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1. 03:51 AM - Re: Undercarriage Stiffeners (Dana Overall)
2. 03:55 AM - small slip-indicator [slightly offtopic] (Thomas Wimmer)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: Wing incidence spacer block (LarryRobertHelming)
4. 05:48 AM - Re: blood & guts (Ross Scroggs)
5. 06:32 AM - Re: blood & guts (Trainnut01@aol.com)
6. 06:50 AM - Re: small slip-indicator [slightly offtopic] (Jack Haviland)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: blood & guts (David E. Nelson)
8. 07:28 AM - blood & guts (Gordon Robertson)
9. 08:40 AM - Aviation humor off-topic hit delete, etc (SportAV8R@aol.com)
10. 08:54 AM - Re: cleaning props (blood and guts) (Kosta Lewis)
11. 08:59 AM - Re: Aviation humor off-topic hit delete, etc (Bob U.)
12. 09:27 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Skylor Piper)
13. 10:35 AM - Re: blood & guts (HCRV6@aol.com)
14. 10:43 AM - What would your perfect EHSI look like? (dmedema@att.net)
15. 11:10 AM - Re: Simplegreen - was blood & guts (Don Mack)
16. 11:45 AM - Re: blood & guts (Ross Scroggs)
17. 11:57 AM - Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? (Scott Vanartsdalen)
18. 12:52 PM - Lycoming drawings (jamesbaldwin@attglobal.net)
19. 01:56 PM - Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? (Jeff Cours)
20. 02:00 PM - Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
21. 04:05 PM - Terra TRT 250 D Xponder and TX 760 D Comm For Sale (Garry Legare)
22. 04:12 PM - Re: blood & guts (George P. Tyler)
23. 05:06 PM - Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? (ed)
24. 05:29 PM - Re: Terra TRT 250 D Xponder and TX 760 D Comm For Sale (Garry Legare)
25. 06:17 PM - Eastern Avionics (James Ashford)
26. 06:28 PM - Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? (Dj Merrill)
27. 06:55 PM - F-1 Rocket for Sale (Ken Sebok)
28. 08:15 PM - Re: Eastern Avionics (Jeff Orear)
29. 08:22 PM - Re: blood & guts (Brian Kraut)
30. 10:48 PM - Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? (Robin Wessel)
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage Stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>You'll note I did not recommend stiffeners, just related one experience
>(and
>hopefully the only one {:>)) that I believe stiffeners may have helped. I
>have heard of no failure of the main gear of the 6 series due to stiffener
>induced failures which was the Van recommended way (at that time) to
>reduce
>potential gear shimmy. Van clearly changed his view about the value of
>stiffeners later.
>
>Ed Anderson
It's still in my 7 plans. After seeing RVs come in with the mains rocking
away, mine will definitely have the stiffeners. Just thought I'd let you
know, it's still in Van's plans.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
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| Subject: | small slip-indicator [slightly offtopic] |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Wimmer" <thomas.wimmer@web.de>
Hello
for an (not rv-related) project, we do need a small slip-indicator (the "ball").
Can you point me to a vendor that sells these (certification not required)?
Thanks in advance
Thomas
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ist zum 39. Mal Testsieger (PC Praxis 03/04) http://f.web.de/?mc=021191
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| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence spacer block |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Where did you get the instructions that call for 2.78"? My plans specify
3". FYI, I began my slow build kit building in Apr 2001 and aligned the
wing incidence about 12 months ago. Do not archive.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wing incidence spacer block
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
<rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I have not found a recent post on this subject in the archives... My
question is on the size of the spacer used with a level to measure wing
incidence. On RV-7 drawing # 38 it shows the spacer as three inches. I also
have instructions that say make a 2.78 " spacer. ( don't you love these
measurements / tolerances ? ) Which is correct? with the three inch spacer
my level(electronic) indicates zero and with a 2.8" spacer I am at 1
degree... The documents I am using are 2001 vintage.
>
> Thanks
> Richard
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: blood & guts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
Dave,
On a metal prop, I use 409 or Fantastic and then use fresh water
afterwards. When it is dry, put
a coat of a good paste wax on both sides. This will help you clean the bugs
off after a flight.
I own a Cub with a wood prop and use the same procedure.
Works great!
Ross Scroggs
RV4 Wings
Locust Grove, Ga.
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From: <JusCash@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: blood & guts
> --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
> Cold water, while they are fresh.
>
> Cash
>
> In a message dated 5/5/2004 7:51:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> dford@michweb.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
>
> Surely there must be a simple solution for cleaning bug blood & guts from
the
> propellor--anybody have a good recipe?
>
> Dave Ford
> RV6
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: blood & guts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com
A light coat of PAM cooking spray before flight will make the bugs wipe right
off after the flight. Works well on my wood Weedhopper prop also.
Carroll Jernigan
7A Wings.
