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1. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Bleeding brakes (Bob U.)
2. 05:22 AM - S & F Fuel Stop? (Eric Parlow)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: Bleeding brakes (Cy Galley)
4. 08:17 AM - Re: Brake Reservoir (Ken Brooks)
5. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Bleeding brakes (Bob)
6. 08:33 AM - F-7110 Control Stick Boot Plates (jacklockamy@att.net)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Bleeding brakes (Pat Perry)
8. 08:47 AM - Re: Cylinder Work... (Bill VonDane)
9. 08:57 AM - STS Loran Manual Needed (PGLong@aol.com)
10. 09:04 AM - Re: Cylinder Work... (Bill VonDane)
11. 09:41 AM - Rude Pilot (Mickey & Paula)
12. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Bleeding brakes (Cy Galley)
13. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Bleeding brakes (Gary Zilik)
14. 10:55 AM - Re: Rude Pilot (Gary Zilik)
15. 11:21 AM - Re: Rude Pilot (Randy Lervold)
16. 11:35 AM - Re: Rude Pilot (Bill VonDane)
17. 11:42 AM - SNF (Bill VonDane)
18. 11:54 AM - Inaccurate trim servo indicator (Tim Coldenhoff)
19. 12:05 PM - Re: Rude Pilot (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
20. 01:00 PM - Re: Rude Pilot (Gary Zilik)
21. 01:18 PM - bleeding brakes (Wheeler North)
22. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Bleeding brakes (Bob U.)
23. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: Bleeding brakes (Richard Tasker)
24. 01:42 PM - HELP! Airflow Performance F.I. & Van's Cowl (Rick Fogerson)
25. 01:43 PM - Re: Rude Pilot (Bob U.)
26. 02:04 PM - Re: Rude Pilot (lucky macy)
27. 04:15 PM - Re: 2 planes in one hangar? (Wayne R. Couture)
28. 04:19 PM - Re: STS Loran Manual Needed (David Burton)
29. 04:28 PM - Wiring Conduits (Skylor Piper)
30. 04:36 PM - Vertical stabilizer fit to aft bulkhead (Jim Pekin)
31. 05:01 PM - Re: Wiring Conduits (GLCole5475@aol.com)
32. 05:19 PM - Re: Rude Pilot (Evan and Megan Johnson)
33. 07:14 PM - Re: 2 planes in one hangar? (Cy Galley)
34. 08:00 PM - Re: Inaccurate trim servo indicator (Dave Bristol)
35. 09:18 PM - looking for rv6 rudder (steve dinieri)
36. 09:31 PM - Apollo ACU Manuals (Mark Taylor)
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
From studying http://www.cyclebrakes.com/Accessories.htm,
it sure looks like Cy Galley knows of what he speaks.
Trust his pearls of wisdom and save yourself 20 bucks + S&H.
Bob - "top posting" is bassackwards posting.
Do not archive
C. Rabaut wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
>I dis-agree.
>It seems to me that the motorcycle hydraulic brakes system is set up almost
>identical to our system, especially those of us who have installed the
>reservoir on the master cylinder.
>
> Chuck
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Cy Galley <cgalley@QCBC.ORG>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Bleeding brakes
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>>
>>Unfortunately, those check ball bleeder screws are set up to pump fluid
>>
>>
>out
>
>
>>of the wheel cylinder top by pressure from the master cylinder.
>>
>>Aircraft bleeder valves on the other hand are installed in the bottom of
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>cylinder and the fluid must be pumped in the opposite direction into the
>>bottom up thru the master cylinder.
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | S & F Fuel Stop? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
Heading to S & F tonight.
Can anyone recommend a fuel stop/camping around Waycross, GA (AYS)?
ERic--
GodSpeed Aviation
RV-8A
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
First and foremost these "plugs" are METRIC. They won't fit your aircraft
brakes.
Second, they are designed to let out the air under pressure from the master
cylinder.
Third, because of the longer vertical rise of aircraft systems, most fill
and bleed from the wheel cylinder up.
Fourth, There are two locations for fittings. Generally the bottom is the
valve or plug, the top the brake line. As air rises in the brake fluid, the
air has to be forced out the top. If you reverse the positions, (tapped
hole is the same) you will trap air in the brake line instead of the wheel
cylinder. As it is, forcing the brake fluid up pushes the air up into the
large master cylinder reservoir.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Bleeding brakes
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
>
> It shouldn't matter should it? The spring hold the check ball in place so
> why would the orientation matter? Do you think the air would be reluctant
> to release with the bleeder pointed down? Is that why it's recommended to
> use the oil can method? Haven't done it on an RV yet so I don't have any
> experience.
