600
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
While installing the baffle seal on my 6A, I realized that the upper cowl inlet
ramps present somewhat of a problem!? I don't know if I need to trim the baffle
metal to match the ramp contour or the cowl contour.
If I trim metal to the ramp contour and let the rubber seal follow the ramp it
creates a huge air leak between the ramp and the cowl, which could be stopped
by fiber glassing the inboard ends of the ramp to the cowl. If I elect to trim
the metal to the cowl contour there will be a conflict between the rubber seal
and the edge of the ramp.
Those of you that have been down this road will know what I'm talking about. Question
is how did you solve this problem on your baffle?? Any suggestions welcome!
Tommy Walker
6A Ridgetop, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Flop tubes in QB wings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
Mickey,
I put a flop tube in my left quick build tank. It's been awhile, but here's
what I remember doing.
You need to remove the tank from the wing, then move the fuel sender to the
aft wall of the tank into the second bay, one rib outboard from where it is
now. That involves cutting a new hole to mount it. Van's sells blank covers
and mounting rings. The old mounting plate, with the sender, can be cleaned
up (MEK works well) and put in the aft wall with a new mounting ring. (cut
the ring in one place to sort of "screw" it into the inside of the tank. The
new blank one will cover your access hole to the flop tube,"trap door", and
bracket to keep the tube from hanging up on anything inside the tank. Every
thing needs to be Pro-sealed when you close it up of course. A whole string
can be found in the archives about using the cork seal or not. I chose not
to and my tanks both tested good after the Pro-seal cured.
I only have one picture of my tank and it's looking in the access hole at
the trap door and bracket. I can E-mail it to you directly if that would be
of help.
Hope this helps.
Steve Struyk
RV-8, N842S (Res.)
Wiring and Panel
St. Charles, MO
rv8striker@hotmail.com
---- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Subject: RV-List: Flop tubes in QB wings
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Does anyone see a way to get a flop tube to work
> in a QB wing?
>
> At first I just thought it was a quick retrofit, but
> there seem to be some protective brackets needed inside
> to keep the flop tubes from getting hung up in there.
>
> Has anyone been able to make this work?
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)" <Randy.L.Garrett@GDC4S.Com>
Just saw on the EAA's web site proposed additional restrictions on General
Aviation. You can easily email your Congressman by going to www.house.gov
The text of the proposed law is on www.eaa.org and no doubt other places.
Here are my comments. I'm the RV community has better and more eloquent
opinions. Just be sure to send them to your Congressman, don't just post
them here.
RV-6A
250 hours
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======
This email is to express my interest in Rep. Markey's proposed amendment to
the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (HR 3798) titled "Secure Existing
Aviation Loopholes". Specifically, I am concerned about the imposition of
"No Fly Zones" and mandatory vulnerability assessments at General Aviation
airports.
On "No Fly Zones" ... First, there are already regulations about loitering
over areas, such as power plants, stadiums, etc. Second, how could these
be monitored and enforced. Radar coverage frequently does not extend that
low, and a number of additional government personnel would be required to
continually monitor the areas. Third, restricting the ability to fly
through some of these areas (as opposed to loitering), would create a
safety hazard to aviation, since this airspace may now be used for air
navigation or approaches to an airport.
Finally, my daughter pointed out that establishing "No Fly Zones" over
sensitive areas would really advertise their location to terrorists.
Obviously terrorists would not be concerned with violating a law or
regulation, but the identification of all the sensitive US facilities on
maps or other publications is an advertisement to those who wish to do us
harm.
On vulnerability assessments for small general aviation airport ... first,
the vast majority of these airports do not exist on a "shoe string" ...
they do not even have that much money. General aviation in this country
has been suffering through a tremendous depression for two decades. In
addition, practically all airports already have almost an onerous amount of
security already. So, we should consider the cost/benefit analysis. I
believe there are many other vulnerabilities in our country's security,
such as at shopping malls, trucking, and shipping containers, that should
be addressed before we expend additional funds on a comparatively much
lower risk threat.
Thank you for taking time to consider my opinion ...
