---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/20/04: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:18 AM - Re: stick/rudder lock (Jim Sears) 2. 03:36 AM - Re: Tandem vs SBS Seating (Bob U.) 3. 04:49 AM - Re: Workshop to paint shed conversion (BrooksRV6@webtv.net (Chris Brooks)) 4. 05:14 AM - Re: Drilling rivets (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 5. 05:26 AM - Re: RV-7 Rudder Question (vansrv4grvmj) 6. 05:30 AM - Making your own ELT antenna (lucky macy) 7. 07:38 AM - Re: stick/rudder lock (Dave Bristol) 8. 07:38 AM - Re: RV-7 Rudder Question (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 9. 07:41 AM - Re: stick/rudder lock (Jeff Dowling) 10. 07:43 AM - Re: Tandem vs SBS Seating (Jeff Dowling) 11. 07:49 AM - Re: Making your own ELT antenna (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 12. 07:49 AM - Re: RV-7 Rudder Question (Trainnut01@aol.com) 13. 07:54 AM - Re: stick/rudder lock (Jeff Dowling) 14. 07:57 AM - Re: RV-7 Rudder Question (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 15. 08:00 AM - Re: Making your own ELT antenna (RV8ter@aol.com) 16. 08:35 AM - Re: Making your own ELT antenna (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 17. 08:40 AM - Re: Making your own ELT antenna (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 18. 10:10 AM - Anywhere Map Discussion Board (John) 19. 10:13 AM - online Canadian airport guide? (Dan Checkoway) 20. 12:16 PM - Garmin 296 color GPS (Robin Wessel) 21. 02:46 PM - Re: Garmin 296 color GPS (Jerry Springer) 22. 03:11 PM - Re: Anywhere Map Discussion Board (Sam Buchanan) 23. 03:35 PM - Re: Garmin 296 color GPS (Stein Bruch) 24. 03:38 PM - Elevator horns? () 25. 04:47 PM - Re: Elevator horns? (Dan Checkoway) 26. 04:49 PM - Re: Tandem vs SBS Seating (Bob U.) 27. 05:34 PM - Altrak/Digitrak servo solution (N67BT@aol.com) 28. 06:58 PM - Re: Elevator horns? (Doug Weiler) 29. 07:00 PM - Compass Screw (Francis Malczynski) 30. 08:17 PM - Re: online Canadian airport guide? (Steve & Denise) 31. 08:35 PM - Re: Elevator horns? (Allen Fulmer) 32. 10:47 PM - Re: online Canadian airport guide? (Tedd McHenry) 33. 10:53 PM - Re: online Canadian airport guide? (Tedd McHenry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:32 AM PST US From: Jim Sears Subject: Re: RV-List: stick/rudder lock --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears > How about running a bungee from the stick to one of the rudder pedals? > > It seems like it should work. > When I first took Scooter to the airport, I thought of many ways of doing it. I finally decided that using the seat belt around the stick was perfect. I have foam rubber grips for bicycles on my sticks; so, there is plenty of grabbing ability in them. I just wrap the belt around the grip and nudge it up a little. I've never had the belt fall off of the stick, even in really bad wings. As for the rudder, I took a piece of 2"X2" (I think) scrap angle stock, cut it narrow enough to fit from the rudder lock to the rudder stop. I drilled a hole through the flat portion of the angle and the stop. I drilled through the verticle portion and the rudder horn. A couple of 1", or less, AN3 bolts put me in business. It's a solid lock that takes just seconds to remove and install. I tighten the AN365 nuts finger tight so I can remove them with my fingers. Neither has come off from movement, yet. Actually, one could make one from 1/16" stock and would be just fine. It doesn't take that much to hold one in place. Jim ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:18 AM PST US From: "Bob U." Subject: Re: RV-List: Tandem vs SBS Seating --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." > >I would love an RV-3 to just play around locally, but other than that, I >prefer to see my passenger ( and all the other benefits that may come with >that :). > >Jeff Dowling > To each his own, but the majority of my RV-3 flying is not "playing around". I use my RV-3 almost excusiviely as a fast and serious cross country machine. A second seat would normally go to waste, ESPECIALLY TANDEM. P.S. I fly multi-place airplanes to "play around" with passengers. :-) Bob - flying on a very meager retirement budget Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:49 AM PST US From: BrooksRV6@webtv.net (Chris Brooks) Subject: Re: RV-List: Workshop to paint shed conversion --> RV-List message posted by: BrooksRV6@webtv.net (Chris Brooks) I framed a temporary wall in one bay of my garage and lined the walls, ceiling, and floor with plastic sheeting purchased in 10X100 foot rolls. I have 3-3tube 8ft fluorescent lights on the ceiling (9 tubes total) and an 8ft 2-tube light mounted horizontally on each side wall. You can't have too much light and sometimes I'd use a shop light to get a better look. No matter how bright it looks in there that will change when the paint starts flying. At one end of the booth I mounted 6 pleated furnace filters to filter the incoming air. The more filters you use the less restriction, and Your plastic won't try to suck in as bad or pull as much dirt in around it. Don't tape the floor plastic down or it will lift, and you may have to wet it with some water to keep your shoes from sticking. At the other end I built a large box from waferboard. Inside it is a 3000 CFM squirrel cage blower. At the back of the box is a 25 foot 12" flexible furnace duct that I drag outside. The opening of the box holds 2 -25X25 fiberglass furnace filters side by side (pleated filters would plug up with paint too fast at the exit). I started out using the exit filters 2 deep (4filters) but after some experimentation switched to 3 filters deep (6filters). On a related note, Clay Magic will remove Acrylic Urethane overspray from your wifes pearl red Eldorado. You want to pull your exit air low because the Overspray settles. Some people use box fans but I couldn't get the airflow I desired with them. You'll need a table, shelf or something in the booth to set your stuff on so you don't have to run outside to refill your gun. If you haven't bought a paint gun yet consider a gravity feed that can use cup liners. They will spray upside down. I use a Neoterik supplied air hood respirator. It's a pain fighting with the hose but it beats breathing paint. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:44 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Drilling rivets --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Rob, I developed the same technique you described also. It is the best way to remove a bent or miss-bucked rivet. I became an expert at drilling out rivets when I started my project! In fact I think I drilled out more rivets than I kept. The problem with drilling out rivets is that the hole has been enlarged by the rivet shank expanding against it. Each time you put a new rivet in the same hole the hole gets bigger, even if you drill it out perfectly. I think as your riveting skill improves, you'll find that you won't have to use the skill you developed at drilling out the rivets! Just my $.02 worth. Dan RV-7A N766DH (almost done) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:25 AM PST US From: "vansrv4grvmj" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Rudder Question --> RV-List message posted by: "vansrv4grvmj" Hi Dan, the new rudder has the 16 thou skins. Follow instructions carefully for the trailing edge and you'll end up with a perfectly straight trailing edge. You can also cheat a little and use a lenght of steel angle, drill through every hole through the angle, and partially set the rivets in between. Marcel RV7 ~71481 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:04 AM PST US From: "lucky macy" rv8list@yahoogroups.com Subject: RV-List: Making your own ELT antenna --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" I'd like to make a custom ELT antenna to fit under my VS. The King antenna is too long so instead of cutting it down I thought I'd save it for my UHF comm needs later on. I saw an example of a copper strip bonded to the inside of the empennage fairing and somehow made to work with the supplied ELT antenna cable. I don't know how he supported the BNC connector but would rather avoid doing it that way alltogether. I searched through ACS online and even wrote them an email asking for some lengths of possible pre-made ELT replacement antennas and received no reply. It's been a few days so I don't think that's going anywhere. So why not just make one myself too out of soft SS like the stock antenna? As I looked into it I even considered using the telescoping antenna which comes with the ELT since it also already had a BNC adapter on the bottom but that would mean modifiying the base of the antenna to be mountable to the mini-bulkhead just in front of the Horisontal Stab. The telescoping antenna isn't meant for that. I could try to mount it using clamps to keep it in place and away from touching anything but would rather not. Anyone have a web site showing a solution to this or otherwise have a simple solution idea? It's duplicating the threaded base of the antenna which I can't seem to find a supply for. thanks in advance, lucky MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:59 AM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: stick/rudder lock --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Jeff, Since the rudder is cable operated, you have to push on the pedals to lock the rudder not pull. Dave Jeff Dowling wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > >How about running a bungee from the stick to one of the rudder pedals? > >It seems like it should work. > >Jeff Dowling >RV-6A, N915JD >58 hours >Chicago/Louisville > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jason Sneed" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: stick/rudder lock > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed >> >>I use a bungee with clips on both ends run it around the stick to hold >>a full aft-right position. Bought a container of bungees from home depo >>for $4. I clip to the back of the seat or anywhere I see fit. >> >>JS >> >> >>On Mar 18, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Ross Mickey wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" >>> >>>This works for the elevators but what about the rudder? >>> >>>Ross >>>N9PT >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>>> >>>> >>>>For .49 cents, get a new, white PVC elbow from the hardware >>>>store and put a piece of old safety belt webbing on one end. >>>>A 16 to 18 inch piece of webbing (Loews and Home Depo also >>>>has this webbing) screwed with some washers to one end of the >>>>elbow is all it takes. Slip the other end of the elbow ever >>>>the passenger stick (top) and loop the real aircraft >>>>passenger safety belt thru the elbow belt webbing, snug the >>>>real safety belt (after latching). (Takes less time to do >>>>this then it took to read this >>>>blather.....) FWIW I found some orange webbing and used SS >>>>#10 screws.....looks good, weighs nothing, costs nothing and