Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:44 AM - Re: Apollo ACU Manuals (Dan Checkoway)
2. 04:41 AM - Re: Cylinder Work... (Ronnie Brown)
3. 07:36 AM - Re: Rude Pilot (BRUCE GRAY)
4. 07:55 AM - O320 Parts... (Bill VonDane)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: looking for rv6 rudder (mark phipps)
6. 08:43 AM - Re: Rude Pilot (Bob)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: Wiring Conduits (Vince Himsl)
8. 10:44 AM - Re: Wiring Conduits (Skylor Piper)
9. 12:34 PM - Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 (alan@reichertech.com)
10. 12:40 PM - Dynon heated AOA pitot now available (Bartrim, Todd)
11. 01:00 PM - Stuff for sale! (Bill VonDane)
12. 01:04 PM - Re: [rv8list] Stuff for sale! (Bill VonDane)
13. 01:29 PM - Re: Wiring Conduits (Jamie Painter)
14. 02:36 PM - Las Vegas RVers (Travis Hamblen)
15. 04:08 PM - Re: Las Vegas RVers (Laird Owens)
16. 04:31 PM - Re: Wiring Conduits (Albert Gardner)
17. 06:35 PM - Re: Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 (Hal / Carol Kempthorne)
18. 06:43 PM - Re: Rude Pilot (WPAerial@aol.com)
19. 07:20 PM - Re: Wiring Conduits (Skylor Piper)
20. 07:35 PM - Re: Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 (Wayne R. Couture)
21. 07:57 PM - Re: Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 (Bobby Hester)
22. 10:06 PM - Re: Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 (Terry Watson)
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| Subject: | Re: Apollo ACU Manuals |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
It's made by Mid-Continent... http://www.mcico.com
You can download it there.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Taylor" <mtaylo17@msn.com>
<rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Apollo ACU Manuals
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Taylor" <mtaylo17@msn.com>
>
> I bought a used ACU that came without any documentation. This is about the
> only one you cannot download from Garmin's web site!
>
> If anybody is going to SnF over the next days, and has an owner guide and
an
> install manual for one, I'd like to borrow it if at all possible. I'll be
> there Friday and Saturday.
>
> I am available on Family Band Radio at SnF on channel 7-2, or by cell
phone
> 248 area code, then 722, then 0764...
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Mark Taylor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder Work... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>Anyone ever heard of these guys? ...have anything good or bad to say about them?
>http://www.dongeorgeaircraft.com/cylinder.htm
>-Bill
Don George is well known to the Velocity folks. Located in Orlando, he builds
many of the engines that power Velocities. I have an IO360 which was very nicely
built and documented, complete with magnaflux reports and yellow tags. I
now have 140 hours on it with NO problems.
Ronnie
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
Yes, It is true you have even rude people that enjoy flying these great
little airplanes. But has it occurred to you that the individual that you
encountered was some big shot with money that may have just purchased this
RV6A and has no idea about the labor love the rest of us enjoy by building
these airplane with our bare hands. Don't take it for granite that a lot of
RV's have been built and sold over the years and you are going to run into
more and more of these purchasers that may not share the same passion as
some. Truly a sad fact.
>From: "Mickey & Paula" <mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Rude Pilot
>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:40:31 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mickey & Paula"
><mimartin@sweetwaterhsa.com>
>
>I'd like to relate a story about an RV6A pilot on his way from Oregon to
>the Sun & Fun Fly-in, who landed at our airport on Tuesday April 14, 2004.
>Seems he had problems with the alternator on his RV6A and made an unplanned
>stop here in Rock Springs WY to do repairs.
>
> A friend at the airport saw his predicament and called me since I am
>building an RV6. I went to the airport with my new still in the box
>alternator expecting to offer it to him as a courtesy to a fellow RV
>builder. Turns out it was only a connector that he needed. When I arrived
>at the airport and approached the gentleman, he immediately started talking
>about how the residents of Rock Springs couldn't be smart enough to finish
>high school. All attempts to speak with this gentleman were met with rude
>replies. After listening to a few of his curt replies to our attempt at
>conversation, I knew I wouldn't be offering him any of my parts and walked
>away.
>
> I now have a new respect for Van's Aircraft for the courtesy I always
>receive every time I speak to them on the phone either with a question or
>to place an order. How they keep their pleasant manner after dealing with
>people like this guy amazes me.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Mickey Martin
>
>RV6 builder
>
>
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I may be in need of some serviceable parts for my O320, so if anyone has any
of these just laying around please let me know... Thanks!