>
> *** -----Original Message-----
> *** From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> *** [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cy Galley
> *** Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:10 PM
> *** To: rv-list@matronics.com
> *** Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Bleeding brakes
> ***
> ***
> *** --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> ***
> *** Unfortunately, those check ball bleeder screws are set up
> *** to pump fluid out of the wheel cylinder top by pressure
> *** from the master cylinder.
> ***
> *** Aircraft bleeder valves on the other hand are installed in
> *** the bottom of the cylinder and the fluid must be pumped in
> *** the opposite direction into the bottom up thru the master cylinder.
> ***
> ***
> *** ----- Original Message -----
> *** From: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
> *** To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> *** Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Bleeding brakes
> ***
> ***
> *** > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Nellis" <mike@bmnellis.com>
> *** >
> *** > Here's something that might work for one person brake
> *** bleeding. At
> *** > $10/ea it might be an interesting investment.
> *** > http://www.cyclebrakes.com/Accessories.htm middle of the page.
> *** >
> *** > Mike Nellis
> *** > RV-6 Fuselage N699BM
> *** > 1947 Stinson 108-2 NC9666K
> *** > http://bmnellis.com
> *** >
> *** > *** -----Original Message-----
> *** > *** From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> *** > *** [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> *** > Galati
> *** > *** Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:27 AM
> *** > *** To: jpoint@mindspring.com; rv-list@matronics.com
> *** > *** Subject: RV-List: Re: Bleeding brakes
> *** > ***
> *** > ***
> *** > *** --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
> *** > ***
> *** > *** Jeff,
> *** > ***
> *** > *** I hear what you are saying, and have repeatedly used the
> *** > *** same procedure you outlined using a dedicated ACT
> *** > *** pressurized brake bleeder and allowing the reservoir fluid
> *** > *** to overflow into a jar. My problem is that several days to
> *** > *** a week or more later, those vexing air bubbles reappear
> *** > *** and collect at the high point in the loops of the dual
> *** > *** brake line system no matter what I do. Both left and right
> *** > *** brake lines are effected. I have cycled the brakes during
> *** > *** the bleeding process, l've used relatively high pressure,
> *** > *** low pressure, but always making sure the lines and overflow
> *** > *** are absolutely bubble free before I stop the process. Sure
> *** > *** enough, after a period of time passes, usually after
> *** > *** several days, the bubbles reappear. The brakes *seem* okay
> *** > *** when I depress them, the bubbles merely migrate a bit when
> *** > *** I depress the petals, but I have no way to judge brake
> *** > *** effectiveness until real world taxi tests. I would sure
> *** > *** like to see no bubbles at all in the lines at any time,
> *** > *** what am I overlooking.......thoughts?
> *** > ***
> *** > *** Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
> *** > ***
> *** > ***
> *** > *** A trick which was shown to me by an old A&P: get a
> *** hardware store
> *** > *** pressure oil can and some 1/4 OD plastic tube. Attach the
> *** > *** can (full of
> *** > *** brake juice) with the tube to the brake bleeder screw.
> *** > *** Attach a fitting
> *** > *** w/ another tube to the reservoir, and run the tube into a
> *** > *** jar. Open the
> *** > *** bleed screw and pump the oil can until the fluid
> *** comes out at the
> *** > *** reservoir end. Keep pumping until you are satisfied
> *** the air is out
> *** > *** (which is easy to check- just tighten the bleed screw and
> *** > *** try the brakes
> *** > *** w/out disconnecting the apparatus.) Easy to do, and
> *** > *** requires only one
> *** > *** person. Just check the overflow jar once in a while, and
> *** > *** don't let the
> *** > *** oil can run dry.
> *** > ***
> *** > *** Jeff Point
> *** > *** RV-6 14 hours
> *** > *** Milwaukee
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Reservoir |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
While I am not yet flying <8-( , I solved the brake reservoir:firewall
clearance problem by putting a blue 90 degree fitting on the master cylinder
and then attached the individual reservoir directly to the fitting. The
reservoirs are thus closer together for ease of bleeding, and clearance with
the firewall was improved. I get significant brake pedal deflection prior
to firewall contact in the last (most forward) hole on the adjustable rudder
pedal slide tube. Even then, it is the top of the brake pedal and not the
reservoir itself that makes contact. A narrow strip of protective rubber at
this contact point should scratch-proof the firewall. With well-bled
brakes, I suspect that braking begins with very little toe-pedal deflection.
Hopefully, my theory will prove correct upon ground/flight testing. Photo
available on request if you respond privately.
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
RV-8 Eng & Elec
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <rv3@comcast.net>
Cy Galley wrote:
>First and foremost these "plugs" are METRIC. They won't fit your aircraft
>brakes.
>
Tsk, tsk.
Never say.... WON'T. :-)
There are some extremely talented doods here whose specialty is making
square pegs fit round holes.
