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1. 12:10 AM - Re: Wiring Conduits (Bob U.)
2. 04:05 AM - Re: SNF (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
3. 07:17 AM - Landoll starter (Frazier, Vincent A)
4. 08:32 AM - S&F New 180hp Engines to use Mogas (Bill VonDane)
5. 09:08 AM - Las Vegas RV'ers (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
6. 11:23 AM - Re: Conditional Inspection (Bob)
7. 11:44 AM - Re: Conditional Inspection (Brian Denk)
8. 11:59 AM - Re: Conditional Inspection (Terry Watson)
9. 12:20 PM - Re: Conditional Inspection (Bill VonDane)
10. 02:11 PM - speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) (Dan Checkoway)
11. 02:51 PM - Re: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) (Scott Bilinski)
12. 03:17 PM - Re: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) (Jerry Springer)
13. 04:08 PM - Re: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) (Jeff Point)
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring Conduits |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
Jamie Painter wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
>
>I am not an expert on this issue by any stretch of the imagination, but
>have you considered the stress loads that will be placed on stiff aluminum
>tubing while the wings are flexing while pulling G's? My first impression
>would be that it would be best to have the soft conduit to reduce friction
>and wear between the conduit and the ribs. Maybe this is an issue...maybe
>it isn't...I don't know.
>
>Just a thought from someone who has no clue... :-) (hey, at least I'm
>self-aware)
>
>Jamie
>
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The Law of unintended consequences holds that almost all human actions
have at least one unintended consequence. In other words, each cause
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause> has more than one effect
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect>. Unintended consequences can be
both negative and positive. The most common kind of unintended
consequences arise from perverse incentives
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive>, a term for an
incentive <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incentive> that has the opposite
effect to that intended.
Bob
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
OK Bill- The WX is unbeatable, lots of RVs, and it really hacked me off we couldn't
look at the planes while the generic "airshow" was being rolled out...
Be hey, 51PW survived the arrival! 8-)
Mark Phillips - come on down! (and do not archive)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Guys,
FWIW, Mark Landoll is selling an aftermarket type starter that he says
is a bit under 10 pounds and $190. Similar to the B&C units. Call him
for more details at 405-685-0239 or 405-392-3847.
I have one of his alternators and like it.
Vince
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| Subject: | S&F New 180hp Engines to use Mogas |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Sun&Fun> NEW Superior 180hp engines to use mogas >
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/223-full.html#187103
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| Subject: | Las Vegas RV'ers |
--> RV-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
--> RV-List message posted by: "Travis Hamblen" <TravisHamblen@cox.net>
I have an RV6A at VGT and I don't know a single person around the airport.
Was hoping to meet some other RV types, check out some projects, learn a
little, and hopefully fly a little. Although I'm not the builder of my
plane I will be starting some smaller projects soon and was hoping to find
some type of RV support group or other RVers in Las Vegas. I also go out of
town on business on a regular basis and was hoping to find some RVers or
people who are interested in RVs to keep an eye on mine, maybe fly it once
in a while when I'm out of town (I really don't like her to sit there
unused).
*******
In the early '70's there was a very active EAA chapter in Las Vegas, built a
Breezy, was a member when I lived there while flying for USAEC. We met at what
was known as North Las Vegas Airport back then.
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: Conditional Inspection |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
I have searched and searched the archives and numerous web pages for a copy
of a annual conditional inspection. Can someone please let me know where I
can find a copy on the Web.
Thanks
Bob
RV6 Nightfighter
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| Subject: | Re: Conditional Inspection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>>I have searched and searched the archives and numerous web pages for a
>>copy
>of a annual conditional inspection. Can someone please let me know where I
>can find a copy on the Web.
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob
>RV6 Nightfighter
If you're an EAA member, you can get a basic version that can be tweaked to
suit your particular aircraft at:
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/inspection.html
It's really up to you to determine how to verify the airworthiness of your
RV. FAR part 43 is where it all starts.
