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1. 02:10 AM - Re: Wood props and IFR (Jim Nolan)
2. 03:31 AM - Re: Carbon panel (Dana Overall)
3. 04:19 AM - Re: Exhaust Bracket Failure (RVer273sb@aol.com)
4. 05:37 AM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
5. 06:24 AM - non-U.S. parts suppliers (Brian Kraut)
6. 07:25 AM - transducer manifold (Roger Crandell)
7. 08:12 AM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Larry Bowen)
8. 10:46 AM - Re: transducer manifold (Jerry Springer)
9. 11:07 AM - Re: Carbon panel (Evan and Megan Johnson)
10. 11:31 AM - Re: wood props and IFR (Michel)
11. 04:28 PM - -7 wing leading edge 'glitch' ? (Charlie England)
12. 04:37 PM - Re: -7 wing leading edge 'glitch' ? (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
13. 05:48 PM - >Re:wood props and IFR (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
14. 06:27 PM - Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] Apple Valley Today, Chino Sunday (JOHN STARN)
15. 08:27 PM - Re: Exhaust Bracket Failure (Vanremog@aol.com)
16. 09:09 PM - Re: Fiber post lights; was non-U.S. parts suppliers (Randy Richter)
17. 10:34 PM - Re: -7 wing leading edge 'glitch' ? (Youne Hippoman)
18. 11:11 PM - Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
19. 11:31 PM - Re: Re: Fiber post lights; was non-U.S. parts (kempthornes)
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| Subject: | Re: Wood props and IFR |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" <jamespnolan@earthlink.net>
Dj,
I flew IFR with a wood prop the first two years I had my ticket. To
make a long story short, I had to refinish my prop three times in two years.
The fact that I slowed the engine to less than 2000 rpm in rain probably
saved me from refinishing it more often. I finally broke down and bought a
Sensenich metal prop. I've been happy with it so far and the peace of mind
you get is priceless.
I once informed Indy ATC that I had to slow down because I had a wood
prop and I was in heavy rain. The woman responded with " Do you want to
declare an emergency"
Jim Nolan
N444JN
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
> Mold the holes instead of cutting them.
>
> Arrange plastic disks on the flat mold plate where you wanted the
>round instruments to go. You would machine the disks to provide the exact
>recess (or hole edge) that you wanted. You could also place rectangles for
>square instruments. Secure the disks so they don't shift during the lay-up.
>Wax and smooth the joint between the plate and the each disk so epoxy won't
>get under them.
>
> You bag the front layers (with a peel ply) over this negative
>mold. Once the first lay-up has cured, pull the peel ply, add the spacer
>and back lay-up, then bag again.
Just trim off the flange flash from the back
>with a cut-off wheel. The small flange around each hole will make the panel
>much stronger and durable. Recessed holes and cut-outs would look super
>slick and would also increase the strength of the panel.
>
Whoa Bill you've gone much, much deeper than Steve or I envisioned here.
You had fun typing that post didn't ya:-) No discredit intended, that was
some impressive thinking.
While we both thought of a process along these lines we dismissed it as far
too complicated for what we have in mind, with "what we have in mind" as the
emphasis. Great ideas but a little too much for what we want. All we want
is a nice custom panel with extended center console for controls and wrap
around left and right bottom corners to fully encase the air vent of choice.
Plus, we want to be able to do it in a weekend:-)
We'll have something in a couple weeks, I'm sure. The cost to look factor
is going to be impressive.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Bracket Failure |
--> RV-List message posted by: RVer273sb@aol.com
Listers,
My RV4 has 954 hrs on the hanging system with
no problems. It is the older set up using hose and
alum flat bar stock. It attaches to the 4 pipe tubes
(2 each side) and the outboard corner bolts of the sump.
I do have a wood prop and balance ring installed.
Perhaps the failures are prop vibration issues
Stewart RV4 Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Mike,
What is the part number of your Susuki 60 amp alternator? Or can you tell
where and what to ask for?
Dan
RV-7A (almost done)
In a message dated 3/6/04 2:20:11 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mstewart@iss.net writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <
> mstewart@iss.net>
>
> I got one of the bosch ones cross referenced to the 14xxx number. 22$.
> It worked for about the same 250 hours as the Vans one did. It was not
> until I got the Susuki 60 amp internally regulated, lighter, more amp
> unit, that I stopped toasting them. My Suzuki unit has lasted about 600
> hours without toasting. I believe I read somewhere in the aeroeletric
> site why the Suzuki unit was far superior. Double fan, rated for the
> high rpm's it turns and so forth. It is a $130ish unit. But the lifetime
> warrantee, and lack of headache factor, combined with the increased amps
> which I needed running an all electric plane with no mags, made this
> alternator a much better choice fo me.
