Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:17 AM - Re: First Flight (Charles Rowbotham)
2. 05:26 AM - Re: First Flight (Jeff Orear)
3. 05:44 AM - potential Altrak servo problem. (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
4. 05:50 AM - Re: Cleveland Brake Assembly (Alex Peterson)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: Cleveland Brake Assembly (Jim Anglin)
6. 07:58 AM - Re: Cleveland Brake Assembly (Cy Galley)
7. 09:17 AM - Re: Microaor 760 Comm (Bill VonDane)
8. 09:39 AM - Re: Cleveland Brake Assembly (Gordon and Marge)
9. 11:06 AM - Re: Cleveland Brake Assembly (Schilling Karl)
10. 11:24 AM - Re: potential Altrak servo problem. (Laird Owens)
11. 11:39 AM - RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem (Mickey Coggins)
12. 11:52 AM - Re: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem (Scott Bilinski)
13. 12:28 PM - Re: potential Altrak servo problem. (Gary Zilik)
14. 12:37 PM - Re: potential Altrak servo problem. (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
15. 01:00 PM - OSH (Wheeler North)
16. 01:41 PM - OSH tie-downs (Scott Bilinski)
17. 01:50 PM - Re: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem (Vince Himsl)
18. 01:57 PM - K&N Filter... (Bill VonDane)
19. 02:26 PM - Re: K&N Filter... (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
20. 02:28 PM - Re: OSH tie-downs? (Randy Simpson)
21. 02:31 PM - Re: OSH tie-downs (Laird Owens)
22. 03:08 PM - Re: OSH tie-downs (linn walters)
23. 04:06 PM - Re: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem (GMC)
24. 05:11 PM - Re: OSH tie-downs (Greg Young)
25. 05:34 PM - Re: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem (Charlie Kuss)
26. 05:42 PM - Re: OSH tie-downs (Charlie & Tupper England)
27. 06:59 PM - Re: OSH tie-downs (RV6 Flyer)
28. 07:11 PM - Re: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem (thomas a. sargent)
29. 07:47 PM - Re: OSH tie-downs (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG))
30. 09:43 PM - Alternator Belts (Mike Holland)
31. 10:59 PM - Re: OSH tie-downs (Randy Simpson)
32. 11:52 PM - some questions from a new guy (ed)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Jeff,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: RV List <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: First Flight
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:42:57 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
>RV-6 N187CF, aka The Spruce Moose, took to the skies today for the first
>time. The flight was about 25 minutes, during which we climbed out to
>5,000 ft. over the airport, checked temps and such, and came back for a
>landing. It flies like a dream, with only a slight heaviness to the
>right wing.
>
>Stats:
>RV-6 tip-up, slow build kit #25728, started 9/99.
>Approx. 1800 hours build time over 4 1/2 years.
>Aerosport Power O-360/ Ed Sterba 70X82 prop.
>Basic IFR panel w/ Dynon
>Heavy, but very comfortable Oregon aero seats
>1,067lbs empty (surprisingly heavy, I question the scales...)
>
>I didn't get much in the way of numbers, other than a climb of 1500fpm
>at 100 kts. CHTs never went above 400, on a brand new engine. Lots of
>little things to be tweaked over the next few weeks.
>
>Many thanks to Matt for the list, as well as all listers who have been
>such a help over the years. Thanks to Alex Dedominicis for the
>transition training, which was a tremendous help. And of course, thanks
>Van for such a great design.
>
>Pictures and numbers will follow when time allows.
>
>Jeff Point
>RV-6 FLYING!
>Milwaukee, WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Hi Jeff:
Any time you want to drop in, send me an email.
Slow but steady progress on my RV. I am starting to wire my panel. As they
say, one wire at a time.
Again, congrats on getting your RV airborne!
Regards,
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> That would make a nice trip up north. We have been considering
> purchasing some land up north, and this would be a good excuse to go
flying.
>
> How is your project going?
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Orear wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
> >
> >Jeff:
> >
> >Way to go!!! Now get that time flown off and fly that beauty up to
> >Marinette so I can have a look at it! A ride would be nice too!!
