---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/12/04: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 AM - Re: RV3/4 Round cowl inlet size (James E. Clark) 2. 01:10 AM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (KIMSEYCO@aol.com) 3. 04:08 AM - EL Panel/Glareshield Lighting (Donald Mei) 4. 05:19 AM - Re: EL Panel/Glareshield Lighting (Richard Meske) 5. 05:23 AM - Re: gps (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 6. 07:43 AM - SV-2 needed (Frazier, Vincent A) 7. 07:50 AM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (C. Rabaut) 8. 07:51 AM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (C. Rabaut) 9. 08:10 AM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (SportAV8R@aol.com) 10. 08:11 AM - Re: EL Panel/Glare shield Lighting (Stucklen, Frederic IFC) 11. 08:28 AM - Re: EL Panel/Glareshield Lighting (Paul Besing) 12. 08:36 AM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (Nels Hanson) 13. 08:58 AM - F1 QB wings for sale (VFT@aol.com) 14. 09:16 AM - Ugrades Update... (Bill VonDane) 15. 10:15 AM - SV vents found! (Frazier, Vincent A) 16. 10:52 AM - Re: Upgrades Update... (BRUCE GRAY) 17. 10:56 AM - Re: N8WV Upgrades... (Greg Milner) 18. 11:07 AM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (C. Rabaut) 19. 12:36 PM - Re: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV6 slider defrosters (Charles Brame) 20. 02:04 PM - Dave Anders phone number (Rick Fogerson) 21. 03:00 PM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (Larry G RV-7 N697RV) 22. 03:11 PM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (Alex Peterson) 23. 03:56 PM - Re: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV6 slider defrosters (Jim Jewell) 24. 04:13 PM - Re: Carson City Fly-in (kempthornes) 25. 04:37 PM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related/smoothing the bumps (Nels Hanson) 26. 04:59 PM - Re: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV6 slider defrosters (Jeff Orear) 27. 09:46 PM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (Richard E. Tasker) 28. 09:52 PM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 29. 10:00 PM - Re: Non-RV related Hanger related (kempthornes) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:18 AM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV3/4 Round cowl inlet size --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Will James has inlets and plenum for the six. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Emrath > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:08 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: RV3/4 Round cowl inlet size > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" > > Anyone, know if these inlets and plenum will these work on a -6 and does > Dave have a web site to view these? > Marty in Brentwood TN > > > Time: 06:34:55 AM PST US > From: John > Subject: RE: RV-List: RV3/4 Round cowl inlet size > > --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft > > Call Dave Anders at (559) 627-3375. He has it all worked out and sells the > machined rings for each size engine. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Fogerson > Subject: RV-List: RV3/4 Round cowl inlet size > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" > > Hi Listers, > I'm considering using round cowl inlets and an aluminum plenum on my RV3 > with an 0320. Does anyone know the proper dia. of a round inlet and how > this compares to the size/area of Van's std oblong inlet. Thanks, Rick > Fogerson RV3 engine baffling Boise, ID > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:50 AM PST US From: KIMSEYCO@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: KIMSEYCO@aol.com jason, i just completed a metal building hangar that is 70 ft wide by 84 ft deep and 18 ft at the roof eves. it has a 2/12 roof pitch and a standing seem roof. the building came to approx 35,000$ not including the hyd door that i installed that came to about 7,000$. the concrete for mime ran a little high at about 12,000$. and i have two walk doors and also a 10 x 10 roll up door, included with hanger price. tom kimsey warner robins ga. building came from about 10 miles north of valdosta ,Ga. if i can help with any thing else let me know. tom kimsey ps i did it all - age 62 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:40 AM PST US From: "Donald Mei" Subject: RV-List: EL Panel/Glareshield Lighting --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" I was wondering if you had tested it with your radios or a handheld radio on. I seem to remember that the transformers for the electroluminescent (sp??) lighting can be noisy?? Then on the other hand, for $18 what the heck? Don "All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:27 AM PST US From: Richard Meske (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmeske) by www.gcfn.org with HTTP; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:18:38.-0500@matronics.com (EST) Subject: Re: RV-List: EL Panel/Glareshield Lighting Don, We sell EL Lighting with inverters. NO one has complained about noise from our systems to this date. They are designed for low power and low electromatic radiation. The lights can easily be dimmed as well by varying the DC to the inverter from the +12V. GOOD LUCK with your project! Rich www.aircraftextras.com > --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > > I was wondering if you had tested it with your radios or a handheld > radio on. I seem to remember that the transformers for the > electroluminescent (sp??) lighting can be noisy?? > > Then on the other hand, for $18 what the heck? > > Don > > > "All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not > create the states; the states created the federal > government!"