Bob - painless bottom posting and TRIMMING advocate
Do not archive
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| Subject: | F-7110 Control Stick Boot Plates |
--> RV-List message posted by: jacklockamy@att.net
Any CNC machinists on the list set up/able to make a couple of F-7110 plates?
On my -7A QB kit, the floor plates are installed and already have the nut-plates
riveted making it virtually impossible to match drill the F-7110 plate(s).
I know the measurements are provided on the plans, but I'd like to have them CNC's
rather than rely on my 'abilities'. Hey, that's why I went with the QB Kits...just
can't figure out why Van's didn't provide them in the kit!
If anyone knows where I can get a couple of F-7110 plates, please let me know.
Jack
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
I've been fighting the same issue in my RV-4. The original bleed out worked
great and I had no air at all in the system. During the fly-off time I had
a brake line problem that required the left line to be refit. From that
point on I could not get the small air bubble out of the high point. This
did cause some additional softness in the pedal but only noticeable while
the other was still air free. I have since made a routing change to the
right side and subsequently got a small amount of air in the right side that
won't bleed out.
Both sides are even and the brakes are firm and responsive enough. I was
planning on adding a brass coupling with a bleeder tap to the high point on
both sides during the next annual to allow for future bleeding.
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>From: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: jpoint@mindspring.com, rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: Bleeding brakes
>Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
>
>Jeff,
>
>I hear what you are saying, and have repeatedly used the same procedure you
>outlined using a dedicated ACT pressurized brake bleeder and allowing the
>reservoir fluid to overflow into a jar. My problem is that several days to
>a week or more later, those vexing air bubbles reappear and collect at the
>high point in the loops of the dual brake line system no matter what I do.
>Both left and right brake lines are effected. I have cycled the brakes
>during the bleeding process, l've used relatively high pressure, low
>pressure, but always making sure the lines and overflow are absolutely
>bubble free before I stop the process. Sure enough, after a period of time
>passes, usually after several days, the bubbles reappear. The brakes
>*seem* okay when I depress them, the bubbles merely migrate a bit when I
>depress the petals, but I have no way to judge brake effectiveness until
>real world taxi tests. I would sure like to see no bubbles at all in the
>lines at any time, what am I
> overlooking.......thoughts?
>
>Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
>
>
>A trick which was shown to me by an old A&P: get a hardware store
>pressure oil can and some 1/4 OD plastic tube. Attach the can (full of
>brake juice) with the tube to the brake bleeder screw. Attach a fitting
>w/ another tube to the reservoir, and run the tube into a jar. Open the
>bleed screw and pump the oil can until the fluid comes out at the
>reservoir end. Keep pumping until you are satisfied the air is out
>(which is easy to check- just tighten the bleed screw and try the brakes
>w/out disconnecting the apparatus.) Easy to do, and requires only one
>person. Just check the overflow jar once in a while, and don't let the
>oil can run dry.
>
>Jeff Point
>RV-6 14 hours
>Milwaukee
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder Work... |
rv8list@yahoogroups.com, vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone ever heard of these guys? ...have anything good or bad to say about them?
http://www.dongeorgeaircraft.com/cylinder.htm
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
Subject: Cylinder Work...
Any recommendations on where to send my cylinders?
I need an exhaust port welded on one, new exhaust guides in 3, seats ground and
a light hone on all 4...
Oh, and did I mention I'm on a budget? ;)
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | STS Loran Manual Needed |
OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com, ExperimentalAvionics@yahoogroups.com
--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
I have an STS Loran, 120 MC that I don't have a manual for. Does anyone have
one I could borrow long enough to make a copy? I'll pay for all postage. STS
is out of business and of no help. Thanks in advance for your help.
Pat Long
PGLong@aol.com
N120PL
RV4 Ready to paint
Bay City, Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder Work... |
rv8list@yahoogroups.com, vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone have any idea how much a cylinder weighs??
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
Subject: Re: Cylinder Work...
Anyone ever heard of these guys? ...have anything good or bad to say about them?
http://www.dongeorgeaircraft.com/cylinder.htm
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
Subject: Cylinder Work...
Any recommendations on where to send my cylinders?
I need an exhaust port welded on one, new exhaust guides in 3, seats ground and
a light hone on all 4...
Oh, and did I mention I'm on a budget? ;)
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula" <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
I'd like to relate a story about an RV6A pilot on his way from Oregon to the Sun
& Fun Fly-in, who landed at our airport on Tuesday April 14, 2004. Seems he
had problems with the alternator on his RV6A and made an unplanned stop here
in Rock Springs WY to do repairs.