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Jeff Orear
> >RV6A
> >Panel
> >Peshtigo, WI
> >
> >
> >Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> >To: "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: First Flight
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >>RV-6 N187CF, aka The Spruce Moose, took to the skies today for the first
> >>time. The flight was about 25 minutes, during which we climbed out to
> >>5,000 ft. over the airport, checked temps and such, and came back for a
> >>landing. It flies like a dream, with only a slight heaviness to the
> >>right wing.
> >>
> >>Stats:
> >>RV-6 tip-up, slow build kit #25728, started 9/99.
> >>Approx. 1800 hours build time over 4 1/2 years.
> >>Aerosport Power O-360/ Ed Sterba 70X82 prop.
> >>Basic IFR panel w/ Dynon
> >>Heavy, but very comfortable Oregon aero seats
> >>1,067lbs empty (surprisingly heavy, I question the scales...)
> >>
> >>I didn't get much in the way of numbers, other than a climb of 1500fpm
> >>at 100 kts. CHTs never went above 400, on a brand new engine. Lots of
> >>little things to be tweaked over the next few weeks.
> >>
> >>Many thanks to Matt for the list, as well as all listers who have been
> >>such a help over the years. Thanks to Alex Dedominicis for the
> >>transition training, which was a tremendous help. And of course, thanks
> >>Van for such a great design.
> >>
> >>Pictures and numbers will follow when time allows.
> >>
> >>Jeff Point
> >>RV-6 FLYING!
> >>Milwaukee, WI
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | potential Altrak servo problem. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I found this on a yahoo group this morning.
Good job on Bobby for catching this. Now we need some answers from the
manufacturer.
http://bobby.hargrave.home.att.net/pages/Loose_servo.html
Lets not be alarmists. But lets also not take any chances with flight
controls. I'm concerned that a problem like this is not isolated.
Those of you flying one of these should consider grounding your plane
for an immediate inspection of this and choosing your method of
prevention.
My plane is grounded untill I can remedy it. I am waiting for the
manufacturer to wake up this morning so's I can call em. If there is any
info gleened today out there, please post it here. There are lots of
these flying.
Michael Stewart
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Cleveland Brake Assembly |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> Maybe it is simple on your airplane, but on a -4 it is
> usually a real P.I.T.A. -4s tend to have a loop above the
> master cylinder and I have never been able to back-bleed
> them, I always have to push it down from the top with my
> finger over the bleeder. It takes a bunch of fluid and makes
> a big mess. One of the worst airplanes I know of to bleed the
> brakes on. I have talked to others who tell the same story on the -4.
>
> Doug Rozendaal
Doug, you need to time your inverted flight just right, combined with a
little knife edge..... on a more serious note, is the tubing, from
which these loops above the master cylinders are made, too large a
diameter? Such that fluid/air gets mixed up? I would think that
shoving it in from the bottom of the wheel cylinders quickly enough
would take care of the mixing. It does require attaching a tube to the
top of the reservoir to catch the extra fluid belching out the top.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 445 hours
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | Re: Cleveland Brake Assembly |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <jlanglin44@earthlink.net>
Sometimes, as on my -4, the brake cylinders are mounted upside down to allow
bolt clearance to the center console. If this is the case, it will be very
difficult to bleed them with pressure from the bottom (read in there
impossible without a vacuum source of some kind). Turn the cylinders so the
low pressure fitting is up (the one that goes to the master cylinder) and
it'll work fine. I use a plain old pump style oil can and some clear tubing
that will fit over the fitting at the caliper.
Jim
I apologize if this is redundant - I missed some of this thread earlier.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cleveland Brake Assembly |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
For some reason, the RV series started with the master cylinders installed
up-side down creating a loop. It needs to be corrected with the lines
always going down hill. Otherwise you WILL have problem. Don't feel you
are alone. The Bonanza is difficult because the brake line goes down hill
due to the dihedral of the wing. You can make it easier by jacking up the
other side.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cleveland Brake Assembly
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> Maybe it is simple on your airplane, but on a -4 it is usually a real
> P.I.T.A. -4s tend to have a loop above the master cylinder and I have
never
> been able to back-bleed them, I always have to push it down from the top
> with my finger over the bleeder. It takes a bunch of fluid and makes a big
> mess. One of the worst airplanes I know of to bleed the brakes on. I have
> talked to others who tell the same story on the -4.
>
> Doug Rozendaal
>
>
> > Actually
> > quite simple to do, and you don't need two people, either.
