---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/07/04: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:49 AM - Re: Re: Fiber post lights; was non-U.S. parts suppliers (MMcs139808@aol.com) 2. 04:07 AM - Re: Re: Fiber post lights; was non-U.S. parts suppliers (Dana Overall) 3. 04:57 AM - TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (N6JX) 4. 05:58 AM - Re: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (Darwin N. Barrie) 5. 07:06 AM - Instrument lighting with LEDs (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 6. 07:07 AM - Air Filter 0-360-A1A (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 7. 07:07 AM - Re: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (Charlie Kuss) 8. 07:26 AM - Re: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (Ken Simmons) 9. 07:40 AM - Re: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (Bobby Hester) 10. 07:57 AM - Re: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (Bobby Hester) 11. 08:00 AM - Re: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (LarryRobertHelming) 12. 08:05 AM - Re: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (Darwin N. Barrie) 13. 08:36 AM - The First Palmetto RV FlyIn Cookout (Ken Harrill) 14. 09:08 AM - Band Saws () 15. 09:42 AM - Garmin 430 Install tray for sale (N223RV@aol.com) 16. 09:49 AM - Band Saws () 17. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Fiber post lights; was non-U.S. parts suppliers (Brian Kraut) 18. 10:14 AM - Re: Band Saws (Ned Thomas) 19. 10:15 AM - Re: Band Saws (Charlie & Tupper England) 20. 10:29 AM - Light Weight Gear Leg for RV-8 (Fly2eat@aol.com) 21. 11:02 AM - Re: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (Mickey Coggins) 22. 11:38 AM - Re:Carbon Panel (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 23. 12:31 PM - 2 new building resources (Paul Eastham) 24. 12:42 PM - Re: Instrument lighting with LEDs (Robin Wessel) 25. 12:52 PM - Re: Band Saws (Curt) 26. 01:13 PM - Re: Light Weight Gear Leg for RV-8 (Mauri Morin) 27. 02:06 PM - Re: 2 new building resources (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)) 28. 02:09 PM - Re: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator (Douglas A. Fischer) 29. 02:52 PM - Re: Band Saws (Craig Warner) 30. 03:41 PM - Re: Band Saws (Jim Oke) 31. 05:17 PM - Re: Band Saws (Ned Thomas) 32. 06:03 PM - RV 4 Alternator (John Mcmahon) 33. 06:39 PM - > Re: Band Saws (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 34. 06:46 PM - Re: RV 4 Alternator (Doug Weiler) 35. 06:56 PM - intersection fairings (Dave Ford) 36. 07:17 PM - cylinder blocker (Dave Ford) 37. 07:46 PM - Re: Dynon Pitot (David Carter) 38. 08:06 PM - Re: intersection fairings (N223RV@aol.com) 39. 09:12 PM - Re: Light Weight Gear Leg for RV-8 (Tracy Crook) 40. 10:22 PM - Odessy Batteries (Darwin N. Barrie) 41. 11:13 PM - Re: Odessy Batteries (Jerry Springer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:31 AM PST US From: MMcs139808@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fiber post lights; was non-U.S. parts suppliers --> RV-List message posted by: MMcs139808@aol.com Light Aero in the UK has post lights listed in their catalog, you will find them on the web. Eugene ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:08 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Fiber post lights; was non-U.S. parts suppliers --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Gang, since I am not associated with Brian in any fashion I think it's fair game that I comment on his post lights. I knew he had these lights for sale with Spruce and Wicks but I had not seen them. He sent me a set as a door prize at last weeks fly-in. Upon opening the box I was immediately impressed with the quality of engineering and production that went into the system. The ease if install was obvious. The system is very, very flexible and I am certain will provide very nice illumination of instruments. I am, without a doubt, chucking all my other lighting thoughts, and acquisition:-), and will most certainly use his lighting system in Black Magic. To add to my thoughts, when I first saw it, live and in person, my first thought was, "he did it right". www.engalt.com/aviation.htm Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:47 AM PST US From: "N6JX" Subject: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: "N6JX" I had a chance to look at the new TruTrak unit yesterday at the Casa Grande Arizona, Cactus Antique Aircraft fly-in. They will initially have two units available, one with roll control like the Digitrak unit and a plain turn coordinator without any autopilot functions. No altitude functions on the Autopilot unit, roll control only for now. I really liked the way the units looked and the way the display moved. However, the small size (2 1/4 ) really made the turn coordinator not very satisfactory for me. This would be a great instrument if it were in a 3 inch format. Same is true for the autopilot unit, the display is just too small to use if you had to use it as a primary flight instrument. I did like the way the airplane stayed level and the horizon pivoted around the axis, this was a nice representation and would be really easy to fly from. If they bring out a bigger unit, I would probably buy one in a flash. Mel Jordan RV-6A N6JX Tucson ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:50 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" Hi Mel, I saw the unit too and was very impressed, especially the price. He told me the unit IS available in the standard size, so I ordered one. The 2.25" was for display. Very, very cool and will look perfect under my Dynon. