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1. 05:38 AM - Antenna Cables Available (Wallace Enga)
2. 06:35 AM - electroaiir ei miss (Stucklen, Frederic IFC)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: autopilots (Dennis Parker)
4. 06:56 AM - Re: Mech Fuel Pump cooling shroud (Scott Bilinski)
5. 07:09 AM - Re: whelen strobes capacitors (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
6. 07:27 AM - FW: Les' Fly In at Rebel's Bluff (Frazier, Vincent A)
7. 08:50 AM - Re: Fuel Burn 0-320 (John Furey)
8. 08:52 AM - Atlanta Area Builders (Pete Howell)
9. 09:17 AM - POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? (Coers, John)
10. 09:56 AM - Re: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? (Scott Bilinski)
11. 10:02 AM - Re: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? (Paul Besing)
12. 10:16 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/02/04 (PSPRV6A@aol.com)
13. 11:07 AM - Carson City Fly-in (BRUCE GRAY)
14. 12:13 PM - bermuda (Wheeler North)
15. 12:15 PM - Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) (Bill Dube)
16. 01:18 PM - Re: Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) (Scott Bilinski)
17. 01:32 PM - Re: bermuda (Brian Denk)
18. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/02/04 (Bob U.)
19. 04:41 PM - Re: Atlanta Area Builders (RGray67968@aol.com)
20. 06:01 PM - RV6/A Gross Weight.... (RV6AOKC@aol.com)
21. 06:13 PM - RV-4 Jig - Long Island New York (HalBenjamin@aol.com)
22. 07:13 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (sportpilot)
23. 07:31 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Ed Anderson)
24. 08:05 PM - Rear view of vacuum gyros...a request. (Amit Dagan)
25. 08:40 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG))
26. 09:09 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight....LONG!!! (Stein Bruch)
27. 09:17 PM - Tailwheel Horn (Stein Bruch)
28. 09:18 PM - Re Was: RV6/A Gross Weight.... Now Vans for Flight Simulator (Karie Daniel)
29. 09:30 PM - 2 1/4" RPM + MP Display **or** Engine Power Monitor (Where to find???) (James E. Clark)
30. 09:53 PM - Lasar vs. Lightspeed (RSamuelson@aol.com)
31. 11:11 PM - Re: Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) (rv7a)
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| Subject: | Antenna Cables Available |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wallace Enga <wenga@svtv.com>
Jack,
I'll take two of the cables.
E-mail your preferred payment info.
Thanks
Wally Enga
At 09:30 PM 5/2/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jack <jgh2@charter.net>
>
>A number of list members reported that transponder and bent whip com
>antennas located under the fuselage worked well, so I started looking
>for a suitable cable. Various experts (including Bob N. at
><aeroelectric.com>) recommended RG-400 because of it's stranded center
>conductor, small bend radius, teflon insulation, and plated copper
>shield. However local and on-line sources wanted $1.75/foot and
>additional dollars for the connectors and attachment tool. I finally
>found a source who had unused 15' RG-400 cables with male BNC
>connectors and molded strain reliefs on each end. Unfortunately they
>had to be purchased in bulk and I now have more than I need. If you
>would be interested buying one or two, pictures are posted at
><http://webpages.charter.net/jghkah/cables/cables.html>. They are
>$18/cable (plus $5 dollars for shipping via US mail to a US address and
>$1 for each additional cable shipped to the same address).
>
>Jack H.
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| Subject: | electroaiir ei miss |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic IFC" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
Gary,
Sounds like the sensor on the magslot pickup has gone intermittent. Jeff
has changed vendors for this part because of quality issues. You should call
him..
I had a similar problem a number of years ago, and, since replacing the
sensor, it has not re-occurred....
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
Listers,
Yesterday Laird Owens, Paul Rosales annd myself returned to
florida fromm the bbahammas to get replacemment mmags for
hhis plane. on tthe return trip mmy EI acted up, miissing
aand spitting on the ei siide, smooothe running on the
mmag. I have checkked out the system aand could fiind
nothinng visually wrong. II plan on replacing the auto
pluts this mmmoorning. Anyone have anyy other ideas?
Gary Zilik Brokke doown inn FT Peirce fl.
