---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/03/04: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:38 AM - Antenna Cables Available (Wallace Enga) 2. 06:35 AM - electroaiir ei miss (Stucklen, Frederic IFC) 3. 06:45 AM - Re: autopilots (Dennis Parker) 4. 06:56 AM - Re: Mech Fuel Pump cooling shroud (Scott Bilinski) 5. 07:09 AM - Re: whelen strobes capacitors (Noel & Yoshie Simmons) 6. 07:27 AM - FW: Les' Fly In at Rebel's Bluff (Frazier, Vincent A) 7. 08:50 AM - Re: Fuel Burn 0-320 (John Furey) 8. 08:52 AM - Atlanta Area Builders (Pete Howell) 9. 09:17 AM - POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? (Coers, John) 10. 09:56 AM - Re: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? (Scott Bilinski) 11. 10:02 AM - Re: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? (Paul Besing) 12. 10:16 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/02/04 (PSPRV6A@aol.com) 13. 11:07 AM - Carson City Fly-in (BRUCE GRAY) 14. 12:13 PM - bermuda (Wheeler North) 15. 12:15 PM - Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) (Bill Dube) 16. 01:18 PM - Re: Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) (Scott Bilinski) 17. 01:32 PM - Re: bermuda (Brian Denk) 18. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/02/04 (Bob U.) 19. 04:41 PM - Re: Atlanta Area Builders (RGray67968@aol.com) 20. 06:01 PM - RV6/A Gross Weight.... (RV6AOKC@aol.com) 21. 06:13 PM - RV-4 Jig - Long Island New York (HalBenjamin@aol.com) 22. 07:13 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (sportpilot) 23. 07:31 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Ed Anderson) 24. 08:05 PM - Rear view of vacuum gyros...a request. (Amit Dagan) 25. 08:40 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)) 26. 09:09 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight....LONG!!! (Stein Bruch) 27. 09:17 PM - Tailwheel Horn (Stein Bruch) 28. 09:18 PM - Re Was: RV6/A Gross Weight.... Now Vans for Flight Simulator (Karie Daniel) 29. 09:30 PM - 2 1/4" RPM + MP Display **or** Engine Power Monitor (Where to find???) (James E. Clark) 30. 09:53 PM - Lasar vs. Lightspeed (RSamuelson@aol.com) 31. 11:11 PM - Re: Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) (rv7a) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:42 AM PST US From: Wallace Enga Subject: RV-List: Antenna Cables Available --> RV-List message posted by: Wallace Enga Jack, I'll take two of the cables. E-mail your preferred payment info. Thanks Wally Enga At 09:30 PM 5/2/04 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jack > >A number of list members reported that transponder and bent whip com >antennas located under the fuselage worked well, so I started looking >for a suitable cable. Various experts (including Bob N. at >) recommended RG-400 because of it's stranded center >conductor, small bend radius, teflon insulation, and plated copper >shield. However local and on-line sources wanted $1.75/foot and >additional dollars for the connectors and attachment tool. I finally >found a source who had unused 15' RG-400 cables with male BNC >connectors and molded strain reliefs on each end. Unfortunately they >had to be purchased in bulk and I now have more than I need. If you >would be interested buying one or two, pictures are posted at >. They are >$18/cable (plus $5 dollars for shipping via US mail to a US address and >$1 for each additional cable shipped to the same address). > >Jack H. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:14 AM PST US From: "Stucklen, Frederic IFC" Subject: RV-List: electroaiir ei miss --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic IFC" Gary, Sounds like the sensor on the magslot pickup has gone intermittent. Jeff has changed vendors for this part because of quality issues. You should call him.. I had a similar problem a number of years ago, and, since replacing the sensor, it has not re-occurred.... Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV Listers, Yesterday Laird Owens, Paul Rosales annd myself returned to florida fromm the bbahammas to get replacemment mmags for hhis plane. on tthe return trip mmy EI acted up, miissing aand spitting on the ei siide, smooothe running on the mmag. I have checkked out the system aand could fiind nothinng visually wrong. II plan on replacing the auto pluts this mmmoorning. Anyone have anyy other ideas? Gary Zilik Brokke doown inn FT Peirce fl. This keyboard suckks with multipple characters. sorry my cell number is 303 538 2342 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: autopilots From: "Dennis Parker" --> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis Parker" This is an interesting thread. I have been asking the same questions and could do with some help from somebody who understands this well. My understanding is that the GPS vertical guidance will allow the autopilot to take guidance from a suitable equipped GPS (Garmin 430 or the CNX80) and feed that to the autopilot. So if that is the case and you have a certified GPS approach (WAAS - whatever that means) then the IIVSG should effectively be able to shoot an ILS. Although not in NAV mode as