---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/25/04: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:40 AM - RV-builders/-flyers in perth, AU? (Thomas Wimmer) 2. 04:18 AM - Re: powering the anr headset from ships power (RVEIGHTA@aol.com) 3. 04:33 AM - Re: powering the anr headset from ships power (RV8ter@aol.com) 4. 06:55 AM - Re: powering the anr headset from ships power (Ned Thomas) 5. 07:57 AM - MC5 Master cylinders (Larry Bowen) 6. 07:58 AM - Re: Panel drawing (sdavis12) 7. 08:31 AM - Re: powering the anr headset from ships power (Bluecavu@aol.com) 8. 08:42 AM - Tube bending 101 or Not! (Bluecavu@aol.com) 9. 08:57 AM - Re: MC5 Master cylinders (Randy Lervold) 10. 09:09 AM - Re: Panel drawing (Ted) 11. 10:48 AM - Re: MC5 Master cylinders (Harvey Sigmon) 12. 11:17 AM - Re: MC5 Master cylinders (Larry Bowen) 13. 11:32 AM - Re: MC5 Master cylinders (Brian Denk) 14. 11:54 AM - Re: Xcom @ SNF (Mickey Coggins) 15. 12:57 PM - Re: Conical Engine Brushings (Brett Ray) 16. 02:31 PM - Re: Conical Engine Brushings (Stein Bruch) 17. 03:16 PM - EIS Trouble (Jason Sneed) 18. 03:29 PM - Re: MC5 Master cylinders (Larry Bowen) 19. 03:42 PM - Re: MC5 Master cylinders (Brian Denk) 20. 04:38 PM - friend looking for VFR RV-6 (Chris & Kellie Hand) 21. 07:15 PM - Re: Xcom @ SNF () 22. 08:00 PM - (bertrv6@highstream.net) 23. 10:37 PM - Care to recommend some workshop furnishings? (ed) 24. 10:37 PM - Care to recommend some workshop furnishings? (ed) 25. 11:57 PM - Re: Care to recommend some workshop furnishings? (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:09 AM PST US From: Thomas Wimmer Subject: RV-List: RV-builders/-flyers in perth, AU? --> RV-List message posted by: Thomas Wimmer Hello I'm a prospective builder from germany (still searching for a place to build) and I am going to perth, australia for a couple of weeks next month. Are there RVs (in various stages of completion or flying) at jandakot? Thanks Thomas ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:37 AM PST US From: RVEIGHTA@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: powering the anr headset from ships power --> RV-List message posted by: RVEIGHTA@aol.com I had my David Clark non ANR headset converted to ANR by Headsets, Inc. After replacing the 9v battery numerous times, I finally bought the panel power supply from Headsets, Inc and that problem has been solved. I believe the cost for the panel power supply is around $35. Walt Shipley ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:19 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: powering the anr headset from ships power --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com can you make it work with other brand of headsets like light speed without modifying the other brands? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:47 AM PST US From: "Ned Thomas" <923te@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: powering the anr headset from ships power --> RV-List message posted by: "Ned Thomas" <923te@cox.net> I bought a 9V batterry eliminator for my ANR headset.It works fine. It requires a typical cigar power outlet. The thing I like about it is that it will power any 9V decvice, so when not using the headset I can use it in my CD player. Check it out here: http://www.qcavionics.com/BE-9.html Your Fellow RV Enthusiast, Ned ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:40 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" "'VAF SouthEast RV Squadron'" Subject: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I purchased two MC5 brake master cylinders with the internal reservoirs to address the firewall clearance issues I was having. The ends are different than the stock MC's from Van's, but I think they will work. I have one loosely installed in these pictures. What do you think? http://bowenaero.com/copper/thumbnails.php?album=search&search=MC5 - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:29 AM PST US From: "sdavis12" Subject: Re: RV-List: Panel drawing --> RV-List message posted by: "sdavis12" Marty, What format can TurboCAD read? I have a few I can send you in AutoCAD if you will let me know what you are looking at in the way of instruments I can include the drawings for those as well. Steve Davis The Panel Pilot in Memphis Author of Kitlog Pro Builders Log Software www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emrath" Subject: RV-List: Panel drawing > --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" > > Listers: Does anyone have a CAD drawing of a basic RV-6 panel. I have > TurboCAD 4 and would like to start planning out panel using this. Please > contact me directly if you can assist. Thanks. Marty in Brentwood, TN > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:50 AM PST US From: Bluecavu@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: powering the anr headset from ships power --> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com an adapter to connect the power supply to the > airplane through a converter module to drop the voltage to 9 Volts.=A0 Works > very well I did the same thing -with about $5 worth of components from Radio Shack...