---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/03/04: 71 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:11 AM - Re: Van's vs Electric Bob's approach (RV8ter@aol.com) 2. 03:31 AM - Re: Van's alternator (lucky macy) 3. 03:52 AM - Re: Van's vs Electric Bob's approach (Dana Overall) 4. 04:02 AM - Re: Van's alternator (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 5. 05:27 AM - Dynon Info () 6. 06:10 AM - Mounting Instruments (tacaruth@ralcorp.com) 7. 06:19 AM - I39 fly-in queries (Gordon and Marge) 8. 06:34 AM - Re: Van's alternator (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 9. 06:36 AM - EZ-Pilot display update (Sam Buchanan) 10. 06:51 AM - Re: Van's alternator (Sam Buchanan) 11. 06:54 AM - Re: Mounting Instruments (Ron Walker) 12. 06:55 AM - Re: Mounting Instruments (linn walters) 13. 07:02 AM - Re: Cool oil temps cure (Jeff Dowling) 14. 07:38 AM - Re: Van's alternator (lucky macy) 15. 08:31 AM - Need name of engine shop (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 16. 09:00 AM - Re: Mounting Instruments (Ernest Kells) 17. 09:15 AM - Re: Michigan RV's (Ted Gauthier) 18. 09:35 AM - Re: Need name of engine shop () 19. 09:37 AM - Re: Sun N Fun camping (SportAV8R@aol.com) 20. 09:51 AM - Airworthiness Inspection (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 21. 10:16 AM - Re: Mounting Instruments (Albert Gardner) 22. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun camping (linn walters) 23. 10:48 AM - Re: Need name of engine shop (lucky macy) 24. 10:54 AM - Re: Airworthiness Inspection (Ross Mickey) 25. 11:03 AM - Re: Need name of engine shop (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 26. 11:23 AM - Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (RV8ter@aol.com) 27. 11:31 AM - Quick Fit Tabs for Ground Blocks (Stein Bruch) 28. 11:38 AM - Re: Michigan RV's (BRUCE GRAY) 29. 12:51 PM - new RV Story (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 30. 12:53 PM - Re: Van's vs Electric Bob's approach (Matt Jurotich) 31. 01:03 PM - Re: Need name of engine shop () 32. 01:11 PM - Re: Need name of engine shop (linn walters) 33. 01:11 PM - Re: Need name of engine shop (linn walters) 34. 01:46 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Sam Buchanan) 35. 01:53 PM - Re: I39 fly-in queries (Dana Overall) 36. 02:28 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (RV8ter@aol.com) 37. 02:37 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (lucky macy) 38. 02:43 PM - Re: Oshkosh Camping Question (kempthornes) 39. 03:02 PM - WTB: RV-6 (Ken Balch) 40. 03:05 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 41. 03:08 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Sam Buchanan) 42. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun camping (Brian Kraut) 43. 03:54 PM - Re: Oshkosh Camping Question (Laird Owens) 44. 04:07 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Charlie Kuss) 45. 04:10 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (RV8ter@aol.com) 46. 04:14 PM - Dynon Heated Pitot Availability () 47. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun camping (linn walters) 48. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun camping (Charlie & Tupper England) 49. 05:22 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Charlie & Tupper England) 50. 05:35 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Jerry Springer) 51. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun camping (Brian Kraut) 52. 06:14 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Dave Bristol) 53. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun camping (linn walters) 54. 06:46 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Bob U.) 55. 06:47 PM - Re: WTB: RV-6 (Karie Daniel) 56. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun camping (Charles Rowbotham) 57. 07:00 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Cy Galley) 58. 07:03 PM - Re: Dynon Info (Dj Merrill) 59. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun camping (Dj Merrill) 60. 07:28 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (linn walters) 61. 07:36 PM - Re:Van's Alternator (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 62. 08:00 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Wayne R. Couture) 63. 08:06 PM - flap motor failure (Dave Ford) 64. 08:13 PM - [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 65. 08:43 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Cy Galley) 66. 09:04 PM - Re: flap motor failure (Stein Bruch) 67. 09:51 PM - Re: Mounting Instruments (Vanremog@aol.com) 68. 09:51 PM - Re: Mounting Instruments (Vanremog@aol.com) 69. 09:59 PM - Re: Dynon Info (Mickey Coggins) 70. 11:12 PM - MT Propeller Group Buy for Lycoming 320 (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 71. 11:21 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Jim Jewell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:50 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's vs Electric Bob's approach --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com For the 'lectric Bobbleheads, don't forget the ballistic recovery parachute for the ultimate in surviving Van's *bad* electrical methodology. :-) do not archive In a message dated 3/2/2004 10:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, rv3@comcast.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." Matt Jurotich wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich > >I have survived one night VFR Alternator failure in a spam can. My RV 6A >is getting the Bob's electric experience with dual alternators and a RG >battery that will give me an hour in the air if both fail. Of course it is >also getting a very good IFR panel at the same time. I bought a 300 hour >old 6 with a basic VFR panel and I no longer want to fly at night without >an IFR capable plane. > >Matthew M. Jurotich > >NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center >Swales contractor to the >JWST ISIM Systems Engineer > Whoa! For safety sake... don't you need TWO engines for night flying as well? :-) Bob - 50 years since solo Do NOT archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:42 AM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: RE: RV-List: Van's alternator --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" For a new build, any mods required to make the Autozone bought one work in the RV in the first place? Just buy the appropriate boss or case mount bracket from Vans and we're set? How about the 60 Amp internally regulated version? Is there a reason folks don't use it more often in the first place other than it's more expensive? Same question about it with respect to buying it local cheaper and mount without modification. do not archive ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: Van's alternator --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > Hopefully I can buy a set of diodes for it. Has anyone ever replaced >them or know if > > they are available? > > > > Phil in Illinois > > >Phil, the alternator is a NipponDenso as used on 1976-1979 Honda Civic >CVCC without air conditioning. A common number you can find in Duralast >and other reman alternators is 14184. About $49.00 at Advance Auto and >Autozone. When I replaced my Vans alternator recently, I left the fan on >the 14184. > >Sam Buchanan I just received a 14184 per Sam's specs from Autozone. It's a rebuild, but appears to be very nicely done...very clean, spins smoothly, etc. I don't plan to split the case to check diodes unless curiosity gets the best of me! It will be kept as a spare, and if needed, the fan will stay on. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:47 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's vs Electric Bob's approach --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > Guys, > > > > Just be sure that you REALLY understand this system because when you > > land in the middle of North Dakota with an electrical problem YOU are > > going to be the expert - the mechanic on duty at the FBO isn't going > > to know squat about it. And of course there's the poor shmuck that > > you sell it to later on.... > > > > Dave RV6 So Cal EAA Technical Counselor > > >Well, we seem to have dropped back into old school thought mode again. >There is no reason for the local mechanic (or the pilot) to panic when >you land with "an electrical problem". Sam Buchanan > I guess the I have two issues here: Why am I going to let someone less familiar with my airplane do ANYTHING to it in North (or South) Dakota? If whomever buys by piece of non old school trash didn't study the simple schematic, then he is a shmuck:-) Sorry couldn't resist, as I am taking every oppurtunity to drop the old school techniques and live in the current (no pun intended). BTW, had a BeechJet pilot stop in yesterday for tax purposes and naturally the conversation turned to the RV. I fired up the Dynon and went through the "Lectric Bob" layout. His first comment was, "You guys get the fun toys". His comment about the electrical layout was it worked on the same design as the BeechJet except they had a third system. Just look at the electrical design in Bob's book, it will come too you............might be at 3AM one morning but you will see the light. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:21 AM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Sam Buchanan wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" > > > I had a bad experience with Van's " rebuilt" alternator.I disassenbled the end bells > > to cut a cooling hole in it for the diodes.after it was opened, I found one broken > > diode and all leads were poorly soldered or not soldered at all. The wires had been > > so hot , the insulation was melted back on them. The outside had been glass beaded > > but the inside was a mess. Not "rebuilt" as I had paid for. It was the 35 amp > > nipondenso. I would recommend buyers to check out their local auto supply first. > > Unfortunately a lot of stuff gets bought way in advance and the 30 day return policy > > has long been expired when it is time to install it. I also wrote it off to > > experience. > > > > Hopefully I can buy a set of diodes for it. Has anyone ever replaced them or know if > > they are available? > > > > Phil in Illinois > > Phil, the alternator is a NipponDenso as used on 1976-1979 Honda Civic > CVCC without air conditioning. A common number you can find in Duralast > and other reman alternators is 14184. About $49.00 at Advance Auto and > Autozone. When I replaced my Vans alternator recently, I left the fan on > the 14184. > > Sam Buchanan Thanks Sam, this is real good information. PS ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:57 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Dynon Info From: --> RV-List message posted by: Hi all, don't know if this is general knowledge, but I thought this response was good enough to share with the list. I finally bit the bullet and ordered my Dynon and associated toys. Tony and Monte have been really great to deal with. Would like to throw out a big thanks to Dynon just for making a good pitot tube for a reasonable price. Every little victory adds up. Eric Thanks for your order, we look forward to receiving it and we'll get it processed as soon as it's received. The wing tip is the preferred location for the remote compass. This gets the remote compass as far away from the panel and ferrous materials (engine, engine mount, landing gear, etc.) as possible. If you have a strobe power supply in the wing tip, you'll want to install the compass as far away from the box as possible (within the wing tip). The EFIS-D10 "samples" the remote compass 64 times/second and averages these samples. Even with the comet flash strobes, there is only small amount of time, relative to the sampling rate, that any significant interference can be generated by the strobe power supply. The remote compass will sense the strobes as they discharge but the user probably won't notice any change on the EFIS-D10 display (due to the averaging and large number of samples taken each second). Now that you understand how the EFIS-D10 gathers and processes compass signals, it explains why electric gyro's (being continuous sources of interference) are the most problematic to correct. As a side note, if you ever think you may be installing our ER Tanks, mount the remote compass at least 1 foot behind the main spar. Then you won't have to move it should you install ER Tanks at a later date. (The ER Tanks slide into the first nose rib lightening hole forward of the spar) If there's anything else Monte or I can do for you, please don't hesitate to contact us. Tony Munday and Monte McDavid SafeAir1 817-821-4957 (TM) 817-939-2695 (MM) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:44 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Mounting Instruments From: tacaruth@ralcorp.com 03/03/2004 08:10:24 AM --> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com Hi All, I am mounting my flight instruments in the control panel. What type of screws are the best to use? Do I need to use brass or stainless? Are aircraft grade screws required since this is non-structural? Thanks in advance, Tom RV-7A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:47 AM PST US From: "Gordon and Marge" Subject: RV-List: I39 fly-in queries --> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" First, congratulations to Dana and his EAA chapter, friends and family for an outstanding start to our flying season. Second, who are these folks Dana mentioned from Pontiac, MI? Did you mean us, from Tecumseh, MI, and just get your Indian chiefs confused? If there are active RV-ers from Pontiac, not far from here by RV, we would like to know them and perhaps get together. Thanks. Gordon and Marge N363GC ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:46 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com A fan is definitely necessary. My friend had the Van's 35 amp fail and take out most of his electronics. (Another plug for Bob's buss.) I opened up the alternator and although it still worked, it was toast. The regulator had failed. The reason Van's removes the fan may be that it rotates backwards for the airplane. Check this, but even so it may be better to have it. An alternator is only about 50% efficient, and really depends on lots of airflow for cooling. Dan (retired automotive engineer) RV-7A N766DH (almost done) In a message dated 3/2/04 10:30:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, sbuc@hiwaay.net writes: > > Phil, the alternator is a NipponDenso as used on 1976-1979 Honda Civic > CVCC without air conditioning. A common number you can find in Duralast > and other reman alternators is 14184. About $49.00 at Advance Auto and > Autozone. When I replaced my Vans alternator recently, I left the fan on > the 14184. > > Sam Buchanan > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:47 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: RV-List: EZ-Pilot display update --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Just wanted to update my experiences with the Trio Avionics EZ-Pilot autopilot. I have flown the unit with the new LCD display and am completely pleased with it. The LCD eliminates the only problem that an RV pilot would have with the system. I won't rehash info that is in the archives, but the EZ-Pilot is a plug-n-play replacement for the Navaid head and has a feature set far more advanced than the Navaid. The EZ-Pilot is also completely solid-state and uses those cool new sensors like the other AHRS systems. The Trio website: http://www.trioavionics.com My previous comments on this autopilot: http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/EZ_Pilot.htm Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:43 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan lucky macy wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" > > > For a new build, any mods required to make the Autozone bought one work in > the RV in the first place? Just buy the appropriate boss or case mount > bracket from Vans and we're set? > > How about the 60 Amp internally regulated version? Is there a reason folks > don't use it more often in the first place other than it's more expensive? > Same question about it with respect to buying it local cheaper and mount > without modification. The 14184 will fit perfectly in the Vans bracket. Note that Vans part number for their alternator is........14184. :-) Somebody pulls the fan off the Vans unit but the alternator will work just fine with the fan in place. As for internally regulated alternators, you might read, *ahem*, 'Lectic Bob's discourses on this subject. The internally regulated alternators are a bit more difficult to set up for over-voltage protection than the externally regulated units and that is why Bob recommends the external regulator. He has an inexpensive OV module that can be easily wired into an external regulator circuit. There are many internally regulated alternators on RVs without over-voltage protection. The argument is that the things work fine on cars, why not on our planes? It really comes down to whether or not you want to trust your high doll$$$$$r avionics to the regulator in the alternator. Sam Buchanan ================= > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Brian Denk" > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Van's alternator > Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 04:26:42 +0000 > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > Hopefully I can buy a set of diodes for it. Has anyone ever replaced > >them or know if > > > they are available? > > > > > > Phil in Illinois > > > > > >Phil, the alternator is a NipponDenso as used on 1976-1979 Honda Civic > >CVCC without air conditioning. A common number you can find in Duralast > >and other reman alternators is 14184. About $49.00 at Advance Auto and > >Autozone. When I replaced my Vans alternator recently, I left the fan on > >the 14184. > > > >Sam Buchanan > > > I just received a 14184 per Sam's specs from Autozone. It's a rebuild, but > appears to be very nicely done...very clean, spins smoothly, etc. I don't > plan to split the case to check diodes unless curiosity gets the best of me! > It will be kept as a spare, and if needed, the fan will stay on. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > RV10 '51 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:50 AM PST US From: "Ron Walker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Mounting Instruments --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" Page 93 of the 03/04 spruce catalog ... brass instrument screws - MS24693 is the part. The brass construction will not interfere with the compass readings. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Mounting Instruments > --> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com > > > Hi All, > > I am mounting my flight instruments in the control panel. What type of > screws are the best to use? Do I need to use brass or stainless? Are > aircraft grade screws required since this is non-structural? > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom > RV-7A > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:14 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Mounting Instruments --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters tacaruth@ralcorp.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com > > >Hi All, > >I am mounting my flight instruments in the control panel. What type of >screws are the best to use? Do I need to use brass or stainless? Are >aircraft grade screws required since this is non-structural? > >Thanks in advance, > >Tom >RV-7A > Typically the instruments are mounted with black anodized brass screws. They weigh less than steel and are non-magnetic. Aesthetically, however, I guess it depends on the color of your instrument panel. There are many grades of 'stainless' screws, so test with a magnet to be sure. I wouldn't use cad-plated (aircraft) screws because of the cost. Generally, in deciding whether to use common hardware Vs. aircraft bolts, you need to look at the application. Aircraft bolts/screws will bend without fracturing (and they'll bend a lot) while stuff from the hardware store will typically fracture. Tensile strength can be fairly equal depending on the grade of the common hardware. Linn > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:52 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool oil temps cure --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Has anyone tested one of these? My oil temp is hovering around the published opening temp of 108 C in cold weather and seems to be staying there. Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 18 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Pichon" Subject: RE: RV-List: Cool oil temps cure > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" > > Hi Jim, > > I have the same problem with my -4. On cold days, I cannot get the oil > temperature above 150F -even with the downstream side of the cooler blocked. > I plan to block the upstream side as I have been told this is much more > effective though much less easily done. I don't believe the Vernatherm > valve is your problem - assuming you have one. Vernatherm valves are > normally open, and close upon a rise in temperature. They contain a wax > pill much like car thermostats. As the heat of the oil melts the wax, it > expands thereby extending a piston. This piston extension blocks a hole > that otherwise returns oil to the engine. The alternate path (Vernatherm > extended) shunts the oil through the cooler. Even when the Vernatherm valve > is cold, it leaks (by design) oil through the cooler. > > Regarding the manual valve, I've never heard of such a system, but it would > probably help - assuming you were comfortable with any safety issues. I > suggest you try blocking the upstream side of the cooler and let me know how > it works! > > Good luck, > > Dean > RV-4 > Worcester, MA > 180 Hrs > > >From: "Jim Anglin" > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: "RV List" > >Subject: RV-List: Cool oil temps cure > >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:14:30 -0800 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" > > > >My -4 won't get the oil temps above 150 even with a plate blocking off the > >inlet. Someone told me there was an oil control valve that could be > >installed to manually regulate the flow of oil to the cooler. I know this > >could be potentially dangerous but notwithstanding that does anyone know if > >this info is bogus and if not who would sell these valves? > > > >Jim > > > > > > Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:13 AM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" good, thanks for the tips! lucky do not archive ----Original Message Follows---- From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan lucky macy wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" > > > For a new build, any mods required to make the Autozone bought one work in > the RV in the first place? Just buy the appropriate boss or case mount > bracket from Vans and we're set? > > How about the 60 Amp internally regulated version? Is there a reason folks > don't use it more often in the first place other than it's more expensive? > Same question about it with respect to buying it local cheaper and mount > without modification. The 14184 will fit perfectly in the Vans bracket. Note that Vans part number for their alternator is........14184. :-) Somebody pulls the fan off the Vans unit but the alternator will work just fine with the fan in place. As for internally regulated alternators, you might read, *ahem*, 'Lectic Bob's discourses on this subject. The internally regulated alternators are a bit more difficult to set up for over-voltage protection than the externally regulated units and that is why Bob recommends the external regulator. He has an inexpensive OV module that can be easily wired into an external regulator circuit. There are many internally regulated alternators on RVs without over-voltage protection. The argument is that the things work fine on cars, why not on our planes? It really comes down to whether or not you want to trust your high doll$$$$$r avionics to the regulator in the alternator. Sam Buchanan ================= > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Brian Denk" > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Van's alternator > Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 04:26:42 +0000 > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > > > > Hopefully I can buy a set of diodes for it. Has anyone ever replaced > >them or know if > > > they are available? > > > > > > Phil in Illinois > > > > > >Phil, the alternator is a NipponDenso as used on 1976-1979 Honda Civic > >CVCC without air conditioning. A common number you can find in Duralast > >and other reman alternators is 14184. About $49.00 at Advance Auto and > >Autozone. When I replaced my Vans alternator recently, I left the fan on > >the 14184. > > > >Sam Buchanan > > > I just received a 14184 per Sam's specs from Autozone. It's a rebuild, but > appears to be very nicely done...very clean, spins smoothly, etc. I don't > plan to split the case to check diodes unless curiosity gets the best of me! > It will be kept as a spare, and if needed, the fan will stay on. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > RV10 '51 Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:22 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Listers, What was the name of the engine shop in Oklahoma mentioned recently on the list? I couldn't find it in the archives. Thanks, Dan RV-7A (almost done) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:56 AM PST US From: "Ernest Kells" Subject: Re: RV-List: Mounting Instruments --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" > >I am mounting my flight instruments in the control panel. What type of > >screws are the best to use? Do I need to use brass or stainless? Are > >aircraft grade screws required since this is non-structural? I painted my panel in medium gray (not so reflective in sunlight). The black brass instrument screws (Page 93 of ACS) look really neat in the panel. I chose the pan head MS35214 screws. For the six big holes I used nut rings (Vans Catalogue and Page 342 of ACS). They allow you to install and remove those instruments from the front. The screws match the above pan head screws used everywhere else. Cool. Ernest Kells - RV-9A O235-N2C, Wood Prop 90% Complete - electrical and pre-paint ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:52 AM PST US From: "Ted Gauthier" Subject: RE: RV-List: Michigan RV's --> RV-List message posted by: "Ted Gauthier" RV's in Michigan, My plan was to attend the RV event in Kentucky however I did not make it. I am sorry that I did not attend, I heard it was a really great time. Yes, I am from Pontiac, Mi. We have at least 6 RV's based here and at least another dozen builders and flying RV's in the area. Great group of guys, just give us a call, we also welcome new friends. Ted Gauthier, RV-6 125hours DAR Pontiac, Mich. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon and Marge Subject: RV-List: I39 fly-in queries --> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" First, congratulations to Dana and his EAA chapter, friends and family for an outstanding start to our flying season. Second, who are these folks Dana mentioned from Pontiac, MI? Did you mean us, from Tecumseh, MI, and just get your Indian chiefs confused? If there are active RV-ers from Pontiac, not far from here by RV, we would like to know them and perhaps get together. Thanks. Gordon and Marge N363GC == == == == ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:40 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: Are you looking for DIVCO in Tulsa (1-800-874-1351)? ----- Original Message ----- From: Hopperdhh@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Listers, What was the name of the engine shop in Oklahoma mentioned recently on the list? I couldn't find it in the archives. Thanks, Dan RV-7A (almost done) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:24 AM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com Went to the SNF web site; now more confused than before... they make it sound like Convention Camping is not overnight?! And what's the deal with a ban on backpacks and coolers? I was there in 1995 (went by car) and I know good and well there were coolers in abundance in the campground and I wore a backpack to carry all the stuff from the fly-mart and the exhibitors' brochures. Is this a policy to enhance on site food and beverage sales? Will all you airplane campers be limiting yourselves to dehydrated foods that need no cooling? Please tell me it ain't so. Any idea of what to expect if I fly into KLAL with my airplane camping gear would be very much appreciated. Thanks, and do not archive. -Bill B RV-6A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:46 AM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Airworthiness Inspection --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Group... Had an opportunity to observe airworthiness inspection yesterday. My advice... if you get a chance to watch one, do it. You will learn a heap of stuff. I took away from this that before your "final", you should tear that baby down and do a formal "condition inspection" yourself, using the checklist and paying a LOT of attention to tiny details, like proper safety wire, anti chafing, nuts, bolts, washers. The inspector in this case, Mike Robertson, was beyond thorough, and I got a new appreciation for the work these guys do. Jerry Cochran RV6a...flying one, building one. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:42 AM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Mounting Instruments --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" ACS also sells an Instrument Mounting Nut (pg 86) that attach a nut on the back of each mounting hole of an instrument. These nuts stay with the instrument and make installation easy. The nuts come in different lengths for use with instrument that different thicknesses. They are non-magnetic and take 6-32 machine screws. Albert Gardner RV-9A 872RV Yuma, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Kells" Subject: Re: RV-List: Mounting Instruments > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" > > > >I am mounting my flight instruments in the control panel. What type of > > >screws are the best to use? Do I need to use brass or stainless? Are > > >aircraft grade screws required since this is non-structural? > > I painted my panel in medium gray (not so reflective in sunlight). The black > brass instrument screws (Page 93 of ACS) look really neat in the panel. I > chose the pan head MS35214 screws. For the six big holes I used nut rings > (Vans Catalogue and Page 342 of ACS). They allow you to install and remove > those instruments from the front. The screws match the above pan head > screws used everywhere else. Cool. > Ernest Kells - RV-9A O235-N2C, Wood Prop > 90% Complete - electrical and pre-paint ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:32 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters SportAV8R@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > >Went to the SNF web site; now more confused than before... they make it sound like Convention Camping is not overnight?! > Yeah, is't overnight ... X 7. They charge you for the whole week and no refunds if you leave early. This is one more way to extract the max amount of money. I totally disagree with the tactic .... but I wasn't asked. > And what's the deal with a ban on backpacks and coolers? I was there in 1995 (went by car) and I know good and well there were coolers in abundance in the campground and I wore a backpack to carry all the stuff from the fly-mart and the exhibitors' brochures. Is this a policy to enhance on site food and beverage sales? Will all you airplane campers be limiting yourselves to dehydrated foods that need no cooling? > The ban is a 'security' item thanks to 9/11. they're all right in the campground ..... but not in the display areas. Folks used to bring a cooler and stuff to make watching the airshow more enjoyable ...... but no more. Another Poo! >Please tell me it ain't so. Any idea of what to expect if I fly into KLAL with my airplane camping gear would be very much appreciated. > Expect to be met with a golf cart .... driver will have his hand out collecting your camping fee ..... after you get parked. Since I'm a subversive .... you might park your RV in the showplane area and after 5 or 6 when things die down a little .... transfer your stuff to the 'plane camping' area and pitch your tent near the woods. You'll have a lot of company. Linn >Thanks, and do not archive. > >-Bill B RV-6A > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:47 AM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" they do case work only. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: Are you looking for DIVCO in Tulsa (1-800-874-1351)? ----- Original Message ----- From: Hopperdhh@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Listers, What was the name of the engine shop in Oklahoma mentioned recently on the list? I couldn't find it in the archives. Thanks, Dan RV-7A (almost done) Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:22 AM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Airworthiness Inspection --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" Mike did mine and required a condition inspection be done with the appropriate checklist prior to him doing the inspection. Ross N9PT ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Airworthiness Inspection > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > Group... > > Had an opportunity to observe airworthiness inspection yesterday. My > advice... if you get a chance to watch one, do it. You will learn a heap of stuff. I > took away from this that before your "final", you should tear that baby down > and do a formal "condition inspection" yourself, using the checklist and paying > a LOT of attention to tiny details, like proper safety wire, anti chafing, > nuts, bolts, washers. The inspector in this case, Mike Robertson, was beyond > thorough, and I got a new appreciation for the work these guys do. > > Jerry Cochran > RV6a...flying one, building one. > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:25 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Thanks for the replies. I was wanting to know good places to send out parts for overhaul. Crankcase: Divco Crankshaft, Connecting rods, Camshaft, Lifters: ??? Cylinders: ??? Where/Who are the preferred shops for someone who does their own assembly? Thanks, Dan RV-7A N766DH (almost done) Working on a spare engine! ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:16 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com For grins, I called up Pep Boys. Part number 14184, from an civic years 76 - 79 without AC is $18.00. The same alternator for the airconditioned version can be had for 34.99. This is a remanufactured one but the guy swears it's with new parts even at that price :-). The only "catch" is that the name NipponDenso was nowhere to be found but Pro Start and Bosch were the names associated with it in the lookup. What do you guys think? Someone already have to scoop on this? ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:27 AM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" "Rv8-List" , "Rv9-List" , "Rv-List" Subject: RV-List: Quick Fit Tabs for Ground Blocks --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hi Guys, Just a quick update. Awhile back people were looking for the ground block tabs separate from fuse blocks and pre-made ground blocks. I now have several hundred in stock. They have 10 tabs, (2 double rows of 5), are the 1/4 faston, with holes for mounting to a brass bar, bulkhead, etc.. Basically, you can "roll your own" ground blocks now, and it's much cheaper than buying one already made. I thought about making ground blocks, but it's easier just to sell the tabs, and let the builder make their own if they like. They are listed under "Accessories" on my website. Also, under switches you'll see some new Vinyl Toggle switch boots in 6 colors. They really dress up the switches nice! Last thing.....I now have all the 4 conductor shielded wire in stock for the Dynon Harnesses, and all harnesses/kits from this point forward will be delivered with Shielded wire as standard. Happy building and have a great day. Cheers, Stein Bruch http://www.steinair.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:43 AM PST US From: "BRUCE GRAY" Subject: RE: RV-List: Michigan RV's --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" Ted, I know this would be a good cross country flight for you guys up there but myself and Chapter 403 have put together RV APPRECIATION DAY, a fly-in that will be held Apr. 30th through May 2nd at the Carson City, NV. Airport. We have additional information on the fly-in on VansAircaft web sight. vansaircraft.com under Fly-in Schedule. Check it out if you guys are interested and weather permits. Thak you, Bruce >From: "Ted Gauthier" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: RV-List: Michigan RV's >Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:15:24 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ted Gauthier" > >RV's in Michigan, > >My plan was to attend the RV event in Kentucky however I did not make >it. I am sorry that I did not attend, I heard it was a really great >time. Yes, I am from Pontiac, Mi. We have at least 6 RV's based here >and at least another dozen builders and flying RV's in the area. Great >group of guys, just give us a call, we also welcome new friends. > >Ted Gauthier, RV-6 125hours >DAR >Pontiac, Mich. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon and >Marge >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: I39 fly-in queries > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" > >First, congratulations to Dana and his EAA chapter, friends and family >for an outstanding start to our flying season. Second, who are these >folks Dana mentioned from Pontiac, MI? Did you mean us, from Tecumseh, >MI, and just get your Indian chiefs confused? If there are active RV-ers >from Pontiac, not far from here by RV, we would like to know them and >perhaps get together. Thanks. > >Gordon and Marge >N363GC > > >== >== >== >== > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:42 PM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: RV-List: new RV Story --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" To all who are waiting on the new RV-story video (with the RV-10). A new batch of DVDs came in today, so all backorders will go out this afternoon. VHS versions also arrived today and now available as well. Thank you all for your patience. Andy Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:15 PM PST US From: Matt Jurotich Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's vs Electric Bob's approach --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich No vacuum pump or instruments, therefore reasonable prudence says an all electric IFR panel should have two independent sources of power. B&C sells two nice vacuum pump pad alternator. Matthew M. Jurotich NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Swales contractor to the JWST ISIM Systems Engineer m/c : 443 e-mail mail to: phone : 301-286-5919 fax : 301-286-7021 JWST URL: Subject: Re: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: How about: Crankcase: DIVCO / Tulsa, OK Crankshaft, Connecting rods, Camshaft, Lifters: AIRCRAFT SPECIALTIES / Tulsa, OK Cylinders: GIBSON AIRCRAFT / El Reno, OK (Or ECI, SUPERIOR) ----- Original Message ----- From: Hopperdhh@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Thanks for the replies. I was wanting to know good places to send out parts for overhaul. Crankcase: Divco Crankshaft, Connecting rods, Camshaft, Lifters: ??? Cylinders: ??? Where/Who are the preferred shops for someone who does their own assembly? Thanks, Dan RV-7A N766DH (almost done) Working on a spare engine! ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:38 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > >Thanks for the replies. > >I was wanting to know good places to send out parts for overhaul. > > Crankcase: Divco > Crankshaft, Connecting rods, Camshaft, Lifters: ??? > D&S Camcorp (386) 426-0670 > Cylinders: ??? > D&S engines used to do mine, but they're out of the cylinder business now. Linn >Where/Who are the preferred shops for someone who does their own assembly? > >Thanks, Dan >RV-7A N766DH (almost done) >Working on a spare engine! > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:38 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Need name of engine shop --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > >Thanks for the replies. > >I was wanting to know good places to send out parts for overhaul. > > Crankcase: Divco > Crankshaft, Connecting rods, Camshaft, Lifters: ??? > D&S Camcorp (386) 426-0670 > Cylinders: ??? > D&S engines used to do mine, but they're out of the cylinder business now. Linn do not archive >Where/Who are the preferred shops for someone who does their own assembly? > >Thanks, Dan >RV-7A N766DH (almost done) >Working on a spare engine! > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:04 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan RV8ter@aol.com wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > > For grins, I called up Pep Boys. Part number 14184, from an civic years 76 - 79 without AC is $18.00. The same alternator for the airconditioned version can be had for 34.99. > > This is a remanufactured one but the guy swears it's with new parts even at that price :-). > > The only "catch" is that the name NipponDenso was nowhere to be found but Pro Start and Bosch were the names associated with it in the lookup. > > What do you guys think? Someone already have to scoop on this? I looked on the Advance Auto Parts site and there are several alternators listed for the 1977 Honda Civic CVCC, and not all of them are 14184. You might want to compare the $18.00 unit to a 14184 to make sure it is the same alternator. There are scores of alternators that can be used on our planes (after all, they only have to charge the battery), but the 14184 is small and externally regulated making it suitable for our use. The Nippon brand wasn't on the 14184 I recently purchased. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:29 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: I39 fly-in queries --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" >From: "Gordon and Marge" >First, congratulations to Dana and his EAA chapter, friends and family >for an outstanding start to our flying season. Second, who are these >folks Dana mentioned from Pontiac, MI? Did you mean us, from Tecumseh, >MI, and just get your Indian chiefs confused? If there are active RV-ers >from Pontiac, not far from here by RV, we would like to know them and >perhaps get together. Thanks. You're right, I must have got my Indian chiefs mixed up:-) Anyway, you Michigan folks were well represented. The first to arrive was a flyer from the Indiana side of the Mich. border and I talked with two different car loads who actually drove from Michigan. Good to see you all. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:55 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com In a message dated 3/3/2004 4:47:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, sbuc@hiwaay.net writes: The Nippon brand wasn't on the 14184 I recently purchased. Sam Buchanan forgot to ask, was the Nippon not being on the label of your recent 14184 purchase a good thing or a bad thing? ie, will work with Van's alternator kit just as good as the one Van's sells or not? thx, lucky ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:25 PM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" The best I can do it is buy it, take it to the airport and look at a friends who has the Van's version and compare. They sort of all look almost identical in pictures. I'll post results... lucky do not archive ----Original Message Follows---- From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan RV8ter@aol.com wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > > For grins, I called up Pep Boys. Part number 14184, from an civic years 76 - 79 without AC is $18.00. The same alternator for the airconditioned version can be had for 34.99. > > This is a remanufactured one but the guy swears it's with new parts even at that price :-). > > The only "catch" is that the name NipponDenso was nowhere to be found but Pro Start and Bosch were the names associated with it in the lookup. > > What do you guys think? Someone already have to scoop on this? I looked on the Advance Auto Parts site and there are several alternators listed for the 1977 Honda Civic CVCC, and not all of them are 14184. You might want to compare the $18.00 unit to a 14184 to make sure it is the same alternator. There are scores of alternators that can be used on our planes (after all, they only have to charge the battery), but the 14184 is small and externally regulated making it suitable for our use. The Nippon brand wasn't on the 14184 I recently purchased. Sam Buchanan Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:08 PM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Camping Question --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes At 01:52 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "John" > >I'm not an outdoorsman I am. My newest tent, my seventh, is a Coleman Sundome 7'X7'. Adequate and cheap. Oshkosh proven. If you want to keep your plane really light get a one man back pack tent. I have a Eureka and love it. Whatever you get be sure you get a fly that covers as much tent as possible - few cover enough IMHO. Keeping the tent from getting wet helps you stay dry. When it rains at OSH, the wind blows too. Also take a water bottle and a P bottle. You can certainly get better tents and being able to get a good night's in the outdoors is essential to your becoming an outdoorsman. K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now. PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:41 PM PST US From: Ken Balch Subject: RV-List: WTB: RV-6 --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch Nice, clean, low-time RV-6. 160hp or 180hp. Engine either factory new when plane was built, or overhauled to new limits by established shop. Sensenich metal prop or Hartzell c/s. Slider canopy. Brakes on both sides. VFR with gyros. Please email me directly with specs & pictures. 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Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24NCglfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KCQ0K CQ0KCQ0KCQ0KCQ0KDQo ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:29 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan RV8ter@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > > In a message dated 3/3/2004 4:47:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, sbuc@hiwaay.net > writes: > The Nippon brand wasn't on the 14184 I recently purchased. > > Sam Buchanan > forgot to ask, was the Nippon not being on the label of your recent 14184 > purchase a good thing or a bad thing? ie, will work with Van's alternator kit > just as good as the one Van's sells or not? > > thx, > lucky It will work just fine. The Nippon brand wasn't on Vans's unit either; matter of fact it didn't have *any* marking. Keep in mind all the alternator does is keep the battery charged; there is no black art here. :-) Just think.....the alternator will have a lifetime warranty as long as you own that '77 Civic. ;-) Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:04 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" I am driving to SNF. Can anyone tell me if you can bring a tent and camp somwehere there if you didn't fly in? If so, can you camp with your vehicle so you can lock up your stuff instead of having to carry it all out to the parking lot and back every day. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: linn walters >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >SportAV8R@aol.com wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com >> >>Went to the SNF web site; now more confused than before... they make it sound like Convention Camping is not overnight?! >> >Yeah, is't overnight ... X 7. They charge you for the whole week and no >refunds if you leave early. This is one more way to extract the max >amount of money. I totally disagree with the tactic .... but I wasn't >asked. > >> And what's the deal with a ban on backpacks and coolers? I was there in 1995 (went by car) and I know good and well there were coolers in abundance in the campground and I wore a backpack to carry all the stuff from the fly-mart and the exhibitors' brochures. Is this a policy to enhance on site food and beverage sales? Will all you airplane campers be limiting yourselves to dehydrated foods that need no cooling? >> >The ban is a 'security' item thanks to 9/11. they're all right in the >campground ..... but not in the display areas. Folks used to bring a >cooler and stuff to make watching the airshow more enjoyable ...... but >no more. Another Poo! > >>Please tell me it ain't so. Any idea of what to expect if I fly into KLAL with my airplane camping gear would be very much appreciated. >> >Expect to be met with a golf cart .... driver will have his hand out >collecting your camping fee ..... after you get parked. Since I'm a >subversive .... you might park your RV in the showplane area and after 5 >or 6 when things die down a little .... transfer your stuff to the >'plane camping' area and pitch your tent near the woods. You'll have a >lot of company. >Linn > >>Thanks, and do not archive. >> >>-Bill B RV-6A >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:50 PM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Camping Question --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens >--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes > >At 01:52 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote: >>--> RV-List message posted by: "John" >> > >I'm not an outdoorsman > > snipped Hal's comments about tents... >Also take a water bottle >and a P bottle. > And be sure not to mix up the two.... :-) > >K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne >RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now. >PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) > Laird SoCal Do NOT archive ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:36 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Lucky, While you have it at your friend's hanger, look at the internal fan(s) of the alternator. See if you can determine if they would suck air in from the front when the alternator is spun by a Lycoming. In other words, try to determine if Civics and Lycomings rotate the same direction. Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" > >The best I can do it is buy it, take it to the airport and look at a friends >who has the Van's version and compare. They sort of all look almost >identical in pictures. I'll post results... > >lucky > >do not archive > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Sam Buchanan >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys >Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:43:48 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > >RV8ter@aol.com wrote: > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > > > > For grins, I called up Pep Boys. Part number 14184, from an civic years >76 - 79 without AC is $18.00. The same alternator for the airconditioned >version can be had for 34.99. > > > > This is a remanufactured one but the guy swears it's with new parts even >at that price :-). > > > > The only "catch" is that the name NipponDenso was nowhere to be found but >Pro Start and Bosch were the names associated with it in the lookup. > > > > What do you guys think? Someone already have to scoop on this? > > >I looked on the Advance Auto Parts site and there are several >alternators listed for the 1977 Honda Civic CVCC, and not all of them >are 14184. You might want to compare the $18.00 unit to a 14184 to make >sure it is the same alternator. There are scores of alternators that can >be used on our planes (after all, they only have to charge the battery), >but the 14184 is small and externally regulated making it suitable for >our use. > >The Nippon brand wasn't on the 14184 I recently purchased. > >Sam Buchanan > > >Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:48 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com Sure but I'm pretty sure it will be backwards as that's been written here before. The fan is press fit however and a decent gear puller should be able to get rid of it. ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:39 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Dynon Heated Pitot Availability From: "" --> RV-List message posted by: "" FYI...information I got from Dynon on the Heated Pitot Scott 7A Wings From: Gloria Hee [mailto:temp@dynondevelopment.com] Subject: RE: Heated Pitot Availability We hope to have the heated AOA/Pitot probe available the end of this month. It should work in the place of any heated pitot but it will not be TSOd. There are no options when ordering the pitot. -----Original Message----- From: Scott_Haskins@Dell.com [mailto:Scott_Haskins@Dell.com] Subject: Heated Pitot Availability Can you confirm when the new heated pitot will be available? Also, will it work only with the Dynon, or in the place of any heated pitot application? Are there any options when ordering the pitot? Thanks, Scott Haskins Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:37 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Brian Kraut wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" > >I am driving to SNF. Can anyone tell me if you can bring a tent and camp somwehere there if you didn't fly in? If so, can you camp with your vehicle so you can lock up your stuff instead of having to carry it all out to the parking lot and back every day. > Absolutely! When you get off I-4, follow the signs for camping. You'll be squished amongst all the 1000's of tents ..... pulled out of the trunk!!! Linn > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: linn walters >Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:28:11 -0500 > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters >> >>SportAV8R@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com >>> >>>Went to the SNF web site; now more confused than before... they make it sound like Convention Camping is not overnight?! >>> >>> >>> >>Yeah, is't overnight ... X 7. They charge you for the whole week and no >>refunds if you leave early. This is one more way to extract the max >>amount of money. I totally disagree with the tactic .... but I wasn't >>asked. >> >> >> >>> And what's the deal with a ban on backpacks and coolers? I was there in 1995 (went by car) and I know good and well there were coolers in abundance in the campground and I wore a backpack to carry all the stuff from the fly-mart and the exhibitors' brochures. Is this a policy to enhance on site food and beverage sales? Will all you airplane campers be limiting yourselves to dehydrated foods that need no cooling? >>> >>> >>> >>The ban is a 'security' item thanks to 9/11. they're all right in the >>campground ..... but not in the display areas. Folks used to bring a >>cooler and stuff to make watching the airshow more enjoyable ...... but >>no more. Another Poo! >> >> >> >>>Please tell me it ain't so. Any idea of what to expect if I fly into KLAL with my airplane camping gear would be very much appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>Expect to be met with a golf cart .... driver will have his hand out >>collecting your camping fee ..... after you get parked. Since I'm a >>subversive .... you might park your RV in the showplane area and after 5 >>or 6 when things die down a little .... transfer your stuff to the >>'plane camping' area and pitch your tent near the woods. You'll have a >>lot of company. >>Linn >> >> >> >>>Thanks, and do not archive. >>> >>>-Bill B RV-6A >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:09 PM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England Brian Kraut wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" > >I am driving to SNF. Can anyone tell me if you can bring a tent and camp somwehere there if you didn't fly in? If so, can you camp with your vehicle so you can lock up your stuff instead of having to carry it all out to the parking lot and back every day. > snipped Hi Brian, Yes, you can camp with your car. Expect a fairly long commute to the flight line if you don't arrive at least 2 days early, but it's still nowhere near as bad as OSH. FWIW, I've never heard of anyone losing anything out of a campsite at a major flyin. I guess it happens, but it's got to be pretty rare or we would hear more about it. Has anyone on the list lost anything while camping at SNF or OSH? Charlie ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:03 PM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England RV8ter@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > >Sure but I'm pretty sure it will be backwards as that's been written here >before. The fan is press fit however and a decent gear puller should be able to >get rid of it. > The external fan will still work (just not quite as efficiently) even when spun backward. I've seen it confirmed on a test bench with the alternator spun both ways. I've not observed this with an internal fan model, but I expect similar results. Any auto-electric shop, & probably even AutoZone, could spin one up for you if you want to check it for yourself. Charlie ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:46 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Charlie & Tupper England wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England > >RV8ter@aol.com wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com >> >>Sure but I'm pretty sure it will be backwards as that's been written here >>before. The fan is press fit however and a decent gear puller should be able to >>get rid of it. >> >> >> > >The external fan will still work (just not quite as efficiently) even >when spun backward. I've seen it confirmed on a test bench with the >alternator spun both ways. I've not observed this with an internal fan >model, but I expect similar results. Any auto-electric shop, & probably >even AutoZone, could spin one up for you if you want to check it for >yourself. > > >Charlie > > The fan turning backwards well work fine, it has worked great on my internal regulated non-electric Bob electrical system for over 1000 hours. :) Jerry ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:38 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" Do they have showers there and do you have to wait in line for an hour? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: linn walters >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > >Brian Kraut wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" >> >>I am driving to SNF. Can anyone tell me if you can bring a tent and camp somwehere there if you didn't fly in? If so, can you camp with your vehicle so you can lock up your stuff instead of having to carry it all out to the parking lot and back every day. >> >Absolutely! When you get off I-4, follow the signs for camping. You'll >be squished amongst all the 1000's of tents ..... pulled out of the trunk!!! >Linn > >> >>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>From: linn walters >>Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:28:11 -0500 >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters >>> >>>SportAV8R@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com >>>> >>>>Went to the SNF web site; now more confused than before... they make it sound like Convention Camping is not overnight?! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Yeah, is't overnight ... X 7. They charge you for the whole week and no >>>refunds if you leave early. This is one more way to extract the max >>>amount of money. I totally disagree with the tactic .... but I wasn't >>>asked. >>> >>> >>> >>>> And what's the deal with a ban on backpacks and coolers? I was there in 1995 (went by car) and I know good and well there were coolers in abundance in the campground and I wore a backpack to carry all the stuff from the fly-mart and the exhibitors' brochures. Is this a policy to enhance on site food and beverage sales? Will all you airplane campers be limiting yourselves to dehydrated foods that need no cooling? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>The ban is a 'security' item thanks to 9/11. they're all right in the >>>campground ..... but not in the display areas. Folks used to bring a >>>cooler and stuff to make watching the airshow more enjoyable ...... but >>>no more. Another Poo! >>> >>> >>> >>>>Please tell me it ain't so. Any idea of what to expect if I fly into KLAL with my airplane camping gear would be very much appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Expect to be met with a golf cart .... driver will have his hand out >>>collecting your camping fee ..... after you get parked. Since I'm a >>>subversive .... you might park your RV in the showplane area and after 5 >>>or 6 when things die down a little .... transfer your stuff to the >>>'plane camping' area and pitch your tent near the woods. You'll have a >>>lot of company. >>>Linn >>> >>> >>> >>>>Thanks, and do not archive. >>>> >>>>-Bill B RV-6A >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:12 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Sorry Sam, but the alternator not only has to charge the battery, it also has to supply power for everything in the airplane. The electrical equipment in the airplane runs off the alternator not the battery. The battery is used only for starting and backup for the alternator. Dave Sam Buchanan wrote: >There are scores of alternators that can >be used on our planes (after all, they only have to charge the battery), > > > > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:34 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Brian Kraut wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" > >Do they have showers there and do you have to wait in line for an hour? > No showers. No water. No toilets. Just kidding. I'm camped in a different campground, but I remember a fairly large shower building near the entrance to the campground. Others will have to comment on that more accurately. There may be more than that one. The wait for a shower depends on what time of day. In some of the showers, hot water is the same way. Early afternoon showers or late at night seem to work better. One of the perks of being a long term volunteer (30 years this year) is that I get a campsite with full hookup so I don't have to use the shower buildings. No, Y'all can't shower in my trailer!!!! > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: linn walters >Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:55:55 -0500 > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters >> >>Brian Kraut wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" >>> >>>I am driving to SNF. Can anyone tell me if you can bring a tent and camp somwehere there if you didn't fly in? If so, can you camp with your vehicle so you can lock up your stuff instead of having to carry it all out to the parking lot and back every day. >>> >>> >>> >>Absolutely! When you get off I-4, follow the signs for camping. You'll >>be squished amongst all the 1000's of tents ..... pulled out of the trunk!!! >>Linn >> >> >> >>>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>From: linn walters >>>Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:28:11 -0500 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters >>>> >>>>SportAV8R@aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com >>>>> >>>>>Went to the SNF web site; now more confused than before... they make it sound like Convention Camping is not overnight?! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Yeah, is't overnight ... X 7. They charge you for the whole week and no >>>>refunds if you leave early. This is one more way to extract the max >>>>amount of money. I totally disagree with the tactic .... but I wasn't >>>>asked. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>And what's the deal with a ban on backpacks and coolers? I was there in 1995 (went by car) and I know good and well there were coolers in abundance in the campground and I wore a backpack to carry all the stuff from the fly-mart and the exhibitors' brochures. Is this a policy to enhance on site food and beverage sales? Will all you airplane campers be limiting yourselves to dehydrated foods that need no cooling? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>The ban is a 'security' item thanks to 9/11. they're all right in the >>>>campground ..... but not in the display areas. Folks used to bring a >>>>cooler and stuff to make watching the airshow more enjoyable ...... but >>>>no more. Another Poo! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Please tell me it ain't so. Any idea of what to expect if I fly into KLAL with my airplane camping gear would be very much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Expect to be met with a golf cart .... driver will have his hand out >>>>collecting your camping fee ..... after you get parked. Since I'm a >>>>subversive .... you might park your RV in the showplane area and after 5 >>>>or 6 when things die down a little .... transfer your stuff to the >>>>'plane camping' area and pitch your tent near the woods. You'll have a >>>>lot of company. >>>>Linn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Thanks, and do not archive. >>>>> >>>>>-Bill B RV-6A >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:34 PM PST US From: "Bob U." Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." Dave Bristol wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol > > >Sorry Sam, but the alternator not only has to charge the battery, it also has to supply power for everything in the airplane. The electrical equipment in the airplane runs off the alternator not the battery. > >The battery is used only for starting and backup for the alternator. > > >Dave > =========================================== Not exacty. AFAIK -- 1.An alternator will not excite without a battery. 2. If you remove the battery as a load for the alternator, the voltage can soar to well over 100 volts unless there is circuitry to prevent it.. Bob ========================================= >Sam Buchanan wrote: > > > >>There are scores of alternators that can >>be used on our planes (after all, they only have to charge the battery), >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:27 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: Re: RV-List: WTB: RV-6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" http://www.dfwrepo.com/html/rv-6.html Here's a link to one for sale. Also Trade-a-plane.com has this one and another one listed. Email pbooth@bellsouth.net or someone here might have a link to his web site, a beautiful plane. Karie Daniel RV-7A Sammamish, WA Why don't ya just build one though? Where's the fun in just buying one? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Balch" Subject: RV-List: WTB: RV-6 > --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch > > Nice, clean, low-time RV-6. 160hp or 180hp. Engine either factory new > when plane was built, or overhauled to new limits by established shop. > Sensenich metal prop or Hartzell c/s. Slider canopy. Brakes on both > sides. VFR with gyros. > > Please email me directly with specs & pictures. > > Regards, > Ken Balch > RV-8 N118KB > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:16 PM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" You should have no problems - We didn't last year Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A p.s. Had a great time camping !! >From: SportAV8R@aol.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping >Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 12:37:14 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > >Went to the SNF web site; now more confused than before... they make it >sound like Convention Camping is not overnight?! And what's the deal with >a ban on backpacks and coolers? I was there in 1995 (went by car) and I >know good and well there were coolers in abundance in the campground and I >wore a backpack to carry all the stuff from the fly-mart and the >exhibitors' brochures. Is this a policy to enhance on site food and >beverage sales? Will all you airplane campers be limiting yourselves to >dehydrated foods that need no cooling? > >Please tell me it ain't so. Any idea of what to expect if I fly into KLAL >with my airplane camping gear would be very much appreciated. > >Thanks, and do not archive. > >-Bill B RV-6A > > ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:51 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" It works regardless of rotation so there is no need to remove. Might not be as efficient but at 6000 rpm it doesn't make any difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com > > Sure but I'm pretty sure it will be backwards as that's been written here > before. The fan is press fit however and a decent gear puller should be able to > get rid of it. > > ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:52 PM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Info --> RV-List message posted by: Dj Merrill EricHe@FlexSolPackaging.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Hi all, don't know if this is general knowledge, but I thought this response was good enough to share with the list. I finally bit the bullet and ordered my Dynon and associated toys. Tony and Monte have been really great to deal with. Would like to throw out a big thanks to Dynon just for making a good pitot tube for a reasonable price. Every little victory adds up. Hi all, Just as an fyi, I sent e-mail to Dynon, and received a reply that they will be at Sun-n-Fun with a display booth, C-23. They also indicated that the OAT option should be available in a couple of weeks. Don't know if they will have a "show special" price, but one can hope... :-) -Dj ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:14 PM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Sun N Fun camping --> RV-List message posted by: Dj Merrill SportAV8R@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > And what's the deal with a ban on backpacks and coolers? No backpacks? Are they nuts? Are they banning purses? If not, I guess I will have a very big purse that I can conveniently carry on my back... Or maybe it s baby carrier - yeah, that's it! A carrier for all the things I am buying for my "baby".. *wink* Seriously, how do these people expect us to carry all our junk without a backpack? -Dj ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:16 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Bob U. wrote: >>he battery is used only for starting and backup for the alternator. >> >> >>Dave >> >> >> >=========================================== > >Not exacty. > >AFAIK -- >1.An alternator will not excite without a battery. > True >2. If you remove the battery as a load for the alternator, the voltage >can soar to well over 100 volts unless there is circuitry to prevent it.. > Well, that's what the regulator is there for. If the alternator is excited (I love that word!) and then the battery is removed, the regulator should keep the voltage level constant ..... provided that the field is still getting regulated voltage from the alternator output. As long as the regulator stays intact, the system should function normally. Linn >Bob > ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:36 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:Van's Alternator --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Dave: I think you'll find the electrical system draws power from the battery and alternator. They are both connected to the power buss, and if the load exceeds the output of the alternator,then power comes from the battery. My alternator has no name on it anywhere. I was told it is Nipondenso,from a Toyota. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:14 PM PST US From: "Wayne R. Couture" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" Let's not forget that the battery acts like a large capacitor and helps to smooth out any spikes or voltage fluctuations in the system. Wayne Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "linn walters" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys > --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > > Bob U. wrote: > > >>he battery is used only for starting and backup for the alternator. > >> > >> > >>Dave > >> > >> > >> > >=========================================== > > > >Not exacty. > > > >AFAIK -- > >1.An alternator will not excite without a battery. > > > True > > >2. If you remove the battery as a load for the alternator, the voltage > >can soar to well over 100 volts unless there is circuitry to prevent it.. > > > Well, that's what the regulator is there for. If the alternator is > excited (I love that word!) and then the battery is removed, the > regulator should keep the voltage level constant ..... provided that the > field is still getting regulated voltage from the alternator output. As > long as the regulator stays intact, the system should function normally. > Linn > > >Bob > > > > ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:48 PM PST US From: "Dave Ford" Subject: RV-List: flap motor failure --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" I have just 30 hours on my RV6 and had a flap motor failure today, could not extend flaps, landed & got to the flap motor, gave it a rap while holding switch and flaps extended. I know others have had failures according to archives but this should not be happening. Has Van's been known to be exchanging or upgrading these kit motors of 3-4 years old? I have cleaned the contacts, but how long will that last? Dave Ford RV6 ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:57 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) DNA: not not archive Subject: RV-List: [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics... --> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Dear Listers, First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings about Internet viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. I don't want to start a storm of discussion regarding computer viruses on the Lists, so please just note the information below and refrain from commenting to the List. The circumstances I describe below are disturbing enough that I felt an explanation is necessary. That being said... There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such things as: "your email account is disabled because of unauthorized access" "Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail content) outgoing from your e-mail account" "Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions." "Our main mailing server will be temporary unavailable for next two days, to continue receiving mail in these days you have to configure our free auto-forwarding service." All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to click upon to "Get more information", "clean the virus from your system", or "check your system for infections". These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and propagate even more copies of the original message. The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming from very legitimate addresses and have very legitimate, convincing dialog. For example, I have received a number of them today that appear to be from "support@matronics.com", "management@matronics.com", "administration@matronics.com", and "staff@matronics.com". The text of the messages seems believable enough, and given the forged source address, seem even more legitimate. Please be assured that no one at Matronics.com will be sending you these kinds of messages. If you receive one, it is a spam/virus that has forged headers and was sent to you from someone other than Matronics. Delete the message and the attachment promptly. Invest in a copy of Norton Antivirus and keep the definitions up dated on a daily basis. Again, I want to stress that I *DO NOT* want a big discussion of viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. Please do not reply to this email with any comments. You may write to me directly at dralle@matronics.com if you wish, but do not include the List. Since many of these appear to come from matronics.com, I wanted to assure everyone that Matronics wasn't the real source of these messages. Let's be careful out there and keep those virus definitions up to date! Today alone, the Matronics spam filter and virus blocking appliance has filtered out 11,550 spam messages and 375 viruses! That's just in an 18 hour period! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:47 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" I am fairly sure without the "ballast" of the battery, your regulator will quickly give up the ghost. I know the battery filters out the ripple of the current and many electrical noises within the system. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "linn walters" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys > --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > > Bob U. wrote: > > >>he battery is used only for starting and backup for the alternator. > >> > >> > >>Dave > >> > >> > >> > >=========================================== > > > >Not exacty. > > > >AFAIK -- > >1.An alternator will not excite without a battery. > > > True > > >2. If you remove the battery as a load for the alternator, the voltage > >can soar to well over 100 volts unless there is circuitry to prevent it.. > > > Well, that's what the regulator is there for. If the alternator is > excited (I love that word!) and then the battery is removed, the > regulator should keep the voltage level constant ..... provided that the > field is still getting regulated voltage from the alternator output. As > long as the regulator stays intact, the system should function normally. > Linn > > >Bob > > > > ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:34 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: flap motor failure --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hi Dave, Welcome to our little club! It's called the: "sometimes the flaps work, and sometimes they don't club". Yes, Van's is well aware of it, but good luck getting a new motor from them. Mine had only 35 hours on it, I asked nicely for a new one, the begged, then pleaded, then bitched, and as a reward I just shelled out $285.00 for a new one from Van's a couple months ago! That was after cleaning the contacts about every 40 hours, until the last time when I was just plain pissed at having to do it again and payed for a new one. BTW, if anyone is interested in a crappy used flap motor that quits working every 35-40 hours like clockwork, I have one for sale REAL cheap that is just sitting on the shelf!! Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Ford Subject: RV-List: flap motor failure --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" I have just 30 hours on my RV6 and had a flap motor failure today, could not extend flaps, landed & got to the flap motor, gave it a rap while holding switch and flaps extended. I know others have had failures according to archives but this should not be happening. Has Van's been known to be exchanging or upgrading these kit motors of 3-4 years old? I have cleaned the contacts, but how long will that last? Dave Ford RV6 ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:17 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Mounting Instruments --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 3/3/2004 6:56:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, lwalters2@cfl.rr.com writes: Typically the instruments are mounted with black anodized brass screws. Linn meant black oxided brass screws. Brass can't be anodized. GV (RV-6A N1GV flying 675 hrs) ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:17 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Mounting Instruments --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 3/3/2004 6:13:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, tacaruth@ralcorp.com writes: I am mounting my flight instruments in the control panel. What type of screws are the best to use? Do I need to use brass or stainless? I would recommend the corrosion resistant steel (stainless) just because I think they look better longer. Most of the commonly available ANSI variety industrial fasteners are 300 series (nonmagnetic). GV (RV-6A N1GV flying 682 hrs) ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:42 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Info --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Speaking of show specials - is this pretty common? I've got a lot of stuff to buy, and I can wait until SNF. Do people usually require cash or can you "buy" and then have them ship and pay for it later? Thanks, Mickey >Don't know if they will have a "show special" price, but one >can hope... :-) -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:40 PM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: RV-List: MT Propeller Group Buy for Lycoming 320 --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Hi All, MTV-17-C/178-59 electric CS propeller for Lycoming O-320 engine. The is a 70" diameter 2 blade propeller including spinner and electric governor. Delivered assembled to your door in the USA. I need 16 orders to get an assembled in Southern California price of $7,100 as a group buy. I have 7 now. Approximate extra cost of $150 to deliver to your door in the USA. (Across USA.) If I don't get 16 orders, the price would be $7,600 assembled in Southern California. Approximate extra cost of $150 to deliver to your door in the USA. (Across USA.) The hydraulic 70" diameter 2 blade MT propeller can be included in this order. MTV-11-C/178-59 hydraulic CS propeller including spinner. $6,700 assembled in Southern California. Approximate extra cost of $150 to deliver to your door in the USA. (Across USA.) As part of a 16 person group buy, $6,250 assembled in Southern California. Approximate extra cost of $150 to deliver to your door in the USA. (Across USA.) Contact me at jim@lessdrag.com if you are interested in this group buy. Jim Ayers OEM Distributor for MT Propeller ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:20 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Stewart ...Chill out, dude! I've seen people get exited over a good deal,....... But Geees! {[8-) ! 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