This keyboard suckks with multipple characters. sorry
my cell number is 303 538 2342
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis Parker" <dennis@k2workflow.com>
This is an interesting thread. I have been asking the same questions and
could do with some help from somebody who understands this well. My
understanding is that the GPS vertical guidance will allow the autopilot
to take guidance from a suitable equipped GPS (Garmin 430 or the CNX80)
and feed that to the autopilot. So if that is the case and you have a
certified GPS approach (WAAS - whatever that means) then the IIVSG
should effectively be able to shoot an ILS. Although not in NAV mode as
it does not have the ability to do anything with a localizer or glide
slope.
To confuse this further though, what does it do if you set the CNX80 up
for the localizer and glideslope (i.e. for an ILS approach) using the
NAV function on the CNX80? I would have thought that the ARINC interface
coming from the CNX80 unit to the IIVSG would not be able to
differentiate from data coming from the GPS or the NAV sections of that
box.
So the question from someone who really knows about this is: Does ARINC
differentiate GPS based guidance data from localizer / glideslope data?
Regards
Dennis Parker
RV7
71041
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Subject: RE: RV-List: autopilots
--> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Noel,
I was under the impression that the IIVSG couldn't shoot an ILS (only
GPS with v/guidance). My understanding comes from reviewing the product
capability matrix
(http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ttfsproducts.html) and from a short
discussion with the TruTrak folks although I may not have asked the
right questions. Isn't it the Nav Modes feature that allows a LOC or
ILS approach? I've been thinking about a DFC 200 (or maybe 250) but
would really like to have vertical GPS guidance ala the IIVSG. My phone
call implied that this would probably be added to the DFC series in the
future. If the IIVSG can really do an ILS approach, what does the "Nav
Modes" on the DFC series feature provide? Since they both use the same
servos I've ordered them for my RV-10 but held off on the actual
autopilot.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Yoshie
Simmons
Subject: RE: RV-List: autopilots
--> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
--> <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
TruTrak Digiflight IIVSG $4995.00 coupled up to the CNX-80 will do
every thing you need. By itself; wing level, heading mode (internal Mag
sensor), Altitude hold along with climb/descend @ airspeed/Feet. Has
minim airspeed and max airspeed. CNX-80 has the vertical steering, GPS
steering, VOR, LOC, Glide slope and all the other great things I like.
Actually the CNX-80 is my favorite GPS/COM easy to use.
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Mech Fuel Pump cooling shroud |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Try here: http://www.wentworthaircraft.com/
They wanted 100.00 bucks when I called them for one about a year ago.
At 04:56 PM 4/30/04 +0000, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: jacklockamy@att.net
>
>Local friend of mine also building an RV-7A (w/0-360 FP) is looking for a
>cooling shroud for the engine-driven mechanical fuel pump.
>
>Anyone have a source where he can purchase one? Internet and archive
>searches have come up empty for us.
>
>Thanks,
>Jack Lockamy
>Camarillo, CA
>-7A/slider/CS/0320
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | whelen strobes capacitors |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Most times these bad units can be sent in to Whelen and they will fix them
for a nominal fee of $150.00
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of CBRxxDRV@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: whelen strobes capacitors
--> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
Any one have a source for the whelen strobe capacitors. It
seems as though I have a bad one.
TIA
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
My Home Page
http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
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| Subject: | FW: Les' Fly In at Rebel's Bluff |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Les Featherston is having his 2nd annual fly-in on June 5th. Details
below.
The best date for all concerned seems to be June 5th. So that's it! I
am advertising it for June 5th. Can you let the Indy group know, and
try to rouse a big interest? Details are 10:00AM, N37 06.1, and W93
52.2, or two miles NNE of Mt Vernon International AP (2MO). UNICOM is
122.9. Come and stay overnight just like last year. We will have the
Boy Scouts providing lunch. Dinner will be about $8 for steak or
Bar-B-Que Chicken with all the trimmings. Overnight camping is
encouraged (for the hearty souls) and Super 8 is the other option. I
have it coming out on Doug Reeve's website, and if Van's cooperates, on
their calander page. Please tell me you are coming, See you soon, Les
417-425-3595
For a few pics of last year's fly-in:
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Photo%20Gallery.html
More info later, but make yer plans now!!!!