> >
> > Alex Peterson
> > Maple Grove, MN
> > RV6-A N66AP 445 hours
> > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Microaor 760 Comm |
rv8list@yahoogroups.com,
"vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>"
<OFDB09046D.D8A06FF3-ON86256E59.005D4E7F-86256E59.005D700E@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hey Mark...
Good news... I called Microair last night and talked to one of their
techs... I told him the two things I THOUGHT I might have done to damage my
radio, which was; key the mic without an antenna, and operate the radio with
too low a voltage, and he told me neither one of those should have damaged
the radio... He told me to make a test cable and power up the radio on the
bench...
So I went back out to the hangar last night, did that and it worked fine...
Hooked everything back up in the plane again.....It all worked perfectly...
(I've had a battery charger on for a day at this point) ...so I guess the
low voltage that my battery was putting out wasn't enough for things to work
properly... So anyway, I don't need to get my radio repaired after all...
he also told me to have it repaired, if need be, would only be about two
weeks turn around, and he has never seen one that was more than $100 to
fix...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <menavrat@rockwellcollins.com>
Subject: Microaor 760 Comm
Ok Bill, don't leave us hangin', the suspense is killing me....did yours
break? What happened to it?
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D fwf....with Microair Comm for my panel....
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: RV-List: Microaor 760 Comm
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone have any experience with having a Microair Radio repaired? Is there
a repair shop in the US?
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
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| Subject: | Cleveland Brake Assembly |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Cleveland Brake Assembly
>
> Maybe it is simple on your airplane, but on a -4 it is
> usually a real P.I.T.A. -4s tend to have a loop above the
> master cylinder and I have never been able to back-bleed
> them, I always have to push it down from the top with my
> finger over the bleeder. It takes a bunch of fluid and makes
> a big mess. One of the worst airplanes I know of to bleed the
> brakes on. I have talked to others who tell the same story on the -4.
>
> Doug Rozendaal
Doug, you need to time your inverted flight just right, combined with a
little knife edge..... on a more serious note, is the tubing, from
which these loops above the master cylinders are made, too large a
diameter? Such that fluid/air gets mixed up? I would think that
shoving it in from the bottom of the wheel cylinders quickly enough
would take care of the mixing. It does require attaching a tube to the
top of the reservoir to catch the extra fluid belching out the top.
Alex Peterson
I am using the nylon tubing for the brakes on the -4 so the fluid is
visible. I've found that by keeping the fluid reservoir filled and with
the bottom bleeder open, air bubbles, if they exist will flow down into
the brake assembly. From there, some are expelled but not all. After
closing the bleeder such air that is still in the brake assy will rise
to the top and appear at the elbow fitting. After the air stops
collecting, cracking the fitting will allow it to escape. Sometimes
this must be done more than once but it does a good job of ridding the
system of air.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Cleveland Brake Assembly |
--> RV-List message posted by: Schilling Karl <Karl.Schilling@ssfhs.org>
The cure for this is to use a vacuum bleeder and bleed from the bottom. You
can get one from your local auto parts store. If you contact Steve Wood @
RVator@aol.com he can help you get one if you aren't able to find one where
you live.
Karl RV-8 in Indy
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon and Marge [mailto:gcomfo@tc3net.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: Cleveland Brake Assembly
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon and Marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Cleveland Brake Assembly
>
> Maybe it is simple on your airplane, but on a -4 it is
> usually a real P.I.T.A. -4s tend to have a loop above the
> master cylinder and I have never been able to back-bleed
> them, I always have to push it down from the top with my
> finger over the bleeder. It takes a bunch of fluid and makes
> a big mess. One of the worst airplanes I know of to bleed the
> brakes on. I have talked to others who tell the same story on the -4.
>
> Doug Rozendaal
Doug, you need to time your inverted flight just right, combined with a
little knife edge..... on a more serious note, is the tubing, from
which these loops above the master cylinders are made, too large a
diameter? Such that fluid/air gets mixed up? I would think that
shoving it in from the bottom of the wheel cylinders quickly enough
would take care of the mixing. It does require attaching a tube to the
top of the reservoir to catch the extra fluid belching out the top.