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "N6JX" Subject: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator > --> RV-List message posted by: "N6JX" > > I had a chance to look at the new TruTrak unit yesterday at the Casa Grande > Arizona, Cactus Antique Aircraft fly-in. They will initially have two > units available, one with roll control like the Digitrak unit and a plain > turn coordinator without any autopilot functions. No altitude functions on > the Autopilot unit, roll control only for now. > > I really liked the way the units looked and the way the display moved. > However, the small size (2 1/4 ) really made the turn coordinator not very > satisfactory for me. This would be a great instrument if it were in a 3 > inch format. Same is true for the autopilot unit, the display is just too > small to use if you had to use it as a primary flight instrument. I did > like the way the airplane stayed level and the horizon pivoted around the > axis, this was a nice representation and would be really easy to fly from. > If they bring out a bigger unit, I would probably buy one in a flash. > > Mel Jordan > RV-6A N6JX > Tucson > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:29 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Instrument lighting with LEDs --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com RV Listers, I just bought some cheap LED flashlights at a hamfest (a fly mart for ham radio people) and am thinking of using them to illuminate my panel. I bought 10 of these flashlights to experiment with because they have some optics to control the light pattern that I thought might help. I want a very low cost approach. Bright LEDs are readily available now at Radio Shack and many mail order houses like Digikey. I am thinking of mounting them under the glare shield aimed at the instruments. Has anyone else done this? LED stands for light emitting diode for any who don't already know. There are some really bright LEDs available today. They are much more efficient than light bulbs which radiate a lot of energy at longer wavelengths than light. They are also more reliable. Many traffic lights and taillights on cars are now LEDs, and I have heard that LED headlights for cars are not too far off. Dan RV-7A (almost done) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:21 AM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: RV-List: Air Filter 0-360-A1A --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" List, I have run into a problem with the clearance on my FAB 360 airbox being close to rubbing the cowl air scope? The K&N Air Filter supplied is exactly 7" x 3 1/2 " O.D. I would be fine if the Air Filter was only 3 1/4" High? Has anyone else ran into this? It would appear the front my Airbox needs to angle up more to use the existing filter? Sure don't want to cut the box to increase the upward angle and re-glass? Tom in Ohio ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:46 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss What page of the new Sport Aviation is this product on? Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > >Hi Mel, > >I saw the unit too and was very impressed, especially the price. He told me >the unit IS available in the standard size, so I ordered one. The 2.25" was >for display. Very, very cool and will look perfect under my Dynon. > >Darwin N. Barrie >Chandler AZ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "N6JX" >To: >Subject: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "N6JX" >> >> I had a chance to look at the new TruTrak unit yesterday at the Casa >Grande >> Arizona, Cactus Antique Aircraft fly-in. They will initially have two >> units available, one with roll control like the Digitrak unit and a plain >> turn coordinator without any autopilot functions. No altitude functions >on >> the Autopilot unit, roll control only for now. >> >> I really liked the way the units looked and the way the display moved. >> However, the small size (2 1/4 ) really made the turn coordinator not very >> satisfactory for me. This would be a great instrument if it were in a 3 >> inch format. Same is true for the autopilot unit, the display is just too >> small to use if you had to use it as a primary flight instrument. I did >> like the way the airplane stayed level and the horizon pivoted around the >> axis, this was a nice representation and would be really easy to fly from. >> If they bring out a bigger unit, I would probably buy one in a flash. >> >> Mel Jordan >> RV-6A N6JX >> Tucson >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:55 AM PST US From: "Ken Simmons" Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" It is on page 55 of the March '04 issue. Ken ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > >What page of the new Sport Aviation is this product on? >Charlie Kuss > DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:13 AM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester Darwin N. Barrie wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > >Hi Mel, > >I saw the unit too and was very impressed, especially the price. He told me >the unit IS available in the standard size, so I ordered one. The 2.25" was >for display. Very, very cool and will look perfect under my Dynon. > >Darwin N. Barrie >Chandler AZ > > > Did you get the standard size 3 1/8" turn coordinator without the autopilot? I am interested in that. Was it the same price as the 2 1/4" $395 I will be very interested in hearing your report after you receive it. -- Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:21 AM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester Charlie Kuss wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > >What page of the new Sport Aviation is this product on? >Charlie Kuss > > > Sport Aviation, March 2004, page 55 Not on their web site yet, seem like that would be the first place to have it. -- Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:34 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Does anyone know if this is considered a trade up purchase (getting trade-in value for original purchase of the digitrak) for someone already having a digitrak and wanting to replace with the new wing leveler with TC? Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip-up TMX-O-360 ACS2002 Dynon CNS430 Digitrak Firewall Forward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > Hi Mel, > > I saw the unit too and was very impressed, especially the price. He told me > the unit IS available in the standard size, so I ordered one. The 2.25" was > for display. Very, very cool and will look perfect under my Dynon. > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N6JX" > To: > Subject: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "N6JX" > > > > I had a chance to look at the new TruTrak unit yesterday at the Casa > Grande > > Arizona, Cactus Antique Aircraft fly-in. They will initially have two > > units available, one with roll control like the Digitrak unit and a plain > > turn coordinator without any autopilot functions. No altitude functions > on > > the Autopilot unit, roll control only for now. > > > > I really liked the way the units looked and the way the display moved. > > However, the small size (2 1/4 ) really made the turn coordinator not very > > satisfactory for me. This would be a great instrument if it were in a 3 > > inch format. Same is true for the autopilot unit, the display is just too > > small to use if you had to use it as a primary flight instrument. I did > > like the way the airplane stayed level and the horizon pivoted around the > > axis, this was a nice representation and would be really easy to fly from. > > If they bring out a bigger unit, I would probably buy one in a flash. > > > > Mel Jordan > > RV-6A N6JX > > Tucson > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:30 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" Yes, according to Richard Martin who was representing TruTrak the turn coordinator alone is available in the 3 1/8" version. They only had the 2.25" for display. It is very cool. It looks like much like a standard Artificial Horizon with out the pitch component. Standard looking slip/skid ball. The unit is electric and spools up immediately. The display unit had an internal battery so people could test it out. The bank indicator is very sensitive. Just from the 10 minutes I played with it I believe it is the perfect addition to the Dynon or other EFIS. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Hester" Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator > --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester > > Darwin N. Barrie wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > > >Hi Mel, > > > >I saw the unit too and was very impressed, especially the price. He told me > >the unit IS available in the standard size, so I ordered one. The 2.25" was > >for display. Very, very cool and will look perfect under my Dynon. > > > >Darwin N. Barrie > >Chandler AZ > > > > > > > Did you get the standard size 3 1/8" turn coordinator without the > autopilot? I am interested in that. Was it the same price as the 2 1/4" > $395 I will be very interested in hearing your report after you receive it. > > -- > Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY > Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ > RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-) > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:13 AM PST US From: Ken Harrill Subject: RV-List: The First Palmetto RV FlyIn Cookout --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Harrill The Palmetto Wing of Van's Air Force Invites any and all RV pilots/flyers/builders/etc. to the FIRST PALMETTO RV FLYIN COOKOUT Saturday, March 20th Columbia Downtown Owens Field Airport Columbia, SC Palmetto Burgers and Carolina Dogs Grills will be fired up at 11:00 AM No Program No Vendors No Speeches No Organization No Charge (Donations Accepted) Just good food, RV's, and friendly conversation. www.airnav.com/airport/KCUB Note right traffic for runway 13 Taxi toward the east end of the field (toward Rwy 31) and look for the crowd. If you plan to come email Ken.Harrill@Columbia.SC so we can buy enough food. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:01 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Band Saws --> RV-List message posted by: I am looking for a band saw and I found this one at Harbor Freight. After going thru the archives, it sounds like just about any band saw will work. Anyone have experience with Central Machinery brand? Is the following a good deal? Thanks, Steve Precision three-wheeled design cuts material up to 12'' wide and makes bevel cuts from 0 to 60 Electronic variable speed switch controls the speed of the blade from 0 to 2645 feet per minute. Three ball bearing blade guide system eliminates the blade from slipping. Includes miter gauge, trunion assembly, hex wrenches, and extra set of carbon brushes. Blade sold separately. Motor: 115V, 3.5 amps, single phase Table: slotted cast aluminum: 13-1/2'' x 13-1/2'' Work capacity: 12'' x 4-1/8'' high Requires 62'' blade Overall dimensions: 24-7/8''L x 13-1/2''W x 22-3/4''H Tool weight: 30 lbs. ITEM 40981-5VGA $109.99 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:27 AM PST US From: N223RV@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Garmin 430 Install tray for sale rv-list@matronics.com, vansairforce@yahoogroups.com --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com