Sincerely,
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| Subject: | Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
I've written my Representative about this bill. Interesting to note who the
sponsors of this bill are:
Co-sponsors of the bill include Rep. Ed Case, (D-HI); Rep. John Conyers,
Jr., (D-MI) Rep. Norman Dicks, D-WA; Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-NY; Rep.
Jerrold Nadler, D-NY; Rep. Major Owens, D-NY; and Rep. Louise McIntosh
Slaughter, D-NY.
note any common denominator among these congressional representatives?
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)" <Randy.L.Garrett@GDC4S.Com>
Subject: RV-List: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)"
<Randy.L.Garrett@GDC4S.Com>
>
> Just saw on the EAA's web site proposed additional restrictions on General
> Aviation. You can easily email your Congressman by going to www.house.gov
> The text of the proposed law is on www.eaa.org and no doubt other places.
> Here are my comments. I'm the RV community has better and more eloquent
> opinions. Just be sure to send them to your Congressman, don't just post
> them here.
>
> RV-6A
> 250 hours
>
>
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> ======
> This email is to express my interest in Rep. Markey's proposed amendment
to
> the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (HR 3798) titled "Secure Existing
> Aviation Loopholes". Specifically, I am concerned about the imposition
of
> "No Fly Zones" and mandatory vulnerability assessments at General
Aviation
> airports.
>
> On "No Fly Zones" ... First, there are already regulations about
loitering
> over areas, such as power plants, stadiums, etc. Second, how could these
> be monitored and enforced. Radar coverage frequently does not extend
that
> low, and a number of additional government personnel would be required to
> continually monitor the areas. Third, restricting the ability to fly
> through some of these areas (as opposed to loitering), would create a
> safety hazard to aviation, since this airspace may now be used for air
> navigation or approaches to an airport.
>
> Finally, my daughter pointed out that establishing "No Fly Zones" over
> sensitive areas would really advertise their location to terrorists.
> Obviously terrorists would not be concerned with violating a law or
> regulation, but the identification of all the sensitive US facilities on
> maps or other publications is an advertisement to those who wish to do us
> harm.
>
> On vulnerability assessments for small general aviation airport ... first,
> the vast majority of these airports do not exist on a "shoe string" ...
> they do not even have that much money. General aviation in this country
> has been suffering through a tremendous depression for two decades. In
> addition, practically all airports already have almost an onerous amount
of
> security already. So, we should consider the cost/benefit analysis. I
> believe there are many other vulnerabilities in our country's security,
> such as at shopping malls, trucking, and shipping containers, that should
> be addressed before we expend additional funds on a comparatively much
> lower risk threat.
>
> Thank you for taking time to consider my opinion ...
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Inlet Ramps |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Tommy,
I think you are referring to the fiberglas ramps ("elephant ears" )that
you "glue" to the top cowl. I found a gap between the rubber seal and
the ramps. I solved it by laying fiberglas between the ramps and the
inside of the top cowl.
If this is what you are referring to, I'll be glad to send you photos of
the ramps and top cowl.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
Tommy Walker wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
>
> While installing the baffle seal on my 6A, I realized that the upper cowl inlet
ramps present somewhat of a problem!? I don't know if I need to trim the baffle
metal to match the ramp contour or the cowl contour.
>
> If I trim metal to the ramp contour and let the rubber seal follow the ramp it
creates a huge air leak between the ramp and the cowl, which could be stopped
by fiber glassing the inboard ends of the ramp to the cowl. If I elect to trim
the metal to the cowl contour there will be a conflict between the rubber seal
and the edge of the ramp.
>
> Those of you that have been down this road will know what I'm talking about.
Question is how did you solve this problem on your baffle?? Any suggestions welcome!
>
> Tommy Walker
> 6A Ridgetop, TN
>
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| Subject: | Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Just getting home from the airport. What a day, a big thanks to all those
who attended. As of noon today we had 86 RVs at the airport and 107 total
airplanes. I did not count after noon but there were not many more who came
in after that time.
Thanks again gang for the support!!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Dana Overall wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Just getting home from the airport. What a day, a big thanks to all those
> who attended. As of noon today we had 86 RVs at the airport and 107 total
> airplanes. I did not count after noon but there were not many more who came
> in after that time.
