---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/18/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Gun Bluing (Gould, Richard AE1 NAVTESTWINGPAC 561000E) 2. 04:05 AM - Re: Blown fuse-strange event. pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- (Richard Lundin) 3. 05:48 AM - Re: Gun Bluing (Larry Bowen) 4. 06:38 AM - VSI & Altimeter Flucuations (DAVID DAVENPORT) 5. 08:36 AM - Re: Blown fuse-strange event. pts rule name (Tim Bryan) 6. 09:44 AM - Re: Blown fuse-strange event. pts rule name (GLCole5475@aol.com) 7. 09:49 AM - Sun & Fun Accident? (Tracy Crook) 8. 01:44 PM - Re: Sun & Fun Accident? (Kyle Boatright) 9. 03:17 PM - Re: Gun Bluing (Hal / Carol Kempthorne) 10. 04:59 PM - Re: RV-8 flap motor interference (RV8ter@aol.com) 11. 05:01 PM - Re: Sun & Fun Accident? (PASSPAT@aol.com) 12. 06:22 PM - Re: Sun & Fun Accident? (James E. Clark) 13. 07:15 PM - 1st friendly reminder - Twin Cities RV Fly-In (Doug Weiler) 14. 08:08 PM - Re: Sun & Fun Accident? (Finn Lassen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:59 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Gun Bluing From: "Gould, Richard AE1 NAVTESTWINGPAC 561000E" --> RV-List message posted by: "Gould, Richard AE1 NAVTESTWINGPAC 561000E" From: "Jim Bower" > Forgive me if somebody else has posted this idea. > the resultant bare steel is vulnerable, and who wants to add thickness with paint? > Try gun bluing. You can get a little plastic bottle of the stuff for a few > bucks at Wal-Mart, and it works great. > > Jim Bower What a great idea! Simple, cheap and effective! I never would have thought of it. Thanks for the tip! Rick Gould RV-4 Camarillo, CA FLY NAVY! __I__ --O--O--( )--O--O-- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:22 AM PST US From: Richard Lundin Subject: Re: RV-List: Blown fuse-strange event. pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin I think you need to check the voltage at the plug, while you have a load on it. My guess is you have a bad connection/soldier joint somewhere in the wiring. That causes a voltage drop, which causes excess amperage draw. Good luck, Rick Lundin RV-8 Tail done, wings on order --- Louis Willig wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig > > > Hi guys, > > I have two cigarette lighter type power sockets in > my RV-4. Both are > breaker protected at 5 amps. #1 socket powers my > GPS, and #2 socket powers > my ANR headset. A few weeks ago, the 2 amp fuse > contained in the male power > plug of my GPS blew. I changed it and a few hours > later, it blew again. The > breaker on my panel never blew. > > I switched the two devices, and the GPS has worked > fine. But today the ANR > power plug fuse blew. > > The problem is not in the devices used but seems to > be in the power > socket/wiring system. How can this be? Any ideas > before I spend three > hours tearing apart my honey? > > Thanks in advance. Louis > > > - > Louis I Willig > 1640 Oakwood Dr. > Penn Valley, PA 19072 > 610 668-4964 > RV-4, N180PF > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:50 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Gun Bluing --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I've never heard of this stuff, but Google turned up this: http://www.shootersolutions.com/vaningunblu.html If it's made by Van's it must be good..... - Larry Bowen, RV-8, last 90% Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: Gould, Richard AE1 NAVTESTWINGPAC 561000E > [mailto:richard.j.gould@navy.mil] > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 6:57 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Gun Bluing > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Gould, Richard AE1 NAVTESTWINGPAC > --> 561000E" > > From: "Jim Bower" > > > Forgive me if somebody else has posted this idea. > > the resultant bare steel is vulnerable, and who wants to > add thickness with paint? > > Try gun bluing. You can get a little plastic bottle of the > stuff for a few > > bucks at Wal-Mart, and it works great. > > > > Jim Bower > What a great idea! Simple, cheap and effective! I never would > have thought of it. Thanks for the tip! > > Rick Gould > RV-4 Camarillo, CA > FLY NAVY! > __I__ > --O--O--( )--O--O-- > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:37 AM PST US From: "DAVID DAVENPORT" Subject: RV-List: VSI & Altimeter Flucuations --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID DAVENPORT" While in level flight in my -6, if my plane yaws at all due to turbulence, I get a steady, rythmic flucuation in both the ASI and altimeter. I am assuming that the static system is getting some sort of airflow disturbance when one side or the other is exposed to a different airflow due to the yaw, but it is hard to say. I am using Van's rivet head static ports in the location marked on the static kit paperwork. If, when pushing the remaining rivet through the hole somehow has created two different size holes, would that make a difference? Has anyone run into this and come up with any decent solutions? I'd love to know, because my autopilot altitude hold is hooked into this system and it makes the pitch servo work hard trying to chase those altitude deviations. Thanks in advance for any help/ideas. David Davenport RV-6 N168DD 67 Hrs. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:52 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Blown fuse-strange event. pts rule name --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" I think you are right about a bad connection or such, however the heat from that may be more of the reason than over amperage. Same answer, same conclusion, just different idea of WHY Tim Bryan Redmond, OR. RV-6 N616TB Not yet flying but close --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Lundin I think you need to check the voltage at the plug, while you have a load on it. My guess is you have a bad connection/soldier joint somewhere in the wiring. That causes a voltage drop, which causes excess amperage draw. Good luck, Rick Lundin RV-8 Tail done, wings on order --- Louis Willig wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig > > > Hi guys, > > I have two cigarette lighter type power sockets in > my RV-4. Both are > breaker protected at 5 amps. #1 socket powers my > GPS, and #2 socket powers > my ANR headset. A few weeks ago, the 2 amp fuse > contained in the male power > plug of my GPS blew. I changed it and a few hours > later, it blew again. The > breaker on my panel never blew. > > I switched the two devices, and the GPS has worked > fine. But today the ANR > power plug fuse blew. > > The problem is not in the devices used but seems to > be in the power > socket/wiring system. How can this be? Any ideas > before I spend three > hours tearing apart my honey? > > Thanks in advance. Louis > > > - > Louis I Willig > 1640 Oakwood Dr. > Penn Valley, PA 19072 > 610 668-4964 > RV-4, N180PF > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > __________________________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:46 AM PST US From: GLCole5475@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Blown fuse-strange event. pts rule name --> RV-List message posted by: GLCole5475@aol.com Gentelmen, I am not sure why the fuses are blowing, but do disagree with your analysis. If you have a bad solder joint or connection the resistance of that connection will be higher. This will generate more heat in the connection and lower the voltage and therefore current being applied to the device being driven. But it will not cause the fuse to blow. Fuses are inherently current sensitive. Check the voltage being applied to the two devices. You may find that the voltage is high in the one blowing the fuses. If so, your bad connection will be in the one that is not blowing fuses. It's a thought. Good luck. Gary Working on my HRII fuselage. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:13 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: RV-List: Sun & Fun Accident? --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" I departed Sun & Fun at around 8:05 this morning and the tower closed the airport due to an "incident" a few minutes after I took off. Anyone know the story? Do Not Archive Tracy Crook ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:30 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Sun & Fun Accident? --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" Tracy, An hour after the crash, they were still clearing the airplane from runway 9 Left. I believe it was the Glasair III that was featured in Sport Aviation recently - the one with the 8 cylinder lycoming and the shark's mouth paint job. According to witnesses, the aircraft flew a fast, unstable approach, departed the pavement on landing, and rolled over. I don't know if it rolled end over end or cartwheeled. When they uprighted the airplane with a crane, I borrowed a pair of binoculars to get a good look. The cabin area appeared intact. That's all I know. KB Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: RV-List: Sun & Fun Accident? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" > > I departed Sun & Fun at around 8:05 this morning and the tower closed the airport due to an "incident" a few minutes after I took off. Anyone know the story? > > Do Not Archive > > Tracy Crook > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:39 PM PST US From: Hal / Carol Kempthorne Subject: RE: RV-List: Gun Bluing --> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne Guns rust, blueing helps, but the steel does still rust. Poorly cared for guns show fingerprints at least. hal ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:40 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 flap motor interference --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com yes. just enlarge the hole in the fuse it passes through. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:34 PM PST US From: PASSPAT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Sun & Fun Accident? --> RV-List message posted by: PASSPAT@aol.com Also at the Sun 'N Fun Fly-In, a small plane flipped over on the runway. The two people inside the Glasair III had to be extricated, but neither was seriously hurt. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:29 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Sun & Fun Accident? --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Tracy, I saw a plane that looked like an "extended" Glasair coming in for landing on ***9 RIGHT*** while there were departures there. Seems that either the tower said side step or the pilot realized what was happening and power was added and a sidestep made. (I actually thought it was the beginning of a "go-around"). Upon seeing the side step in action, I figured to myself that it was someone who knew what was going on and how to handle it so I looked away. My friends went "Oh No!" and when I looked around again there was a huge pile of dust. They bround out the crane and it was there for a **LONG** time. Fire trucks, rescue vehicles and a foan truck went to the site. I do not know the condition of the passengers. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tracy Crook > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:49 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Sun & Fun Accident? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" > > I departed Sun & Fun at around 8:05 this morning and the tower > closed the airport due to an "incident" a few minutes after I > took off. Anyone know the story? > > Do Not Archive > > Tracy Crook > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:50 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: RV-List: 1st friendly reminder - Twin Cities RV Fly-In --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" Fellow Listers: We are beginning the countdown for the Twin Cities RV Fly-In to be held in Minneapolis on May 22 and 23. Folks, we want this to be the premier RV event in the upper Midwest this spring. So we have a lofty goal: we want to see every RV in this area that has ever seen light under its tires to blacken the skies of the Twin Cities on May 22 and 23. If fact, lets just shoot for the moon and get every possible RV to Anoka County Airport that weekend. THIS MEANS YOU!!!! The TCRVFI will be a major part of Discover Aviation Days. This is a big deal with a fly-in breakfast, food, warbirds, fly-bys, displays, vendors, pig roast, hangar dance, etc, etc. We'll have an RV hospitality tent, awards for fly-in RVs, door prizes, wife rides, mini-seminars on Saturday (Van's Aircraft will be there represented by Bruce Reynolds) and more. Here's the Fly-In website: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~rvflyin/index.htm - check it often for updates Here's Discover Aviation Day's website: http://www.discoveraviationdays.org/ We'll be spreading the word and reminding everyone over the next 4 weeks. Let's show the Discover Aviation Days folks just what these RVs are all about. Any questions? Email me off list. Thanks Doug Weiler pres, MN Wing dougweil@pressenter.cojm ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:45 PM PST US From: Finn Lassen Subject: Re: RV-List: Sun & Fun Accident? --> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen They closed the airport until 11:30 am. Got the be the record for imcompetence in handling an accident! 30+ planes holding for 3 hours or more over Lake Paker. I had promised to meet someone there at 8:30. I was NOT a happy camper! Finn James E. Clark wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > >Tracy, > >I saw a plane that looked like an "extended" Glasair coming in for landing >on ***9 RIGHT*** while there were departures there. > >Seems that either the tower said side step or the pilot realized what was >happening and power was added and a sidestep made. (I actually thought it >was the beginning of a "go-around"). Upon seeing the side step in action, I >figured to myself that it was someone who knew what was going on and how to >handle it so I looked away. My friends went "Oh No!" and when I looked >around again there was a huge pile of dust. > >They bround out the crane and it was there for a **LONG** time. Fire trucks, >rescue vehicles and a foan truck went to the site. I do not know the >condition of the passengers. > > >James > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tracy Crook >>Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:49 PM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RV-List: Sun & Fun Accident? >> >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" >> >>I departed Sun & Fun at around 8:05 this morning and the tower >>closed the airport due to an "incident" a few minutes after I >>took off. Anyone know the story? >> >>Do Not Archive >> >>Tracy Crook >> >> >> >> > > > >