Alex Peterson
I am using the nylon tubing for the brakes on the -4 so the fluid is
visible. I've found that by keeping the fluid reservoir filled and with
the bottom bleeder open, air bubbles, if they exist will flow down into
the brake assembly. From there, some are expelled but not all. After
closing the bleeder such air that is still in the brake assy will rise
to the top and appear at the elbow fitting. After the air stops
collecting, cracking the fitting will allow it to escape. Sometimes
this must be done more than once but it does a good job of ridding the
system of air.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: potential Altrak servo problem. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Mike,
The link comes up as "URL Not Found"
What's the thing we should be looking at?
Laird RV-6 EZ equipped
SoCal
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I found this on a yahoo group this morning.
>
>Good job on Bobby for catching this. Now we need some answers from the
>manufacturer.
>
>http://bobby.hargrave.home.att.net/pages/Loose_servo.html
>
>
>Lets not be alarmists. But lets also not take any chances with flight
>controls. I'm concerned that a problem like this is not isolated.
>
>Those of you flying one of these should consider grounding your plane
>for an immediate inspection of this and choosing your method of
>prevention.
>
>
>My plane is grounded untill I can remedy it. I am waiting for the
>manufacturer to wake up this morning so's I can call em. If there is any
>info gleened today out there, please post it here. There are lots of
>these flying.
>
>
>Michael Stewart
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Ouch. I goofed while drilling the holes for the forward
spar on the HS. I'm not sure what to do, and I would
appreciate any advice you can offer. I've got pictures
and details on my site, and I would be happy to hear
any advice or tips or tricks.
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=2004031620072395
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I had a problem something like this and just added another angle bracket on
the other side, drilled and added an additional bolt on each side with
Van's blessing.
At 08:39 PM 3/16/04 +0100, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>Ouch. I goofed while drilling the holes for the forward
>spar on the HS. I'm not sure what to do, and I would
>appreciate any advice you can offer. I've got pictures
>and details on my site, and I would be happy to hear
>any advice or tips or tricks.
>
> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=2004031620072395
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: potential Altrak servo problem. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
Laird I just followed the link again and it does seem to be broke. I'll
try and explain what I saw.
The altrak servo mounts to the supplied bracket (in our 6's) using 3
AN-3 bolts into the servo-arm side of the baseplate. The baseplate, I
assume, is hollow and houses the gear train. The motor side of the
baseplate has a cover plate which is also the mounting plate for the
stepping motor. There are four screws holding this cover plate and motor
to the gearbox. It's these four countersunk 8-32 screws that had backed
out.
I had planned other maintenance this evening but checking the servo has
moved to the top of the list.
Hope this helps
Gary
Laird Owens wrote:
>--> RV-List message postedby: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
>Mike,
>
>The link comes up as "URL Not Found"
>
>What's the thing we should be looking at?
>
>Laird RV-6 EZ equipped
>SoCal
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
>><mstewart@iss.net>
>>
>>I found this on a yahoo group this morning.
>>
>>Good job on Bobby for catching this. Now we need some answers from the
>>manufacturer.
>>
>>http://bobby.hargrave.home.att.net/pages/Loose_servo.html
>>
>>
>>Lets not be alarmists. But lets also not take any chances with flight
>>controls. I'm concerned that a problem like this is not isolated.
>>
>>Those of you flying one of these should consider grounding your plane
>>for an immediate inspection of this and choosing your method of
>>prevention.
>>
>>
>>My plane is grounded untill I can remedy it. I am waiting for the
>>manufacturer to wake up this morning so's I can call em. If there is any
>>info gleened today out there, please post it here. There are lots of
>>these flying.
>>
>>
>>Michael Stewart
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | potential Altrak servo problem. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Try this.
It was moved. You can see why.
Mike
http://bobby.hargrave.home.att.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Laird Owens
Subject: Re: RV-List: potential Altrak servo problem.
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Mike,
The link comes up as "URL Not Found"
What's the thing we should be looking at?
Laird RV-6 EZ equipped
SoCal
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I found this on a yahoo group this morning.
>
>Good job on Bobby for catching this. Now we need some answers from the
>manufacturer.
>
>http://bobby.hargrave.home.att.net/pages/Loose_servo.html
>
>
>Lets not be alarmists. But lets also not take any chances with flight
>controls. I'm concerned that a problem like this is not isolated.
>
>Those of you flying one of these should consider grounding your plane
>for an immediate inspection of this and choosing your method of
>prevention.