it does not have the ability to do anything with a localizer or glide slope. To confuse this further though, what does it do if you set the CNX80 up for the localizer and glideslope (i.e. for an ILS approach) using the NAV function on the CNX80? I would have thought that the ARINC interface coming from the CNX80 unit to the IIVSG would not be able to differentiate from data coming from the GPS or the NAV sections of that box. So the question from someone who really knows about this is: Does ARINC differentiate GPS based guidance data from localizer / glideslope data? Regards Dennis Parker RV7 71041 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Subject: RE: RV-List: autopilots --> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Noel, I was under the impression that the IIVSG couldn't shoot an ILS (only GPS with v/guidance). My understanding comes from reviewing the product capability matrix (http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ttfsproducts.html) and from a short discussion with the TruTrak folks although I may not have asked the right questions. Isn't it the Nav Modes feature that allows a LOC or ILS approach? I've been thinking about a DFC 200 (or maybe 250) but would really like to have vertical GPS guidance ala the IIVSG. My phone call implied that this would probably be added to the DFC series in the future. If the IIVSG can really do an ILS approach, what does the "Nav Modes" on the DFC series feature provide? Since they both use the same servos I've ordered them for my RV-10 but held off on the actual autopilot. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Yoshie Simmons Subject: RE: RV-List: autopilots --> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" --> TruTrak Digiflight IIVSG $4995.00 coupled up to the CNX-80 will do every thing you need. By itself; wing level, heading mode (internal Mag sensor), Altitude hold along with climb/descend @ airspeed/Feet. Has minim airspeed and max airspeed. CNX-80 has the vertical steering, GPS steering, VOR, LOC, Glide slope and all the other great things I like. Actually the CNX-80 is my favorite GPS/COM easy to use. Noel == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == == == == == ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:45 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Mech Fuel Pump cooling shroud --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Try here: http://www.wentworthaircraft.com/ They wanted 100.00 bucks when I called them for one about a year ago. At 04:56 PM 4/30/04 +0000, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: jacklockamy@att.net > >Local friend of mine also building an RV-7A (w/0-360 FP) is looking for a >cooling shroud for the engine-driven mechanical fuel pump. > >Anyone have a source where he can purchase one? Internet and archive >searches have come up empty for us. > >Thanks, >Jack Lockamy >Camarillo, CA >-7A/slider/CS/0320 > >Do Not Archive > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:46 AM PST US From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" Subject: RE: RV-List: whelen strobes capacitors --> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" Most times these bad units can be sent in to Whelen and they will fix them for a nominal fee of $150.00 Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: RV-List: whelen strobes capacitors --> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Any one have a source for the whelen strobe capacitors. It seems as though I have a bad one. TIA Sal Capra Lakeland, FL My Home Page http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:06 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: FW: Les' Fly In at Rebel's Bluff From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" Les Featherston is having his 2nd annual fly-in on June 5th. Details below. The best date for all concerned seems to be June 5th. So that's it! I am advertising it for June 5th. Can you let the Indy group know, and try to rouse a big interest? Details are 10:00AM, N37 06.1, and W93 52.2, or two miles NNE of Mt Vernon International AP (2MO). UNICOM is 122.9. Come and stay overnight just like last year. We will have the Boy Scouts providing lunch. Dinner will be about $8 for steak or Bar-B-Que Chicken with all the trimmings. Overnight camping is encouraged (for the hearty souls) and Super 8 is the other option. I have it coming out on Doug Reeve's website, and if Van's cooperates, on their calander page. Please tell me you are coming, See you soon, Les 417-425-3595 For a few pics of last year's fly-in: http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Photo%20Gallery.html More info later, but make yer plans now!!!! Vince ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:49 AM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Burn 0-320 --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" I have an RV6A with an O-320 Senenich 80" pitch. I always run at 70% power (2000'~10000') based upon my % of power instrument. I am full rich which is about 50 degrees rich of peak(JPI). I plan 8 GPH take off to touch down. True air speed 155~160 kts