1x - crank idler gear w/lobe - 75072
1x - crank idler gear - 74996
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: looking for rv6 rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
Steve, I have one here in Colorado if you are interested, 100 dollars plus shipping.
Mark Phipps
steve dinieri <capsteve@adelphia.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "steve dinieri"
Hangar rash has claimed the rudder on my rv6a. now rather than build a
new rudder (it'll take time from my rv-10 tail assembly) I'd love to buy
an assembled rudder. I'll travel up to several hours from the buffalo NY
area to get it. And I'll throw in lifetime scenic Niagara Falls guided
tours.....
Really I'm begging
Steve DiNieri
221RV
capsteve@adelphia.net
716.283.0123
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <rv3@comcast.net>
BRUCE GRAY wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
>
>Yes, It is true you have even rude people that enjoy flying these great
>little airplanes. But has it occurred to you that the individual that you
>encountered was some big shot with money that may have just purchased this
>RV6A and has no idea about the labor love the rest of us enjoy by building
>these airplane with our bare hands. Don't take it for granite that a lot of
>RV's have been built and sold over the years and you are going to run into
>more and more of these purchasers that may not share the same passion as
>some. Truly a sad fact.
>
I'm very hesitant to stereotype the buyer.... or builder community.
The rudest and nuttiest SOB I know is one helluva prolific builder.
He is on his 3rd aircraft and his second RV.
Best to steer clear of him anytime he has a tool in his hand. :-)
Bob - RV3 non builder and bottom poster
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Vince Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
Unnecessary extra work.
Vince
RV-8 Finish
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skylor Piper
Subject: RV-List: Wiring Conduits
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
List,
I'm considering using 1/2" and/or 3/4" .016 or .020
wall aluminum tubing for wing and fuselage wire
conduits in my RV-8. I was considering this over the
plastic conduit that Van's sells for several reasons;
1. It's heat/flame resistant. 2. It offers some
additional shielding. 3. It's still light.
I'm curious what comments people have about this, and
specifically if there's any good reasons why I should
not use thin wall aluminum tube for wire conduits.
Thanks,
Skylor
RV-8 QB
Under Construction
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--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
I'm not sure that I understand this comment! If I'm
going to install conduit anyway, I don't see how the
material makes any difference work wise, other than
having to alodine the aluminum.
--- Vince Himsl <vhimsl@turbonet.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vince Himsl"
> <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
>
> Unnecessary extra work.
>
> Vince
> RV-8 Finish
>
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| Subject: | Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com
All,
I was playing with the ePanel web site today, trying to get ideas on a
panel layout. I'm still on a fence about building either a -7 or a -8.
What I've found is that putting a good IFR panel in a -8 seems to be quite
difficult. Can "Those Who Have Done It" provide links to pictures of your
-8 panel so I can get some more ideas?
Thanks.
- Alan
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"'aeroelectric-list@matronics.com'" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Dynon heated AOA pitot now available |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
this week for the heated AOA pitot and plans to begin shipping next week.
I've ordered mine. I also currently have the PSS AOA system
installed so I can do some direct comparisons.
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B
RX-9endurance
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I need to pay for this damn engine overhaul somehow, so I have some stuff
for sale:
Whelen power supply and nav/strobe combo units...
PS Engineering 4 place stereo intercom...
http://www.vondane.com/forsale/index.htm#pm3000
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: [rv8list] Stuff for sale! |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Ooops, the link should be:
http://www.vondane.com/forsale/index.htm
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [rv8list] Stuff for sale!
I need to pay for this damn engine overhaul somehow, so I have some stuff
for sale:
Whelen power supply and nav/strobe combo units...
PS Engineering 4 place stereo intercom...
http://www.vondane.com/forsale/index.htm#pm3000
-Bill VonDane
EAA Tech Counselor
RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs
www.vondane.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
I am not an expert on this issue by any stretch of the imagination, but
have you considered the stress loads that will be placed on stiff aluminum
tubing while the wings are flexing while pulling G's? My first impression
would be that it would be best to have the soft conduit to reduce friction
and wear between the conduit and the ribs. Maybe this is an issue...maybe
it isn't...I don't know.
Just a thought from someone who has no clue... :-) (hey, at least I'm
self-aware)
Jamie
RV-7A, waiting on wings (should've ordered with emp kit!)
> List,
>
> I'm considering using 1/2" and/or 3/4" .016 or .020
> wall aluminum tubing for wing and fuselage wire
> conduits in my RV-8. I was considering this over the
> plastic conduit that Van's sells for several reasons;
> 1. It's heat/flame resistant. 2. It offers some
> additional shielding. 3. It's still light.