---Ronald Reagan > > Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from > bCentral. > > -- Rich ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:13 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: gps From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" No I have the sissy wheel and same problem, same rig as Laird. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: gps --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens I see a similar thing in my RV (w/ 430). The VOR checks right on at the local VOR checkpoint, but on approach it's 2 or 3 degrees off the GPS guidance...Of COURSE I use the VOR indication.....;-) I figure it's no big deal. Maybe it has to do with us taildraggers and the VOR check in the tail down attitude..... "Hello Garmin.....where do I adjust my 430 to compensate for the nose high attitude of my taildragger during a VOR check?" That would have them scratching their head. Laird RV-6 SoCal >--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > >Hi Wheeler > >Nice report & pictures, and appreciated by other IFR pilots. > >However not sure I agree with your assessment that the GPS is off & not the >localizer. >Looking at the hills in your final approach pictures it is possible that the >localizer is deflected slightly. My understanding is that some >deflection/bending is possible with localizer, glide slope and VOR. We have >some deflection at a local airport and it is so subtle that most pilots >would not notice. > >do not archive > >George in Langley > >George, > >Not sure what is up, but I have flown this approach a bunch of times. If I >fly the localizer I stay right on the runway centerline, if I fly the GPS >track I stay to the right of centerline. On a good day this puts me right >between the runway centerline and the right side of the runway if I were to >continue to touch down, which ain't bad for a low cost autopilot. And the >GPS antenna is on the AC centerline. > >The few other approaches I have flown with this system don't seem to do >this, so I don't think its the plane??? But, I are just a dumb piolet, >so... this opinion is worth what ya paid for. ;{) > >do not archive > > == == == == ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:11 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: SV-2 needed From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" Anybody have an extra NEW SV-2 and SV-5 that they aren't gonna use? It's the black eyeball vent and hose adaptor that Van's sells for $21. I need an extra one for the rear seater. Contact me offline if you've got one that's cluttering up your shop. I'll give you $25. That should cover your shipping. The item must be new, no holes or paint on it. Do not archive Vince Frazier 3965 Caborn Road Mount Vernon, IN 47620 812-464-1839 work 812-985-7309 home http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:43 AM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Ross, Yep, she's a "kit". First let me say... "I will never build a Quonset Hut, Arch style hanger ever again (using only me & one other guy)!". The reason I say that is due to the level of difficulty & lack of proper equipment. Me & a retired friend of mine, who wishes to remained "anonymous", had one heck of a time with this thing. The company says "easy assembly, no special tools required, etc..." B.S. Sure, if you have 6 guys and a scaffolding and 2 weeks of perfect weather then it's "easy assembly". The basic building consists of individual arches made out of Paper Thin galvanized steel, about10' x 2'. You bolt 5 of them end to end, then stand up one huge, wiggly, floppy, awkward, razor sharp, arching noodle that has a height of about 15' and a span of 40' and is only 2' wide. Now imagine trying to stabilize that monstrosity, while bolting together another "section", then standing up the second section, bolting that second wiggling section to the first one (while keeping them both balanced and trying to get the bolt holes to line up), and then repeating this process thirty times until those 2' sections add up to the 60' total length. They don't gain their strength until completely bolted together and secured to the foundation (now that she's done of course I can run up one side, jump up & down on the top, and run down the other side; she is strong). Sure after several days we got four sections together, balanced & tied to a borrowed fork lift, then we quit for a day (so we thought). Man were we proud, it was looking great, even got Polaroid's of the "Before & After" tragedy strikes. But the weather went south and a storm came through.... picked up those sections and twisted them into beautiful, gigantic, pasta "tortellini" looking rolls. If we hadn't tied it down as well as we had, I would've spent time knocking on some farmer's door 20 miles away trying to explain why my "big noodle" got away and blew into his field. Long story short (I never make long stories short) we ended up loosing several pieces and built the hanger narrower. As she stands now, she's 60' long, 10' high, and only 37' wide. I strongly recommend building going with a standard "framed" structure unless you've got plenty of man power, scaffolding, a fork lift, and plan on "good" weather. Chuck Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Mickey Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > > Is the hanger a kit? > > Ross > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C. Rabaut" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > > > I'm moving "away" from big government... > > > > -buying into a 40 acre, 1800' dirt strip $25,000 > > -one 