>
> Mike
>
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| Subject: | non-U.S. parts suppliers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
I am trying to find some distributors for my instrument lights in other countries.
Since there are a lot of builders on the list in places other than the U.S.
could you please tell me where you buy your parts and instruments. Please
reply directly to me at brian.kraut@engalt.com, not to the list. Thanks.
Brian Kraut
www.engalt.com/aviation.htm
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| Subject: | transducer manifold |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Crandell" <rwc000@hotmail.com>
Can anyone recommend a two port (two transducer) manifold. Van's sells a
three port unit, but I only need two. I can cut off one port on the Van's
unit, but would rather not do that.
Thanks
Roger Crandell
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| Subject: | Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Is everyone running a blast tube to the alternator? If not, maybe
that's why they fail relatively soon....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) [mailto:mstewart@iss.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:16 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> --> <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> I got one of the bosch ones cross referenced to the 14xxx
> number. 22$. It worked for about the same 250 hours as the
> Vans one did. It was not until I got the Susuki 60 amp
> internally regulated, lighter, more amp unit, that I stopped
> toasting them. My Suzuki unit has lasted about 600 hours
> without toasting. I believe I read somewhere in the
> aeroeletric site why the Suzuki unit was far superior. Double
> fan, rated for the high rpm's it turns and so forth. It is a
> $130ish unit. But the lifetime warrantee, and lack of
> headache factor, combined with the increased amps which I
> needed running an all electric plane with no mags, made this
> alternator a much better choice fo me.
>
> Mike
> do not archive.
> Oh and ps, sorry for the jiberish earlier in the week.
> Outlook web access and the rv-list do not get along.
>
>
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> Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: transducer manifold |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Roger Crandell wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Crandell" <rwc000@hotmail.com>
>
>Can anyone recommend a two port (two transducer) manifold. Van's sells a
>three port unit, but I only need two. I can cut off one port on the Van's
>unit, but would rather not do that.
>
>Thanks
>
>Roger Crandell
>
>
>
>
Put a plug in the hole you don't use
do not archive
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I bet I could get flat sheets laser cut....never tried carbon fiber but the
laser cuts metals, plywood and plastics with no problems. I just had an RV6
(aluminum stock one)panel cut for a friend of mine and it turned out awsome.
I got to do the whole layout on Autocad and then watch the laser cut it
perfectly....the cut is just a few thousands thick.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Carbon panel
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
>
> >
> >Dana and I are still in the development stage on the carbon fiber panel
> >so the jury is still out - but we have a pretty good idea of where we
> >are going to end up. We are more interrested in having the look of a
> >carbon fiber panel than we are in the structural and/or weight
> >advantages we might gain from the composites. We decided early on that
> >Kevlar probably wasn't going to be in the final solution. More because
> >it is simply a pain to work with than anything else. I just don't know
> >how to make all of the instrument cut outs, holes and trim the final
> >edges. Kevlar is so tough that it resists cutting. On an instrument
> >panel, you would have little "frizzies" where ever you had to cut
> >through it. And, you can't sand them away, they just get worse the more
> >you try to sand them.
>
> This is a fact. You would have to plan the panel so that no cut
> edges would show.
>
>
> >I do like the idea of using the Rutan sandwich construction techniques
> >to strengthen the panel. We will probably do that around the radio
> >stack but not anywhere else. The main reason is, we are going to use
> >this panel on three RV-7's that are under construction. As is usually
> >the case, no two panels are alike. Making all of the panels the same,
> >without the internal core material, we can make instrument cutouts where
> >ever we want.
>
> Mold the holes instead of cutting them.
>
> Arrange plastic disks on the flat mold plate where you wanted the
> round instruments to go. You would machine the disks to provide the exact
> recess (or hole edge) that you wanted. You could also place rectangles for
> square instruments. Secure the disks so they don't shift during the
lay-up.
> Wax and smooth the joint between the plate and the each disk so epoxy
won't
> get under them.
>
> You bag the front layers (with a peel ply) over this negative
> mold. Once the first lay-up has cured, pull the peel ply, add the spacer
> and back lay-up, then bag again. (It might be possible to do it all in one
> step, once you got the process down, but it could be difficult to get the
> front layer to come out perfectly.)
>
> When you pull the part, you have a perfect recessed hole (or
plain
> hole) for each instrument. Just trim off the flange flash from the back
> with a cut-off wheel. The small flange around each hole will make the
panel
> much stronger and durable. Recessed holes and cut-outs would look super
> slick and would also increase the strength of the panel.