>
>
>My plane is grounded untill I can remedy it. I am waiting for the
>manufacturer to wake up this morning so's I can call em. If there is
any
>info gleened today out there, please post it here. There are lots of
>these flying.
>
>
>Michael Stewart
>
>Do not archive
>
>
==
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Ken,
What you bring depends entirely on how many are camping. But plan on there
being moments of significant water coming down. So at least a three season
tent with a full fly is a must. I also bring a small 7 lb cot just in case
the water flows where it shouldn't. A three person is good for one person, a
four person is good for two and a six person is good for three bodies, but
get two tents instead.
The tent footprints are nice to protect the tent but they hold water
underneath, particularly when the tent is on grass.
Tie downs, read up on this very carefully. The doggy leashes are not
acceptable to hold an airplane down, but they are great for lashing down
piles of chairs and stuff. The real problem with a good tie down is getting
it back out upon departure.
Coolers, chairs and water bags and such need to stay tent bound unless you
are sitting on them or have them lashed down.
Food and such is a function of how well you make friends (AKA beg, grovel,
etc). If you show up early and volunteer somewhere you will find it easy to
get food, join groups going out for food, or hop a ride to the local wally
worlds. Or you can pay your child's inheritance and eat poorly at the show's
vendors.
I only bring food and cooking stuff for morning coffee and some travel
snacks, of which I replenish when I can beg a ride to the outside world. As
a volunteer I have proven that one can survive up to two weeks on the Purina
Mystery Sandwiches served by Operation Thirst without suffering gout or
scurvey. They are nutritionally full bodied.
Showers, bring a kit with two towels per person as it sometimes takes two
days for a towel to get dry enough to actually work. Should also have a pair
of light sandels for to/from and in the shower. Re other clothes, I always
plan on upgrading my T-shirt collection at the fly mart so can save a few
pounds and wash trips with the old credit card. Also a good idea to have a
net bag for to be washed clothes. I also wear shoes that are very open wet
type sneakers that REI has, as I find they dry faster.
RE bug juice, anything from vitamin b to a shotgun, that works for you. I
caution that some of the DEET products use a solvent that will craze acrylic
in a few hours.
RE sun protection, WI has some of the worst sunburns ever so go with SPF
coal black outer space.
RE rain gear, REI has some good stuff type wind breaker rain gear pants and
pullovers. These are good, additionally the plastic panchos work ok for a
few days.
RE day pack, get a good one that fits your needs for camera, phone, snacks,
and rain gear, but will shed water on its own reasonably well as it can get
very wet very suddenly.
RE sleeping bag, I don't recommend down as it doesn't get super cold there,
and wet down really sucks. I use the cheapest polyfill bag and stuff pillow
I can find and toss it after the summer is over(think hot sweaty nights, no
amount of cleaning will ever make it smell good again). The super light
throw blankets are light and nice for those scorcher nights, but it can also
get cold, so these can work well with the bag. Also the thermal rest foam
things on the cheap light cot makes for a nice sleep. The wire/aluminum cots
are a little scary getting into, much like a hammock, but once you get used
to being in it, its much nicer than the ground.
RE First aid, keep it minimum and to things for comfort like asprin,
benadryl, a few bandaids, and a cell phone for the bigger, badder things.
Flashlight needs to be wet proof, have at least two, the new super LED types
are awesome. Try Fry's electronics for good prices on these.
RE cash, depends on your needs/tastes, but $20 per person per day is more
than enough for general spending, then anything else for camping/fees,
shopping, tours etc.
RE location, if you can get under a tree it will be cooler and dryer, but
you will need to be there at least a few days early to get this option. Also
be at least a few hundred feet from showers, potties and dumpsters as they
tend to be very noisy and smelly.
I am probably missing a few pieces of advice, I'm sure Mikey and others
could pitch in and fill in the gaps.
W
Time: 12:43:29 PM PST US
From: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: OT: Oshkosh bound...
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
We've decided to make our first pilgrimage to Oshkosh this summer and
we're going to camp on the grounds. I've read the EAA's survival guide,
but I'd some specific recommendations about what to bring. What sort of
tent, sleeping bag, etc. Should I just go down to REI and have at it?
I'd hate to purchase or pack anything unnecessary.
Am I correct in assuming that Showplane Camping is the right/best place
for us to camp with our RV?