>
> Thanks again gang for the support!!
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
It was indeed a splendid event blessed by spectacular February weather!
Many thanks go to Dana for putting the fly-in together.
Of course, Dana, we expect even better weather next year; we would
*really* like to be able to wear tee shirts. :-)
The TVRVBG had twelve aircraft present and we all enjoyed the event
greatly. Put this one on your calendar for next year!
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
Our thanks to u Dana for putting this event together. Greatly enjoyed it.
Look forward to next year.
Regards
Doug Preston
RV8 N127EK
BHM
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| Subject: | wheel pant clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
Am fitting wheel pants and wondering what clearance is necessary all around the
lower tire? I'm wondering if 3/8 to 1/2 inch is enough all the way around?
Dave Ford
RV6
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| Subject: | New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> I've written my Representative about this bill. Interesting
> to note who the sponsors of this bill are:
>
> Co-sponsors of the bill include Rep. Ed Case, (D-HI); Rep.
> John Conyers, Jr., (D-MI) Rep. Norman Dicks, D-WA; Rep.
> Carolyn McCarthy, D-NY; Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-NY; Rep. Major
> Owens, D-NY; and Rep. Louise McIntosh Slaughter, D-NY.
>
> note any common denominator among these congressional representatives?
Uh, they don't like our country?
I recently saw a great bumper sticker, interpret as you may:
"If you aren't appalled, you aren't paying attention."
Read the proposed bill, and see if it applies. The ability to fly our
airplanes is extremely symbolic of the precious thing called freedom.
Why do you think the bald eagle is our country's symbol?
Write those congressional members.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 443 hours of REAL FREEDOM
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Mckenna" <mmckenna@bellsouth.net>
Dana,
We all owe you the thanks for bringing us together.
Thanks,
Mike Mckenna
N61RM RV-6A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dana Overall
Subject: RE: RV-List: Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Just getting home from the airport. What a day, a big thanks to all those
who attended. As of noon today we had 86 RVs at the airport and 107 total
airplanes. I did not count after noon but there were not many more who came
in after that time.
Thanks again gang for the support!!
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| Subject: | Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
When a party is out of power they introduce all sorts of feel good bills to
use in their campaign.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability
assessments
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> I've written my Representative about this bill. Interesting to note who
the
> sponsors of this bill are:
>
> Co-sponsors of the bill include Rep. Ed Case, (D-HI); Rep. John Conyers,
> Jr., (D-MI) Rep. Norman Dicks, D-WA; Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-NY; Rep.
> Jerrold Nadler, D-NY; Rep. Major Owens, D-NY; and Rep. Louise McIntosh
> Slaughter, D-NY.
>
> note any common denominator among these congressional representatives?
>
> Ed Anderson
> RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)" <Randy.L.Garrett@GDC4S.Com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)"
> <Randy.L.Garrett@GDC4S.Com>
> >
> > Just saw on the EAA's web site proposed additional restrictions on
General
> > Aviation. You can easily email your Congressman by going to
www.house.gov
> > The text of the proposed law is on www.eaa.org and no doubt other
places.
> > Here are my comments. I'm the RV community has better and more eloquent
> > opinions. Just be sure to send them to your Congressman, don't just
post
> > them here.
> >
> > RV-6A
> > 250 hours
> >
> >
>
============================================================================
> > ======
> > This email is to express my interest in Rep. Markey's proposed amendment
> to
> > the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (HR 3798) titled "Secure Existing
> > Aviation Loopholes". Specifically, I am concerned about the imposition
> of
> > "No Fly Zones" and mandatory vulnerability assessments at General
> Aviation
> > airports.
> >
> > On "No Fly Zones" ... First, there are already regulations about
> loitering
> > over areas, such as power plants, stadiums, etc. Second, how could
these
> > be monitored and enforced. Radar coverage frequently does not extend
> that
> > low, and a number of additional government personnel would be required
to
> > continually monitor the areas. Third, restricting the ability to fly
> > through some of these areas (as opposed to loitering), would create a
> > safety hazard to aviation, since this airspace may now be used for air
> > navigation or approaches to an airport.