works. >>>> >>>> >>>_- >>>======================================================================= >>>_- >>>======================================================================= >>>_- >>>======================================================================= >>>_- >>>======================================================================= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Jason Sneed >>Commercial Lending Officer >>First National Bank and Trust >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:59 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Rudder Question --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com In a message dated 3/20/04 8:26:59 AM US Eastern Standard Time, vansrv4grvmj@btinternet.com writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "vansrv4grvmj" > > Hi Dan, > > the new rudder has the 16 thou skins. Follow instructions carefully for the > trailing edge and you'll end up with a perfectly straight trailing edge. You > can also cheat a little and use a lenght of steel angle, drill through every > hole through the angle, and partially set the rivets in between. > > Marcel > RV7 ~71481 > Marcel, Could you please clarify the last sentence? I understand that I should partially set all the rivets and check the straightness. I was going to use Proseal and perhaps a piece of hardwood for a straight edge with Clecos through the trailing edge into the hardwood. Then wait a few days for the Proseal to set, then rivet. I have also heard of alternating the direction of rivets to avoid warping the trailing edge. That makes sense. Thanks for the help, Dan RV-7A (second rudder) N766DH (almost done) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:31 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: stick/rudder lock --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I think Wheeler had a great point about not putting a lock on flight controls that could not be removed from the cockpit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sears" Subject: Re: RV-List: stick/rudder lock > --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears > > > > How about running a bungee from the stick to one of the rudder pedals? > > > > It seems like it should work. > > > > When I first took Scooter to the airport, I thought of many ways of doing > it. I finally decided that using the seat belt around the stick was > perfect. I have foam rubber grips for bicycles on my sticks; so, there is > plenty of grabbing ability in them. I just wrap the belt around the grip > and nudge it up a little. I've never had the belt fall off of the stick, > even in really bad wings. > > As for the rudder, I took a piece of 2"X2" (I think) scrap angle stock, cut > it narrow enough to fit from the rudder lock to the rudder stop. I drilled > a hole through the flat portion of the angle and the stop. I drilled > through the verticle portion and the rudder horn. A couple of 1", or less, > AN3 bolts put me in business. It's a solid lock that takes just seconds to > remove and install. I tighten the AN365 nuts finger tight so I can remove > them with my fingers. Neither has come off from movement, yet. Actually, > one could make one from 1/16" stock and would be just fine. It doesn't take > that much to hold one in place. > > Jim > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:34 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tandem vs SBS Seating --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" No offense Bob. I mentioned the 3 because its a centerline machine and is supposed to be the most fun to fly. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob U." Subject: Re: RV-List: Tandem vs SBS Seating > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." > > > > > >I would love an RV-3 to just play around locally, but other than that, I > >prefer to see my passenger ( and all the other benefits that may come with > >that :). > > > >Jeff Dowling > > > > To each his own, but the majority of my RV-3 flying is not "playing around". > I use my RV-3 almost excusiviely as a fast and serious cross country > machine. > A second seat would normally go to waste, ESPECIALLY TANDEM. > > P.S. > I fly multi-place airplanes to "play around" with passengers. :-) > > > Bob - flying on a very meager retirement budget > > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:27 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Making your own ELT antenna --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Lucky, I have done some testing on the ELT antenna under the fiberglass fuselage empennage fairing, and have found that that is a really poor place for an ELT antenna. Antennas are greatly affected by metal objects near them. Of course, it will work to some extent, but your range will be severely compromised. No one wants to put an antenna out in the 200 MPH breeze, but that is the best place for them -- electrically. Compromises must be made in lots of cases. I have been a ham radio operator for over 40 years and have tried lots of antennas, and have a pretty good feel for what works and what doesn't. I hate to think of myself as an authority on the subject, though. I am hoping to get some agreement from those on the List who are more expert than I am. As they say: IMHO. Dan K9WEK RV-7A (almost done) --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" > > > I'd like to make a custom ELT antenna to fit under my VS. The King antenna > is too long so instead of cutting it down I thought I'd save it for my UHF > comm needs later on. > > I saw an example of a copper strip bonded