---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/16/04: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:10 AM - Re: Wiring Conduits (Bob U.) 2. 04:05 AM - Re: SNF (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 3. 07:17 AM - Landoll starter (Frazier, Vincent A) 4. 08:32 AM - S&F New 180hp Engines to use Mogas (Bill VonDane) 5. 09:08 AM - Las Vegas RV'ers (RiteAngle3@aol.com) 6. 11:23 AM - Re: Conditional Inspection (Bob) 7. 11:44 AM - Re: Conditional Inspection (Brian Denk) 8. 11:59 AM - Re: Conditional Inspection (Terry Watson) 9. 12:20 PM - Re: Conditional Inspection (Bill VonDane) 10. 02:11 PM - speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) (Dan Checkoway) 11. 02:51 PM - Re: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) (Scott Bilinski) 12. 03:17 PM - Re: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) (Jerry Springer) 13. 04:08 PM - Re: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) (Jeff Point) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:37 AM PST US From: "Bob U." Subject: Re: RV-List: Wiring Conduits --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." Jamie Painter wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" > > >I am not an expert on this issue by any stretch of the imagination, but >have you considered the stress loads that will be placed on stiff aluminum >tubing while the wings are flexing while pulling G's? My first impression >would be that it would be best to have the soft conduit to reduce friction >and wear between the conduit and the ribs. Maybe this is an issue...maybe >it isn't...I don't know. > >Just a thought from someone who has no clue... :-) (hey, at least I'm >self-aware) > >Jamie > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The Law of unintended consequences holds that almost all human actions have at least one unintended consequence. In other words, each cause has more than one effect . Unintended consequences can be both negative and positive. The most common kind of unintended consequences arise from perverse incentives , a term for an incentive that has the opposite effect to that intended. Bob Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:36 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: SNF --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com OK Bill- The WX is unbeatable, lots of RVs, and it really hacked me off we couldn't look at the planes while the generic "airshow" was being rolled out... Be hey, 51PW survived the arrival! 8-) Mark Phillips - come on down! (and do not archive) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:57 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Landoll starter From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" Guys, FWIW, Mark Landoll is selling an aftermarket type starter that he says is a bit under 10 pounds and $190. Similar to the B&C units. Call him for more details at 405-685-0239 or 405-392-3847. I have one of his alternators and like it. Vince ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:58 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: S&F New 180hp Engines to use Mogas vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Sun&Fun> NEW Superior 180hp engines to use mogas > http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/223-full.html#187103 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:39 AM PST US From: RiteAngle3@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Las Vegas RV'ers --> RV-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com --> RV-List message posted by: "Travis Hamblen" I have an RV6A at VGT and I don't know a single person around the airport. Was hoping to meet some other RV types, check out some projects, learn a little, and hopefully fly a little. Although I'm not the builder of my plane I will be starting some smaller projects soon and was hoping to find some type of RV support group or other RVers in Las Vegas. I also go out of town on business on a regular basis and was hoping to find some RVers or people who are interested in RVs to keep an eye on mine, maybe fly it once in a while when I'm out of town (I really don't like her to sit there unused). ******* In the early '70's there was a very active EAA chapter in Las Vegas, built a Breezy, was a member when I lived there while flying for USAEC. We met at what was known as North Las Vegas Airport back then. Elbie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:16 AM PST US From: Bob Subject: Re: RV-List: Conditional Inspection --> RV-List message posted by: Bob I have searched and searched the archives and numerous web pages for a copy of a annual conditional inspection. Can someone please let me know where I can