A friend at the airport saw his predicament and called me since I am building
an RV6. I went to the airport with my new still in the box alternator expecting
to offer it to him as a courtesy to a fellow RV builder. Turns out it was
only a connector that he needed. When I arrived at the airport and approached
the gentleman, he immediately started talking about how the residents of Rock
Springs couldn't be smart enough to finish high school. All attempts to speak
with this gentleman were met with rude replies. After listening to a few of
his curt replies to our attempt at conversation, I knew I wouldn't be offering
him any of my parts and walked away.
I now have a new respect for Van's Aircraft for the courtesy I always receive
every time I speak to them on the phone either with a question or to place an
order. How they keep their pleasant manner after dealing with people like this
guy amazes me.
Sincerely,
Mickey Martin
RV6 builder
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
O.K. If you are bound and determined to use an item that is NOT necessary.
Buy the smallest diameter. Get a NPT plug that fits the casting of the brake
calipher. Then drill, machine seat for the valve. The tap it for the metric
threads using the proper metric bottom tap. After you are all done, it is
still setup for a top down pressure fill. This may or may not easily work.
KISS is better idea so that everyone that ever works on your plane finds the
simple standard system.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <rv3@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Bleeding brakes
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bob <rv3@comcast.net>
>
>
> Cy Galley wrote:
>
> >First and foremost these "plugs" are METRIC. They won't fit your aircraft
> >brakes.
> >
>
> Tsk, tsk.
>
> Never say.... WON'T. :-)
> There are some extremely talented doods here whose specialty is making
> square pegs fit round holes.
>
>
> Bob - painless bottom posting and TRIMMING advocate
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
If the dual brake setup is plumbed as per Van's drawings the fluid path
is; Fluid Reservoir - PAX master cylinders - Pilot master cylinders -
brakes. If the bubbles reside between the line between the Pax and Pilot
master cylinders then the pilots side is not effected by the bubbles as
they are on the supply side of the cylinder. They do effect the Pax side
since the bubbles are between the master and slave cylinders and thus
create a spongy pedal.
Gary Zilik
GMC wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@uniserve.com>
>
>
>
>
>>I hear what you are saying, and have repeatedly used the same procedure
>>
>>
>you
>
>
>>outlined using a dedicated ACT pressurized brake bleeder and allowing the
>>reservoir fluid to overflow into a jar. My problem is that several days to
>>
>>
>a
>
>
>>week or more later, those vexing air bubbles reappear and collect at the
>>
>>
>high
>
>
>>point in the loops of the dual brake line system no matter what I do.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>>Rick Galati RV-6A "finishing"
>>
>>
>>
>
>Relax Gents
>
>Dual brakes on my 6A. During first filling I had no bubbles, then when
>drained for servicing and subsequent refill there was no way to eliminate
>the bubbles. I believe that is due to the slippery residue inside the lines,
>the brake fluid goes around the bubbles leaving them at the high spots.
>
>I tried regular oil can filling, pressure pot refilling from bottom and also
>tried a vacuum pump at reservoir with suction filling from below, no way
>could I eliminate seeing bubbles in brake line. Maybe I should paint the
>lines black to avoid seeing bubbles!
>
>Anyway my brakes have operated satisfactorily with bubbles at the high spots
>for 260+ hrs.
>
>George in Langley
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
Yeah, you really gotta watch them 6A drivers ;-)
Gary Zilik
RV-6A
Mickey & Paula wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula" <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
>
>I'd like to relate a story about an RV6A pilot on his way from Oregon to the
Sun & Fun Fly-in, who landed at our airport on Tuesday April 14, 2004. Seems he
had problems with the alternator on his RV6A and made an unplanned stop here
in Rock Springs WY to do repairs.
>
> A friend at the airport saw his predicament and called me since I am building
an RV6. I went to the airport with my new still in the box alternator expecting
to offer it to him as a courtesy to a fellow RV builder. Turns out it was
only a connector that he needed. When I arrived at the airport and approached
the gentleman, he immediately started talking about how the residents of Rock
Springs couldn't be smart enough to finish high school. All attempts to speak
with this gentleman were met with rude replies. After listening to a few of
his curt replies to our attempt at conversation, I knew I wouldn't be offering
him any of my parts and walked away.
>
> I now have a new respect for Van's Aircraft for the courtesy I always receive
every time I speak to them on the phone either with a question or to place an
order. How they keep their pleasant manner after dealing with people like this
guy amazes me.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Mickey Martin
>
>RV6 builder
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Mickey,
As a resident of the Portland, Oregon area, and V.P. of Chapter 105, let me
apologize on this fella's behalf. Of course I have no idea who it was, but
there are lots of -6As in our area. Fortunately this kind of behavior is
quite rare, and I hope he wasn't one of ours.