=20a cheap IC voltage regulator being the principal component... Scott N4ZW ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:13 AM PST US From: Bluecavu@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Tube bending 101 or Not! --> RV-List message posted by: Bluecavu@aol.com What the heck is everyone using to bend soft aluminum for fuel and break >lines. My hands/fingers... whenever possible -better results than any bender on the soft stuff (3000 series)... works well on the 1/4" anyway -and largely impossible for harder tubing. Learn to massage it correctly and it'll stay absolutely round and have no kinks or scars. For the 3/8" I use a combination of hands/fingers and tube bender (I fiddled with a tube bender and some sandpaper/files to remove/smooth/round all the places on the bender that seemed to scar the tubes... Scott (A&P 15 years) N4ZW ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:20 AM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Looks good, didn't know those existed! Randy Lervold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > I purchased two MC5 brake master cylinders with the internal reservoirs > to address the firewall clearance issues I was having. The ends are > different than the stock MC's from Van's, but I think they will work. I > have one loosely installed in these pictures. What do you think? > > http://bowenaero.com/copper/thumbnails.php?album=search&search=MC5 > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:22 AM PST US From: "Ted" Subject: RE: RV-List: Panel drawing --> RV-List message posted by: "Ted" Take a look at: http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/panel.html Ted RV-6A flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Emrath Subject: RV-List: Panel drawing --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" Listers: Does anyone have a CAD drawing of a basic RV-6 panel. I have TurboCAD 4 and would like to start planning out panel using this. Please contact me directly if you can assist. Thanks. Marty in Brentwood, TN ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:05 AM PST US From: "Harvey Sigmon" Subject: Re: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders --> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" Larry: We used a similar arrangement of the earlier RV's they save a lot of tubing, but you have a clearance to firewall problem and a pain to service.The fluid overflows to the floor and below when servicing, you have to stand on your head to reach. But I forgot you are a young guy with a flexible back Harvey Sigmon N602RV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > I purchased two MC5 brake master cylinders with the internal reservoirs > to address the firewall clearance issues I was having. The ends are > different than the stock MC's from Van's, but I think they will work. I > have one loosely installed in these pictures. What do you think? > > http://bowenaero.com/copper/thumbnails.php?album=search&search=MC5 > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:23 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" It was the firewall clearance problem using the *local* reservoir I was trying to solve. These MC5's with the *internal* reservoirs do not contact the firewall before the rudder hits the stop. As far as servicing, I hope that will be limited to annuals, at which time I can take the fwd baggage floor out and access them through the baggage door. Am I being naive? I was young when I started this project. Now I'm not so sure.... Thanks for your input. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" > > Larry: We used a similar arrangement of the earlier RV's > they save a lot of tubing, but you have a clearance to > firewall problem and a pain to service.The fluid overflows to > the floor and below when servicing, you have to stand on your > head to reach. But I forgot you are a young guy with a > flexible back Harvey Sigmon N602RV > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > I purchased two MC5 brake master cylinders with the internal > > reservoirs to address the firewall clearance issues I was > having. The > > ends are different than the stock MC's from Van's, but I think they > > will work. I have one loosely installed in these pictures. > What do > > you think? > > > > http://bowenaero.com/copper/thumbnails.php?album=search&search=MC5 > > > > - > > Larry Bowen > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:10 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > >It was the firewall clearance problem using the *local* reservoir I was >trying to solve. These MC5's with the *internal* reservoirs do not >contact the firewall before the rudder hits the stop. > >As far as servicing, I hope that will be limited to annuals, at which >time I can take the fwd baggage floor out and access them through the >baggage door. Am I being naive? > >I was young when I started this project. Now I'm not so sure.... > >Thanks for your input. > >- >Larry Bowen Larry, I've had the dedicated reservoirs on the pedals for a few months now and they're doing fine. They did seep some fluid initially from the tiny little pinholes in the plugs but these are moving around a lot more than the firewall mounted tank. I just cleaned up the drips and all is well. I suppose those bronze mesh plugs would hold fluid better and not let out so much fluid. Your installation should work great and I kinda wish I had investigated them as well! I'm probably going to sell my -8 to a really tall guy who needs the pedals moved forward. It won't happen with the reservoirs on each pedal. Your pics show that the MC5's should take care of that. Once the brakes are filled and bled, you shouldn't have to get down there to the pedals very much. Most likely only during annuals. Can just take out the baggage hold floor and reach in from the door. Going in through the cabin is sheer murder on the back. That's one thing I won't miss at all. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 Lose those love handles! MSN Fitness shows you two moves to slim your waist. http://fitness.msn.com/articles/feeds/article.aspx?dept=exercise&article=et_pv_030104_lovehandles ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:08 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Xcom @ SNF --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Yep. I found Trio at SNF by calling their office number, which was routed to a cell phone at the booth. I was about 50 yards away when I called. I bought the whole system which will be shipped soon. Good guys. I hope SNF figures out a way to add booth space to the next show. It's often the new, small companies that have the most interesting products. Mickey >Guys, guys.......don't hyperventilate! Trio was at S-N-F but they have >been unable to purchase indoor booth space so they were sharing an >outdoor booth with another vendor. Maybe they will move up the que far >enough to have their own booth next year. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:34 PM PST US From: "Brett Ray" Subject: Re: RV-List: Conical Engine Brushings --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" Not on a RV but I used them on my 601 XL and they are just fine. Brett > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Beene" > > I am mounting an O-360-C1G on an RV-4. This is a conical engine. I need > the conical mount bushings. Aircraft Spruce sells a set of eight (non > PMA'd) for $39.50. Van's price is $300. Has anyone used the AS conical > bushings on an RV? do not arcive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:05 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Conical Engine Brushings --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" You put an O-360 on your Zenith 601?!? :) All in fun..... Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brett Ray Subject: Re: RV-List: Conical Engine Brushings --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" Not on a RV but I used them on my 601 XL and they are just fine. Brett > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Beene" > > I am mounting an O-360-C1G on an RV-4. This is a conical engine. I need > the conical mount bushings. Aircraft Spruce sells a set of eight (non > PMA'd) for $39.50. Van's price is $300. Has anyone used the AS conical > bushings on an RV? do not arcive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:15 PM PST US From: Jason Sneed Subject: RV-List: EIS Trouble --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Sneed Has anyone else had trouble with a EIS from Grand Rapids Technologies? after 25 hours of trouble free operation the display started moving from right to left a couple of digits. It then started getting worse, jumping 4-5 digits every 5 min. or so of flying. GRT sent me a new unit and all the problems went away, until today. The display has started shifting from the right to the left again. So it seems as though after 25 hours or so of flight the EIS starts having trouble in my plane. Greg really did not have an explanation for me at sun and fun and I was hoping someone out there has had a similar problem and may have a fix. Thanks, Jason Sneed Commercial Lending Officer First National Bank and Trust www.highland-parks.com/n242ds ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:00 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Speaking of leaks -- These MC5's have a nylon cap screw with a small hole in the middle. Remove the screw to fill, etc. I wonder how bad these will leak through that vent hole. The system definitely needs to be vented somehow, is that right? I guess if I keep it 75% full it will be fine......... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Denk [mailto:akroguy@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:32 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > >It was the firewall clearance problem using the *local* > reservoir I was > >trying to solve. These MC5's with the *internal* reservoirs do not > >contact the firewall before the rudder hits the stop. > > > >As far as servicing, I hope that will be limited to annuals, > at which > >time I can take the fwd baggage floor out and access them > through the > >baggage door. Am I being naive? > > > >I was young when I started this project. Now I'm not so sure.... > > > >Thanks for your input. > > > >- > >Larry Bowen > > Larry, > > I've had the dedicated reservoirs on the pedals for a few > months now and > they're doing fine. They did seep some fluid initially from > the tiny little > pinholes in the plugs but these are moving around a lot more than the > firewall mounted tank. I just cleaned up the drips and all > is well. I > suppose those bronze mesh plugs would hold fluid better and > not let out so > much fluid. Your installation should work great and I kinda > wish I had > investigated them as well! I'm probably going to sell my -8 > to a really > tall guy who needs the pedals moved forward. It won't happen > with the > reservoirs on each pedal. Your pics show that the MC5's > should take care of > that. Once the brakes are filled and bled, you shouldn't > have to get down > there to the pedals very much. Most likely only during > annuals. Can just > take out the baggage hold floor and reach in from the door. Going in > through the cabin is sheer murder on the back. That's one > thing I won't > miss at all. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > RV10 '51 > > Lose those love handles! MSN Fitness shows you two moves to > slim your waist. > http://fitness.msn.com/articles/feeds/article.aspx?dept=exerci se&article=et_pv_030104_lovehandles == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:19 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: MC5 Master cylinders --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >Speaking of leaks -- These MC5's have a nylon cap screw with a small >hole in the middle. Remove the screw to fill, etc. I wonder how bad >these will leak through that vent hole. The system definitely needs to >be vented somehow, is that right? I guess if I keep it 75% full it will >be fine......... > >- >Larry Bowen Sounds like the same plug that came in the machined reservoirs. Yes, they *should* be vented to allow them to feed fluid if the need should arise. Once mine dribbled out a few cc's, they haven't done it again. I filled them very close to full and in the taildragger, the pedals flop aft without my feet on them. This no doubt contributed to the leaks. I suppose with some vigorous acro or turbulence they might urp up some more, but for the most part, they're staying dry now. 75% full might be the ticket. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:20 PM PST US From: "Chris & Kellie Hand" Subject: RV-List: friend looking for VFR RV-6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" I'm posting this for a friend and neighbor I fly with occasionally (his C-172 & C-182 club planes and my C-140). After following my RV-6A project over the last 10 years, along with pitching in and helping out when I need extra hands, he is now thinking about buying a flying RV-6. He would like to find an RV-6 owner in the western Washington area that would be willing to take him on a short flight, or at least let him sit in an RV-6 to get a feel for the cockpit and sight picture on the ground. I think he may decide to build a plane sometime down the road, but right now is looking to buy first so I didn't suggest that he make a flight to Aurora for a Van's demo flight. If there's anybody out there willing to help get him hooked on RV flying, please reply to Larry at: 1flyer@wavecable.com Also, he's checking all the usual web classifieds, but if you know of a good RV-6 for sale, please send him a note. Looking in particular for VFR only, fixed pitch setup. Thanks, Chris Hand RV-6A, almost ready for finishing kit.... Poulsbo, WA ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:52 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Xcom @ SNF From: --> RV-List message posted by: Hi All, I am expecting my Xcom 760 to be delivered in about a week or so. Production has only just begun so expect a bit of a delay in shipment. I'll report back with performance etc as soon as I get is going. Cheers John Morrissey -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Mack Subject: RV-List: Xcom @ SNF --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" I am working on my panel. I am looking at the Xcom 760 radio from Oz. Did anyone happen to talk to them at SNF? They supposedly had a booth. I am wondering if they are actually shipping yet in the states and what they are saying about availability. Don Mack www.dmack.net don@dmack.net do not archive == == == == ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:06 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hi: I have an AeroSport 0320- 150.H.P.; the alternator that comes with the engine, has 3 wires. Yello is for warning light, heavier cable goes to the starter; but the green, goes to the pannel, for Alternator field? switch. Correct? is the purpose of this, I can only see if one wants to disable the alternator? when overcharge, or what? I just want to be sure I understand this... Thanks in advance for your comments Bert rv6a I see the light at the end. of the tunnel now.... Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:19 PM PST US From: "ed " Subject: RV-List: Care to recommend some workshop furnishings? --> RV-List message posted by: "ed " In preperation for starting my rv-8a qb, I was going to set up a table to be my work surface. In particular I am wondering if it makes sense to have a bench up against a wall, or will I be better served by something on wheels so I can back it away and work on things from all angles. Since I will probbably be building this myself, does anyone have a recommendation on what size I should make it? Also any recommendations for what size air compressor to get? Thanks for advising a soon to be builder, --Eddie ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:19 PM PST US From: "ed " Subject: RV-List: Care to recommend some workshop furnishings? --> RV-List message posted by: "ed " In preperation for starting my rv-8a qb, I was going to set up a table to be my work surface. In particular I am wondering if it makes sense to have a bench up against a wall, or will I be better served by something on wheels so I can back it away and work on things from all angles. Since I will probbably be building this myself, does anyone have a recommendation on what size I should make it? Also any recommendations for what size air compressor to get? Thanks for advising a soon to be builder, --Eddie ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:01 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Care to recommend some workshop furnishings? From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" Hi Eddie, I have a workbench set up against a wall, *and* a table for working round things. I suggest that you avoid a workbench on wheels... Murphy says that it'll move just when you don't want it to. OTOH, a wheeled trolley would be useful as a portable tool-rack. Don't make your wall-mounted workbench too deep... you won't be able to conveniently reach stuff that's at the far side. Mine is about 3 feet deep, and that's just a bit too much. But it does give room to store various tools and things. In its latest incarnation, my workbench protrudes a bit from the end of the wall, which makes a convenient area for working round things. On my bench, I have a little tray-thing with several little compartments which is good for keeping all the little tools that you need. And a block of wood with holes in it to keep drill bits in. Drilling and painting are the two things that really work your compressor. I started with a little home-made 1/3hp one, and it was too small. OTOH, it just meant being a bit savvy about working... drill a while, and when the pressure dropped too much, go and deburr/dimple/whatever for a while until pressure built up, then back to drilling. Had that compressor motor running for hours on end (maybe that's why it died?). I now have a 2.5hp compressor, and that's OK. Of course, a 5hp one would be better! Frank -----Original Message----- From: ed [mailto:ed_88@hotmail.com] Subject: RV-List: Care to recommend some workshop furnishings? --> RV-List message posted by: "ed " In preperation for starting my rv-8a qb, I was going to set up a table to be my work surface. In particular I am wondering if it makes sense to have a bench up against a wall, or will I be better served by something on wheels so I can back it away and work on things from all angles. Since I will probbably be building this myself, does anyone have a recommendation on what size I should make it? Also any recommendations for what size air compressor to get? Thanks for advising a soon to be builder, --Eddie Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future