I have a brand new Garmin 430 install tray for sale. It includes the tray, back plate with BNC connectors, all the pins, connectors, etc. All brand new, never been touched. I think they sell for around $180, I'll sell it for $150 or best offer. Please e-mail offline. Thanks Do Not Archive -Mike Kraus N223RV RV-4 Flying N213RV RV-10 Empennage ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:13 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Band Saws --> RV-List message posted by: I am looking for a band saw and I found this one at Harbor Freight. After going thru the archives, it sounds like just about any band saw will work. Anyone have experience with Central Machinery brand? Is the following a good deal? Thanks, Steve Precision three-wheeled design cuts material up to 12'' wide and makes bevel cuts from 0 to 60 Electronic variable speed switch controls the speed of the blade from 0 to 2645 feet per minute. Three ball bearing blade guide system eliminates the blade from slipping. Includes miter gauge, trunion assembly, hex wrenches, and extra set of carbon brushes. Blade sold separately. Motor: 115V, 3.5 amps, single phase Table: slotted cast aluminum: 13-1/2'' x 13-1/2'' Work capacity: 12'' x 4-1/8'' high Requires 62'' blade Overall dimensions: 24-7/8''L x 13-1/2''W x 22-3/4''H Tool weight: 30 lbs. ITEM 40981-5VGA $109.99 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:10 AM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fiber post lights; was non-U.S. parts suppliers --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" Thanks. I will check them out. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: MMcs139808@aol.com >--> RV-List message posted by: MMcs139808@aol.com > >Light Aero in the UK has post lights listed in their catalog, you will find >them on the web. > >Eugene > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:40 AM PST US From: "Ned Thomas" <315@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws --> RV-List message posted by: "Ned Thomas" <315@cox.net> Hi Steve, I bought that saw when it was on sale last month for $99. I took it back for a refund. It was an alright saw but is primariuly for cutting wood. I took it back because the guide wheels are NOT adjustable. Harbor Freight has no metal cuting saw blades for it. I did order a 50' 24 tPI blade and had some welded to fit (62") but when I tried to install them they were too thick. That is when I found that the guide wheels would not adjust. Hope this helps, Ned ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Band Saws > --> RV-List message posted by: > > I am looking for a band saw and I found this one at Harbor Freight. After going thru the archives, it sounds like just about any band saw will work. Anyone have experience with Central Machinery brand? Is the following a good deal? > > Thanks, > Steve > > Precision three-wheeled design cuts material up to 12'' wide and makes bevel cuts from 0 to 60 Electronic variable speed switch controls the speed of the blade from 0 to 2645 feet per minute. Three ball bearing blade guide system eliminates the blade from slipping. Includes miter gauge, trunion assembly, hex wrenches, and extra set of carbon brushes. Blade sold separately. > Motor: 115V, 3.5 amps, single phase > Table: slotted cast aluminum: 13-1/2'' x 13-1/2'' > Work capacity: 12'' x 4-1/8'' high > Requires 62'' blade > Overall dimensions: 24-7/8''L x 13-1/2''W x 22-3/4''H > Tool weight: 30 lbs. > ITEM 40981-5VGA > $109.99 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:33 AM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England nyman@bellsouth.net wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: > >I am looking for a band saw and I found this one at Harbor Freight. After going thru the archives, it sounds like just about any band saw will work. Anyone have experience with Central Machinery brand? Is the following a good deal? > >Thanks, >Steve > If you want mine (bought about 13 years ago & never made a cut without the blade coming off), you can have it if you will come & get it. Charlie Slobovia Outernational Airport, Jackson MS > >Precision three-wheeled design cuts material up to 12'' wide and makes bevel cuts from 0 to 60 Electronic variable speed switch controls the speed of the blade from 0 to 2645 feet per minute. Three ball bearing blade guide system eliminates the blade from slipping. Includes miter gauge, trunion assembly, hex wrenches, and extra set of carbon brushes. Blade sold separately. >Motor: 115V, 3.5 amps, single phase >Table: slotted cast aluminum: 13-1/2'' x 13-1/2'' >Work capacity: 12'' x 4-1/8'' high >Requires 62'' blade >Overall dimensions: 24-7/8''L x 13-1/2''W x 22-3/4''H >Tool weight: 30 lbs. >ITEM 40981-5VGA >$109.99 > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:22 AM PST US From: Fly2eat@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Light Weight Gear Leg for RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: Fly2eat@aol.com Any one know of a source for lighter weight gear legs for the RV-8. I have seen them mentioned in the past, even with brake lines enclosed. L.D. Jeffries. RV-8QB ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:40 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins >Not on their web site yet, seem like that would be the first place to >have it. "Huh? Internet? What's that?" Oh well. I guess I have to wait until the magazine gets here. It's a shame - these computers get you used to instant gratification. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:36 AM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:Carbon Panel --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Evan... I know laminated carbon is pretty easy to cut or drill. I wonder about cutting with a laser though. As an experiment I held a propane torch to a piece of carbon which glowed red hot, but when cool, seemed to have not changed a bit, wouldn't break easily at all. Then took some laminated carbon did the same, epoxy caught fire, burned out, carbon still intact. Interesting stuff, so I wonder what temp will cut it? Just noodling here, do not archive. Jerry Cochran --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" I bet I could get flat sheets laser cut....never tried carbon fiber but the laser cuts metals, plywood and plastics with no problems. I just had an RV6 (aluminum stock one)panel cut for a friend of mine and it turned out awsome. I got to do the whole layout on Autocad and then watch the laser cut it perfectly....the cut is just a few thousands thick. Evan ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:28 PM PST US From: Paul Eastham Subject: RV-List: 2 new building resources --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Eastham Tired of riveting on parts that you later learn to be defective? Yep, there it is, right in the archives, other people have gotten the bad part too. Van's even knows about it, but for some reason they didn't tell the rest of us... Found errors in the documentation? Sure, we all have. You probably realized the problem before you hurt your airplane, but what about the next guy? Reduce the amount of suffering in the RV community. Register any parts defects and construction manual errors you find, so new builders can go and make notes *before* they repeat history: http://hmb.dyndns.org/~eastham/rv/defect.html (parts defects) http://hmb.dyndns.org/~eastham/rv/manual.html (construction manual errata) Please invest a moment to help us newbies! :) Regards, Paul RV-9A wings http://hmb.dyndns.org/~eastham/rv ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:56 PM PST US From: "Robin Wessel" Subject: RV-List: re: Instrument lighting with LEDs --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" Check our HYPERLINK "http://www.lumileds.com"www.lumileds.com for their line of Luxeon Star LED's that I bought from HYPERLINK "http://www.luxeonstar.com"www.luxeonstar.com . The new Audi A8 will feature what appears to be their 5W star's in a 5 light cluster for headlamps. I built some nav lights using 3 of their star LED's and a simple current regulator using an LM317 and a 3.6 Ohm resistor for my RV-10 project. The light output is definitely brighter than a typical incandescent source and the current draw is about 1 amp compared to 2.5 amps for a reg. bulb. A link to the current regulator circuit is at: HYPERLINK "http://linear1.org/gm/archives/00000147.php"http://linear1.org/gm/archi ves/00000147.php I plan on using the Star LED's for the interior as well. They are available with different lens patterns, colors, and outputs. Although they cost about $10 a piece, they are easy to mount and 1 Star is a lot brighter than multiple $2 super brights. They also sell some wide dispersion board mount styles that many of the auto vendors currently use for IP lighting. The concept I have is a to use one of each of the primaries clustered in a color mixing flood configuration so that I can change the interior lighting to any color I want. Other ideas- the local PC stores are selling EL strip lighting kits with 12V inverters for less than $20. Although designed to light up your PC box (don't ask me why!) I think that they would make great under-glareshield lights for real cheap. Robin Wessel rv-10 wings Tigard, OR HYPERLINK "http://robin.getbiz.net"http://robin.getbiz.net --- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:17 PM PST US From: "Curt" Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt" I bought that same band saw many years ago. Very difficult to find metal blades for it. I had to have a few made up special. Then they easily snap when cutting anything of any significance. I finally sold it for $20 bucks with no blades. Now that I am working on the RV-9 there have only been a couple times when I wish I had one. But not enough to actually go buy one yet. If I do, I will buy a good one and one that I know there are blades for. Curt Hoffman RV-9A Wings done, QB fuselage, tail about done Cherokee N5320W TR6 back to running with HS6 SUs Harley Road King Classic Maybe I need a sailboat ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Band Saws > --> RV-List message posted by: > > I am looking for a band saw and I found this one at Harbor Freight. After going thru the archives, it sounds like just about any band saw will work. Anyone have experience with Central Machinery brand? Is the following a good deal? > > Thanks, > Steve > > Precision three-wheeled design cuts material up to 12'' wide and makes bevel cuts from 0 to 60 Electronic variable speed switch controls the speed of the blade from 0 to 2645 feet per minute. Three ball bearing blade guide system eliminates the blade from slipping. Includes miter gauge, trunion assembly, hex wrenches, and extra set of carbon brushes. Blade sold separately. > Motor: 115V, 3.5 amps, single phase > Table: slotted cast aluminum: 13-1/2'' x 13-1/2'' > Work capacity: 12'' x 4-1/8'' high > Requires 62'' blade > Overall dimensions: 24-7/8''L x 13-1/2''W x 22-3/4''H > Tool weight: 30 lbs. > ITEM 40981-5VGA > $109.99 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:53 PM PST US From: "Mauri Morin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Light Weight Gear Leg for RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Mauri Morin" http://www.groveaircraft.com/rv8.