There may be several checklists posted on various builder's websites as
well. Link to them off Van's webpage or the world wide wing at
vansaircraft.net.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Conditional Inspection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Randy Levold has one at
http://www.rv-8.com/Flying.htm#Aircraft%20documents%20(downloads)
Terry
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
I have searched and searched the archives and numerous web pages for a copy
of a annual conditional inspection. Can someone please let me know where I
can find a copy on the Web.
Thanks
Bob
RV6 Nightfighter
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| Subject: | Re: Conditional Inspection |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
http://www.vondane.com/rv8a/downloads/index.htm
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <panamared3@brier.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Conditional Inspection
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
I have searched and searched the archives and numerous web pages for a copy
of a annual conditional inspection. Can someone please let me know where I
can find a copy on the Web.
Thanks
Bob
RV6 Nightfighter
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| Subject: | speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Data points just for kicks....
Just got down from speed run testing. First I landed at SNA and used the
compass rose to calibrate my Dynon's remote compass. That thing is rock
solid now. You can be hauling 3G through a 90-bank turn, and the thing
indicates dead-on (best I can tell). No acceleration errors, no lag/lead,
it's a thing of beauty.
With a reliable compass indication, I went out to the practice area for
speed runs.
NOTE: all tests performed at full throttle, leaned to 100 ROP
NOTE: all tests performed in smooth air, in level, stabilized flight
NOTE: plane has NO LEG FAIRINGS or WHEEL PANTS installed
NOTE: fresh air vents were closed
NOTE: all speeds are in KNOTS
***** Test Set A: 7500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=43F
1) 23.7" / 2500RPM, N=176, E=171, S=152, W=156
Average: 164 KTAS
2) 23.7" / 2600 RPM, N=180, E=172, S=153, W=158
Average: 166 KTAS
3) 23.6" / 2660 RPM, N=183, E=174, S=155, W=159
Average: 168 KTAS
***** Test Set B: 6500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=46F
1) 24.6" / 2500 RPM, N=174, E=170, S=155, W=161
Average: 165 KTAS
2) 24.65" / 2600 RPM, N=177, E=169, S=158, W=164
Average: 167 KTAS
3) 24.5" / 2670 RPM, N=178, E=172, S=160, W=165
Average: 169 KTAS
That's all the testing I did so far. The purpose of this is to establish a
baseline before installing any gear/leg/intersection fairings. I'm going to
"itemize" the speed gains with fairings, starting with just the leg
fairings.
I'm hopeful that I'll be able to hit 180 KTAS at some altitude & power
configuration once everything is cleaned up. Wish me luck...
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Dan dont worry, 180 knots will be easy for you. All the fairings will add
10 knots which will put you right there. Just to let you know the wheel
pants add little, the big increase comes form the gear leg fairings.
At 02:11 PM 4/16/04 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Data points just for kicks....
>
>Just got down from speed run testing. First I landed at SNA and used the
>compass rose to calibrate my Dynon's remote compass. That thing is rock
>solid now. You can be hauling 3G through a 90-bank turn, and the thing
>indicates dead-on (best I can tell). No acceleration errors, no lag/lead,
>it's a thing of beauty.
>
>With a reliable compass indication, I went out to the practice area for
>speed runs.
>
>NOTE: all tests performed at full throttle, leaned to 100 ROP
>NOTE: all tests performed in smooth air, in level, stabilized flight
>NOTE: plane has NO LEG FAIRINGS or WHEEL PANTS installed
>NOTE: fresh air vents were closed
>NOTE: all speeds are in KNOTS
>
>***** Test Set A: 7500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=43F
>
>1) 23.7" / 2500RPM, N=176, E=171, S=152, W=156
>Average: 164 KTAS
>
>2) 23.7" / 2600 RPM, N=180, E=172, S=153, W=158
>Average: 166 KTAS
>
>3) 23.6" / 2660 RPM, N=183, E=174, S=155, W=159
>Average: 168 KTAS
>
>***** Test Set B: 6500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=46F
>
>1) 24.6" / 2500 RPM, N=174, E=170, S=155, W=161
>Average: 165 KTAS
>
>2) 24.65" / 2600 RPM, N=177, E=169, S=158, W=164
>Average: 167 KTAS
>
>3) 24.5" / 2670 RPM, N=178, E=172, S=160, W=165
>Average: 169 KTAS
>
>That's all the testing I did so far. The purpose of this is to establish a
>baseline before installing any gear/leg/intersection fairings. I'm going to
>"itemize" the speed gains with fairings, starting with just the leg
>fairings.