to the inside of the empennage > fairing and somehow made to work with the supplied ELT antenna cable. I > don't know how he supported the BNC connector but would rather avoid doing > it that way alltogether. > > I searched through ACS online and even wrote them an email asking for some > lengths of possible pre-made ELT replacement antennas and received no reply. > > It's been a few days so I don't think that's going anywhere. > > So why not just make one myself too out of soft SS like the stock antenna? > As I looked into it I even considered using the telescoping antenna which > comes with the ELT since it also already had a BNC adapter on the bottom but > > that would mean modifiying the base of the antenna to be mountable to the > mini-bulkhead just in front of the Horisontal Stab. The telescoping antenna > > isn't meant for that. I could try to mount it using clamps to keep it in > place and away from touching anything but would rather not. > > Anyone have a web site showing a solution to this or otherwise have a simple > > solution idea? It's duplicating the threaded base of the antenna which I > can't seem to find a supply for. > > thanks in advance, > lucky > > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE > download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:27 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Rudder Question --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com Dan I drilled my rudder trailing edge to a 2x6. Then, when I squeezed the rivets, I started from the middle and worked toward the top and bottom simultaneously while alternating the direction of rivet insertion. The trailing edge is perfectly straight and no sealer was used. I ran this by Van's after the fact and they approve. Carroll RV-7A Wings ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:08 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: stick/rudder lock --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Well that makes sense. How bout both pedals? I'll give it a try later. Jeff Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: stick/rudder lock > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol > > Jeff, > > Since the rudder is cable operated, you have to push on the pedals to > lock the rudder not pull. > > Dave > > Jeff Dowling wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > > > >How about running a bungee from the stick to one of the rudder pedals? > > > >It seems like it should work. > > > >Jeff Dowling > >RV-6A, N915JD > >58 hours > >Chicago/Louisville > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jason Sneed" > >To: > >Subject: Re: RV-List: stick/rudder lock > > > > > > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed > >> > >>I use a bungee with clips on both ends run it around the stick to hold > >>a full aft-right position. Bought a container of bungees from home depo > >>for $4. I clip to the back of the seat or anywhere I see fit. > >> > >>JS > >> > >> > >>On Mar 18, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Ross Mickey wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" > >>> > >>>This works for the elevators but what about the rudder? > >>> > >>>Ross > >>>N9PT > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>For .49 cents, get a new, white PVC elbow from the hardware > >>>>store and put a piece of old safety belt webbing on one end. > >>>>A 16 to 18 inch piece of webbing (Loews and Home Depo also > >>>>has this webbing) screwed with some washers to one end of the > >>>>elbow is all it takes. Slip the other end of the elbow ever > >>>>the passenger stick (top) and loop the real aircraft > >>>>passenger safety belt thru the elbow belt webbing, snug the > >>>>real safety belt (after latching). (Takes less time to do > >>>>this then it took to read this > >>>>blather.....) FWIW I found some orange webbing and used SS > >>>>#10 screws.....looks good, weighs nothing, costs nothing and works. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_- > >>>======================================================================= > >>>_- > >>>======================================================================= > >>>_- > >>>======================================================================= > >>>_- > >>>======================================================================= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Jason Sneed > >>Commercial Lending Officer > >>First National Bank and Trust > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:47 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Rudder Question --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Carroll, Thanks for the advice. I may forgo the Proseal, or maybe put on a real thin layer and rivet immediately so it can't cause problems. Dan RV-7A (almost done) In a message dated 3/20/04 10:50:13 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Trainnut01@aol.com writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com > > Dan > I drilled my rudder trailing edge to a 2x6. Then, when I squeezed the > rivets, > I started from the middle and worked toward the top and bottom > simultaneously > while alternating the direction of rivet insertion. The trailing edge is > perfectly straight and no sealer was used. I ran this by Van's after the > fact and > they approve. > Carroll > RV-7A Wings > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:21 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Making your own ELT antenna --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com Thanks