find a copy on the Web. Thanks Bob RV6 Nightfighter ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:07 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Conditional Inspection --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >>I have searched and searched the archives and numerous web pages for a >>copy >of a annual conditional inspection. Can someone please let me know where I >can find a copy on the Web. > >Thanks > >Bob >RV6 Nightfighter If you're an EAA member, you can get a basic version that can be tweaked to suit your particular aircraft at: http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/inspection.html It's really up to you to determine how to verify the airworthiness of your RV. FAR part 43 is where it all starts. There may be several checklists posted on various builder's websites as well. Link to them off Van's webpage or the world wide wing at vansaircraft.net. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:26 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Conditional Inspection --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Randy Levold has one at http://www.rv-8.com/Flying.htm#Aircraft%20documents%20(downloads) Terry --> RV-List message posted by: Bob I have searched and searched the archives and numerous web pages for a copy of a annual conditional inspection. Can someone please let me know where I can find a copy on the Web. Thanks Bob RV6 Nightfighter ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:58 PM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: RV-List: Conditional Inspection --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane http://www.vondane.com/rv8a/downloads/index.htm -Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" Subject: Re: RV-List: Conditional Inspection --> RV-List message posted by: Bob I have searched and searched the archives and numerous web pages for a copy of a annual conditional inspection. Can someone please let me know where I can find a copy on the Web. Thanks Bob RV6 Nightfighter ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:47 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Data points just for kicks.... Just got down from speed run testing. First I landed at SNA and used the compass rose to calibrate my Dynon's remote compass. That thing is rock solid now. You can be hauling 3G through a 90-bank turn, and the thing indicates dead-on (best I can tell). No acceleration errors, no lag/lead, it's a thing of beauty. With a reliable compass indication, I went out to the practice area for speed runs. NOTE: all tests performed at full throttle, leaned to 100 ROP NOTE: all tests performed in smooth air, in level, stabilized flight NOTE: plane has NO LEG FAIRINGS or WHEEL PANTS installed NOTE: fresh air vents were closed NOTE: all speeds are in KNOTS ***** Test Set A: 7500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=43F 1) 23.7" / 2500RPM, N=176, E=171, S=152, W=156 Average: 164 KTAS 2) 23.7" / 2600 RPM, N=180, E=172, S=153, W=158 Average: 166 KTAS 3) 23.6" / 2660 RPM, N=183, E=174, S=155, W=159 Average: 168 KTAS ***** Test Set B: 6500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=46F 1) 24.6" / 2500 RPM, N=174, E=170, S=155, W=161 Average: 165 KTAS 2) 24.65" / 2600 RPM, N=177, E=169, S=158, W=164 Average: 167 KTAS 3) 24.5" / 2670 RPM, N=178, E=172, S=160, W=165 Average: 169 KTAS That's all the testing I did so far. The purpose of this is to establish a baseline before installing any gear/leg/intersection fairings. I'm going to "itemize" the speed gains with fairings, starting with just the leg fairings. I'm hopeful that I'll be able to hit 180 KTAS at some altitude & power configuration once everything is cleaned up. Wish me luck... )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:05 PM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Dan dont worry, 180 knots will be easy for you. All the fairings will add 10 knots which will put you right there. Just to let you know the wheel pants add little, the big increase comes form the gear leg fairings. At 02:11 PM 4/16/04 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > >Data points just for kicks.... > >Just got down from speed run testing. First I landed at SNA and used the >compass rose to calibrate my Dynon's remote compass. That thing is rock >solid now. You can be hauling 3G through a 90-bank turn, and the thing >indicates dead-on (best I can tell). No acceleration errors, no lag/lead, >it's a thing of beauty. > >With a reliable compass indication, I went out to the practice area for >speed runs. > >NOTE: all tests performed at full throttle, leaned to 100 ROP >NOTE: all tests performed in smooth air, in level, stabilized flight >NOTE: plane has NO LEG FAIRINGS or WHEEL PANTS installed >NOTE: fresh air vents were closed >NOTE: all speeds are in KNOTS > >***** Test Set A: 7500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=43F > >1) 23.7" / 2500RPM, N=176, E=171, S=152, W=156 >Average: 164 KTAS > >2) 23.7" / 2600 RPM, N=180, E=172, S=153, W=158 >Average: 166 KTAS > >3) 23.6" / 2660 RPM, N=183, E=174, S=155, W=159 >Average: 168 KTAS > >***** Test Set B: 6500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=46F > >1) 24.6" / 2500 RPM, N=174, E=170, S=155, W=161 >Average: 165 KTAS > >2) 24.65" / 2600 RPM, N=177, E=169, S=158, W=164 >Average: 167 KTAS > >3) 24.5" / 2670 RPM, N=178, E=172, S=160, W=165 >Average: 169 KTAS > >That's all the testing I did so far. The purpose of this is to establish a >baseline before installing any gear/leg/intersection fairings. I'm going to >"itemize" the speed gains with fairings, starting with just the leg >fairings. > >I'm hopeful that I'll be able to hit 180 KTAS at some altitude & power >configuration once everything is cleaned up. Wish me luck... > >)_( Dan >RV-7 N714D >http://www.rvproject.com > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:58 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Scott Bilinski wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > >Dan dont worry, 180 knots will be easy for you. All the fairings will add >10 knots which will put you right there. Just to let you know the wheel >pants add little, the big increase comes form the gear leg fairings. > >At 02:11 PM 4/16/04 -0700, you wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" >> >>Data points just for kicks.... >> >>Just got down from speed run testing. First I landed at SNA and used the >>compass rose to calibrate my Dynon's remote compass. That thing is rock >>solid now. You can be hauling 3G through a 90-bank turn, and the thing >>indicates dead-on (best I can tell). No acceleration errors, no lag/lead, >>it's a thing of beauty. >> >>With a reliable compass indication, I went out to the practice area for >>speed runs. >> >>NOTE: all tests performed at full throttle, leaned to 100 ROP >>NOTE: all tests performed in smooth air, in level, stabilized flight >>NOTE: plane has NO LEG FAIRINGS or WHEEL PANTS installed >>NOTE: fresh air vents were closed >>NOTE: all speeds are in KNOTS >> >>***** Test Set A: 7500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=43F >> >>1) 23.7" / 2500RPM, N=176, E=171, S=152, W=156 >>Average: 164 KTAS >> >>2) 23.7" / 2600 RPM, N=180, E=172, S=153, W=158 >>Average: 166 KTAS >> >>3) 23.6" / 2660 RPM, N=183, E=174, S=155, W=159 >>Average: 168 KTAS >> >>***** Test Set B: 6500' MSL, Alt=30.04", OAT=46F >> >>1) 24.6" / 2500 RPM, N=174, E=170, S=155, W=161 >>Average: 165 KTAS >> >>2) 24.65" / 2600 RPM, N=177, E=169, S=158, W=164 >>Average: 167 KTAS >> >>3) 24.5" / 2670 RPM, N=178, E=172, S=160, W=165 >>Average: 169 KTAS >> >>That's all the testing I did so far. The purpose of this is to establish a >>baseline before installing any gear/leg/intersection fairings. I'm going to >>"itemize" the speed gains with fairings, starting with just the leg >>fairings. >> >>I'm hopeful that I'll be able to hit 180 KTAS at some altitude & power >>configuration once everything is cleaned up. Wish me luck... >> >>)_( Dan >>RV-7 N714D >>http://www.rvproject.com >> >> >> >> > > >Scott Bilinski >Eng dept 305 >Phone (858) 657-2536 >Pager (858) 502-5190 > > > I would not say wheel pants add very little, they are good for at least 4 kts which is not very little IMO. Jerry ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:59 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: speeds (BEFORE FAIRINGS) --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point I can verify this. I just installed my fairings for the first time yesterday. It was a little bumpy and not ideal conditions for testing, but I got a good 11-12 kt increase with all the fairings. This is 75%, WOT at 8000', 100 ROP, 2720 RPM. On a related note, my gear leg fairings, which I so carefully aligned, seem to be off by a good bit. I needed to hold significant right rudder to keep the ball centered, with the fairings attached. I mean significant, it felt like flying with the left engine out. I did carefully align them using the method in the plans. Now it is going to be trial and error to get them more accurately aligned. Guess that's why they call it flight testing. Jeff Point RV-6 18 hours Milwaukee WI Scott Bilinski wrote: >Dan dont worry, 180 knots will be easy for you. All the fairings will add >10 knots which will put you right there. Just to let you know the wheel >pants add little, the big increase comes form the gear leg fairings. > > > > >