Any info at all would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
So what are the best tie-downs for OSH?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vince Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I had a problem something like this and just added another angle bracket on
the other side, drilled and added an additional bolt on each side with
Van's blessing.
At 08:39 PM 3/16/04 +0100, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>Ouch. I goofed while drilling the holes for the forward
>spar on the HS. I'm not sure what to do, and I would
>appreciate any advice you can offer. I've got pictures
>and details on my site, and I would be happy to hear
>any advice or tips or tricks.
>
> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=2004031620072395
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone have their K&N filter handy that could give me the part number off
it?
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: K&N Filter... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 3/16/04 4:58:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
bill@vondane.com writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Anyone have their K&N filter handy that could give me the part number off
> it?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> -Bill VonDane
Bill,
The one for the IO-360 is 33-2060. I think that is the K&N number. Vans
number is E-33-2060.
Dan RV-7A (almost done)
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| Subject: | Re: OSH tie-downs? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Simpson <airtime@proaxis.com>
Scott and others...
I'm kinda biased, but I think my titanium Ti-downs are by far the best
Tie-down option for OshKosh and anywhere else, for that matter *smile*
I wandered all over the OshKosh grounds the last two fly-in's, screwing in
the Ti-downs in all over the place, and they worked most excellently
there....I think that anyone that's used them will agree...
Less than two pounds total for the kit, easy to use, and extremely strong.
Two years ago, I got a kick outta seeing the big barrell of broken doggie
tie-downs there at Osh...shoulda taken a picture of that.
Sincerely,
Randy Simpson
Airtime Mfg.
http://www.airtimemfg.com
p.s. I'm working overtime trying to get caught up on orders right now...If
you've ordered a set or kit, they'll be shipped soon. My little note here
on the RV-list from a couple weeks ago was very successful, orderwise. Five
kits are going in the mail today, with the rest to follow later this week,
hopefully...
pp.s. After this coming friday (the first day of spring), the $10 RV-list
discount is going away, along with the free shipping...
------------
At 01:39 PM 3/16/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>So what are the best tie-downs for OSH?
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: OSH tie-downs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
These are the best I've found....highly recommended.
http://www.airtimemfg.com/
Read Sam B.'s product review at:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/tidowns.html
Laird
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>So what are the best tie-downs for OSH?
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH tie-downs |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Scott Bilinski wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>So what are the best tie-downs for OSH?
>
12" nails from home depot. You can use 3 at each tiedown pushed in like
a teepee with the rope wound around the apex. Useful in sand, clay and
hardpan (with a handy hammer). Cheap and easily replaced.
Linn
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@uniserve.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Ouch. I goofed while drilling the holes for the forward
spar on the HS. I'm not sure what to do, and I would
appreciate any advice you can offer. I've got pictures
and details on my site, and I would be happy to hear
any advice or tips or tricks.
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=2004031620072395
Thanks,
Mickey
Hi Mickey
I remember having edge distance problems in this area also.
If Vans says not to worry I would accept that, however just to make myself
feel even better I would make a 1/8" doubler plate that extends outboard far
enough to have proper hole edge distance (if possible) and inboard far
enough to pick up on the inboard bolt.
On another point if it is (was) the final installation the inboard bolt
looks long, make sure the nut is not bottoming out on the bolt shank.
George in Langley
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Scott, you know better than to ask for the "best" of anything on this
list:-) My choice is the titanium ti-downs. They only <look> like dog
stakes, otherwise no comparison. They absolutely won't break and you can
twist them with enough force to penetrate any soil and rocks and get deep
enough to anchor firmly in almost anything, even the SnF sand. I've used
them with my Citabria and Navion at both OSH & SnF with no fear. I voted
with my wallet... I thought enough of them to buy 10 sets for Xmas gifts one
year.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> --> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> So what are the best tie-downs for OSH?
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Mickey,
How about using a one legged nut plate instead of an AN365 nut? I "think" the
number is MS21051-L3 The nutplate would be attached to the angle in question
with 2 AN426AD-3 rivets. The nutplate would be anchored to the angle through those
2 rivets, which would not be near any edge.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>Ouch. I goofed while drilling the holes for the forward
>spar on the HS. I'm not sure what to do, and I would
>appreciate any advice you can offer. I've got pictures
>and details on my site, and I would be happy to hear
>any advice or tips or tricks.