> >
> > Finally, my daughter pointed out that establishing "No Fly Zones" over
> > sensitive areas would really advertise their location to terrorists.
> > Obviously terrorists would not be concerned with violating a law or
> > regulation, but the identification of all the sensitive US facilities
on
> > maps or other publications is an advertisement to those who wish to do
us
> > harm.
> >
> > On vulnerability assessments for small general aviation airport ...
first,
> > the vast majority of these airports do not exist on a "shoe string" ...
> > they do not even have that much money. General aviation in this
country
> > has been suffering through a tremendous depression for two decades. In
> > addition, practically all airports already have almost an onerous
amount
> of
> > security already. So, we should consider the cost/benefit analysis. I
> > believe there are many other vulnerabilities in our country's security,
> > such as at shopping malls, trucking, and shipping containers, that
should
> > be addressed before we expend additional funds on a comparatively much
> > lower risk threat.
> >
> > Thank you for taking time to consider my opinion ...
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wheel pant clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
The answer I got from Van's was 1/2" all around.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip-up TMX-O-360 ACS2002 Dynon CNS430 Digitrak
Firewall Forward
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
Subject: RV-List: wheel pant clearance
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
>
> Am fitting wheel pants and wondering what clearance is necessary all
around the lower tire? I'm wondering if 3/8 to 1/2 inch is enough all the
way around?
>
> Dave Ford
> RV6
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: > Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerabil |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Quite a similarity - They're ALL Socialist Democrats !!
No VOTES from my family !!
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | wheel pant clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> The answer I got from Van's was 1/2" all around.
>
> Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip-up TMX-O-360 ACS2002 Dynon CNS430
> Digitrak Firewall Forward
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: wheel pant clearance
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
> >
> > Am fitting wheel pants and wondering what clearance is
> necessary all
> around the lower tire? I'm wondering if 3/8 to 1/2 inch is
> enough all the way around?
> >
1/2" is marginal. Let the air out of the tire and see how the pants
fit. If you have a flat tire, the floppy tire will chew the pant away
if it is too close.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 443 hours
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>>written my Representative about this bill. Interesting to note who the
sponsors of this bill are:
Co-sponsors of the bill include Rep. Ed Case, (D-HI); Rep. John Conyers,
Jr., (D-MI) Rep. Norman Dicks, D-WA; Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-NY; Rep.
Jerrold Nadler, D-NY; Rep. Major Owens, D-NY; and Rep. Louise McIntosh
Slaughter, D-NY.<<
note any common denominator among these congressional representatives?
Lemme guess; they're mostly Yankees? Actually, no, Ed, I D-0N 't notice the D-EN
ominator; what are you seeing that the rest of us D-O not?
Heightening GA security is just more feel-good D-O N othing legislation D-ES igned
to fool the sheeple - symbolism over substance. It's as bogus as gun control,
but it may play better, given the level of fear and paranoia in the masses.
Nothing these D-UN ces try should surprise us. Maybe we can get off our collective
a$$e$ and make a D-IF ference in this issue. I D-UN no; maybe not...
Bill B
If they wanna see "airport security" at my home field, I'll show these D-IStinguished
legislators some of the evil-looking all-black sport utility weapons they're
so afraid of.
"Stand real still, congressman; wouldn't want this apple to fall off your head
just yet... it might spoil the trick. This here is M-196 tracer; it looks spectacular
at night. Now I'll just stand over there and we'll make believe you're
wearing a diaper on your head and you've snuck in here to hot-wire my RV and
terrorize the polulace. Ready?..."
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| Subject: | Re: wheel pant clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Am fitting wheel pants and wondering what clearance is necessary all around the
lower tire? I'm wondering if 3/8 to 1/2 inch is enough all the way around?