>
> I'm curious what comments people have about this, and
> specifically if there's any good reasons why I should
> not use thin wall aluminum tube for wire conduits.
>
> Thanks,
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Travis Hamblen" <TravisHamblen@cox.net>
I have an RV6A at VGT and I don't know a single person around the airport.
Was hoping to meet some other RV types, check out some projects, learn a
little, and hopefully fly a little. Although I'm not the builder of my
plane I will be starting some smaller projects soon and was hoping to find
some type of RV support group or other RVers in Las Vegas. I also go out of
town on business on a regular basis and was hoping to find some RVers or
people who are interested in RVs to keep an eye on mine, maybe fly it once
in a while when I'm out of town (I really don't like her to sit there
unused). I will soon be starting a couple projects and it would be really
cool to have other experienced people or like-minded people to call upon
every once in a while. Drop me an e-mail if you are in the Las Vegas area
and need a hand with your project, need a second opinion, or want to go for
a ride in a 6A sometime.
Travis Hamblen
N457DH RV-6A 335 hrs at VGT
TravisHamblen@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Las Vegas RVers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Travis,
You might get on with the SoCal RV bunch...we're not far away and
always have something going on.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCAL-RVlist/
Regards,
Laird RV-6
SoCal....Bahamas bound next week!:-)
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>--> RV-List message posted by: "Travis Hamblen" <TravisHamblen@cox.net>
>
>I have an RV6A at VGT and I don't know a single person around the airport.
>Was hoping to meet some other RV types, check out some projects, learn a
>little, and hopefully fly a little. Although I'm not the builder of my
>plane I will be starting some smaller projects soon and was hoping to find
>some type of RV support group or other RVers in Las Vegas. I also go out of
>town on business on a regular basis and was hoping to find some RVers or
>people who are interested in RVs to keep an eye on mine, maybe fly it once
>in a while when I'm out of town (I really don't like her to sit there
>unused). I will soon be starting a couple projects and it would be really
>cool to have other experienced people or like-minded people to call upon
>every once in a while. Drop me an e-mail if you are in the Las Vegas area
>and need a hand with your project, need a second opinion, or want to go for
>a ride in a 6A sometime.
>
>Travis Hamblen
>N457DH RV-6A 335 hrs at VGT
>TravisHamblen@cox.net
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring Conduits |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
No matter what you use for conduit it will only be supported where it passes
through the ribs and its only function is to contain and protect the wires
and to make it easier to add additional wires later on. I used thin wall 3/4
alum tube (10' = 1 lb.) others have used smaller alum; some pvc tube and
some used black plastic sprinkler tubing. Make sure the location you pick
for rigid tubing doesn't interfere with things like the bolts that pass
through the spar to hold the gas tanks on. I think weight is the largest
consideration.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
> I am not an expert on this issue by any stretch of the imagination, but
> have you considered the stress loads that will be placed on stiff aluminum
> tubing while the wings are flexing while pulling G's? My first impression
> would be that it would be best to have the soft conduit to reduce friction
> and wear between the conduit and the ribs. Maybe this is an issue...maybe
> it isn't...I don't know.
> Jamie
> RV-7A, waiting on wings (should've ordered with emp kit!)
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| Subject: | Re: Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Hey Alan,
Build whichever suits you otherwise. By the time you are ready to think
about the panel, the RV8 will be more than big enough. There is a
revolution taking place in instruments and avionics. Soon, two six inch
displays will be all you need. There are plenty of classical full fledged
IFR RV8s flying too.
Panel and engine are finishing touches. Build an airframe. Right now, you
are wasting time, get your tail kit and start riveting!
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
I am from Oregon. I hated to hear this man was from Oregon too. I had trouble
with my fuel cap last year in Rock Springs. Not a whole lot there. But the
young volunteer fire fighter that was running the whole air port did every
thing he could for me. We jerryriged it together and it got me all the way to
Sun-Fun. I hope I thanked him enough.
Remember we all have our good and bad days. You see them on the highways all
the time. I am sure some of these people have just had a long bad day and on
other days they could be just fine. My wife can't stand me some days. I don't
know why?
Jerry Wilken
Albany Or
RV6A 210 Hours
N699WP
Stop by any time. Need Help or a ride to eat, give a call 926-8316
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring Conduits |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
I'm planning on using even thinner wall tubing than
you did. 0.020 wall 3/4" tubing weighs about 9oz per
10 feet. I will probably use 1/2" and 3/8".
Thin wall tubing has enough flex to it, that it won't
produce any significant stress on the ribs when the
wings flex. In addition, I was planning to support
the tubes with plastic grommets.