for the reply. I understand the theory of what you are saying and it's implications. I guess I should have said in my original email that I don't give a rats butt about making the signal as strong as possible. I am not an ELT proponent and I have zero trust in the ELT. I am not counting on it to help me out. For me, it has more value as a counterweight to my angle valve engine. I have another portable yaesu titanium cased triband hand held and my cell phone which I have a LOT more faith in to help me should the need arise. This discussion could drag out and end up in quite a long diatribe and flame war and I'm not personally interested in hearing from any of it. I think ELTs should be a personal choice. End of discussion for me. lucky less is usually more do not archive In a message dated 3/20/2004 10:50:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, Hopperdhh@aol.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Lucky, I have done some testing on the ELT antenna under the fiberglass fuselage empennage fairing, and have found that that is a really poor place for an ELT antenna. Antennas are greatly affected by metal objects near them. Of course, it will work to some extent, but your range will be severely compromised. No one wants to put an antenna out in the 200 MPH breeze, but that is the best place for them -- electrically. Compromises must be made in lots of cases. I have been a ham radio operator for over 40 years and have tried lots of antennas, and have a pretty good feel for what works and what doesn't. I hate to think of myself as an authority on the subject, though. I am hoping to get some agreement from those on the List who are more expert than I am. As they say: IMHO. Dan K9WEK RV-7A (almost done) --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" > > > I'd like to make a custom ELT antenna to fit under my VS. The King antenna > is too long so instead of cutting it down I thought I'd save it for my UHF > comm needs later on. > > I saw an example of a copper strip bonded to the inside of the empennage > fairing and somehow made to work with the supplied ELT antenna cable. I > don't know how he supported the BNC connector but would rather avoid doing > it that way alltogether. > > I searched through ACS online and even wrote them an email asking for some > lengths of possible pre-made ELT replacement antennas and received no reply. > > It's been a few days so I don't think that's going anywhere. > > So why not just make one myself too out of soft SS like the stock antenna? > As I looked into it I even considered using the telescoping antenna which > comes with the ELT since it also already had a BNC adapter on the bottom but > > that would mean modifiying the base of the antenna to be mountable to the > mini-bulkhead just in front of the Horisontal Stab. The telescoping antenna > > isn't meant for that. I could try to mount it using clamps to keep it in > place and away from touching anything but would rather not. > > Anyone have a web site showing a solution to this or otherwise have a simple > > solution idea? It's duplicating the threaded base of the antenna which I > can't seem to find a supply for. > > thanks in advance, > lucky > > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE > download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:12 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Making your own ELT antenna --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Lucky, I agree. I have an IO-360 and a Hartzell up front too. I'm afraid it may take more than an ELT to hold the tail down! Anyway, I didn't want to start a fight either. To answer your original question, use a piece of copper foil tape about 22 1/4 inches long taped or glued to the fiberglass as far as you can get it from any aluminum. Actually, you could use a copper wire epoxied to the fairing as well. Insulation on the wire doesn't matter. Feed it with 50 ohm coax (RG-58 from Radio Shack). Solder the center conductor to the end of the foil or wire and ground the braid with the shortest connection possible to the airframe. This will work as well as anything mounted in the tail. All this is assuming that you want it in the fuselage to horizontal and vertical stab fiberglass fairing. Regards, Dan RV-7A (almost done) I have zero trust in the ELT. I am not counting on it to help me out. For > > me, it has more value as a counterweight to my angle valve engine. I have > another portable yaesu titanium cased triband hand held and my cell phone > which I > have a LOT more faith in to help me should the need arise. This discussion > could drag out and end up in quite a long diatribe and flame war and I'm not > > personally interested in hearing from any of it. > > I think ELTs should be a personal choice. End of discussion for me. > > lucky > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:23 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Making your own ELT antenna --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com CORRECTION. 