Vince
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Burn 0-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
I have an RV6A with an O-320 Senenich 80" pitch. I always run at 70% power
(2000'~10000') based upon my % of power instrument. I am full rich which is
about 50 degrees rich of peak(JPI). I plan 8 GPH take off to touch down.
True air speed 155~160 kts depending on altitude.
John
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| Subject: | Atlanta Area Builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pete Howell" <pete.howell@gecko-group.com>
Hello,
I find myself in Atlanta (Marietta)on business tomorrow (5/4) with a
free night. Anybody in the area interested in flying or building and
some dinner?
Pete Howell
-9A wings
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| Subject: | POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Coers, John" <John.Coers@fkilogistex.com>
Hi Guys,
I have a question that may make you think I'm nuts. I am working on my wings
at this point, but I'm thinking ahead to painting and am considering
painting the aircraft as components.
Here's my question(s): I have seen a powder coating system from Eastwood
that utilizes a infrared heat lamp to cure powder coat. The lamp heats small
areas of a piece to 400 degrees for the curing process. They sell a lower
temp curing powder coat for structural aluminum that only requires 320
degrees to cure. Do you think it would be possible to powder coat the finish
of my airplane? Would the heating of the aluminum be a problem? Am I nuts?
Do you think powder coat would work as a exterior finish? Has anyone else
tried this?
I would really like to hear what you guys think of this idea.
Thank you!
John Coers
90780
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| Subject: | Re: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Powder coating is heavy and chips easily, at least on my gear legs it sure
did. I dont recall what temp 2024 can take before it looses its original
heat treating but I would sure want to look that up before heating any of
the aircraft aluminium.beyond a few hundred degrees.
At 12:10 PM 5/3/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Coers, John" <John.Coers@fkilogistex.com>
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>I have a question that may make you think I'm nuts. I am working on my wings
>at this point, but I'm thinking ahead to painting and am considering
>painting the aircraft as components.
>
>Here's my question(s): I have seen a powder coating system from Eastwood
>that utilizes a infrared heat lamp to cure powder coat. The lamp heats small
>areas of a piece to 400 degrees for the curing process. They sell a lower
>temp curing powder coat for structural aluminum that only requires 320
>degrees to cure. Do you think it would be possible to powder coat the finish
>of my airplane? Would the heating of the aluminum be a problem? Am I nuts?
>Do you think powder coat would work as a exterior finish? Has anyone else
>tried this?
>
>I would really like to hear what you guys think of this idea.
>
>Thank you!
>
>John Coers
>90780
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
You can't powder coat the fiberglass, so you would have to at least paint
that. Plus, if the powder coat chips, you are in trouble. I think powder
coating is great for the steel parts, but that is where I would leave it.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Coers, John" <John.Coers@fkilogistex.com>
Subject: RV-List: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Coers, John" <John.Coers@fkilogistex.com>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I have a question that may make you think I'm nuts. I am working on my
wings
> at this point, but I'm thinking ahead to painting and am considering
> painting the aircraft as components.
>
> Here's my question(s): I have seen a powder coating system from Eastwood
> that utilizes a infrared heat lamp to cure powder coat. The lamp heats
small
> areas of a piece to 400 degrees for the curing process. They sell a lower
> temp curing powder coat for structural aluminum that only requires 320
> degrees to cure. Do you think it would be possible to powder coat the
finish
> of my airplane? Would the heating of the aluminum be a problem? Am I nuts?
> Do you think powder coat would work as a exterior finish? Has anyone else
> tried this?
>
> I would really like to hear what you guys think of this idea.
>
> Thank you!
>
> John Coers
> 90780
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/02/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: PSPRV6A@aol.com
FUEL BURN O-320
My brother & I have flown a 1975 172 since NEW mostly on mostly on car
gas the last 20 years. At low cruise power, 20" Hg & 2000 RPM, lean mixture,
fuel burn is at or below 6 gal/ tach-hr. That means burn per clock hour is
less, about 5.6/hr. I can be done! The 172 is slow enough you're not going to
get anywhere in a hurry, so you might as well relax and enjoy it. This is the
low-compression 0-320 80 octane engine.