I'm glad to see that I won't be the only one to use Al
tubing for conduit.
Skylor
RV-8QB
Under Construction
--- Albert Gardner <spudnut@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
> <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
>
> No matter what you use for conduit it will only be
> supported where it passes
> through the ribs and its only function is to contain
> and protect the wires
> and to make it easier to add additional wires later
> on. I used thin wall 3/4
> alum tube (10' = 1 lb.) others have used smaller
> alum; some pvc tube and
> some used black plastic sprinkler tubing. Make sure
> the location you pick
> for rigid tubing doesn't interfere with things like
> the bolts that pass
> through the spar to hold the gas tanks on. I think
> weight is the largest
> consideration.
> Albert Gardner
> RV-9A 872RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
> > I am not an expert on this issue by any stretch of
> the imagination, but
> > have you considered the stress loads that will be
> placed on stiff aluminum
> > tubing while the wings are flexing while pulling
> G's? My first impression
> > would be that it would be best to have the soft
> conduit to reduce friction
> > and wear between the conduit and the ribs. Maybe
> this is an issue...maybe
> > it isn't...I don't know.
> > Jamie
> > RV-7A, waiting on wings (should've ordered with
> emp kit!)
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
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>
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> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
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> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
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| Subject: | Re: Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
I had Ross cut out my 8 panel and he did a superb job. I managed to fit in
a KX-155 w/GS, KT-76A transponder, KMA-24 audio panel, 300XL GPS, the 6 pack
of flight gages, a wet compass, CDI, engine analyzer, clock, RPM and MP
gage's along with 8 switches and 18 circuit breakers. It's tight but it can
be done. See it at Ross Schlotthauer
E-mail Address(es):
ross@experimentalair.com
Wayne
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----- Original Message -----
From: <alan@reichertech.com>
Subject: RV-List: Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8
> --> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com
>
>
> All,
>
> I was playing with the ePanel web site today, trying to get ideas on a
> panel layout. I'm still on a fence about building either a -7 or a -8.
>
> What I've found is that putting a good IFR panel in a -8 seems to be quite
> difficult. Can "Those Who Have Done It" provide links to pictures of your
> -8 panel so I can get some more ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Alan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
alan@reichertech.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com
>
>
>All,
>
>I was playing with the ePanel web site today, trying to get ideas on a
>panel layout. I'm still on a fence about building either a -7 or a -8.
>
>What I've found is that putting a good IFR panel in a -8 seems to be quite
>difficult. Can "Those Who Have Done It" provide links to pictures of your
>-8 panel so I can get some more ideas?
>
>Thanks.
>
>- Alan
>
>
>
Check out the panel layout on this page, looks like plenty of run for
everything
http://www.acubedllc.com/Rev2Information.html
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| Subject: | Need links to panel pictures for -7 and -8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
I really think Hal is on the right track here. My RV-8A panel under
construction has a Blue Mountain EFIS/one with 2-1/4" airspeed, altimeter,
vertical velocity and turn and bank as backup, with room left for an audio
panel/marker beacon, SL-30 nav/com, and a Garmin transponder. There was
still room left for a second control panel for the EFIS/one right over the
throttle and my Garmin 196 on the upper right of the panel, in addition to
most of the switches, a few breakers, the ignition and starter switches, ELT
warning lights, a row of 8 misc. warning lights, the AoA indicator and a few
switches, jacks and indicators I forget at the moment. The BMA EFIS/one
takes a lot of space, but it replaces a whole lot of stuff, including all
the air data and attitude instruments plus a moving map plus all the engine
gauges you could ever want and the 2-axis autopilot controls and HITS
(Highway In The Sky) indicator. I spent a whole lot of time doing and
re-doing the arrangement in CAD and building prototypes, but it hasn't
changed for a month or so, so I'm about ready to have Todd cut the final
version for me. And I have room for one of those traffic warning boxes but
haven't decided for sure whether or which to do.
But it doesn't have room that I could find to have dual conventional
nav/coms, ADF, and a whole lot of other traditional IFR instrumentation.
Terry
RV-8A wiring
Seattle
-> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne
<kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Hey Alan,
Build whichever suits you otherwise. By the time you are ready to think
about the panel, the RV8 will be more than big enough. There is a
revolution taking place in instruments and avionics. Soon, two six inch
displays will be all you need. There are plenty of classical full fledged
IFR RV8s flying too.
Panel and engine are finishing touches. Build an airframe. Right now, you
are wasting time, get your tail kit and start riveting!
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now.
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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