>
>I'm hopeful that I'll be able to hit 180 KTAS at some altitude & power
>configuration once everything is cleaned up. Wish me luck...
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Scott Bilinski wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Dan dont worry, 180 knots will be easy for you. All the fairings will add
>10 knots which will put you right there. Just to let you know the wheel
>pants add little, the big increase comes form the gear leg fairings.
>
>At 02:11 PM 4/16/04 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>>Data points just for kicks....
>>
>>Just got down from speed run testing. First I landed at SNA and used the
>>compass rose to calibrate my Dynon's remote compass. That thing is rock
>>solid now. You can be hauling 3G through a 90-bank turn, and the thing
>>indicates dead-on (best I can tell). No acceleration errors, no lag/lead,
>>it's a thing of beauty.
>>
>>With a reliable compass indication, I went out to the practice area for
>>speed runs.
>>
>>NOTE: all tests performed at full throttle, leaned to 100 ROP
>>NOTE: all tests performed in smooth air, in level, stabilized flight
>>NOTE: plane has NO LEG FAIRINGS or WHEEL PANTS installed
>>NOTE: fresh air vents were closed
>>NOTE: all speeds are in KNOTS
>>
>>***** Test Set A: 7500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=43F
>>
>>1) 23.7" / 2500RPM, N=176, E=171, S=152, W=156
>>Average: 164 KTAS
>>
>>2) 23.7" / 2600 RPM, N=180, E=172, S=153, W=158
>>Average: 166 KTAS
>>
>>3) 23.6" / 2660 RPM, N=183, E=174, S=155, W=159
>>Average: 168 KTAS
>>
>>***** Test Set B: 6500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=46F
>>
>>1) 24.6" / 2500 RPM, N=174, E=170, S=155, W=161
>>Average: 165 KTAS
>>
>>2) 24.65" / 2600 RPM, N=177, E=169, S=158, W=164
>>Average: 167 KTAS
>>
>>3) 24.5" / 2670 RPM, N=178, E=172, S=160, W=165
>>Average: 169 KTAS
>>
>>That's all the testing I did so far. The purpose of this is to establish a
>>baseline before installing any gear/leg/intersection fairings. I'm going to
>>"itemize" the speed gains with fairings, starting with just the leg
>>fairings.
>>
>>I'm hopeful that I'll be able to hit 180 KTAS at some altitude & power
>>configuration once everything is cleaned up. Wish me luck...
>>
>>)_( Dan
>>RV-7 N714D
>>http://www.rvproject.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
I would not say wheel pants add very little, they are good for at least
4 kts which is not very little IMO.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I can verify this. I just installed my fairings for the first time
yesterday. It was a little bumpy and not ideal conditions for testing,
but I got a good 11-12 kt increase with all the fairings. This is 75%,
WOT at 8000', 100 ROP, 2720 RPM.
On a related note, my gear leg fairings, which I so carefully aligned,
seem to be off by a good bit. I needed to hold significant right rudder
to keep the ball centered, with the fairings attached. I mean
significant, it felt like flying with the left engine out. I did
carefully align them using the method in the plans. Now it is going to
be trial and error to get them more accurately aligned. Guess that's
why they call it flight testing.
Jeff Point
RV-6 18 hours
Milwaukee WI
Scott Bilinski wrote:
>Dan dont worry, 180 knots will be easy for you. All the fairings will add
>10 knots which will put you right there. Just to let you know the wheel
>pants add little, the big increase comes form the gear leg fairings.
>
>
>
>
>
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