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| Subject: | Re: small slip-indicator [slightly offtopic] |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jack Haviland <jgh2@charter.net>
On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 06:52 AM, Thomas Wimmer wrote:
> Can you point me to a vendor that sells these (certification not
> required)?
www.airstuff.com
jack
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| Subject: | Re: blood & guts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Hi Ross,
Not sure what type of metal(s) are used for metal props, but I was warned in
one of my EAA meetings not to use 409 on aluminum (even the MSDS warns about
using 409 on the aluminum -
http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~jsmith/MSDS/FORMULA%20409%20DEGREASER.htm)since
it chemically reacts with it. So a _good_ rinsing is required.
Regards,
/\/elson
RV-7A - SB wings almost here...
Austin, TX
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Ross Scroggs wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
>
> Dave,
> On a metal prop, I use 409 or Fantastic and then use fresh water
> afterwards. When it is dry, put a coat of a good paste wax on both sides.
> This will help you clean the bugs off after a flight. I own a Cub with a wood
> prop and use the same procedure. Works great!
>
> Ross Scroggs
> RV4 Wings
> Locust Grove, Ga.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JusCash@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: blood & guts
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon Robertson" <grobertson@verizon.net>
>>Surely there must be a simple solution for cleaning bug blood & guts from
the propellor--anybody>>have a good recipe?
I have never tried this on an airplane, but I find that on my cars Simple
Green, applied concentrated, removes EVERYTHING except paint. Removes tar,
bugs, grease and oil, brake pad dust from the wheels, etc. Spray or wipe
on, leave 2-3 minutes, and rub off.
Also removes polish, so remember to rewax afterwards.
Gordon Robertson
RV8
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| Subject: | Aviation humor off-topic hit delete, etc |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
From: Liz <lilibet2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pilotism's
"Lt. Warren W. Tomlinson" <tomlinsonww@vf213.navy.mil>,
Rob Wells <rwells@tagaviation.ch>,
Byrd & Judy Saville <byrdjudys@cox.net>,
Ray and Lynn Moffett <beggar22@aol.com>,
"Lt. jg Amy Redditt" <reddittae@vf213.navy.mil>,
Chris & Stoney Richards <estoneyr@aol.com>,
Gin & Bill Edmunds <wwevge@aol.com>, Fran Bullard <FCBullard@aol.com>,
Lou Churchville <dusterlou@aol.com>
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The only three things a wingman should ever say are:
1. Two's up.
2. Lead, you're on fire.
3. I'll take the fat chick.
...and in a multi-place aircraft, there are only three things the copilot should
ever say:
1. Nice landing, Sir.
2. I'll buy the first round.
3. I'll take the fat chick.
As a new copilot on American Airlines, I was told to say these three things, and
otherwise keep my mouth shut and not touch anything:
1. Clear on the right.
2. Outer (marker) on the double (indicator)
3. I'll eat the chicken. (Crew meals consisted of one steak and one chicken to
avoid possible food poisoning of the cockpit crew).
About Pilots
1. As an aviator in flight you can do anything you want... As long as it's right...
And we'll let you know if it's right after you get down.
2. You can't fly forever without getting killed.
3. As a pilot only two bad things can happen to you and one of them will: a. One
day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight in
a airplane.. b. One day you will walk out to the airplane not knowing that
it is your last flight in a airplane..
4. Any flight over water in a single engine airplane will absolutely guarantee
abnormal engine noises and vibrations.
5. There are Rules and there are Laws. The rules are made by men who think that
they know better how to fly your airplane than you. The Laws (of Physics) were
made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should, suspend the Rules but
you can never suspend the Laws.
6. More about Rules: a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a
better idea and the talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must
be a flawless performance. (e.g., If you fly under a bridge, don't hit the
bridge.)
7. The pilot is the highest form of life on earth.
8. The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness.
9. About check rides: a. The only real objective of a check ride is to complete
it and get the bastard out of your airplane. b. It has never occurred to any
flight examiner that the examinee couldn't care less what the examiner's opinion
of his flying ability really is.
10. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.
11. The job of the Wing Commander is to worry incessantly that his career depends
solely on the abilities of his aviators to fly their airplanes without mishap
and that their only minuscule contribution to the effort is to bet their lives
on it.
12. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that the age of the pilot is over
are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity
of their feelings that the pilot's day is over I know of no such expert who
has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
13. It is absolutely imperative that the pilot be unpredictable. Rebelliousness
is very predictable. In the end, conforming almost all the time is the best way
to be unpredictable.
14. He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he that
demands one iota more is a fool.
15. If you're gonna fly low, do not fly slow! ASW pilots know this only too well.
16. It is solely the pilot's responsibility to never let any other thing touch
his aircraft.
17. If you can learn how to fly as a Lt. and not forget how to fly by the time
you're a Lt.Col you will have lived a happy life.