Yours,
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 368 hrs, sold
RV-3B, empennage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey & Paula" <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
Subject: RV-List: Rude Pilot
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula"
<mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
>
> I'd like to relate a story about an RV6A pilot on his way from Oregon to
the Sun & Fun Fly-in, who landed at our airport on Tuesday April 14, 2004.
Seems he had problems with the alternator on his RV6A and made an unplanned
stop here in Rock Springs WY to do repairs.
>
> A friend at the airport saw his predicament and called me since I am
building an RV6. I went to the airport with my new still in the box
alternator expecting to offer it to him as a courtesy to a fellow RV
builder. Turns out it was only a connector that he needed. When I arrived
at the airport and approached the gentleman, he immediately started talking
about how the residents of Rock Springs couldn't be smart enough to finish
high school. All attempts to speak with this gentleman were met with rude
replies. After listening to a few of his curt replies to our attempt at
conversation, I knew I wouldn't be offering him any of my parts and walked
away.
>
> I now have a new respect for Van's Aircraft for the courtesy I always
receive every time I speak to them on the phone either with a question or to
place an order. How they keep their pleasant manner after dealing with
people like this guy amazes me.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mickey Martin
>
> RV6 builder
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Yeah, they're all a bunch of....
Anyway, Gary... I was cleaning up around the shop and found your baffle
templates! :)
-Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Zilik" <zilik@excelgeo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rude Pilot
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
Yeah, you really gotta watch them 6A drivers ;-)
Gary Zilik
RV-6A
Mickey & Paula wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula"
<mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
>
>I'd like to relate a story about an RV6A pilot on his way from Oregon to
the Sun & Fun Fly-in, who landed at our airport on Tuesday April 14, 2004.
Seems he had problems with the alternator on his RV6A and made an unplanned
stop here in Rock Springs WY to do repairs.
>
> A friend at the airport saw his predicament and called me since I am
building an RV6. I went to the airport with my new still in the box
alternator expecting to offer it to him as a courtesy to a fellow RV
builder. Turns out it was only a connector that he needed. When I arrived
at the airport and approached the gentleman, he immediately started talking
about how the residents of Rock Springs couldn't be smart enough to finish
high school. All attempts to speak with this gentleman were met with rude
replies. After listening to a few of his curt replies to our attempt at
conversation, I knew I wouldn't be offering him any of my parts and walked
away.
>
> I now have a new respect for Van's Aircraft for the courtesy I always
receive every time I speak to them on the phone either with a question or to
place an order. How they keep their pleasant manner after dealing with
people like this guy amazes me.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Mickey Martin
>
>RV6 builder
>
>
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hey... Where's all the love Sun-n-Fun coverage!?
-Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Inaccurate trim servo indicator |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Coldenhoff <rv9a_000@deru.com>
My aileron trim indicator seems to be grossly inaccurate.
When the servo is centered, the RP3 LED indicator shows the
second LED from the right lit. Also, the rate of change for
the LEDs is very non-linear with respect to the actual servo
position.
I swapped the elevator and aileron indicators and saw the same
thing, so it must be the servo's internal position sensor that
is a tad flaky.
Anybody else seen this problem?
--
Tim Coldenhoff
www.deru.com/~rv9a
90338 - electrical/finishing
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Hi Randy,
May I ask why you sold an 8 to build a 3?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rude Pilot
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> Mickey,
>
> As a resident of the Portland, Oregon area, and V.P. of Chapter 105, let
me
> apologize on this fella's behalf. Of course I have no idea who it was, but
> there are lots of -6As in our area. Fortunately this kind of behavior is
> quite rare, and I hope he wasn't one of ours.
>
> Yours,
> Randy Lervold
> RV-8, 368 hrs, sold
> RV-3B, empennage
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mickey & Paula" <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Rude Pilot
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula"
> <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
> >
> > I'd like to relate a story about an RV6A pilot on his way from Oregon
to
> the Sun & Fun Fly-in, who landed at our airport on Tuesday April 14, 2004.
> Seems he had problems with the alternator on his RV6A and made an
unplanned
> stop here in Rock Springs WY to do repairs.
> >
> > A friend at the airport saw his predicament and called me since I am
> building an RV6. I went to the airport with my new still in the box
> alternator expecting to offer it to him as a courtesy to a fellow RV
> builder. Turns out it was only a connector that he needed. When I arrived
> at the airport and approached the gentleman, he immediately started
talking
> about how the residents of Rock Springs couldn't be smart enough to finish
> high school. All attempts to speak with this gentleman were met with rude
> replies. After listening to a few of his curt replies to our attempt at
> conversation, I knew I wouldn't be offering him any of my parts and walked
> away.