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Light Weight Gear Leg for RV-8 > --> RV-List message posted by: Fly2eat@aol.com > > Any one know of a source for lighter weight gear legs for the RV-8. I have > seen them mentioned in the past, even with brake lines enclosed. L.D. > Jeffries. RV-8QB > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: 2 new building resources From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" Paul, This is similar to what I had in mind when I began the "Bunny's Guide to RV Building" site. See http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/bunnys-guide/rv/bunny/ It doesn't really aim to correct specific 'errors' in the Manual -- more like fill in many of the gaps. Similarly with 'parts defects' -- it's more about how to work-around slightly mis-fitting parts than to document whether or not they are mis-fitting. I suspect that some RV-9 (and a lot of RV-7 stuff) will still be more-or-less the same as the RV-6, so its probably worth your while having a skim through. Frank (self-appointed keeper of the Guide) --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Eastham Reduce the amount of suffering in the RV community. Register any parts defects and construction manual errors you find, so new builders can go and make notes *before* they repeat history: Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:57 PM PST US From: "Douglas A. Fischer" Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: "Douglas A. Fischer" From the picture in Sport Aviation, it looks as though when you upgrade to the Autopilot combo version you lose the skid ball. That makes it an AP / Turn-and-Bank and not an AP / Turn Coordinator. Since I'm looking for IFR eventually, this doesn't really save anything for me, since I still want an actual TC. Maybe the Standard size instrument varies from the photo and has the ball. I'm considering a TruTrak AP and a combo AP/ TC (like the S-Tec) would be nice, but from the pic it looks like the TruTrak falls short of this. Too bad. Doug Fischer -9A Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > Yes, according to Richard Martin who was representing TruTrak the turn > coordinator alone is available in the 3 1/8" version. They only had the > 2.25" for display. > > It is very cool. It looks like much like a standard Artificial Horizon with > out the pitch component. Standard looking slip/skid ball. The unit is > electric and spools up immediately. The display unit had an internal battery > so people could test it out. The bank indicator is very sensitive. > > Just from the 10 minutes I played with it I believe it is the perfect > addition to the Dynon or other EFIS. > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobby Hester" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: TruTrak Auto-pilot w/turn coordinator > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester > > > > Darwin N. Barrie wrote: > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > > > > >Hi Mel, > > > > > >I saw the unit too and was very impressed, especially the price. He told > me > > >the unit IS available in the standard size, so I ordered one. The 2.25" > was > > >for display. Very, very cool and will look perfect under my Dynon. > > > > > >Darwin N. Barrie > > >Chandler AZ > > > > > > > > > > > Did you get the standard size 3 1/8" turn coordinator without the > > autopilot? I am interested in that. Was it the same price as the 2 1/4" > > $395 I will be very interested in hearing your report after you receive > it. > > > > -- > > Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY > > Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ > > RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:10 PM PST US From: "Craig Warner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws --> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" I bought a Delta bench top band saw for $88 from a local building supply store. Take the blade off and go to a machine tool supply house like Do-All. They can recommend theeth per inch, blade width, and thickness. I bought two blades for $16. Just watch out for metal flakes building up on the rubber tires the blade rides on. Otherwise it works well. Craig warner 6A still building ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws > --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt" > > I bought that same band saw many years ago. Very difficult to find metal > blades for it. I had to have a few made up special. Then they easily snap > when cutting anything of any significance. I finally sold it for $20 bucks > with no blades. Now that I am working on the RV-9 there have only been a > couple times when I wish I had one. But not enough to actually go buy one > yet. If I do, I will buy a good one and one that I know there are blades > for. > > Curt Hoffman > > RV-9A Wings done, QB fuselage, tail about done > Cherokee N5320W > TR6 back to running with HS6 SUs > Harley Road King Classic > Maybe I need a sailboat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: RV-List: Band Saws > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: > > > > I am looking for a band saw and I found this one at Harbor Freight. After > going thru the archives, it sounds like just about any band saw will work. > Anyone have experience with Central Machinery brand? Is the following a good > deal? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > Precision three-wheeled design cuts material up to 12'' wide and makes > bevel cuts from 0 to 60 Electronic variable speed switch controls the speed > of the blade from 0 to 2645 feet per minute. Three ball bearing blade guide > system eliminates the blade from slipping. Includes miter gauge, trunion > assembly, hex wrenches, and extra set of carbon brushes. Blade sold > separately. > > Motor: 115V, 3.5 amps, single phase > > Table: slotted cast aluminum: 13-1/2'' x 13-1/2'' > > Work capacity: 12'' x 4-1/8'' high > > Requires 62'' blade > > Overall dimensions: 24-7/8''L x 13-1/2''W x 22-3/4''H > > Tool weight: 30 lbs. > > ITEM 40981-5VGA > > $109.99 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:11 PM PST US From: Jim Oke Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke The need for a metal cutting blade depends what you intend to cut with the band saw. I have had reasonable success with a simple wood blade when cutting material up to 3/16" thick when roughing out fittings from 6061 angle and .063 2024 sheet. Thinner stiff bends however. If you want to cut steel, well a metal cutting blade is pretty much needed. Equally important as the blade type and teeth per inch is controlling blade speed - usually with a series of step pulleys. These are what the low end machines lack and what makes them unsuitable for even semi-serious metal work. Jim Oke RV-3, RV-6A Winnipeg, MB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Warner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws > --> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" > > I bought a Delta bench top band saw for $88 from a local building supply > store. Take the blade off and go to a machine tool supply house like Do-All. > They can recommend theeth per inch, blade width, and thickness. I bought two > blades for $16. Just watch out for metal flakes building up on the rubber > tires the blade rides on. Otherwise it works well. > > Craig warner 6A still building > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt" > > > > I bought that same band saw many years ago. Very difficult to find metal > > blades for it. I had to have a few made up special. Then they easily snap > > when cutting anything of any significance. I finally sold it for $20 bucks > > with no blades. Now that I am working on the RV-9 there have only been a > > couple times when I wish I had one. But not enough to actually go buy one > > yet. If I do, I will buy a good one and one that I know there are blades > > for. > > > > Curt Hoffman > > > > RV-9A Wings done, QB fuselage, tail about done > > Cherokee N5320W > > TR6 back to running with HS6 SUs > > Harley Road King Classic > > Maybe I need a sailboat > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Subject: RV-List: Band Saws > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: > > > > > > I am looking for a band saw and I found this one at Harbor Freight. > After > > going thru the archives, it sounds like just about any band saw will work. > > Anyone have experience with Central Machinery brand? Is the following a > good > > deal? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Steve > > > > > > Precision three-wheeled design cuts material up to 12'' wide and makes > > bevel cuts from 0 to 60 Electronic variable speed switch controls the > speed > > of the blade from 0 to 2645 feet per minute. Three ball bearing blade > guide > > system eliminates the blade from slipping. Includes miter gauge, trunion > > assembly, hex wrenches, and extra set of carbon brushes. Blade sold > > separately. > > > Motor: 115V, 3.5 amps, single phase > > > Table: slotted cast aluminum: 13-1/2'' x 13-1/2'' > > > Work capacity: 12'' x 4-1/8'' high > > > Requires 62'' blade > > > Overall dimensions: 24-7/8''L x 13-1/2''W x 22-3/4''H > > > Tool weight: 30 lbs. > > > ITEM 40981-5VGA > > > $109.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:23 PM PST US From: "Ned Thomas" <315@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws --> RV-List message posted by: "Ned Thomas" <315@cox.net> Hey Charli, I'm always looking for an excuse to fly:) Can I stop by on my way back from Sun N Fun and pick it up while meeting a fellow RV enthusiast? NEd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie & Tupper England" Subject: Re: RV-List: Band Saws > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England > > nyman@bellsouth.net wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: > > > >I am looking for a band saw and I found this one at Harbor Freight. After going thru the archives, it sounds like just about any band saw will work. Anyone have experience with Central Machinery brand? Is the following a good deal? > > > >Thanks, > >Steve > > > If you want mine (bought about 13 years ago & never made a cut without > the blade coming off), you can have it if you will come & get it. > > Charlie > Slobovia Outernational Airport, Jackson MS > > > > > >Precision three-wheeled design cuts material up to 12'' wide and makes bevel cuts from 0 to 60 Electronic variable speed switch controls the speed of the blade from 0 to 2645 feet per minute. Three ball bearing blade guide system eliminates the blade from slipping. Includes miter gauge, trunion assembly, hex wrenches, and extra set of carbon brushes. Blade sold separately. > >Motor: 115V, 3.5 amps, single phase > >Table: slotted cast aluminum: 13-1/2'' x 13-1/2'' > >Work capacity: 12'' x 4-1/8'' high > >Requires 62'' blade > >Overall dimensions: 24-7/8''L x 13-1/2''W x 22-3/4''H > >Tool weight: 30 lbs. > >ITEM 40981-5VGA > >$109.99 > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:37 PM PST US From: John Mcmahon Subject: RV-List: RV 4 Alternator --> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon Anyone out in RV4 land that may know who makes the smallest diameter alternator for the 0320 ...I have a friend that has the frame of the unit touching the cowl ,not the pulley!!! Thanks for any help.. John McMahon RV6 (near paint) Do Not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:38 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: > Re: Band Saws --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com I bought a band saw from Harbor Freight in 1982. I bought it on the phone for $300.00. A few months later a friend bought the same saw for $169.00. The same one now is $199. I have built two RV-4's plus steel tubing hangar doors and sundry other items. I used the wood cutting blade for all things aluminum,and metal cutting blade for steel. I'm still using it almost every day. I have adjusted the wheel angles so the blade stays on OK. I think it is well worth the money. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:08 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 4 Alternator --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" I have a 40 amp B&C alternator that fit my 0-360 RV-4 with plenty of clearance. Doug Weiler Hudson, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mcmahon" Subject: RV-List: RV 4 Alternator > --> RV-List message posted by: John Mcmahon > > Anyone out in RV4 land that may know who makes the smallest diameter > alternator for the 0320 ...I have a friend that has the frame of the > unit touching > the cowl ,not the pulley!!! Thanks for any help.. > > John McMahon RV6 (near paint) > > Do Not archive > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:02 PM PST US From: "Dave Ford" Subject: RV-List: intersection fairings --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" Am making my own intersection fairings and wondered if the lowers are normally glassed into the wheel pants and split, or separate and "floating" as the uppers are? Dave Ford RV6 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:01 PM PST US From: "Dave Ford" Subject: RV-List: cylinder blocker --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" >I'm going to fabricate some .020" >blockers out of AL, and just rivet them to the lower ramps. Exactly what I did. I had a 30 degree difference with cyl 1 being the lowest. Put a 1 inch hi wall in front of the fins on cyl #1 and now in normal cruise my temps are all same at 335 +- 1 on all cylinders. I never though getting cyl temps that close was possible. ------ Is it a good idea to make the blocker a 90deg block or more of a 45 or 60deg ramp to smoothly direct air flow to the rear cylinder? Dave Ford RV6 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:38 PM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Pitot --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" Wheeler, Can you help me visualize how you "sliced on the bottom at angles one for each axis"? so you could adjust/shim the device so precisely? David DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: Dynon Pitot > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > The dynon pitot is a standard pitot, with a flat spot and a hole down below > the pitot entrance for the AOA pressure. > > It provides the same values for the pitot that Van's pitot does. > > It is not a static source like some pitot tubes are, so you will need to use > Vans simple system or ??? > > RE compass module. > > Mine in in outer rt wing, fwd of spar. I used two peices of wood .75" x > 1.75" x 4" long sliced on the bottom at angles one for each axis. This > allowed me to shim on each axis separately until it was inside of .2 deg in > aligment with the D10. Then I bonded it all together and final shimed it > with tape. The hold down screws were ss #6 flush head that were screwed up > through the top peice of wood, then I used the plastic stand off nuts used > on circuit boards to hold the module down. > > This was the only place on my plane that allows 12" of separation from all > iron and wires. > > W > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:31 PM PST US From: N223RV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: intersection fairings --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com Mine are separate and screwed to the wheel pants with #8 screws and nut plates on the wheel pants. -Mike Kraus N223RV RV-4 Flying N213RV RV-10 Empennage ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:14 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Light Weight Gear Leg for RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" I used the Grove aluminum gear on my RV-8. Got the streamlined version so no fairing is required. Saves about 15 pounds. Tracy Crook --> RV-List message posted by: Fly2eat@aol.com Any one know of a source for lighter weight gear legs for the RV-8. I have seen them mentioned in the past, even with brake lines enclosed. L.D. Jeffries. RV-8QB ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:50 PM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: RV-List: Odessy Batteries --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" Hi All, I apologize for this message!! I thought I had saved the information on the Odessy batteries but apparently not. The archives suck so I need to post to the group. Where is the best place to get the PC860 with the most reasonable shipping costs? Thanks in advance. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ Doin' the wiring!! ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:59 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Odessy Batteries --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Darwin N. Barrie wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > >Hi All, > >I apologize for this message!! I thought I had saved the information on the Odessy batteries but apparently not. The archives suck so I need to post to the group. > >Where is the best place to get the PC860 with the most reasonable shipping costs? > >Thanks in advance. > >Darwin N. Barrie >Chandler AZ >Doin' the wiring!! > > > > Try spelling it Odyssey and maybe you won't think the archives suck so bad. :-) Jerry