18. About night flying: a. Remember that the airplane doesn't know that it's dark.
b. On a clear, moonless night, never fly between the tanker's lights. c. There
are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. d. If you're
going to night fly, it might as well be in the weather so you can double count
your exposure to both hazards. e. Night formation is really an endless series
of near misses in equilibrium with each other. f. You would have to pay a
lot of money at a lot of amusement parks and perhaps add a few drugs, to get
the same blend of psychedelic sensations as a single engine night weather flight.19.
One of the most important skills that a pilot must develop is the skill
to ignore those things that were designed by non-pilots to get the pilot's
attention.
20. At the end of the day, the controllers, ops supervisors, maintenance guys,
weather guessers, and birds; they're all trying to kill you and your job is to
not let them!
21. The concept of "controlling" airspace with radar is just a form of FAA sarcasm
directed at pilots to see if they're gullible enough to swallow it. Or to
put it another way, when's the last time the FAA ever shot anyone down?
22. Remember that the radio is only an electronic suggestion box for the pilot.
Sometimes the only way to clear up a problem is to turn it off.
23. It is a tacit, yet profound admission of the pre-eminence of flying in the
hierarchy of the human spirit, that those who seek to control aviators via threats
always threaten to take one's wings and not one's life.
24. Remember when flying low and inverted that the rudder still works the same
old way but hopefully your IP never taught you "pull stick back, plane go up".
25. Mastering the prohibited maneuvers in the Natops Manual is one of the best
forms of aviation life insurance you can get.
26. A tactic done twice is a procedure. (Refer to unpredictability discussion above)
27. The aircraft G-limits are only there in case there is another flight by that
particular airplane. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are
no G-limits.
28. One of the beautiful things about a single piloted aircraft is the quality
of the social experience.
29. If a mother has the slightest suspicion that her infant might grow up to be
a pilot, she had better teach him to put things back where he got them.
30. The ultimate responsibility of the pilot is to fulfill the dreams of the countless
millions of earthbound ancestors who could only stare skyward and wish.
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The only three things a wingman should ever say are:
1. Two's up.
2. Lead, you're on fire.
3. I'll take the fat chick.
...and in a multi-place aircraft, there are only three things the copilot should
ever say:
1. Nice landing, Sir.
2. I'll buy the first round.
3. I'll take the fat chick.
As a new copilot on American Airlines, I was told to say these three things, and
otherwise keep my mouth shut and not touch anything:
1. Clear on the right.
2. Outer (marker) on the double (indicator)
3. I'll eat the chicken. (Crew meals consisted of one steak and one chicken to
avoid possible food poisoning of the cockpit crew).
About Pilots
1. As an aviator in flight you can do anything you want... As long as it's right...
And we'll let you know if it's right after you get down.
2. You can't fly forever without getting killed.
3. As a pilot only two bad things can happen to you and one of them will: a. One
day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight in
a airplane.. b. One day you will walk out to the airplane not knowing that it
is your last flight in a airplane..
4. Any flight over water in a single engine airplane will absolutely guarantee
abnormal engine noises and vibrations.
5. There are Rules and there are Laws. The rules are made by men who think that
they know better how to fly your airplane than you. The Laws (of Physics) were
made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should, suspend the Rules but
you can never suspend the Laws.
6. More about Rules: a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a
better idea and the talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must
be a flawless performance. (e.g., If you fly under a bridge, don't hit the
bridge.)
7. The pilot is the highest form of life on earth.
8. The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness.
9. About check rides: a. The only real objective of a check ride is to complete
it and get the bastard out of your airplane. b. It has never occurred to any
flight examiner that the examinee couldn't care less what the examiner's opinion
of his flying ability really is.
10. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.
11. The job of the Wing Commander is to worry incessantly that his career depends
solely on the abilities of his aviators to fly their airplanes without mishap
and that their only minuscule contribution to the effort is to bet their lives
on it.
12. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that the age of the pilot is over
are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity
of their feelings that the pilot's day is over I know of no such expert who has
volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
13. It is absolutely imperative that the pilot be unpredictable. Rebelliousness
is very predictable. In the end, conforming almost all the time is the best way
to be unpredictable.
14. He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he that
demands one iota more is a fool.
15. If you're gonna fly low, do not fly slow! ASW pilots know this only too well.
16. It is solely the pilot's responsibility to never let any other thing touch
his aircraft.
17. If you can learn how to fly as a Lt. and not forget how to fly by the time
you're a Lt.Col you will have lived a happy life.
18. About night flying: a. Remember that the airplane doesn't know that it's dark.
b. On a clear, moonless night, never fly between the tanker's lights. c. There
are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. d. If you're
going to night fly, it might as well be in the weather so you can double count
your exposure to both hazards. e. Night formation is really an endless series
of near misses in equilibrium with each other. f. You would have to pay a lot
of money at a lot of amusement parks and perhaps add a few drugs, to get the
same blend of psychedelic sensations as a single engine night weather flight.
19. One of the most important skills that a pilot must develop is the skill to
ignore those things that were designed by non-pilots to get the pilot's attention.