> >
> > I now have a new respect for Van's Aircraft for the courtesy I always
> receive every time I speak to them on the phone either with a question or
to
> place an order. How they keep their pleasant manner after dealing with
> people like this guy amazes me.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Mickey Martin
> >
> > RV6 builder
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
Don't thow em away. I'll come pick them up one of these days
Bill VonDane wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>Yeah, they're all a bunch of....
>
>Anyway, Gary... I was cleaning up around the shop and found your baffle
>templates! :)
>
>-Bill
>do not archive
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Zilik" <zilik@excelgeo.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Rude Pilot
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
>
>Yeah, you really gotta watch them 6A drivers ;-)
>
>Gary Zilik
>RV-6A
>
>Mickey & Paula wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula"
>>
>>
><mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
>
>
>>I'd like to relate a story about an RV6A pilot on his way from Oregon to
>>
>>
>the Sun & Fun Fly-in, who landed at our airport on Tuesday April 14, 2004.
>Seems he had problems with the alternator on his RV6A and made an unplanned
>stop here in Rock Springs WY to do repairs.
>
>
>>A friend at the airport saw his predicament and called me since I am
>>
>>
>building an RV6. I went to the airport with my new still in the box
>alternator expecting to offer it to him as a courtesy to a fellow RV
>builder. Turns out it was only a connector that he needed. When I arrived
>at the airport and approached the gentleman, he immediately started talking
>about how the residents of Rock Springs couldn't be smart enough to finish
>high school. All attempts to speak with this gentleman were met with rude
>replies. After listening to a few of his curt replies to our attempt at
>conversation, I knew I wouldn't be offering him any of my parts and walked
>away.
>
>
>>I now have a new respect for Van's Aircraft for the courtesy I always
>>
>>
>receive every time I speak to them on the phone either with a question or to
>place an order. How they keep their pleasant manner after dealing with
>people like this guy amazes me.
>
>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Mickey Martin
>>
>>RV6 builder do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
bleeding brakes downhill is harder but it can be done. Done it hundreds of
times both ways. If its a tall system then it isn't very easy though.
I have gotten the bubble out many times but it would then reappear after
acro. It would eventually get big enough to make the right seat MCs fail
I finally replaced the MC upper orings on the left seat side and the problem
went away.
I don't know how it can leak air in but no fluid out????
Some things just aren't ex-plane-able.
I have no idea why you would want to climb into the wheel well to sevice the
fluid level though. That would suck. The remote reservior is a very nice
feature compared to that.
W
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
HUH!?!?!!?
I'm not bound and determined to do anything. I've no intention of ever
using this dumb and bassackwards $10 each bleeder thingy that will not
work for our aviation purposes. FWIW... my brakes are fine and easily bled.
Could it be my penchant for bottom posting has lead to this
mis-communication?
Nah....
Bob
Do not archive
===============================
Cy Galley wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>O.K. If you are bound and determined to use an item that is NOT necessary.
>Buy the smallest diameter. Get a NPT plug that fits the casting of the brake
>calipher. Then drill, machine seat for the valve. The tap it for the metric
>threads using the proper metric bottom tap. After you are all done, it is
>still setup for a top down pressure fill. This may or may not easily work.
>
>KISS is better idea so that everyone that ever works on your plane finds the
>simple standard system.
>
>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
>Editor, EAA Safety Programs
>cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
>
>Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob" <rv3@comcast.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Bleeding brakes
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <rv3@comcast.net>
>>
>>
>>Cy Galley wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>First and foremost these "plugs" are METRIC. They won't fit your aircraft
>>>brakes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Tsk, tsk.
>>
>>Never say.... WON'T. :-)
>>There are some extremely talented doods here whose specialty is making
>>square pegs fit round holes.
>>
>>
>>Bob - painless bottom posting and TRIMMING advocate
>>
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
If you insist on using them, better would be to get the ones that fit.
I received this email answer from the originally referenced source:
We can get them but they are not currently in stock, for HD they are either
1/4x28 for older models and 3/8x24 for newer.
To complete your order we will need...
ORDER INFORMATION:
Bike Info and parts desired.
Name & Phone Number
Credit Card Number (Visa/MC)
Shipping address and Billing address (where Card statements are sent) must
be the same.
This quote is good for two weeks. We make every attempt to ship same day and
we're located in southern California. You may call toll-free 1-800-805-2118,
e-mail, fax, mail, or use pay pal to order. Remember to provide all the
info above including day-time phone.
C.O.D. and Pay Pal customers must ask for complete quote including shipping
charges. C.O.D. is additional $7 charge and must be cashier's check or money
order (no personal checks). Pay Pal must be a "confirmed address", go to
www.paypal.com and use the 'Send Money' tab and enter our account
'sales@cyclebrakes.com'.