Paul S. Petersen, Partner with son Eric
RV6A 90% & 50% to go
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| Subject: | Carson City Fly-in |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
It was a success for the 1st Silver State RV Fly-in. There were 51
registered fly-in aircraft with 31 of them being RV's. Yes, I am counting
the Factory RV-10 flown in by Ken Scott and the Exxon Flying Tiger flown in
by Bruce Bohannon himself. Over 300 general public showed and everyone
enjoyed the weather and food. We look forward to making this an annual event
if the interest is there. Don't think it will be a problem. Bruce Gray RV8
Wings
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
THINK TRIANGLE, FLY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
;{)
do not archive
Listers,
Yesterday Laird Owens, Paul Rosales annd myself returned to
florida fromm the bbahammas to get replacemment mmags for
hhis plane. on tthe return trip mmy EI acted up, miissing
aand spitting on the ei siide, smooothe running on the
mmag. I have checkked out the system aand could fiind
nothinng visually wrong. II plan on replacing the auto
pluts this mmmoorning. Anyone have anyy other ideas?
Gary Zilik Brokke doown inn FT Peirce fl.
This keyboard suckks with multipple characters. sorry
my cell number is 303 538 2342
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| Subject: | Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
At 12:02 PM 5/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
>You can't powder coat the fiberglass, so you would have to at least paint
>that. Plus, if the powder coat chips, you are in trouble. I think powder
>coating is great for the steel parts, but that is where I would leave it.
I agree. Powder coat is great for steel parts. Aluminum has many
superior options. Zinc chromate primer and then paint are the standard.
Anodizing could work. Anodizing is astoundingly simple and
inexpensive to do. It is also durable and lightweight.
http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize99.html
My pal bought the above kit (with instructions) and got
outstanding results on the modest-sized parts he anodized. I can't see why
it would not work just as well on large parts.
I have no idea whether anodizing an airplane skin would be
effective or how long the surface would hold up to the weather. High
quality dye would be a must for parts exposed to UV. It would definitely be
unique look for an airplane, however.
I should note that you can't easily anodize 7075 aluminum or the
2000 series aluminum. It has too much copper. You can easily anodize 6061
and 5000 series as well as pure aluminum.
I'll try a chunk of Alclad and see how it comes out.
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| Subject: | Re: Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
FYI. Anodized parts do fade.
At 01:14 PM 5/3/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
>At 12:02 PM 5/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>>
>>You can't powder coat the fiberglass, so you would have to at least paint
>>that. Plus, if the powder coat chips, you are in trouble. I think powder
>>coating is great for the steel parts, but that is where I would leave it.
>
> I agree. Powder coat is great for steel parts. Aluminum has many
>superior options. Zinc chromate primer and then paint are the standard.
>
> Anodizing could work. Anodizing is astoundingly simple and
>inexpensive to do. It is also durable and lightweight.
>
> http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize99.html
>
> My pal bought the above kit (with instructions) and got
>outstanding results on the modest-sized parts he anodized. I can't see why
>it would not work just as well on large parts.
>
> I have no idea whether anodizing an airplane skin would be
>effective or how long the surface would hold up to the weather. High
>quality dye would be a must for parts exposed to UV. It would definitely be
>unique look for an airplane, however.
>
> I should note that you can't easily anodize 7075 aluminum or the
>2000 series aluminum. It has too much copper. You can easily anodize 6061
>and 5000 series as well as pure aluminum.
>
> I'll try a chunk of Alclad and see how it comes out.
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>Listers,
>
>Yesterday Laird Owens, Paul Rosales annd myself returned to
>florida fromm the bbahammas to get replacemment mmags for
>hhis plane. on tthe return trip mmy EI acted up, miissing
>aand spitting on the ei siide, smooothe running on the
>mmag. I have checkked out the system aand could fiind
>nothinng visually wrong. II plan on replacing the auto
>pluts this mmmoorning. Anyone have anyy other ideas?
>
>Gary Zilik Brokke doown inn FT Peirce fl.
>
>This keyboard suckks with multipple characters. sorry
>
>my cell number is 303 538 2342
Tried this cell number but could not connect.
Anyone else have an update?
In the meantime, as an EI owner, I would check the following:
1. toggle switch/keyswitch integrity
2. cable from hall sensor/mag module to black box connections
3. cable chafing
4. coils for cracks or signs of arcing
5. spark plug leads for cracks or burn through
6. manifold pressure line
I list the switch as number 1 because I've had a dirty toggle switch go
intermittent on my remaining mag.