20. At the end of the day, the controllers, ops supervisors, maintenance guys,
weather guessers, and birds; they're all trying to kill you and your job is to
not let them!
21. The concept of "controlling" airspace with radar is just a form of FAA sarcasm
directed at pilots to see if they're gullible enough to swallow it. Or to
put it another way, when's the last time the FAA ever shot anyone down?
22. Remember that the radio is only an electronic suggestion box for the pilot.
Sometimes the only way to clear up a problem is to turn it off.
23. It is a tacit, yet profound admission of the pre-eminence of flying in the
hierarchy of the human spirit, that those who seek to control aviators via threats
always threaten to take one's wings and not one's life.
24. Remember when flying low and inverted that the rudder still works the same
old way but hopefully your IP never taught you "pull stick back, plane go up".
25. Mastering the prohibited maneuvers in the Natops Manual is one of the best
forms of aviation life insurance you can get.
26. A tactic done twice is a procedure. (Refer to unpredictability discussion above)
27. The aircraft G-limits are only there in case there is another flight by that
particular airplane. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no
G-limits.
28. One of the beautiful things about a single piloted aircraft is the quality
of the social experience.
29. If a mother has the slightest suspicion that her infant might grow up to be
a pilot, she had better teach him to put things back where he got them.
30. The ultimate responsibility of the pilot is to fulfill the dreams of the countless
millions of earthbound ancestors who could only stare skyward and wish.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:40 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Bob U.)
2. 04:37 AM - Garmin 430 install manual (Dana Overall)
3. 05:15 AM - Re: Troubles contacting S-TEC (Tommy Walker)
4. 05:56 AM - cht probe (G B)
5. 06:09 AM - WxWorx observations (Tim_Lewis@msm.umr.edu)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: [SPAM] Garmin 430 install manual (Stewart,
Michael (ISS Atlanta))
7. 07:10 AM - Re: Garmin 430 install manual (LarryRobertHelming)
8. 09:13 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Rob Prior)
9. 09:24 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Rob Prior)
10. 10:00 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Dale Mitchell)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Dj Merrill)
12. 10:26 AM - Prop 4 Sale (Brian Alley)
13. 10:30 AM - Re:nose gear shimmy (Dave Biddle)
14. 11:08 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Stewart, Michael (ISS
Atlanta))
15. 11:34 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (richard dudley)
16. 11:37 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Skylor Piper)
17. 11:54 AM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Bob U.)
18. 11:54 AM - Info on Chilliwack (Jim and Bev Cone)
19. 12:08 PM - Re: anodizing instrument panel? (Wayne Cahoon @
Aircraft Engravers)
20. 01:14 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Bob)
21. 02:27 PM - Free shipping on Builder's Bookstore (Aircraft
Technical Book Company)
22. 02:41 PM - Re: Internal Regulated Alternator converted to
External? (Ross Schlotthauer)
23. 03:24 PM - Northern Airborne Tech. (Jim Needham)
24. 04:24 PM - Wing incidence spacer block (Richard Suffoletto)
25. 04:31 PM - SoCal hangar space? (Dave Hyde)
26. 04:39 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Ed Anderson)
27. 05:48 PM - Re: SoCal hangar space? (Dan Checkoway)
28. 05:50 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Kevin Horton)
29. 05:53 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Jim Sears)
30. 06:23 PM - Re: Socal hangar space (Dave Hyde)
31. 06:43 PM - Re: Undercarriage Stiffeners (Ed Anderson)
32. 06:47 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Jim Oke)
33. 06:54 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Bob U.)
34. 07:45 PM - anodizing instrument panel? (Bluecavu@aol.com)
35. 07:50 PM - blood & guts (Dave Ford)
36. 08:42 PM - Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... (Vanremog@aol.com)
37. 09:03 PM - Re: blood & guts (Michael McGee)
38. 09:44 PM - Re: blood & guts (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
39. 10:13 PM - Re: blood & guts (JusCash@aol.com)
Cleaning the prop: I keep my wood Warnke (good ol' Bernie, rest his
soul) prop looking new by keeping a fresh layer of carnauba wax on it
for just general protection and then cleaning even "old" bugs off with
just plain water. I keep a squirt bottle of water handy and as soon as I
roll the old girl into the hanger, clean the prop. Takes about a minute
and the bugs slide right off. The prop (and airplane, by the way) has
over 750 hours on it and looks great. Someone asked me the other day if
this was a new prop. Nope; just take care of the one I have.
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob U." <rv3@comcast.net>
>28. One of the beautiful things about a single piloted aircraft is the quality
of the social experience.
>
Why would I find #28 the best of the lot?
Bob - RV3 driver
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV6/A Gross Weight.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Kevin,
Excellent explanation!
I get the feeling that some people assume that because
you must reduce maneuvering speed with decreased
weight, you then also increase it when increasing
weight, even when going over design gross. Your case
2 explains why that's not true.
In my previous post, I forgot to mention regarding
this quote:
"With more weight the airplane will not as easily
change the angle of attack."