40' x 60' concrete slab (self pour/level ?) $ 2,300 > > -one 40' x 60' arch style hanger (blew away once > > during construction) > > $6,900 > > -lots of work (no marketable value) $ > > 0 > > -tons of other odds & ends (electrical, plumbing, etc) $3,000 > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------- > > -having your own private dirt strip > > "priceless" > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:45 AM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Shotgun to shoot the F-cking crows that are eating all your seed $100 (plus shells)... :-} ----- Original Message ----- From: Cy Galley Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > Tractor with large deck mover $25,000 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > > > > > > Grass seed $2500.00 > > > > > > In a message dated 3/11/04 6:22:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > > crabaut@coalinga.com writes: > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > > > > > I'm moving "away" from big government... > > > > > > -buying into a 40 acre, 1800' dirt strip $25,000 > > > -one 40' x 60' concrete slab (self pour/level ?) $ 2,300 > > > -one 40' x 60' arch style hanger (blew away once > > > during construction) > > > $6,900 > > > -lots of work (no marketable value) $ > > > 0 > > > -tons of other odds &ends (electrical, plumbing, etc) $3,000 > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------- > > > -having your own private dirt strip > > > "priceless" > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: linn walters > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:52 AM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:09:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, crabaut@coalinga.com writes: > -having your own private dirt strip > "priceless" > > do not archive Naw, man: getting the dirt smooth and then getting GRASS to grow on your own private dirt strip- that's priceless!!! (and I'm there with the grass, but still working on the bumps!) -Bill ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:43 AM PST US From: "Stucklen, Frederic IFC" Subject: RV-List: RE: EL Panel/Glare shield Lighting --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic IFC" Listers, I've installed the same EL strip into my Tip Up RV-6A. I have about 4.5" of glare shield overhang (it makes BIG difference on canopy reflections). I've installed one .5" wide in close to the panel, and am planning a second one further out on the bottom of the glare shield to better illuminate of the lower panel areas. The single unit does a very nice job of lighting up panel areas that were previously dark. IMO, they do not replace instrument lighting, but rather compliment it by lowering the contrast between the panel and the instruments. The unit works well on the dimmer, but does have some flicker at some levels (due to the 'beat frequency' between the inverter freq and the digital dimmer circuit I am using). I might have to filter the dimmed voltage to this unit to eliminate the flicker.... I have also installed two 50* white LEDs near the top latch of the canopy (on either side of the canopy safety latch). These are used as general cabin lighting. Each has a small reflector that helps widen out the light beam. I have found that by focusing the right side LED towards the left panel area (and conversely the left side LED towards the right panel area) passenger head shadows are nearly eliminated. These two LEDs will light up the panel sufficiently for safe flight in the event of a panel lighting failure..... I'm also planning on adding similar white LEDs in the baggage area. I'd like to have better cabin lighting of the 'hat rack' area where maps & charts are usually stored during long trips. I've also contemplated putting the same lighting into the foot well areas...... Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV 155 Hrs --> RV-List message posted by: "John Wiegenstein" Just an update for those who responded to my earlier inquries re: panel lighting options. After poking around the 'net to see what there was, I ended up ordering an Electroluminescent green tape strip kip from Startech. Here's the link: http://www.mutantmods.com/itemdetail.cfm?ProductID=ELTAPEGN I ordered thru Buy.com, for a total cost of about $18. The kit arrived today, with a 4 foot long strip of green EL tape, a nice, compact transformer that runs off 12VDC, and connectors. Mocking it up where my glareshield will be shows that it gives lots of light, in a nice, even, soft green hue. I have the B&C dimmer for the other panel items (avionics) and the dimming curve for them seems to match well with the EL strip. My glareshield overhangs the panel by only about 1.5 inches, and if I had left a longer overhang it would position the EL strip further away from the panel and help give better light towards the bottom of the panel. But, so far it looks like it will be a slick setup for panel lighting, at very low cost, and should give very long life. John Wiegenstein Hansville, WA RV-6 N727JW (reserved) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:46 AM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: EL Panel/Glareshield Lighting --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" I used the same material on my RV-6A with lighting throughout the panel, and the power supply was in close proximity to all of my circuit breakers. I had no interference from the system. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold RV-10 Soon http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Mei" Subject: RV-List: EL Panel/Glareshield Lighting > --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" > > I was wondering if you had tested it with your radios or a handheld radio > on. I seem to remember that the transformers for the electroluminescent > (sp??) lighting can be noisy?? > > Then on the other hand, for $18 what the heck? > > Don > > > "All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create > the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan > > Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:11 AM PST US From: Nels Hanson Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson Couldn't resist gloating: Grass strip------------------------------------$00.00 Use of farmer's equipment to build grass strip-$00.00 Cost paid to farmer for seeding grass strip----$276.00 Hanger-standing cattle shed will be converted--$00.00 (I already have the materials,collected for free) Annual cost of mowing(Farmer's daughter)-------$00.00 She already mowed the yard and charges nothing extra for mowing the grass strip.Yard cost $25/week. This is what happens when you were born and raised in a small town atmosphere and lease your inherited farmland to some guys you grew up with. Sorry,but I just couldn't help but throw this unbelievable situation in here. Only bad thing about this setup is that the strip is only 1,100 ft. long and it is 160 miles from where I live. The good thing is that I have an RV-6 that can get there in an hour,land and take off from this short strip,and if it is a nice day I can taxi up in the yard of the farm house so my RV is about 30 ft. from the door. Can you imagine being downtown Chicago fighting the traffic and in a couple of hours being out in the middle of nowhere sitting on the front porch smoking a cigar and looking at your RV sitting on your own grass strip!! --- Cy Galley wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > > Tractor with large deck mover $25,000 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > > > > > > Grass seed $2500.00 > > > > > > In a message dated 3/11/04 6:22:51 PM US Eastern > Standard Time, > > crabaut@coalinga.com writes: > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > > > > > > I'm moving "away" from big government... > > > > > > -buying into a 40 acre, 1800' dirt strip > $25,000 > > > -one 40' x 60' concrete slab (self pour/level ?) > $ 2,300 > > > -one 40' x 60' arch style hanger (blew away once > > > during construction) > > > $6,900 > > > -lots of work (no marketable value) > $ > > > 0 > > > -tons of other odds &ends (electrical, plumbing, > etc) $3,000 > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------- > > > -having your own private dirt strip > > > "priceless" > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: linn walters > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ==================================== > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:06 AM PST US From: VFT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: F1 QB wings for sale --> RV-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com For sale. One complete set of F1 wings. Contact me off list if interested. Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory vft@aol.com 407-687-3126 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:37 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Ugrades Update... vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Got my panel done and ready to paint... I also got my new moving map software yesterday and have been playing around with this morning... It's the Mountain Scope Moving Map stuff from www.pcavionics.com... So far I think it's VERY COOL... I have posted a bunch of screen shots and info to my site... http://www.vondane.com/rv8a/finish/finish13.htm -Bill VonDane EAA Tech Counselor RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:56 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: SV vents found! From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" I've had 4 offers already! Thanks much for the replies. I went ahead and asked the first responder to send me what I needed. Vince Do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:02 AM PST US From: "BRUCE GRAY" Subject: RE: RV-List: Upgrades Update... --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" Maybe you can check out all that new equipment in route to our fly-in if you can make it? Your new panel is going to be pretty trick. (Carson City Fly-in) Bruce >From: Bill VonDane >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8list@yahoogroups.com, vansairforce > >Subject: RV-List: Ugrades Update... >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:16:29 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > >Got my panel done and ready to paint... > >I also got my new moving map software yesterday and have been playing >around >with this morning... It's the Mountain Scope Moving Map stuff from >www.pcavionics.com... So far I think it's VERY COOL... I have posted a >bunch of screen shots and info to my site... > >http://www.vondane.com/rv8a/finish/finish13.htm > >-Bill VonDane >EAA Tech Counselor >RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs >www.vondane.com >www.creativair.com >www.epanelbuilder.com > > One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:06 AM PST US From: "Greg Milner" Subject: Re: RV-List: N8WV Upgrades... --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Milner" Bill, I`m running 125hp and was using a Sterba 68x68. Bought a 68x66 from a guy with a -3 and performance was same, (1900 static rpm and 170mph at 2700rpm.). Sent the 68x66 to Sterba and requested 2200 static and no speed loss on top end. I got it back and it`s 68x62 now and my tach reads 2050 static. Used a friends tach checker and found it`s realy turning 2250rpm static (perfect). I still cruise at about 160mph @ 2500rpm. Sterba got the prop baqck in a couple weeks and didn`t charge anything. Good man to work with. My tach is accurate at 2500rpm but I don`t trust it anymore. What would you do with it? Red Milner RV-4 79KM based @ UES ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: RV-List: N8WV Upgrades... > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > > I've just updated my upgrades page if anyone is interested: > http://www.vondane.com/rv8a/finish/finish13.htm > > Got my new panel back from Ross at Experimental Air - > www.experimentalair.com, and it looks great! > > -Bill VonDane > EAA Tech Counselor > RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs > www.vondane.com > www.creativair.com > www.epanelbuilder.