Gary, Laird, Rosie and the other Triangle Travellers, take care and get home
safely!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
wishin' I wuz on da beach too!
Mothers Day is May 9. Make it special with great ideas from the Mothers
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/02/04 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
>FUEL BURN O-320
> My brother & I have flown a 1975 172 since NEW mostly on mostly on car
>gas the last 20 years. At low cruise power, 20" Hg & 2000 RPM, lean mixture,
>fuel burn is at or below 6 gal/ tach-hr. That means burn per clock hour is
>less, about 5.6/hr. I can be done! The 172 is slow enough you're not going to
>get anywhere in a hurry, so you might as well relax and enjoy it. This is the
>low-compression 0-320 80 octane engine.
> Paul S. Petersen, Partner with son Eric
>RV6A 90% & 50% to go
>
Hmmmmm....
Whatz wrong with cruising over 50% faster than your C172 at your frugal
fuel flow ? :-)
Your tightwad RPM strategy works quite well with RV's too.
Most of the time, I've no need to go 200 mph.
Most of the time, I've too much month at the end of the money.
Bob - RV3 MOGAS driver
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| Subject: | Re: Atlanta Area Builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
Many of the Atlanta (Team RV) folks are smack dab in the middle of their
Turks trip right now.
You might try their Yahoo site though:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AtlRVers/
Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
Hello,
I find myself in Atlanta (Marietta)on business tomorrow (5/4) with a
free night. Anybody in the area interested in flying or building and
some dinner?
Pete Howell
-9A wings
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| Subject: | RV6/A Gross Weight.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
Howdy all....just a quick survey from those in the know who might have a
flying 6 or 6A.....what do you use for your Gross Weight figure for your aircraft?
I have seen varing things from 1650 to 1900......I have an old email from
vans listing up to 1800 but limiting to 4.5 G's (1750/4.7G, 1700/4.8G)....manual
that I'm using to format my Flight Handbook uses 1900 Lbs.....I suppose this
varies as much as anything else on here.....oh and vans Weight and Balance
instruction says we set the Gross Weight?? Anyway....=)....ideas???
Kurt in OKC...
Almost flying.....
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| Subject: | RV-4 Jig - Long Island New York |
--> RV-List message posted by: HalBenjamin@aol.com
Listers,
I'll be finished with my wooden fuselage jig in a couple of weeks. It's free
to anybody who wants to come and get it!
Hal Benjamin
RV-4, Almost sea worthy
Long Island, NY
(631)385-6016
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| Subject: | Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportpilot@moneypit.com>
Anyone have or know were to find RV9a or any RV flight sim 2004 files ?
thanks in advance..
Danny..
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| Subject: | Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Kurt,
I set my RV-6A Gross Weight at 1800 lbs. The FAA says you - the
manufacture gets to make that decision. I have flow mine at 1750 lbs. Let
me suggest this, IF you list it at 1650 lbs and then fly it at 1675 lbs and
have an accident you insurance will likely not cover the claim because you
were outside the aircraft operating limitations. FWIW
Ed
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV6AOKC@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight....
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
>
> Howdy all....just a quick survey from those in the know who might have a
> flying 6 or 6A.....what do you use for your Gross Weight figure for your
aircraft?
> I have seen varing things from 1650 to 1900......I have an old email from
> vans listing up to 1800 but limiting to 4.5 G's (1750/4.7G,
1700/4.8G)....manual
> that I'm using to format my Flight Handbook uses 1900 Lbs.....I suppose
this
> varies as much as anything else on here.....oh and vans Weight and Balance
> instruction says we set the Gross Weight?? Anyway....=)....ideas???
>
> Kurt in OKC...
>
> Almost flying.....
>
> Do Not Archive
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>
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| Subject: | Rear view of vacuum gyros...a request. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
This might sound odd, but if there is anyone out there with R.C. Allen
vacuum gyros (DG and AI) on their bench, I would very much appreciate a
picture of the units from the rear.
I want to know the locations of the vac hoses connections.
(Since you can't simply post files to the RV-list, either post the pix with
a direct reply to me, or on the matronics picture server).
Thanks,
Amit.
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| Subject: | RV6/A Gross Weight.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" <F.vanderHulst@ucol.ac.nz>
There must surely be a downside to upping your Max Gross Weight though?