23.11 inches is the theoretical length of a 1/4 wave antenna at 121.5 MHz. In a message dated 3/20/04 11:36:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Hopperdhh@aol.com writes: > > Lucky, > > I agree. I have an IO-360 and a Hartzell up front too. I'm afraid it may > take more than an ELT to hold the tail down! Anyway, I didn't want to start > a > fight either. > > To answer your original question, use a piece of copper foil tape about 22 > 1/4 inches long taped or glued to the fiberglass as far as you can get it > from > any aluminum. Actually, you could use a copper wire epoxied to the fairing > as > well. Insulation on the wire doesn't matter. Feed it with 50 ohm coax > (RG-58 > from Radio Shack). Solder the center conductor to the end of the foil or > wire and ground the braid with the shortest connection possible to the > airframe. > This will work as well as anything mounted in the tail. All this is > assuming > that you want it in the fuselage to horizontal and vertical stab fiberglass > fairing. > > Regards, > Dan > RV-7A (almost done) > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:43 AM PST US From: "John" Subject: RV-List: Anywhere Map Discussion Board FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS --> RV-List message posted by: "John" DO NOT ARCHIVE - DELETE AS ONLY TANGENTIALLY RELATED TO RV'S Has Control Vision permanently dropped their discussion board? It was 'unavailable' for many days now. I know quite a few RV'ers use the Anywhere Map and participate in the discussion board, and thought someone might know what's going on. Thanks. John ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:54 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: online Canadian airport guide? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Is there an equivalent to www.airnav.com for Canadian airports? I don't need all the bells & whistles, just the basic airport info, FBO info, etc. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:51 PM PST US From: "Robin Wessel" Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296 color GPS --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" Attention gadget geeks- Got an e-mail from Pacific Coast Avionics previewing the new Garmin 296, a color version of the 196. price: $1,699 --- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:37 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296 color GPS --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Robin Wessel wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" > > Attention gadget geeks- > > Got an e-mail from Pacific Coast Avionics previewing the new Garmin 296, > a color version of the 196. > > price: $1,699 > > > > Makes the 295 a good deal at $1099. They also have reduced the price of the Garmin lll pilot to $399 which does not make me happy as I just bought one from them last month at $499. http://www.pca.aero/default.asp?ptype=GPS Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:18 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Anywhere Map Discussion Board --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan John wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "John" > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE - DELETE AS ONLY TANGENTIALLY RELATED TO RV'S > > Has Control Vision permanently dropped their discussion board? It was > 'unavailable' for many days now. I know quite a few RV'ers use the Anywhere > Map and participate in the discussion board, and thought someone might know > what's going on. Thanks. > > John John, I just checked the AWM forums and they are up and running; I've looked at them a couple of times in the past few days and they have worked fine. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:27 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296 color GPS --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Or the Bendix/King Skyforce/Skymap IIIc..... which you can routinely get on the internet for $750-1000.00. And, the b/w 196 can be had for $850 or less also. I'm not particularly biased, but I have a skymap in one RV6, and the Garmin 196 in the other. Both have their pro's and con's, but I really like the colored Skymap's larger display and terrain info! That being said, the 296 looks pretty cool! I'll have to check it out at OSH where there's bound to be deals! Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296 color GPS Makes the 295 a good deal at $1099. They also have reduced the price of the Garmin lll pilot to $399 which does not make me happy as I just bought one from them last month at $499. http://www.pca.aero/default.asp?ptype=GPS Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:01 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Elevator horns? --> RV-List message posted by: Hello everyone, I just fit up my elevators today and don't know if I have a problem or not. I clamped my elevators in trail just as the manual says, but the elevator horns don't match up perfect. The left elevator horn is slightly lower and the horns are a little out of line fore and aft, I can line everything up by using my hands and slightly moving the horns. Is this normal or are my elevators a little out of wack. Any advice would be greatly appreciated Thanks Kirk RV-8 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:18 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator horns? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Par for the course. Mine were like that, too. Drill 'em where they are, with the elevators clamped in trail (use a digital protractor if you're anal), and it'll all work out fine. 8-) )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Elevator horns? > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Hello everyone, > I just fit up my elevators today and don't know if I have a problem or not. I clamped my elevators in trail just as the manual says, but the elevator horns don't match up perfect. The left elevator horn is slightly lower and the horns are a little out of line fore and aft, I can line everything up by using my hands and slightly moving the horns. Is this normal or are my elevators a little out of wack. Any advice would be greatly appreciated > Thanks > Kirk RV-8 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:28 PM PST US From: "Bob U." Subject: Re: RV-List: Tandem vs SBS Seating --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." Jeff Dowling wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > >No offense Bob. I mentioned the 3 because its a centerline machine and is >supposed to be the most fun to fly. > Absolutely no offense was taken, Jeff. My intent was strictly to point out that the RV-3 is a competent, fast and efficient cross country machine as well as a blast to fly around the patch. Especially, if one is on a very meager beer budget and no one hankers to tag along. While I'm on the soapbox.... IMO, centerline seating is much ado about nuthin'. I own an RV3 because it sold for nearly half the price of an equivalent already built RV-4, fit my mission and pocketbook precisely. When it comes to conserving funds: - one really can enjoy or learn to enjoy, a bare bones RV as Van first conceived it.... and get to the $100 hamburger joint on $50 or less. :-) Bob Do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:38 PM PST US From: N67BT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Altrak/Digitrak servo solution --> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com OK, I have the Altrak and Digitrak autopilots. I have the same concerns regarding bolt safety as other listers. My servos are the same for both units. Here's my solution -- for piece of mind: Drill out the threaded mounting holes to accommodate an AN3-12 (or 13) bolt. That would be a no. 12 or 3/16" drill. Mount the servo using these bolts, a washer on the motor side (this captivates the socket head screw), and a fiber lock nut. This also safeties the mounting bolts. This is what I'm going to do. It may not be wise regarding TruTrak warrantee issues, but what the hay, it's my butt. Bob Trumpfheller http://users.aol.com/n67bt ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:16 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator horns? --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" > > Hello everyone, > I just fit up my elevators today and don't know if I have a problem or not. I clamped my elevators in trail just as the manual says, but the elevator horns don't match up perfect. The left elevator horn is slightly lower and the horns are a little out of line fore and aft, I can line everything up by using my hands and slightly moving the horns. Is this normal or are my elevators a little out of wack. Any advice would be greatly appreciated > Thanks > Kirk RV-8 Very common on these airplanes. Had the same issue on my RV-4. I ended up matching the elevator horns fairly close (they are off slightly). The trailing edge of my elevators are off slightly also (probably 3/16"). Airplane flies perfect. Doug Weiler RV-4, 105 hours, rebuilding new canopy and havin' fun!! ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:01 PM PST US From: "Francis Malczynski" Subject: RV-List: Compass Screw --> RV-List message posted by: "Francis Malczynski" While on a long cross country, the only mechanical problem we experienced was a screw falling out of our vans Pedestal Mount Northern Hemisphere compass, Part Number = IF CM-24L. This is the screw that is behind the flip up tab that holds the light bulb in place and is used to secure the compass bezel to the compass. Can anyone tell me what size this screw is so I can try and find a replacement? Needless to say Ive searched all over the inside of the plane to find the original, but no luckThanks Fran Malczynski RV-6 N594EF Olcott, NY ebbfmm@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:07 PM PST US From: "Steve & Denise" Subject: Re: RV-List: online Canadian airport guide? --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" Aeroplanner has Canadian airports. Check it out Eh! http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/aptsel.cfm Steve RV7A 55 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: online Canadian airport guide? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > Is there an equivalent to www.airnav.com for Canadian airports? I don't > need all the bells & whistles, just the basic airport info, FBO info, etc. > > do not archive > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:50 PM PST US From: "Allen Fulmer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Elevator horns? --> RV-List message posted by: "Allen Fulmer" Just did mine tonight and noticed the same "problem". Don't think it matters when you consider the geometry of the setup. Allen Fulmer Empennage almost finished! N808AF reserved ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:21 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: online Canadian airport guide? --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry A lot of Canadian airports are in airnav.com, but many of the smaller ones aren't. Be sure to use the full, 4-letter ICAO identifier (e.g. CYVR for Vancouver). Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:47 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: online Canadian airport guide? --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry Whoops, sorry. I was mixing up airnav.com with the Great Circle Mapper (http://gc.kls2.com/). The Mapper has some Canadian airports, but I don't think Airnav does. --- Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC DO NOT ARCHIVE