depending on altitude. John ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:43 AM PST US From: "Pete Howell" Subject: RV-List: Atlanta Area Builders --> RV-List message posted by: "Pete Howell" Hello, I find myself in Atlanta (Marietta)on business tomorrow (5/4) with a free night. Anybody in the area interested in flying or building and some dinner? Pete Howell -9A wings ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:58 AM PST US From: "Coers, John" Subject: RV-List: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? --> RV-List message posted by: "Coers, John" Hi Guys, I have a question that may make you think I'm nuts. I am working on my wings at this point, but I'm thinking ahead to painting and am considering painting the aircraft as components. Here's my question(s): I have seen a powder coating system from Eastwood that utilizes a infrared heat lamp to cure powder coat. The lamp heats small areas of a piece to 400 degrees for the curing process. They sell a lower temp curing powder coat for structural aluminum that only requires 320 degrees to cure. Do you think it would be possible to powder coat the finish of my airplane? Would the heating of the aluminum be a problem? Am I nuts? Do you think powder coat would work as a exterior finish? Has anyone else tried this? I would really like to hear what you guys think of this idea. Thank you! John Coers 90780 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:49 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Powder coating is heavy and chips easily, at least on my gear legs it sure did. I dont recall what temp 2024 can take before it looses its original heat treating but I would sure want to look that up before heating any of the aircraft aluminium.beyond a few hundred degrees. At 12:10 PM 5/3/04 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Coers, John" > >Hi Guys, > >I have a question that may make you think I'm nuts. I am working on my wings >at this point, but I'm thinking ahead to painting and am considering >painting the aircraft as components. > >Here's my question(s): I have seen a powder coating system from Eastwood >that utilizes a infrared heat lamp to cure powder coat. The lamp heats small >areas of a piece to 400 degrees for the curing process. They sell a lower >temp curing powder coat for structural aluminum that only requires 320 >degrees to cure. Do you think it would be possible to powder coat the finish >of my airplane? Would the heating of the aluminum be a problem? Am I nuts? >Do you think powder coat would work as a exterior finish? Has anyone else >tried this? > >I would really like to hear what you guys think of this idea. > >Thank you! > >John Coers >90780 > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:50 AM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" You can't powder coat the fiberglass, so you would have to at least paint that. Plus, if the powder coat chips, you are in trouble. I think powder coating is great for the steel parts, but that is where I would leave it. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold RV-10 Soon http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coers, John" Subject: RV-List: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Coers, John" > > Hi Guys, > > I have a question that may make you think I'm nuts. I am working on my wings > at this point, but I'm thinking ahead to painting and am considering > painting the aircraft as components. > > Here's my question(s): I have seen a powder coating system from Eastwood > that utilizes a infrared heat lamp to cure powder coat. The lamp heats small > areas of a piece to 400 degrees for the curing process. They sell a lower > temp curing powder coat for structural aluminum that only requires 320 > degrees to cure. Do you think it would be possible to powder coat the finish > of my airplane? Would the heating of the aluminum be a problem? Am I nuts? > Do you think powder coat would work as a exterior finish? Has anyone else > tried this? > > I would really like to hear what you guys think of this idea. > > Thank you! > > John Coers > 90780 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:37 AM PST US From: PSPRV6A@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/02/04 --> RV-List message posted by: PSPRV6A@aol.com FUEL BURN O-320 My brother & I have flown a 1975 172 since NEW mostly on mostly on car gas the last 20 years. At low cruise power, 20" Hg & 2000 RPM, lean mixture, fuel burn is at or below 6 gal/ tach-hr. That means burn per clock hour is less, about 5.6/hr. I can be done! The 172 is slow enough you're not going to get anywhere in a hurry, so you might as well relax and enjoy it. This is the low-compression 0-320 80 octane engine. Paul S. Petersen, Partner with son Eric RV6A 90% & 50% to go ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:01 AM PST US From: "BRUCE GRAY" Subject: RV-List: Carson City Fly-in --> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" It was a success for the 1st Silver State RV Fly-in. There were 51 registered fly-in aircraft with 31 of them being RV's. Yes, I am counting the Factory