This is false. A heavier plane will not as easily
change DIRECTION, but in fact will change angle of
attack easier than a light plane. For example, when
flying in turbulence a lighter plane will respond
(accelerate) faster to changing forces, hence when the
angle of attack changes for vertical gusts, the
lighter plane will respond faster to that change &
actually have a reduced angle of attack when compared
to a heavier plane. This phenomenon is well explained
in "Stick and Rudder".
--- Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
> I believe that the 6 wing was determined to suffer
> permanent deformation at
> 11g when rated at 1600 gross, that's 9.26g at 1900
> lbs gross. I can live with
> that. You just have to ask yourself whether you
> really believe that your wing
> is built as strong as a 6.
>
One thing that's not being considered here is the
effect on fatigue life that repeated operation over
Van's design loads has. Aluminum structures' fatigue
life reduces drastically as cyclic stresses increase
towards the ultimate strength of that structure.
While your wings may tolerate greater loads than Van
intended, they may only tolerate them for 1500 hours
instead of 100,000.
This has become a very real problem for the T-34's
that have been used in Air Combat "training". While
they are not necessarily being operated over gross,
some have been known to be repeatedly stressed beyond
6 g's. Then, one day the wings decide to fall off at
5 g's.
Skylor
--- Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>
> You are both right, depending on the details of the
> design. It
> depends on what part of the structure is limiting.
> I.e. which part
> will be the first to fail if you put too much load
> on it.
>
> Case 1 - the limiting structure sees the same loads
> no matter what
> the gross weight is, like an engine mount. If the
> strength of the
> engine mount is what caused the designer to
> recommend a certain g
> limit, then the loads on the mount will not change
> will gross weight
> (assuming the weight of the engine and prop is
> constant). In this
> case the manoeuvring speed will go up with gross
> weight.
>
> Case 2 - the limiting structure sees loads that vary
> with gross
> weight, like a wing spar. In this case the
> structure has been
> designed to see a certain load, e.g. 6 g at 1375 lb
> gross weight -
> the wing is designed to support a load of 8,250 lb.
> The manoeuvring
> speed is the speed at which the wing can produce
> 8,250 lb of lift at
> the stall (actually, the wing has to do a bit more
> than that, as it
> also has to counter the downwards lift of the tail,
> but we'll ignore
> that for simplicity). If you put some more sandbags
> in the baggage
> compartment to get up to 1800 lb gross weight, the
> wing is no
> stronger than it was before, and it can still only
> handle 8,250 lb of
> lift. Now the g-limit has to be 8,250/1,800 = 4.58
> g. The
> manoeurving speed is still the speed at which the
> wing can develop
> 8,250 lb of lift at the stall - in other words it is
> the same speed
> as it was at 1,375 lb gross weight.
>
> Usually we don't know whether we are dealing with
> Case 1 or Case 2,
> so we have to assume that they both may be valid.
> So, we should keep
> the manoeuvring speed the same if we increase gross
> weight (to cover
> Case 2), and we need to reduce manouvring speed if
> we reduce gross
> weight (to cover Case 1, by ensuring the available
> load factor does
> not increase above the allowable limit).
>
> From a structural point of the view it is actually
> a bit more
> complicated than I have described, as it does matter
> where on the
> airframe you put the extra weight. Extra weight in
> the fuselage is
> much worse than extra weight in the wings, as the
> wing bending moment
> is much more affected by fuselage weight increases
> than wing weight
> increases. Picture a long span modern glider. If
> you put a bunch of
> extra weight in the fuselage, you put a lot of extra
> load on the wing
> spar. But if you distribute the same amount of
> additional weight
> evenly along the wing span, then the loads on the
> wing spar increase
> only a little, or maybe not at all.
>
> Clear as mud?
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: blood & guts |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 5/6/04 7:30:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
grobertson@verizon.net writes:
<< Simple Green, applied concentrated, removes EVERYTHING except paint.
Removes tar, bugs, grease and oil, brake pad dust from the wheels, etc. Spray
or
wipe on, leave 2-3 minutes, and rub off.
Also removes polish, so remember to rewax afterwards. >>
I am a big fan of Simple Green for cleaning of all the above mentioned stuff,
definitely including wax and polish, but it seems there is some evidence
(anecdotal maybe) that Simple Green can lead to corrosion if allowed to remain
on
or under surfaces so I always rinse it off thoroughly with running water.
Just my $0.02.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, final assembly
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| Subject: | What would your perfect EHSI look like? |
--> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net
Hello listers,
Have you ever thought that, given the chance, you could design avionics better
than what is presently available. Well heres your chance! We are in the very
early stages of defining our future EHSI product. Our only constraint is that
it is the same physical format as our current EFIS-D10 with regards to display
and user interface. While we certainly have our own ideas of what will make
a great instrument, we would really like to have yours as well. So .
What features does it have to have to be a useful addition to your panel?