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:54 AM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" ... for me it's the bazillion ground squirrels digging holes all over he!! otherwise, making the dirt smooth is easy. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:09:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, crabaut@coalinga.com writes: > > > -having your own private dirt strip > > "priceless" > > > > do not archive > > Naw, man: getting the dirt smooth and then getting GRASS to grow on your own private dirt strip- that's priceless!!! (and I'm there with the grass, but still working on the bumps!) > > -Bill > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:42 PM PST US From: Charles Brame Subject: RE: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV-List: RV6 slider defrosters --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame I haven't mounted my fans yet, but they will go in the fuse forward top skin, centered in front of each occupant, in front of the instrument panel and just inside the windshield (6A-Slider.) I also wondered about the effect on the mag compass. I set my fans on my work shop table and hooked them up to a power supply. I positioned a boy scout compass between the fans and turned them on. No movement on the compass. I repositioned the compass to several other areas, above the fans, beside each fan, forward, back, etc. I never saw any movement in the compass between fans on and fans off. I even left the compass in place between the fans, and then removed the fans one at a time - again no movement. Moving the compass anywhere near the power supply; however, induced big errors. Thus, I am comfortable that the fans won't cause compass errors once mounted. Charlie Brame RV-6A N11CB San Antonio ------------------------------- > Time: 04:22:30 PM PST US > From: "Alex Peterson" > Subject: RE: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV-List: RV6 slider defrosters > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > > > Alex: > > > > Where did you mount your fans?? I am considering mounting > > mine just under the top forward skin just aft of the > > windscreen, but I am concerned about the magnets in the > > motors. Can I assume that even if you have one on each side > > of a possible compass mounted on the rollbar support and > > equal distances from the midline of the airplane, that there > > still would be some trouble with compass errors? > > I mounted them to the fuse forward top skin, just in front of the > instrument panel. It took a little creativity to cram them in amongst > the avionics, but it worked out. Don't know about the effect upon the > compass, which is in the right panel. One of these days I'll swing it. > > Alex Peterson > Maple Grove, MN > RV6-A N66AP 443 hours > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:37 PM PST US From: "Rick Fogerson" Subject: RV-List: Dave Anders phone number --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" I was told to contact Dave Anders at 559-627-3375 for round cowl inlets by 3 different people on the list. Tried twice (carefully) and each time got the same person who didn't know a Dave Anders. Does anyone have a different (correct?) number? Thanks, Rick Fogerson ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:54 PM PST US From: Larry G RV-7 N697RV Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: Larry G RV-7 N697RV Up here 40 acres would cost between 100,000 to 120,000 Rochester Mn area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > I'm moving "away" from big government... > > -buying into a 40 acre, 1800' dirt strip $25,000 > -one 40' x 60' concrete slab (self pour/level ?) $ 2,300 > -one 40' x 60' arch style hanger (blew away once > during construction) > $6,900 > -lots of work (no marketable value) $ > 0 > -tons of other odds & ends (electrical, plumbing, etc) $3,000 > ------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > -having your own private dirt strip > "priceless" > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: linn walters > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > > > > Jason Sneed wrote: > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed > > > > > >I am thinking about buying a 3000 square foot hanger and I was > > >wondering if you guys that know something about metal buildings could > > >give me a price per square foot for metal buildings. It has the more > > >expensive electric folding door. I am just looking for an estimate. It > > >is built on concrete and has a slab in front of the hanger also. > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > >Jason Sneed > > >RV-6 (may be getting a new home) > > > > > I'm building a new house and workshop. The workshop is 30X80, 40' > > electric bifold door and insulation. Cost is 23,480 or about $9.78/sq > > foot ...... not including slab! > > Linn > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:06 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > ... for me it's the bazillion ground squirrels digging holes > all over he!! otherwise, making the dirt smooth is easy. > > do not archive Van himself told me a trick I would love to try: put some sulfur at the opening of one of the holes, and aim a blowtorch at the sulfur and into the hole. Stinky smoke comes up from the other holes, and various rodents are croaked off. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 443 hours http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:38 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV-List: RV6 slider defrosters --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hello Charles, I did the same testing using my yet to be installed Sirs compass, the outcome was the same. Jim in Kelowna do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Brame" Subject: RE: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV-List: RV6 slider defrosters > --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame > > I haven't mounted my fans yet, but they will go in the fuse forward top > skin, centered in front of each occupant, in front of the instrument > panel and just inside the windshield (6A-Slider.) I also wondered about > the effect on the mag compass. > > I set my fans on my work shop table and hooked them up to a power > supply. I positioned a boy scout compass between the fans and turned > them on. No movement on the compass. I repositioned the compass to > several other areas, above the fans, beside each fan, forward, back, > etc. I never saw any movement in the compass between fans on and fans > off. I even left the compass in place between the fans, and then removed > the fans one at a time - again no movement. Moving the compass anywhere > near the power supply; however, induced big errors. Thus, I am > comfortable that the fans won't cause compass errors once mounted. > > Charlie Brame > RV-6A N11CB > San Antonio > > ------------------------------- > > > Time: 04:22:30 PM PST US > > From: "Alex Peterson" > > Subject: RE: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV-List: RV6 slider defrosters > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > > > > > > Alex: > > > > > > Where did you mount your fans?? I am considering mounting > > > mine just under the top forward skin just aft of the > > > windscreen, but I am concerned about the magnets in the > > > motors. Can I assume that even if you have one on each side > > > of a possible compass mounted on the rollbar support and > > > equal distances from the midline of the airplane, that there > > > still would be some trouble with compass errors? > > > > I mounted them to the fuse forward top skin, just in front of the > > instrument panel. It took a little creativity to cram them in amongst > > the avionics, but it worked out. Don't know about the effect upon the > > compass, which is in the right panel. One of these days I'll swing it. > > > > Alex Peterson > > Maple Grove, MN > > RV6-A N66AP 443 hours > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:17 PM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: Carson City Fly-in --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes This Carson City --- Nevada? When? hal ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:54 PM PST US From: Nels Hanson Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related/smoothing the bumps --> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson Wait until the April rains saturate your strip,then call a local asphalt company and have them come out with a 3-5 ton vibratory roller and compaction roll your grass strip. You can't believe how smooth this will make it. Don't use a small roller from a rental place,they are too small. Hit the strip about the time you can make a dent in the soil with your heel. It should cost around $300-$400. It will be well worth it and will last all summer and fall. --- "C. Rabaut" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > > ... for me it's the bazillion ground squirrels > digging holes all over he!! > otherwise, making the dirt smooth is easy. > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:09:23 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > crabaut@coalinga.com writes: > > > > > -having your own private dirt strip > > > "priceless" > > > > > > do not archive > > > > Naw, man: getting the dirt smooth and then getting > GRASS to grow on your > own private dirt strip- that's priceless!!! (and > I'm there with the grass, > but still working on the bumps!) > > > > -Bill > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:15 PM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV-List: RV6 slider defrosters --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" Charlie: Thanks for the info on your research into fans causing compass errors. I guess I can keep my cool about it now.........Sorry, couldn't resist! Do Not Archive Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A Panel Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Brame" Subject: RE: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV-List: RV6 slider defrosters > --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame > > I haven't mounted my fans yet, but they will go in the fuse forward top > skin, centered in front of each occupant, in front of the instrument > panel and just inside the windshield (6A-Slider.) I also wondered about > the effect on the mag compass. > > I set my fans on my work shop table and hooked them up to a power > supply. I positioned a boy scout compass between the fans and turned > them on. No movement on the compass. I repositioned the compass to > several other areas, above the fans, beside each fan, forward, back, > etc. I never saw any movement in the compass between fans on and fans > off. I even left the compass in place between the fans, and then removed > the fans one at a time - again no movement. Moving the compass anywhere > near the power supply; however, induced big errors. Thus, I am > comfortable that the fans won't cause compass errors once mounted. > > Charlie Brame > RV-6A N11CB > San Antonio > > ------------------------------- > > > Time: 04:22:30 PM PST US > > From: "Alex Peterson" > > Subject: RE: Fans causing compass errors ...was... RV-List: RV6 slider defrosters > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > > > > > > Alex: > > > > > > Where did you mount your fans?? I am considering mounting > > > mine just under the top forward skin just aft of the > > > windscreen, but I am concerned about the magnets in the > > > motors. Can I assume that even if you have one on each side > > > of a possible compass mounted on the rollbar support and > > > equal distances from the midline of the airplane, that there > > > still would be some trouble with compass errors? > > > > I mounted them to the fuse forward top skin, just in front of the > > instrument panel. It took a little creativity to cram them in amongst > > the avionics, but it worked out. Don't know about the effect upon the > > compass, which is in the right panel. One of these days I'll swing it. > > > > Alex Peterson > > Maple Grove, MN > > RV6-A N66AP 443 hours > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/ > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:32 PM PST US From: "Richard E. Tasker" Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" Don't complain. Around here (NW NJ) 40 acres would cost well over $1M. Dick Tasker Larry G RV-7 N697RV wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Larry G RV-7 N697RV > >Up here 40 acres would cost between 100,000 to >120,000 Rochester Mn area. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "C. Rabaut" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" >> >>I'm moving "away" from big government... >> >>-buying into a 40 acre, 1800' dirt strip $25,000 >>-one 40' x 60' concrete slab (self pour/level ?) $ 2,300 >>-one 40' x 60' arch style hanger (blew away once >> during construction) >>$6,900 >>-lots of work (no marketable value) $ >>0 >>-tons of other odds & ends (electrical, plumbing, etc) $3,000 >>------------------------------------------------- >> ---------------- >>-having your own private dirt strip >>"priceless" >> >>do not archive >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: linn walters >>To: >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters >>> >>>Jason Sneed wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed >>>> >>>>I am thinking about buying a 3000 square foot hanger and I was >>>>wondering if you guys that know something about metal buildings could >>>>give me a price per square foot for metal buildings. It has the more >>>>expensive electric folding door. I am just looking for an estimate. It >>>>is built on concrete and has a slab in front of the hanger also. >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>>Jason Sneed >>>>RV-6 (may be getting a new home) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I'm building a new house and workshop. The workshop is 30X80, 40' >>>electric bifold door and insulation. Cost is 23,480 or about $9.78/sq >>>foot ...... not including slab! >>>Linn >>>do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:31 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" "C. Rabaut" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Ross, > > Yep, she's a "kit". First let me say... "I will never build a Quonset > Hut, Arch style hanger ever again (using only me & one other guy)!". The > reason I say that is due to the level of difficulty & lack of proper > equipment. Me & a retired friend of mine, who wishes to remained > "anonymous", had one heck of a time with this thing. The company says "easy > assembly, no special tools required, etc..." B.S. > Sure, if you have 6 guys and a scaffolding and 2 weeks of perfect weather > then it's "easy assembly". > > The basic building consists of individual arches made out of Paper Thin > galvanized steel, about10' x 2'. You bolt 5 of them end to end, then stand > up one huge, wiggly, floppy, awkward, razor sharp, arching noodle that has a > height of about 15' and a span of 40' and is only 2' wide. Now imagine > trying to stabilize that monstrosity, while bolting together another > "section", then standing up the second section, bolting that second wiggling > section to the first one (while keeping them both balanced and trying to get > the bolt holes to line up), and then repeating this process thirty times > until those 2' sections add up to the 60' total length. They don't gain > their strength until completely bolted together and secured to the > foundation (now that she's done of course I can run up one side, jump up & > down on the top, and run down the other side; she is strong). How did you determine Her gender? do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:25 PM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV related Hanger related --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes Sad but here it won't buy a lot in town. hal Paso Robles, CA (but the Apricot trees are in full bloom!) At 03:00 PM 3/12/2004, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Larry G RV-7 N697RV > >Up here 40 acres would cost between 100,000 to >120,000 Rochester Mn area.