>
>
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| Subject: | wood props and IFR |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michel" <rv8ter@rogers.com>
Rain will do a good number on the finish,wood and fiberglass leading edge
even. I've had pretty good success using the 3M wing leading edge tape on
the prop leading edge.
Michel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Subject: RV-List: wood props and IFR
--> RV-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Hi all,
I'm looking for some advice from more experienced pilots than I.
I have a Ted Hendrickson wooden prop on my plane, and I'd like to start
training for my instrument rating.
I've read that wood props don't like the
rain, and get beat up pretty badly.
Basically, I'm wondering is a little rain
going to really trash the prop, or
would it take hours and hours of rain flying
to cause damage? The prop has about
1050 hours on it, but was freshly refurbished
by Sensenich about 50 hours ago, nice
fresh clear coat, looks beautiful.
Thanks,
-Dj
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"rv7-list@matronics.com" <rv7-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | -7 wing leading edge 'glitch' ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <cengland@netdoor.com>
-7/-8 builders,
Has anyone noticed a slight dip about an inch above & below (back of the
actual apex) the rolled leading edge of their tank skins & leading edge
skins?
While handling one of my cleco'd tanks, I felt the dip, & thought I had
somehow dented the leading edge. On further inspection, the 'dips' are
slight valleys running the entire length of the LE & are identical on
all 4 skins. On the top side, it's about where the 2nd rivet will be in
each rib. It seems unlikely that it's due to the ribs, because there is
no difference in the valley mid way between ribs.
I might be good at messing stuff up, but I ain't THAT good.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: -7 wing leading edge 'glitch' ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Charlie,
Yeah, its there. I had never noticed it before. Do you mean like it was
rolled a little too far at the leading edge? Don't fix it or mine will look bad.
Dan RV-7A (almost done)
In a message dated 3/6/04 7:29:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
cengland@netdoor.com writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <cengland@netdoor.com>
>
> -7/-8 builders,
>
> Has anyone noticed a slight dip about an inch above &below (back of the
> actual apex) the rolled leading edge of their tank skins &leading edge
> skins?
>
> While handling one of my cleco'd tanks, I felt the dip, &thought I had
> somehow dented the leading edge. On further inspection, the 'dips' are
> slight valleys running the entire length of the LE &are identical on
> all 4 skins. On the top side, it's about where the 2nd rivet will be in
> each rib. It seems unlikely that it's due to the ribs, because there is
> no difference in the valley mid way between ribs.
>
> I might be good at messing stuff up, but I ain't THAT good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:wood props and IFR |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Rain will definitely ruin a wood prop. On one of our first flights in our
RV-4 ,we were flying with another RV-4. I had the urethane leading edge and the
other had just clear tape. After 3 1/2 hours @ 1800 RPM I had only minor
chipping on the paint edges at the tip ; the other had about 1/4" of the wood chewed
off the leading edge ! One trashed prop.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>, "Roger Graham" <tm305@aol.com>,
"Paul Ray" <paul.ray1@verizon.net>, "Allen Mecum" <mecum@pacbell.net>
| Subject: | Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] Apple Valley Today, Chino Sunday |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
The official count was 26 RV's with one HRII flown in. We at EAA 768 also had
three Young Eagle flights, made room for the Short Wing Piper club, 7 fly-in's
for them. Several other production types mixed with the Arco guys and the
"usual APV suspects". We were missing only an RV-3, HR-1, F-1 and an HRIII to
have had a complete set of ALL the RV types. We refer to 561FS as an RV-4 on steroids.
If you missed out on the feed and the talk, TOUGH TOE NAILS. We had a
great time and will hold another "informal" RV fly-in feed for all those that
missed out this time.
Friday was also a good day at APV. Got 561FS's test flights completed on the
new engine and the "quad" prop. When was the last time you saw 5 Howards and
a Ryan land at your airport during the week. Apple Valley Airport is just a
great place to spend flying or hanger time.
If anyone who attended didn't get enough to eat, that was your fault. Ron Caraway
cooked up just about everything we had but it was good to the last bite.
Thanks to all for the great examples of RV's and the hanger "flying".
Ya'll com back y'ear KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul (Rosie) Rosales
To: SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:44 PM
Subject: [SoCAL-RVlist] Apple Valley Today, Chino Sunday
We had a GREAT turnout of RVs today at Gummo's EAA Mexican outdoor
barbeque at Apple Valley (APV) with, I'm told, 25 RVs plus one Rocket
in attendance! Weather was awesome; nice and comfortable, with NO
WIND, a rarity out this way ;-) It was fun Tom!