What features would be nice additions?
What display formats do you want to see available? 60 degree arc? 360 degrees?
Others?
What does it have to interface with? GPS only? NAV radios? Marker Beacons?
Would the HSI display be a good place to include an autopilot interface or would
you prefer a dedicated autopilot head?
Were not making any promises that well design the instrument of your personal dreams,
but without your input, we most likely wont make your perfect instrument.
So dream away, warm up your keyboard, and send us an email. My direct email
address here at Dynon is doug.medema@dynonavionics.com.
Thanks for your interest.
Doug Medema
Dynon Avionics
RV-6A N276DM
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| Subject: | RE: Simplegreen - was blood & guts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
FYI - From the simplegreen website Faqs:
Aluminum - Is it safe to use Simple Green on aluminum?
Simple Green products have been successfully and safely used on aircraft,
automotive, industrial and consumer aluminum items for over 20 years.
However, caution and common sense must be used: Aluminum is a soft metal
that easily corrodes with unprotected exposure to water. The aqueous-base
and alkalinity of Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green can accelerate the
corrosion process. Therefore, contact times of All-Purpose Simple Green and
Crystal Simple Green with unprotected or unpainted aluminum surfaces should
be kept as brief as the job will allow - never for more than 10 minutes.
Large cleaning jobs should be conducted in smaller-area stages to achieve
lower contact time. Rinsing after cleaning should always be extremely
thorough - paying special attention to flush out cracks and crevices to
remove all Simple Green/Crystal Simple Green residues. Unfinished, uncoated
or unpainted aluminum cleaned with Simple Green products should receive some
sort of protectant after cleaning to prevent oxidation.
Remember that you have overlapping and joined skins. How do you get that
stuff out of there?
I use 409 on my fabric and aluminum Ercoupe - If anyone know of a problem
with this stuff let me know.
Don Mack . don@dmack.net . www.dmack.net
-----Original Message-----
<< Simple Green, applied concentrated, removes EVERYTHING except paint.
Removes tar, bugs, grease and oil, brake pad dust from the wheels, etc.
Spray or
wipe on, leave 2-3 minutes, and rub off.
Also removes polish, so remember to rewax afterwards. >>
I am a big fan of Simple Green for cleaning of all the above mentioned
stuff,
definitely including wax and polish, but it seems there is some evidence
(anecdotal maybe) that Simple Green can lead to corrosion if allowed to
remain on
or under surfaces so I always rinse it off thoroughly with running water.
Just my $0.02.
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| Subject: | Re: blood & guts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
David,
You are absolutely correct. Seems like everything that works good has a
bad side as well.
Fresh water and even a mild soap solution, if possible, works great and then
the wax.
Ross Scroggs
RV4 #3911 Wings
Locust Grove, Ga.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: blood & guts
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
>
>
> Hi Ross,
>
> Not sure what type of metal(s) are used for metal props, but I was warned
in
> one of my EAA meetings not to use 409 on aluminum (even the MSDS warns
about
> using 409 on the aluminum -
>
http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~jsmith/MSDS/FORMULA%20409%20DEGREASER.htm)since
> it chemically reacts with it. So a _good_ rinsing is required.
>
> Regards,
> /\/elson
> RV-7A - SB wings almost here...
> Austin, TX
>
>
> On Thu, 6 May 2004, Ross Scroggs wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
> >
> > Dave,
> > On a metal prop, I use 409 or Fantastic and then use fresh water
> > afterwards. When it is dry, put a coat of a good paste wax on both
sides.
> > This will help you clean the bugs off after a flight. I own a Cub with a
wood
> > prop and use the same procedure. Works great!
> >
> > Ross Scroggs
> > RV4 Wings
> > Locust Grove, Ga.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <JusCash@aol.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: blood & guts
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Large screen, sunlight readable, even when reflecting off your white shirt.
360 Deg EFIS arc (sic)
built-in GPS with WAAS (receivers are cheap enough now to build right into just
about any device)
BlueTooth for up/dowloading data/patches/features maybe for even attaching
input devices (keyboard/mouse/phone for weather graphics?)
Terrain
Weather
Flight and Engine instruments
all for under $500 :-)
dmedema@att.net wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: dmedema@att.net
Hello listers,
Have you ever thought that, given the chance, you could design avionics better
than what is presently available. Well heres your chance! We are in the very early
stages of defining our future EHSI product. Our only constraint is that it
is the same physical format as our current EFIS-D10 with regards to display
and user interface. While we certainly have our own ideas of what will make a
great instrument, we would really like to have yours as well. So .
What features does it have to have to be a useful addition to your panel?
What features would be nice additions?
What display formats do you want to see available? 60 degree arc? 360 degrees?
Others?
What does it have to interface with? GPS only? NAV radios? Marker Beacons?
Would the HSI display be a good place to include an autopilot interface or would
you prefer a dedicated autopilot head?
Were not making any promises that well design the instrument of your personal dreams,
but without your input, we most likely wont make your perfect instrument.