Thanks for your request,
take care,
Melissa
Phone: (805)671-5010, Toll-free ordering: 1-800-805-2118
Fax: (805) 671-5002
sales@cyclebrakes.com
www.cyclebrakes.com
You may have to fib a little (I don't know what their attitude is regarding use
on airplanes) about your "vehicle".
Dick Tasker, RV9A #90573
Cy Galley wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>O.K. If you are bound and determined to use an item that is NOT necessary.
>Buy the smallest diameter. Get a NPT plug that fits the casting of the brake
>calipher. Then drill, machine seat for the valve. The tap it for the metric
>threads using the proper metric bottom tap. After you are all done, it is
>still setup for a top down pressure fill. This may or may not easily work.
>
>KISS is better idea so that everyone that ever works on your plane finds the
>simple standard system.
>
>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
>Editor, EAA Safety Programs
>cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
>
>Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot
>
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"RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | HELP! Airflow Performance F.I. & Van's Cowl |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
Hi RV-3'ers,
I'm having trouble figuring out the best way to mount the FI so it is most compatible
with Van's cowls and scoops (haven't ordered yet). Sorry for the lengthy
description.
First I tried API's 90 elbow attached to sump and the FI mounted to the elbow in
a horizontal position. API's filtered air system (a Y pipe that lets you choose
ram air or filtered air with a butterfly valve) then mounts to the front of
FI. I would prefer this but the FI with Y pipe is very far forward and the
mixture lever is so low it doesn't appear to me to be workable.
The only other thing I can think to try is mounting the FI directly to the sump
in a vertical position. However, this appears to lead to three choices for installing
the throttle/mixture levers each with their own problems: 1) install
both levers on the left side of the FI (opposite from throttle linkages) with
throttle lever down and mix lever up. 2) same as 1) only mixture lever down but
with the throttle lever outboard an additional 1/2 inch to avoid conflict with
the lever cables. 3) the throttle lever on the linkage side (right) which
still requires an additional offset outboard of about 1/2 inch to avoid conflict
with the linkages.
What has been successful for those installing API fuel injection on an RV-3?
Thanks, Rick Fogerson
RV-3 (last 90%)
Boise, ID
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
Dr. Kevin P. Leathers wrote:
>Hi Randy,
>
>May I ask why you sold an 8 to build a 3?
>Doc
>
Some of us prefer only the very best. :-)
Bob - RV3 owner/pilot
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
me too which is why I obviously got the 8
do not archive
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rude Pilot
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
Dr. Kevin P. Leathers wrote:
>Hi Randy,
>
>May I ask why you sold an 8 to build a 3?
>Doc
>
Some of us prefer only the very best. :-)
Bob - RV3 owner/pilot
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 2 planes in one hangar? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
I currently own a C-150 and I'm sharing a hangar with an RV-8. The hangar
is 46' wide and 36' deep. Of course there's plenty of room but my wing will
not clear the canopy of the 8 so someone is going to have to move both
planes to get there's out!
Wayne
Do not archive
PS We split the hangar rent of $100.00 per month!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: 2 planes in one hangar?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> Im wondering if my little low wing 6a would fit in a "standard" hangar
with a small-ish high wing, ie c150 or 172. The place I would like to keep
her is in Schaumburg, about 5 miles from ORD, and has a waiting list of
about 3 billion years. If it would fit, Im planning on approaching one of
the current renters with an offer he cant refuse :)
>
> Jeff Dowling
> RV-6a/ 52 hours
> Chicago/ Louisville
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: STS Loran Manual Needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
Tropic Aero used to sell STS and they may still have the information you are
looking for since they were still doing repairs on these...
http://www.tropicaero.com/index.cfm
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--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
List,
I'm considering using 1/2" and/or 3/4" .016 or .020
wall aluminum tubing for wing and fuselage wire
conduits in my RV-8. I was considering this over the
plastic conduit that Van's sells for several reasons;
1. It's heat/flame resistant. 2. It offers some
additional shielding. 3. It's still light.
I'm curious what comments people have about this, and
specifically if there's any good reasons why I should
not use thin wall aluminum tube for wire conduits.
Thanks,
Skylor
RV-8 QB
Under Construction
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Vertical stabilizer fit to aft bulkhead |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Pekin" <jpekin@hartconstruction.net>
I'm trying to fit the vert stab on my 7 QB
The horiz legs of the longerons and the aft deck project 3/32" aft past
the aft face of the f-712 bulkhead.
Is the aft spar of the VS is supposed to fit flush w/ the 712 bulkhead
and bolt to the up elev stop?
Should I shim the back face of 712 bulkhead? Should I trim the longerons
and aft deck?
Thanks, Jim Pekin
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring Conduits |
--> RV-List message posted by: GLCole5475@aol.com
I used 2 smaller (5/16) tubing. One for the landing and position lights and
the other for the strobe wires.