Don't you have to justify to the FAA *why* your RV-6A is apparently safe
to fly at 1800lbs, whilst Van's one isn't?
-----Original Message-----
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
I set my RV-6A Gross Weight at 1800 lbs. The FAA says you - the
manufacture gets to make that decision.
Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online
at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL
(0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information
and make a good move to UCOL Universal College of
Learning.
Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your
future
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| Subject: | RV6/A Gross Weight....LONG!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi all,
My usual 2 cents........
I have 2 RV6's with 2 different gross weights.
N664SB-360 powered (small tail) at 1800lbs gross (1085 empty).
N64YU -320 powered (HUGE tail) at 1700lbs gross (1042 empty).
I've had a lot of arguments (discussions) with people about gross weight,
and there is a LOT of mis-information out there about this figure. Let me
be very frank and honest here.
The gross weight is NOT a number you arbitrarily choose because you think it
would be "nice" to have the extra load carrying capability. It simply
doesn't work that way!!!
For example, I can load my -360 powered -6 with 2 200lb people, full fuel
and a lot of baggage to arrive at 1800lbs and still be well in the CG range.
NOW, just because it works at gross, you also need to calculate the same
load with the fuel burned off (aft CG) and see if you're OK. Many planes
loaded like that are not within the specified CG with no fuel, even though
at gross they appeared fine.
Next, my -320 powered RV6 with the heavy RV9 tail can only have 2 200lb
guys, full fuel and about 30lbs of baggage to arrive at 1700lbs.
You can load the crap out of these planes with full fuel, but do your CG
calculations with only 5 gallons and you'll see the CG moves aft between
.75-1.5" depending on the RV type (side by side or tandem, engine, etc..)
with fuel burn. If you're already close to the aft limit with your plane
loaded, then burning fuel will push you past.
CG ranges are not something to take lightly---As are Gross weight
determinations. Yes, you can put anything on the data plate, but I try to
get people to do all the CG calculations and see what happens.
Surprisingly, many builders only do an empty CG and a gross CG, never
thinking carefully about FWD, AFT or Aerobatic CG's and weights.
Those of you who simply "pick a number" because you read somewhere that
someone else has 1800 or 1900 or whatever should be dope slapped!! Keep in
mind that the insurance companies will also look at loading along with the
"gross weight" when determining liability and responsibility for loss. Each
plane will be different, and therefore each person should do a complete set
of CG calculations until they arrive at a number that satisfies all
conditions.
Hate to sound harsh here, but I really don't want people to go randomly
picking things like this as a CYA idea or because of someone elses plane.
If youf plane can only handle 1650 gross or at aft CG, then that's what you
should put it at. Don't pick 1700 because it's simply a higher number.
Also, the "aerobatic" (above 4G's) loading is not simply a linear relation
to loading....another misnomer. You'll notice the Aerobatic CG for the RV6
more restrictive than the full "Utility" CG.
Here's what I recommend. Do the following CG calculations and see what
works for your gross weight.
Empty CG (complete with PAINT, Oil, & Unusable Fuel - Fill the tanks, then
drain them).
Gross CG (2 fat "200lb" people like me, full fuel, and as much baggage as
the CG will handle).
----THEN-----
AFT CG (Using the same loading as above, but with only 5 gallons of fuel)
FWD CG (1 light pilot, Full Fuel, & NO baggage).
Aerobatic CG (Fat pilot, no baggage, and see how much fuel you can carry).
I can have 26 Gallons!!!
Do all of the above about 50 times and you'll find a Gross weight that
actually means something and works.
Well, I hope this note didn't sound to harsh or upset too many people, but
there has been an awfull lot of "urban legends" starting to creep up in the
last year regarding things like this and I hate to see it. Just trying to
help someone out!!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minnepolis.
FYI, the RV7/9 tail weights nearly 15lbs more than the old "Small" RV6
Tail!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight....
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
>
> Howdy all....just a quick survey from those in the know who might have a
> flying 6 or 6A.....what do you use for your Gross Weight figure for your
aircraft?
> I have seen varing things from 1650 to 1900......I have an old email from
> vans listing up to 1800 but limiting to 4.5 G's (1750/4.7G,
1700/4.8G)....manual
> that I'm using to format my Flight Handbook uses 1900 Lbs.....I suppose
this
> varies as much as anything else on here.....oh and vans Weight and Balance
> instruction says we set the Gross Weight?? Anyway....=)....ideas???