>
> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=2004031620072395
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH tie-downs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Scott Bilinski wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>So what are the best tie-downs for OSH?
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
Here's the triple spike system someone mentioned:
http://www.theclaw.com/products/claw.php
Just some Mississippi good ol' boys tryin' to make a livin'.
Give 'em a call; we need the money down here. :-)
Charlie
(no financial ties to them)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Scott:
I have used the same ones for 5 of the past 6 AirVenture Oshkosh. I
purchased them from Randy Simpson at http://www.airtimemfg.com/
Check the archives about 6 years ago to see what I and everyone else had to
say.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,442 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: RV-List: OSH tie-downs
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
So what are the best tie-downs for OSH?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now!
http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 horizontal stabilizer mounting problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Mickey:
The same thing happened to me. Mine is QB and when they built that
section they just didn't overlap the angle enough with the longeron. So,
I drilled the hole properly centered in the longeron and it came out
looking exactly like your picture on the inside. Given the dimensions
of that angle that's rivetted in there, you don't have much choice.
On the advice of Vans I cut a strip of 1/8" 6061 Aluminum (I cut it out
of a piece of angle I had laying around) and made it long enough so that
it fit over those last 2 bolt holes. I was careful to make it extend as
far outboard as it could and then drilled it to the 2 existing holes.
I had to do that on each side. So, I have these 2 extra piece of 1/8"
AL in there forevermore. It serves as a sort of doubler and gives
adequate edge distance (well, much better edge distance, anyway) and a
sound place to tighten the bolt against.
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A canopy.
Mickey Coggins wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>Ouch. I goofed while drilling the holes for the forward
>spar on the HS. I'm not sure what to do, and I would
>appreciate any advice you can offer. I've got pictures
>and details on my site, and I would be happy to hear
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" <F.vanderHulst@ucol.ac.nz>
I'd hate to take money away from your Mississippi boys, but US$120 is
*way* too steep for me.
However, it does look like the kind of thing that *any* good ol' RV
builder could put together on a Saturday afternoon with a few 12" nails,
a few 3/16" bolts, and some bits of .063" angle aluminum. The only
tricky thing would be how to attach the nails to the ends of the arms at
the right angle... anyone got any ideas there?
In fact, you could probably make them a bit smaller and lighter than the
original... it looks like (apart from stability issues) you would only
need *one* of the official Claw's to hold an RV down. Of course, the
limiting factor is th strength of the soil that you nail these into! But
maybe for RVs you could get away with 6" nails?
Or maybe you could make it all out of Titanium? :-)
Of course, you would have to buy your own hammer ;-)
Frank
> Here's the triple spike system someone mentioned:
>
> http://www.theclaw.com/products/claw.php
Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online
at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL
(0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information
and make a good move to UCOL Universal College of
Learning.
Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your
future
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| Subject: | Alternator Belts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
Went shopping for an alternator belt today and couldn't find a local parts shop
that carried Gates. They all sold the same brand called Dayco Top Cog. My question
has to do with belt quality. These belts have a ribbed back. When I
questioned the fact that less material may make them less durable, the response
was they were more durable since the ribs made them more flexible and they ran
cooler.
What is the skinny on belt quality/durability? Is this for real or just a way
to sell cheap belts to a naive belt buyer, like me?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: OSH tie-downs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Randy Simpson <airtime@proaxis.com>
At 07:39 PM 3/16/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
>
>Scott Bilinski wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>>
>>So what are the best tie-downs for OSH?
>>
>>
>>Scott Bilinski
>>Eng dept 305
>>Phone (858) 657-2536
>>Pager (858) 502-5190
>>
>
>Here's the triple spike system someone mentioned:
>
>http://www.theclaw.com/products/claw.php
>
>Just some Mississippi good ol' boys tryin' to make a livin'.
>
>Give 'em a call; we need the money down here. :-)
>
>Charlie
>(no financial ties to them)
---------------
Listers, here's a little story.
Since I make a living making titanium Ti-downs for airplanes, I'm always
interested in other types of aircraft Tie-downs.
I first heard about "the claw" this past year while at the Arlington, WA
fly-in.
While wandering around, looking at all the cool planes, I met Bruce
Bohannan and "The Flying Tiger".