The flyout for tomorrow (Sunday) to Chino is being finalized, and I
will post more a bit later tonight. Thanks to all the RVs for
joining us to Apple Valley (and a few more to Agua Dulce
afterwards)!!! Rosie
a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCAL-RVlist/
b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
SoCAL-RVlist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Bracket Failure |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 3/5/2004 11:23:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mstewart@iss.net writes:
Has anyone worked out an exhaust hanging system that is reliable over
the long term?
Absolutely
GV (RV-6A N1GV flying 682 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: Fiber post lights; was non-U.S. parts suppliers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Richter <richterrbb@earthlink.net>
Brian,
I would be interested in this light, but I think the presentation on
your website and in your brochure would be much more compelling if you
had a picture that actually demonstrated the illumination created by the
light instead of illumination OF the light by a flash bulb.
How well does its light cover the instrument? How bright is the
illumination? What actually is the cost?
Randy
Brian Kraut wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
>I am trying to find some distributors for my instrument lights in other countries.
Since there are a lot of builders on the list in places other than the U.S.
could you please tell me where you buy your parts and instruments. Please
reply directly to me at brian.kraut@engalt.com, not to the list. Thanks.
>
>Brian Kraut
>www.engalt.com/aviation.htm
>
>
>
>
--
Randy Richter
richterrbb@earthlink.net
-7QB Kit in hibernation
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| Subject: | -7 wing leading edge 'glitch' ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Youne Hippoman" <youne.hippoman@sympatico.ca>
Yes. I have dips above and below, on both leading edges and both fuel tanks
skins. This is normal and has nothing to do with the ribs. It happens
because the apex part of the skin is a permanent curve (machine formed) in
the aluminium structure whereas the aft top and bottom curves are temporary
(i.e. if you remove the clecoes, the skin opens back to a 90 degree angle).
When the skin is left open, there is absolutely no dip at all. But, when we
force the skin to fold, a bulge is formed where the permanent and the
temporary curves meet. Blame it on molecular structure memory, not Van's!!!
In theory, if we keep on forcing the skin to fold (don't do that, it may
create permanent damage to the skin), we will reach a point where the dip
will disappear. But, the plane won't fly with such a wing profile!!! I
would rather keep the bulge and fly the plane.
You will also notice the same dip in the rudder skin, but it's harder to
detect because it is less deep. You may need a couple of drinks with the
lights turned off in order to feel the dip in the rudder skin.
Youne Hippoman
Montreal, Qc, Canada
(RV-7A Center Fuselage)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England
Subject: RV-List: -7 wing leading edge 'glitch' ?
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <cengland@netdoor.com>
-7/-8 builders,
Has anyone noticed a slight dip about an inch above & below (back of the
actual apex) the rolled leading edge of their tank skins & leading edge
skins?
While handling one of my cleco'd tanks, I felt the dip, & thought I had
somehow dented the leading edge. On further inspection, the 'dips' are
slight valleys running the entire length of the LE & are identical on
all 4 skins. On the top side, it's about where the 2nd rivet will be in
each rib. It seems unlikely that it's due to the ribs, because there is
no difference in the valley mid way between ribs.
I might be good at messing stuff up, but I ain't THAT good.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Dan,
Its off a 1989 Suzuki Samurai.
You will find many references to it in the archives.
You will need to modify the existing vans bracket but it is no big deal.
Mike
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Hopperdhh@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's alternator - $18 at Pep boys
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Mike,
What is the part number of your Susuki 60 amp alternator? Or can you
tell
where and what to ask for?
Dan
RV-7A (almost done)
In a message dated 3/6/04 2:20:11 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mstewart@iss.net writes:
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <
> mstewart@iss.net>
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> I got one of the bosch ones cross referenced to the 14xxx number. 22$.
> It worked for about the same 250 hours as the Vans one did. It was not
> until I got the Susuki 60 amp internally regulated, lighter, more amp
> unit, that I stopped toasting them. My Suzuki unit has lasted about
600
> hours without toasting. I believe I read somewhere in the aeroeletric
> site why the Suzuki unit was far superior. Double fan, rated for the
> high rpm's it turns and so forth. It is a $130ish unit. But the
lifetime
> warrantee, and lack of headache factor, combined with the increased
amps
> which I needed running an all electric plane with no mags, made this
> alternator a much better choice fo me.
>
> Mike
>
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Post lights were hot stuff FORTY years ago.
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