RV-10 flown in by Ken Scott and the Exxon Flying Tiger flown in by Bruce Bohannon himself. Over 300 general public showed and everyone enjoyed the weather and food. We look forward to making this an annual event if the interest is there. Don't think it will be a problem. Bruce Gray RV8 Wings ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:14 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: bermuda --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North THINK TRIANGLE, FLY SOMEWHERE ELSE. ;{) do not archive Listers, Yesterday Laird Owens, Paul Rosales annd myself returned to florida fromm the bbahammas to get replacemment mmags for hhis plane. on tthe return trip mmy EI acted up, miissing aand spitting on the ei siide, smooothe running on the mmag. I have checkked out the system aand could fiind nothinng visually wrong. II plan on replacing the auto pluts this mmmoorning. Anyone have anyy other ideas? Gary Zilik Brokke doown inn FT Peirce fl. This keyboard suckks with multipple characters. sorry my cell number is 303 538 2342 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:09 PM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: RV-List: Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube At 12:02 PM 5/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > >You can't powder coat the fiberglass, so you would have to at least paint >that. Plus, if the powder coat chips, you are in trouble. I think powder >coating is great for the steel parts, but that is where I would leave it. I agree. Powder coat is great for steel parts. Aluminum has many superior options. Zinc chromate primer and then paint are the standard. Anodizing could work. Anodizing is astoundingly simple and inexpensive to do. It is also durable and lightweight. http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize99.html My pal bought the above kit (with instructions) and got outstanding results on the modest-sized parts he anodized. I can't see why it would not work just as well on large parts. I have no idea whether anodizing an airplane skin would be effective or how long the surface would hold up to the weather. High quality dye would be a must for parts exposed to UV. It would definitely be unique look for an airplane, however. I should note that you can't easily anodize 7075 aluminum or the 2000 series aluminum. It has too much copper. You can easily anodize 6061 and 5000 series as well as pure aluminum. I'll try a chunk of Alclad and see how it comes out. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:28 PM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski FYI. Anodized parts do fade. At 01:14 PM 5/3/04 -0600, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube > >At 12:02 PM 5/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" >> >>You can't powder coat the fiberglass, so you would have to at least paint >>that. Plus, if the powder coat chips, you are in trouble. I think powder >>coating is great for the steel parts, but that is where I would leave it. > > I agree. Powder coat is great for steel parts. Aluminum has many >superior options. Zinc chromate primer and then paint are the standard. > > Anodizing could work. Anodizing is astoundingly simple and >inexpensive to do. It is also durable and lightweight. > > http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize99.html > > My pal bought the above kit (with instructions) and got >outstanding results on the modest-sized parts he anodized. I can't see why >it would not work just as well on large parts. > > I have no idea whether anodizing an airplane skin would be >effective or how long the surface would hold up to the weather. High >quality dye would be a must for parts exposed to UV. It would definitely be >unique look for an airplane, however. > > I should note that you can't easily anodize 7075 aluminum or the >2000 series aluminum. It has too much copper. You can easily anodize 6061 >and 5000 series as well as pure aluminum. > > I'll try a chunk of Alclad and see how it comes out. > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:24 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: bermuda --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >Listers, > >Yesterday Laird Owens, Paul Rosales annd myself returned to >florida fromm the bbahammas to get replacemment mmags for >hhis plane. on tthe return trip mmy EI acted up, miissing >aand spitting on the ei siide, smooothe running on the >mmag. I have checkked out the system aand could fiind >nothinng visually wrong. II plan on replacing the auto >pluts this mmmoorning. Anyone have anyy other ideas? > >Gary Zilik Brokke doown inn FT Peirce fl. > >This keyboard suckks with multipple characters. sorry > >my cell number is 303 538 2342 Tried this cell number but could not connect. Anyone else have an update? In the meantime, as an EI owner, I would check the following: 1. toggle switch/keyswitch integrity 2. cable from hall sensor/mag module to black box connections 3. cable chafing 4. coils for cracks or signs of arcing 5. spark plug leads for cracks or burn through 6. manifold pressure line I list the switch as number 1 because I've had a dirty toggle switch go intermittent on my remaining mag. Gary, Laird, Rosie and the other Triangle Travellers, take care and get home safely! Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 wishin' I wuz on da beach too! Mothers Day is May 9. Make it special with great ideas from the Mothers ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:22 PM PST US From: "Bob U." Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/02/04 --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." >FUEL BURN O-320 > My brother & I have flown a 1975 172 since NEW mostly on mostly on car >gas the last 20 years. At low cruise power, 20" Hg & 2000 RPM, lean mixture, >fuel burn is at or below 6 gal/ tach-hr. That means burn per clock hour is >less, about 5.6/hr. I can be done! The 172 is slow enough you're not going to >get anywhere in a hurry, so you might as well relax and enjoy it. This is the >low-compression 0-320 80 octane engine. > Paul S. Petersen, Partner with son Eric >RV6A 90% & 50% to go > Hmmmmm.... Whatz wrong with cruising over 50% faster than your C172 at your frugal fuel flow ? :-) Your tightwad RPM strategy works quite well with RV's too. Most of the time, I've no need to go 200 mph. Most of the time, I've too much month at the end of the money. Bob - RV3 MOGAS driver Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:40 PM PST US From: RGray67968@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Atlanta Area Builders --> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com Many of the Atlanta (Team RV) folks are smack dab in the middle of their Turks trip right now. You might try their Yahoo site though: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AtlRVers/ Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm Hello, I find myself in Atlanta (Marietta)on business tomorrow (5/4) with a free night. Anybody in the area interested in flying or building and some dinner? Pete Howell -9A wings ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:20 PM PST US From: RV6AOKC@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight.... --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com Howdy all....just a quick survey from those in the know who might have a flying 6 or 6A.....what do you use for your Gross Weight figure for your aircraft? I have seen varing things from 1650 to 1900......I have an old email from vans listing up to 1800 but limiting to 4.5 G's (1750/4.7G, 1700/4.8G)....manual that I'm using to format my Flight Handbook uses 1900 Lbs.....I suppose this varies as much as anything else on here.....oh and vans Weight and Balance instruction says we set the Gross Weight?? Anyway....=)....ideas??? Kurt in OKC... Almost flying..... Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:36 PM PST US From: HalBenjamin@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Jig - Long Island New York --> RV-List message posted by: HalBenjamin@aol.com Listers, I'll be finished with my wooden fuselage jig in a couple of weeks. It's free to anybody who wants to come and get it! Hal Benjamin RV-4, Almost sea worthy Long Island, NY (631)385-6016 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:15 PM PST US From: "sportpilot" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight.... --> RV-List message posted by: "sportpilot" Anyone have or know were to find RV9a or any RV flight sim 2004 files ? thanks in advance.. Danny.. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:18 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight.... --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" Hi Kurt, I set my RV-6A Gross Weight at 1800 lbs. The FAA says you - the manufacture gets to make that decision. I have flow mine at 1750 lbs. Let me suggest this, IF you list it at 1650 lbs and then fly it at 1675 lbs and have an accident you insurance will likely not cover the claim because you were outside the aircraft operating limitations. FWIW Ed Ed Anderson RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight.... > --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com > > Howdy all....just a quick survey from those in the know who might have a > flying 6 or 6A.....what do you use for your Gross Weight figure for your aircraft? > I have seen varing things from 1650 to 1900......I have an old email from > vans listing up to 1800 but limiting to 4.5 G's (1750/4.7G, 1700/4.8G)....manual > that I'm using to format my Flight Handbook uses 1900 Lbs.....I suppose this > varies as much as anything else on here.....oh and vans Weight and Balance > instruction says we set the Gross Weight?? Anyway....=)....ideas??? > > Kurt in OKC... > > Almost flying..... > > Do Not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:35 PM PST US From: "Amit Dagan" Subject: RV-List: Rear view of vacuum gyros...a request. --> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" This might sound odd, but if there is anyone out there with R.C. Allen vacuum gyros (DG and AI) on their bench, I would very much appreciate a picture of the units from the rear. I want to know the locations of the vac hoses connections. (Since you can't simply post files to the RV-list, either post the pix with a direct reply to me, or on the matronics picture server). Thanks, Amit. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight.... From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" There must surely be a downside to upping your Max Gross Weight though? Don't you have to justify to the FAA *why* your RV-6A is apparently safe to fly at 1800lbs, whilst Van's one isn't? -----Original Message----- --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" I set my RV-6A Gross Weight at 1800 lbs. The FAA says you - the manufacture gets to make that decision. Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:33 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight....LONG!!! --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hi all, My usual 2 cents........ I have 2 RV6's with 2 different gross weights. N664SB-360 powered (small tail) at 1800lbs gross (1085 empty). N64YU -320 powered (HUGE tail) at 1700lbs gross (1042 empty). I've had a lot of arguments (discussions) with people about gross weight, and there is a LOT of mis-information out there about this figure. Let me be very frank and honest here. The gross weight is NOT a number you arbitrarily choose because you think it would be "nice" to have the extra load carrying capability. It simply doesn't work that way!!! For example, I can load my -360 powered -6 with 2 200lb people, full fuel and a lot of baggage to arrive at 1800lbs and still be well in the CG range. NOW, just because it works at gross, you also need to calculate the same load with the fuel burned off (aft CG) and see if you're OK. Many planes loaded like that are not within the specified CG with no fuel, even though at gross they appeared fine. Next, my -320 powered RV6 with the heavy RV9 tail can only have 2 200lb guys, full fuel and about 30lbs of baggage to arrive at 1700lbs. You can load the crap out of these planes with full fuel, but do your CG calculations with only 5 gallons and you'll see the CG moves aft between .75-1.5" depending on the RV type (side by side or tandem, engine, etc..) with fuel burn. If you're already close to the aft limit with your plane loaded, then burning fuel will push you past. CG ranges are not something to take lightly---As are Gross weight determinations. Yes, you can put anything on the data plate, but I try to get people to do all the CG calculations and see what happens. Surprisingly, many builders only do an empty CG and a gross CG, never thinking carefully about FWD, AFT or Aerobatic CG's and weights. Those of you who simply "pick a number" because you read somewhere that someone else has 1800 or 1900 or whatever should be dope slapped!! Keep in mind that the insurance companies will also look at loading along with the "gross weight" when determining liability and responsibility for loss. Each plane will be different, and therefore each person should do a complete set of CG calculations until they arrive at a number that satisfies all conditions. Hate to sound harsh here, but I really don't want people to go randomly picking things like this as a CYA idea or because of someone elses plane. If youf plane can only handle 1650 gross or at aft CG, then that's what you should put it at. Don't pick 1700 because it's simply a higher number. Also, the "aerobatic" (above 4G's) loading is not simply a linear relation to loading....another misnomer. You'll notice the Aerobatic CG for the RV6 more restrictive than the full "Utility" CG. Here's what I recommend. Do the following CG calculations and see what works for your gross weight. Empty CG (complete with PAINT, Oil, & Unusable Fuel - Fill the tanks, then drain them). Gross CG (2 fat "200lb" people like me, full fuel, and as much baggage as the CG will handle). ----THEN----- AFT CG (Using the same loading as above, but with only 5 gallons of fuel) FWD CG (1 light pilot, Full Fuel, & NO baggage). Aerobatic CG (Fat pilot, no baggage, and see how much fuel you can carry). I can have 26 Gallons!!! Do all of the above about 50 times and you'll find a Gross weight that actually means something and works. Well, I hope this note didn't sound to harsh or upset too many people, but there has been an awfull lot of "urban legends" starting to creep up in the last year regarding things like this and I hate to see it. Just trying to help someone out!! Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minnepolis. FYI, the RV7/9 tail weights nearly 15lbs more than the old "Small" RV6 Tail!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight.... > --> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com > > Howdy all....just a quick survey from those in the know who might have a > flying 6 or 6A.....what do you use for your Gross Weight figure for your aircraft? > I have seen varing things from 1650 to 1900......I have an old email from > vans listing up to 1800 but limiting to 4.5 G's (1750/4.7G, 1700/4.8G)....manual > that I'm using to format my Flight Handbook uses 1900 Lbs.....I suppose this > varies as much as anything else on here.....oh and vans Weight and Balance > instruction says we set the Gross Weight?? Anyway....