I'm sure most of you have heard about this record-breaking pilot and his
HIGHLY modified RV-4.
http://www.pilotjournal.com/content/2003/septoct/images/tiger/plane.jpg
The Tiger was tied down with the wimpy, weak doggie tie-downs.
Being the kidder I am, I began to tease Bruce about him holding his awesome
plane down with such crummy tie-downs.
Bruce explained to me that he has a really good tie-down kit called "the
claw", but didn't have them with him because he didn't have space in his
plane to carry them, and they were HEAVY (8 lbs).
Of course, I had to show him my titanium Ti-downs. He checked to see if the
Ti-down kit would fit in his little glovebox sized cargo compartment, and
yep, they fit easily in there.
I offered to give him a kit, but he declined because he didn't know if the
owner of the Flying Tiger had an exclusive deal with the maker of "the
claw", as they had given him the kit.
We chatted for a while, and discovered that we both were planning to be at
OshKosh in a coulple of weeks, and he'd talk to the Tiger's owner to see if
he could use my Ti-downs.
At OshKosh, I wandered around and finally found the Exxon display, Flying
Tiger, Bruce, and the Tiger's owner (sorry, I can't remember his name at
the moment).
Yep, it'd be no problem if Bruce used my Ti-downs, so I gave him a kit, and
they gave me 3 Flying Tiger T-shirts.
A little later the same day, while wandering around the vendor displays, I
came across the guy (Bill Alexander) selling "the claw"...
At first, I just looked at them, with enough interest for him to hold up a
kit for me to see closer, and he informed me that they "only weigh 8 lbs,
complete". I was kinda biting my lip, trying to decide if I should tell him
who I was. I was wearing a "Flying Tiger" T-shirt that Bruce had given me,
and Bill pointed at the picture on my shirt and said "that plane uses "the
claw"...
I shoulda just kept my mouth shut, but I blurted out "not anymore", before
I could stop myself. I kicked myself later for saying that.
Bill wanted to know what I meant by "not anymore", so I told him Bruce was
using my titanium Ti-downs now.
I let Bill know that Bruce spoke highly of his "claw", but he just didn't
have room to carry them. Bill told me that he had alot of people tell him
as they walked by that they already had some great titanium Ti-downs they'd
bought at OshKosh the year before.
We chatted pleasantly for another 10-15 minutes before I wished him well
with his business and moved on. I did see quite a few of his "claw" kits
holding down planes there, so I know he did sell some.
There are some other Tie-down kits available...
Fly-ties is one...(6 lb. kit)
http://www.flyties.com/airplanes.htm
Screw its, is another...and pretty cheap...(weight unknown)
http://www.mcp.com.au/screwits/
I personally think my titanium Ti-downs are the World's Best aircraft
Tie-downs, but like I said in an earlier message, I'm biased.
Keep on flying, and make sure you anchor your plane good, no matter what
system you use.
Sincerely,
Randy Simpson
Airtime Mfg.
http://www.airtimemfg.com
p.s. When I met Bruce Bohannan at Arlington, he happend to be chatting with
my all-time hero...Bob "Hurricane" Hannah, multi time National motocross
champion and past unlimited Reno air racer...
I got to hang out with Bob, and while eating lunch, he told me a great
story of his experience of almost losing his Piper Supercub in a sneak
windstorm (due to it not being tied down) while hunting rockchucks on a
mesa out in the boonies...he went totally nuts over my Ti-downs, and now
has a kit in his plane at all times...
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| Subject: | some questions from a new guy |
From: "ed \240" <ed_88@hotmai...
--> RV-List message posted by: "ed " <ed_88@hotmail.com>
After about a year of lurking and considering I am getting real closing
to ordering an rv-8a kit. Although before I take the plunge I was hoping for
a little advice.
1) How do I find find builders in the seattle area? If I join eaa, will
the web page tell me there to go to meet other builders? From reading the
various web builde's logs out there, it looks like knowiing others is vital
to building a top quality kit.
2) How long should I expect to spend building a quickbuild rv-8a? I
have built various rc models, and consider myself OK with mechanical things.
However I have never worked with sheet metal or riviting before.
3) Would you consider the emp kit a good way to see if I am cut out for
home building?
4) I've never actually flown in an rv before. I assume it makes sense
to go to the factory and get a demo flight? Is there anything else I should
do while I am down there?
Sorry for the long list of questions, but I am getting real close to
placing an order :)
--Eddie
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