Dave Ford
RV6
Dave: Am repairing wheelpants after a hard plop-down landing (yes, I still misjudge
my energy and/or altitude in the flare every now and then). Post-crash investigation
shows clearly that the down force must have momentarily flattened
the tire enough to make it grab the edges of the wheel cutout in the bottom of
the pants, resulting in forcible delamination of the glass plies around the
opening and a crack along the bottom of the pant for about 6 inches that will
one day need repainting. Also bent the aluminum mounting flange (timely post,
huh?) which required a trip to the anvil for a pounding session with the hammer.
Secondary damage resulted to the grear leg fairing where it got torqued by
the intersection fairing as the pant bent downward in front. I had been using
about a 1/4 inch clearance all the way around. Now I have dremel-sanded the
gap to more like 3/8 inches to be safe. Too nice a day to be repairing fiberglass,
so decided to go fly now and repair /reinforce damaged areas later when
I don;t feel like flying (when will that be?!)
-Bill B
6A
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| Subject: | Heated Pitot tube $964!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" <Robin.Wessel@verizon.net>
Does anyone know why the price of new heated 12V pitot tubes has more
than quadrupled in the past 3 years?!?
Spruce is now $480 and Chief sells one for $964!!!
Anyone have a suggestion for where I can find a cheaper one? I have not
checked with the salvage yards yet since my preference would be for a
new one. Last time I bought one for -6A from Wentworth they sent me one
that obviously scraped the ground but the price was right (<$100).
thanks,
Robin Wessel
RV-10 wings
Tigard, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Heated Pitot tube $964!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
Dynon is gearing up to sell them for $200
http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/pitotfeatures.html
Lee
Anoka, MN
RV-3 Wing
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| Subject: | Re: Heated Pitot tube $964!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
The problem is that the only company that makes these tubes was
purchased two or three years ago and the new owners are selling them for
what the market will bear (and raising the price each year trying to
find the ceiling price of what the market will bear). It is what
happens when you have a monopoly.
Try ebay or salvage yards. A used one is fine as long as it hasn't been
damaged. There really isn't much that can go wrong with them.
I was able to find a heated pitot/static tube on ebay for a reasonable
price a few months ago.
Dick Tasker, RV9A #90573
Robin Wessel wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" <Robin.Wessel@verizon.net>
>
>Does anyone know why the price of new heated 12V pitot tubes has more
>than quadrupled in the past 3 years?!?
>
>Spruce is now $480 and Chief sells one for $964!!!
>
>Anyone have a suggestion for where I can find a cheaper one? I have not
>checked with the salvage yards yet since my preference would be for a
>new one. Last time I bought one for -6A from Wentworth they sent me one
>that obviously scraped the ground but the price was right (<$100).
>
>thanks,
>
>Robin Wessel
>RV-10 wings
>Tigard, OR
>
>
>---
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New "No Fly Zones" and airport vulnerability assessments |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Ed Anderson was saying:
> I've written my Representative about this bill. Interesting to note who the
> sponsors of this bill are:
>
> Co-sponsors of the bill include Rep. Ed Case, (D-HI); Rep. John Conyers,
> Jr., (D-MI) Rep. Norman Dicks, D-WA; Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-NY; Rep.
> Jerrold Nadler, D-NY; Rep. Major Owens, D-NY; and Rep. Louise McIntosh
> Slaughter, D-NY.
>
> note any common denominator among these congressional representatives?
Yeah, they're all yankees...
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Dana what a great job. We brought up 10 with the Team RV group and
really had a terrific time. There were some nice looking new planes on
the ramp. Did you see those super 8's take off? Pegged my testosterone
scale! Neat.
We had a great time tearing up the skies. And lets not forget The Ohio
Valley formation guys winning the formation fly-off. Each of their
passes were near perfect. We sure were proud to watch them.
No doubt Dana if the even gets any larger, you will need to move this
event. We pushed the envelope for this venue.
Again Dana great job. That big H over the area sure did make our day and
we really enjoyed the company.
Regards,
Mike Stewart
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall
Subject: RE: RV-List: Dana Overall's - I39 Fly-in Pictures
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Just getting home from the airport. What a day, a big thanks to all
those
who attended. As of noon today we had 86 RVs at the airport and 107
total
airplanes. I did not count after noon but there were not many more who
came
in after that time.
Thanks again gang for the support!!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
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