I agree with your reasoning about weight and strength of the aluminum instead
of plastic.
That may be too conservative (using two smaller ones), but I don't like the
idea of having that high voltage for the strobes any closer to any other wire
than is necessary.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Hey Randy...when you get to the tanks on your 3B let me know... I would
enjoy that one :) I had a 3 kit for a while but it was such a basket case I
had to let it go. I ended up with the opposite end of the spectrum in RV
world...RV10
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rude Pilot
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> Mickey,
>
> As a resident of the Portland, Oregon area, and V.P. of Chapter 105, let
me
> apologize on this fella's behalf. Of course I have no idea who it was, but
> there are lots of -6As in our area. Fortunately this kind of behavior is
> quite rare, and I hope he wasn't one of ours.
>
> Yours,
> Randy Lervold
> RV-8, 368 hrs, sold
> RV-3B, empennage
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mickey & Paula" <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Rude Pilot
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula"
> <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
> >
> > I'd like to relate a story about an RV6A pilot on his way from Oregon
to
> the Sun & Fun Fly-in, who landed at our airport on Tuesday April 14, 2004.
> Seems he had problems with the alternator on his RV6A and made an
unplanned
> stop here in Rock Springs WY to do repairs.
> >
> > A friend at the airport saw his predicament and called me since I am
> building an RV6. I went to the airport with my new still in the box
> alternator expecting to offer it to him as a courtesy to a fellow RV
> builder. Turns out it was only a connector that he needed. When I arrived
> at the airport and approached the gentleman, he immediately started
talking
> about how the residents of Rock Springs couldn't be smart enough to finish
> high school. All attempts to speak with this gentleman were met with rude
> replies. After listening to a few of his curt replies to our attempt at
> conversation, I knew I wouldn't be offering him any of my parts and walked
> away.
> >
> > I now have a new respect for Van's Aircraft for the courtesy I always
> receive every time I speak to them on the phone either with a question or
to
> place an order. How they keep their pleasant manner after dealing with
> people like this guy amazes me.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Mickey Martin
> >
> > RV6 builder
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2 planes in one hangar? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Put a ramp under the 150's wheel on the 8 side.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: 2 planes in one hangar?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
<commando@cox-internet.com>
>
> I currently own a C-150 and I'm sharing a hangar with an RV-8. The hangar
> is 46' wide and 36' deep. Of course there's plenty of room but my wing
will
> not clear the canopy of the 8 so someone is going to have to move both
> planes to get there's out!
>
> Wayne
> Do not archive
> PS We split the hangar rent of $100.00 per month!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: 2 planes in one hangar?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Im wondering if my little low wing 6a would fit in a "standard" hangar
> with a small-ish high wing, ie c150 or 172. The place I would like to
keep
> her is in Schaumburg, about 5 miles from ORD, and has a waiting list of
> about 3 billion years. If it would fit, Im planning on approaching one of
> the current renters with an offer he cant refuse :)
> >
> > Jeff Dowling
> > RV-6a/ 52 hours
> > Chicago/ Louisville
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Inaccurate trim servo indicator |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Tim,
There is an adjustment on the indicator that is adjusted for full
deflection - it's mentioned in the installation instructions.
Dave Bristol
EAA Technical Counselor
Tim Coldenhoff wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Coldenhoff <rv9a_000@deru.com>
>
>My aileron trim indicator seems to be grossly inaccurate.
>
>When the servo is centered, the RP3 LED indicator shows the
>second LED from the right lit. Also, the rate of change for
>the LEDs is very non-linear with respect to the actual servo
>position.
>
>I swapped the elevator and aileron indicators and saw the same
>thing, so it must be the servo's internal position sensor that
>is a tad flaky.
>
>Anybody else seen this problem?
>
>
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| Subject: | looking for rv6 rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve dinieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
Hangar rash has claimed the rudder on my rv6a. now rather than build a
new rudder (it'll take time from my rv-10 tail assembly) I'd love to buy
an assembled rudder. I'll travel up to several hours from the buffalo NY
area to get it. And I'll throw in lifetime scenic Niagara Falls guided
tours.....
Really I'm begging
Steve DiNieri
221RV
capsteve@adelphia.net
716.283.0123
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| Subject: | Apollo ACU Manuals |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Taylor" <mtaylo17@msn.com>
I bought a used ACU that came without any documentation. This is about the
only one you cannot download from Garmin's web site!
If anybody is going to SnF over the next days, and has an owner guide and an
install manual for one, I'd like to borrow it if at all possible. I'll be
there Friday and Saturday.
I am available on Family Band Radio at SnF on channel 7-2, or by cell phone
248 area code, then 722, then 0764...
Thanks in advance!
Mark Taylor
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