=)....ideas??? > > Kurt in OKC... > > Almost flying..... > > Do Not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:42 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" "Rv6-List" , "Rv-List" Subject: RV-List: Tailwheel Horn --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hi All, Quick and stupid question....has anyone else managed to wear out the tailwheel horn??? I mean the steel plate that the chains connect to on the top of the tailwheel. It has a slot machined in it where the locking pin rides. Mine is fairly worn out and the tailwheel no longer even locks at all. By worn, I mean the little slot that the pin rides in is rounded out almost completely. It's been progressively getting worse over the past 6 months, but I finally have to fix it. I usually kept it greased up too, but maybe not enough since I fly off a grass strip..... 200+hrs and 400+landings (still using same "cheap" tires, almost look new)! Not much fun with a full swiveling tailwheel ALL the time, especially in the wind!! Anyway, just wondering, since I have to order another one from Van's -or- now I can order the "go fast" rocekt tailwheel link!!! Cheers, Stein Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:57 PM PST US From: "Karie Daniel" Subject: Re Was: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight.... Now Vans for Flight Simulator --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" I sent this a few months ago, it a great download for FS. No 9 though, just a 7. (not just a 7) :-) First of all, I am in no way associated with Flight Factory Simulations! I'm just a fan of MS Flight Simulator. The link below is to a company who has just released an RV-7 for MS Flight Simulator. The cost for the aircraft is $19.00 bucks. The RV-7 comes equipped with a tip-up canopy, 200hp engine and it's a tail dragger. The flight dynamics are fairly realistic and it has a downloadable POH that is included in the price. If you like simulations for practicing approaches, maneuvers or whatever then why not have an RV-7? I spent some time with it and it's was a kick to show my family what my airplane will look like........some day. http://www.flightfactory-simulations.com/ Karie Daniel Sammamish, WA RV-7A QB in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: "sportpilot" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/A Gross Weight.... > --> RV-List message posted by: "sportpilot" > > Anyone have or know were to find RV9a or any RV flight sim 2004 files ? > > thanks in advance.. > > Danny.. > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:50 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RV-List: 2 1/4" RPM + MP Display **or** Engine Power Monitor (Where to find???) --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Does anyone out there in RV-Land know where I can find a combined Tach and Manifold Pressure display that fits into a 2 1/4" hole???? I want to replace the two gauges from Van's with **ONE** that fits into the same size hole. The "Engine Power Monitor" from "Technology Kitchen" used to do this and seemingly did a fine job. BUT (!!) the product was sold to Alcor (***I think***) some time ago and they don't seem to have rolled out anything based on it. I have sent email to both places ... just in case, but do not expect much of a positive reply thus the appeal to the list. Sooooo.... if you have an old EPM just lying around collecting dust because you decided to go with the VM1000 or something ... let me take it off your hands! :-) Or if you know of such a gauge from someone else, please let me know. Thanks, James ... trying to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 9lb RV6 panel ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:18 PM PST US From: RSamuelson@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Lasar vs. Lightspeed --> RV-List message posted by: RSamuelson@aol.com Can anyone compare/contrast the Lasar Ignition vs the Lightspeed Plasma II on an O- 360. Thanks for the info. Roy Samuelson ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:26 PM PST US From: rv7a Subject: Re: RV-List: Anodize? (was: POWDER COAT EXTERIOR?) --> RV-List message posted by: rv7a I would not anodize any aircraft skins. Things like canopy hardware ok. Anodizing creates a hard thin coating on the aluminum. The coating has a different hardness than the base metal. This may well lead to stress cracking. Boeing skins are not anodized. They are alodined. I worked at Boeing as a Chemical Process Engineer. Joe N633Z @ AWO 19.8 hours! On Mon, 3 May 2004, Scott Bilinski wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > FYI. Anodized parts do fade. > > At 01:14 PM 5/3/04 -0600, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube > > > >At 12:02 PM 5/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > > > > I have no idea whether anodizing an airplane skin would be > >effective or how long the surface would hold up to the weather. High > >quality dye would be a must for parts exposed to UV. It would definitely be > >unique look for an airplane, however.