>
> Kurt in OKC...
>
> Almost flying.....
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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"Rv6-List" <rv6-list@matronics.com>, "Rv-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi All,
Quick and stupid question....has anyone else managed to wear out the
tailwheel horn??? I mean the steel plate that the chains connect to on the
top of the tailwheel. It has a slot machined in it where the locking pin
rides.
Mine is fairly worn out and the tailwheel no longer even locks at all. By
worn, I mean the little slot that the pin rides in is rounded out almost
completely. It's been progressively getting worse over the past 6 months,
but I finally have to fix it. I usually kept it greased up too, but maybe
not enough since I fly off a grass strip.....
200+hrs and 400+landings (still using same "cheap" tires, almost look new)!
Not much fun with a full swiveling tailwheel ALL the time, especially in the
wind!!
Anyway, just wondering, since I have to order another one from Van's -or-
now I can order the "go fast" rocekt tailwheel link!!!
Cheers,
Stein
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| Subject: | RV6/A Gross Weight.... Now Vans for Flight Simulator |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I sent this a few months ago, it a great download for FS. No 9 though, just
a 7. (not just a 7) :-)
First of all, I am in no way associated with Flight Factory Simulations! I'm
just a fan of MS Flight Simulator. The link below is to a company who has
just released an RV-7 for MS Flight Simulator. The cost for the aircraft is
$19.00 bucks. The RV-7 comes equipped with a tip-up canopy, 200hp engine and
it's a tail dragger. The flight dynamics are fairly realistic and it has a
downloadable POH that is included in the price.
If you like simulations for practicing approaches, maneuvers or whatever
then why not have an RV-7? I spent some time with it and it's was a kick to
show my family what my airplane will look like........some day.
http://www.flightfactory-simulations.com/
Karie Daniel
Sammamish, WA
RV-7A QB in progress
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From: "sportpilot" <sportpilot@moneypit.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight....
> --> RV-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportpilot@moneypit.com>
>
> Anyone have or know were to find RV9a or any RV flight sim 2004 files
?
>
> thanks in advance..
>
> Danny..
>
>
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| Subject: | 2 1/4" RPM + MP Display **or** Engine Power Monitor (Where to |
find???)
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Does anyone out there in RV-Land know where I can find a combined Tach and
Manifold Pressure display that fits into a 2 1/4" hole????
I want to replace the two gauges from Van's with **ONE** that fits into the
same size hole.
The "Engine Power Monitor" from "Technology Kitchen" used to do this and
seemingly did a fine job. BUT (!!) the product was sold to Alcor (***I
think***) some time ago and they don't seem to have rolled out anything
based on it.
I have sent email to both places ... just in case, but do not expect much of
a positive reply thus the appeal to the list.
Sooooo.... if you have an old EPM just lying around collecting dust because
you decided to go with the VM1000 or something ... let me take it off your
hands! :-) Or if you know of such a gauge from someone else, please let me
know.
Thanks,
James
... trying to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 9lb RV6 panel
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| Subject: | Lasar vs. Lightspeed |
--> RV-List message posted by: RSamuelson@aol.com
Can anyone compare/contrast the Lasar Ignition vs the Lightspeed Plasma II on
an O- 360.
Thanks for the info.
Roy Samuelson
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| Subject: | Re: Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: rv7a <rv7a@prosody.org>
I would not anodize any aircraft skins.
Things like canopy hardware ok.
Anodizing creates a hard thin coating on the aluminum.
The coating has a different hardness than the base metal.
This may well lead to stress cracking.
Boeing skins are not anodized. They are alodined.
I worked at Boeing as a Chemical Process Engineer.
Joe
N633Z @ AWO
19.8 hours!
On Mon, 3 May 2004, Scott Bilinski wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> FYI. Anodized parts do fade.
>
> At 01:14 PM 5/3/04 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
> >
> >At 12:02 PM 5/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
> >
> > I have no idea whether anodizing an airplane skin would be
> >effective or how long the surface would hold up to the weather. High
> >quality dye would be a must for parts exposed to UV. It would definitely be
> >unique look for an airplane, however.
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