So dream away, warm up your keyboard, and send us an email. My direct email
address here at Dynon is doug.medema@dynonavionics.com.
Thanks for your interest.
Doug Medema
Dynon Avionics
RV-6A N276DM
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Lycoming drawings |
--> RV-List message posted by: jamesbaldwin@attglobal.net
Lycoming users-
I had asked the EAA if there were any accesible drawings of the Lycoming
series of enigines but was told they had none of any type, either actual
factory produced or "aftermarket." I was told "copyright, blah, blah."
Does anyone have any cross section or other drawings showing the
internals? Thank you. JBB
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| Subject: | Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <rv-j@moriarti.org>
> What features does it have to have to be a useful addition to your panel?
I don't know if the Dynon already has this, since I'm not currently
flying behind one, but I'd like something that keeps track of winds
aloft (direction and speed) as I climb and suggests a good VFR cruising
altitude, adjusting for even or odd altitudes as appropriate, based on
what my intended heading seems to be.
Other nifty features, some that require more horsepower than others:
- Give me a warning, like a change in background color, if I'm flying
the wrong magnetic heading at the wrong altitude.
- A single button press that sets heading and altitude bugs to the
current heading and altitude would be handy. If it can send that info to
an autopilot or two, so much the better.
- I'd really like a one-button count-up timer for IFR approaches. The
timer always counts up. The button just resets it to zero -- in fact,
that's ALL it does. No presets for countdown. No starting and stopping.
No alarms. Just dead-simple count-up-once-a-second and punch to zero,
like a trip odometer on a car. (I used to use a kitchen timer. The
button would start and stop it. In a bouncy airplane, I could never tell
whether I'd hit it once or twice. Since I'm occasionally foolish, I tend
to favor fool-resistant features. :-) ).
- Press-to-reset: two (hardware) buttons that must be pushed
simultaneously to have any effect. When you punch them both at the same
time, they trigger an NMI, toggle the reset pin on the processor, or
interrupt the power supply, forcing a system reset. Ideally, they should
be at opposite ends of the faceplate to minimize the chances of bumping
them both accidentally.
- Instant Pirep: select an option and get summary information in the
right order and format to make a pirep. If there's a map in the memory,
suggest a frequency, too.
- If the system can do mapping, I'd like a 3D out-the-cockpit view that
shows controlled airspace (classes B-D, MOAs, Restricted areas, etc.) as
translucent, color-coded walls or wire-frame grids. Adjusting the
airspace based on time of day, so it knows about airports that become
class E at 21:00 local, or airspace that changes status at sunset, would
be a very nifty trick.
- Support an industry standard bus, pin-out, and data protocol for
talking to other manufacturers' boxes. Ok, I know, this is the hardest
of the bunch. But a guy can dream, right?
Jeff C.
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| Subject: | Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 5/6/04 12:44:00 PM Central Daylight Time, dmedema@att.net
writes:
> Have you ever thought that, given the chance, you could design avionics
> better than what is presently available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I mailed Doug with a request for a moving map / nav instrument on the same
display as the D10. Anybody else?
Mark Phillips do not archive
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| Subject: | Terra TRT 250 D Xponder and TX 760 D Comm For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
I'm redoing the panel on my 6 soooo the Terra has got to go. The
transponder just passed a check about 2 months ago, and works great.
Which is more than I can say for the Comm.
The Comm transmits and receives great, but the digital display is
intermittent. It will work for weeks at a time then decide it doesn't
want to display anything for a day or two.
Not my idea of fun.
Both are about 3 years old and complete with trays and manuals.
pay the freight.
Please respond off list.
Casper
Having sooo much fun rewiring.
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| Subject: | Re: blood & guts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "George P. Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net>
I use "Fantastic", with very good results for bugs on both the prop wood and
the leading edge of the wing. 226DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Robertson" <grobertson@verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: blood & guts
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon Robertson" <grobertson@verizon.net>
>
> >>Surely there must be a simple solution for cleaning bug blood & guts
from
> the propellor--anybody>>have a good recipe?
>
>
> I have never tried this on an airplane, but I find that on my cars Simple
> Green, applied concentrated, removes EVERYTHING except paint. Removes
tar,
> bugs, grease and oil, brake pad dust from the wheels, etc. Spray or wipe
> on, leave 2-3 minutes, and rub off.
>
> Also removes polish, so remember to rewax afterwards.
>
> Gordon Robertson
> RV8
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "ed " <ed_88@hotmail.com>
I don't know how much this applies to the product you are designing, but a
feature I would love to have in any form of electronic avionics would be the
ability to get real time data from it. Basically I would like to use it as a
datasource to drive a laptop with some custom software on it. This way I
could always write my own features when I had a specific desire, but I would
still have a "real" device to fall back on should my code not work :)
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but if you had some kind of
traffic display in your EHSI, that would also be a great too.
>From: Jeff Cours <rv-j@moriarti.org>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: What would your perfect EHSI look like?
>Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 13:52:49 -0700
>
>
>- Support an industry standard bus, pin-out, and data protocol for
>talking to other manufacturers' boxes. Ok, I know, this is the hardest
>of the bunch. But a guy can dream, right?
>
it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Terra TRT 250 D Xponder and TX 760 D Comm For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
For some reason the post was missing the first part of the line that
ended with; pay the freight. It was supposed to say; Best offer by next
friday and I'll pay the freight. Sorry for the confusion.
Casper
Garry Legare wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
>
>I'm redoing the panel on my 6 soooo the Terra has got to go. The
>transponder just passed a check about 2 months ago, and works great.
>Which is more than I can say for the Comm.
>The Comm transmits and receives great, but the digital display is
>intermittent. It will work for weeks at a time then decide it doesn't
>want to display anything for a day or two.
>Not my idea of fun.
>Both are about 3 years old and complete with trays and manuals.
>pay the freight.
>Please respond off list.
>Casper
>Having sooo much fun rewiring.
>
>
>
>
Garry Legare wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Garry Legare <versadek@earthlink.net>
>
>I'm redoing the panel on my 6 soooo the Terra has got to go. The
>transponder just passed a check about 2 months ago, and works great.
>Which is more than I can say for the Comm.
>The Comm transmits and receives great, but the digital display is
>intermittent. It will work for weeks at a time then decide it doesn't
>want to display anything for a day or two.
>Not my idea of fun.
>Both are about 3 years old and complete with trays and manuals.
>pay the freight.
>Please respond off list.
>Casper
>Having sooo much fun rewiring.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Eastern Avionics |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Ashford <jashford@ashcreekwireless.com>
Listers,
Have any of you had any dealings with Eastern Avionics International?
Any comments, good or not so good?
do not archive
Jim Ashford
RV 7, 75% done, 70% to go!
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| Subject: | Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
> I mailed Doug with a request for a moving map / nav instrument on the same
> display as the D10. Anybody else?
Actually, yes! :-)
-Dj
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| Subject: | F-1 Rocket for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Sebok" <ksebok@chinita.com>
Guys,
FYI, I'm selling my F-1. Brief overview-
2004 F-1 ROCKET. 35 hours TT, SMOH on Lycoming IO-540 C4B5. Nicely equipped
with digital radio, transponder, and instrument package. New MT 3 blade
propeller. Plan to deliver unpainted, can be painted to your preference.
Excellent airplane- flies perfectly. $140,000 obo.
Let me know if interested in further info, pictures.
Regards,
Ken
Telephone: 561-373-1595
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Eastern Avionics |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Jim:
I have dealt with Eastern on two occasions. Once at Oshkosh last year,
again this year via phone.
Both times I found them very helpful and willing to deal with the "little
guy" homebuilder that I am.
I would definitely do business with them again.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (res)
wiring, firewall forward stuff, etc
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ashford" <jashford@ashcreekwireless.com>
Subject: RV-List: Eastern Avionics
> --> RV-List message posted by: James Ashford
<jashford@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> Have any of you had any dealings with Eastern Avionics International?
> Any comments, good or not so good?
>
> do not archive
>
> Jim Ashford
> RV 7, 75% done, 70% to go!
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
A good recipe for the bug guts or a good recipe for something to remove
them?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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Subject: RV-List: blood & guts
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
Surely there must be a simple solution for cleaning bug blood & guts from
the propellor--anybody have a good recipe?
Dave Ford
RV6
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| Subject: | Re: What would your perfect EHSI look like? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" <robin.wessel@verizon.net>
Doug-
Thanks for asking for input.
I am building an RV-10 and it is fun watching the EFIS technologies mature
and develop. The missing link with your system in my opinion is the lack of
a DG/HSI to complement your D-10.
Must haves:
LOC/HSI inputs (+/- 150 mV)
LOC/HSI Flag input
ARC and HSI display with mag heading and course select
OBS select with that outputs either XYZ or ARINC 429 to a Garmin 430 or
CNX80
Heading bug
NMEA data repeater (capable of displaying GPS bearing, distance, dtk, trk,
spd, etc)
Can slave off of existing existing mag sensor
VERY Nice to haves:
Accepts Argus serial aviation-in or NMEA to slave current flight plan from
external GPS (functions like most MFD's or handheld slaved by a panel mount)
Displays course, waypoints, and database symbols with zoom like the King 825
EHSI
Electronic display of NAV source
Uses GPS data to crosscheck the attitude solution
Displays wind vector
Can act as backup for D10
Can display advanced course data such as DME arcs, holds, etc.
Nice to haves:
Outputs airdata to GPS
Terrain / map overlay
Encoder knob instead of one button for better usability
Heading bug can drive an autopilot
Adds flight director functionality to D10
Optional built-in GPS
Back course
Marker beacon inputs
Since vendors like Garmin have spent millions on developing GPS user
interfaces and have IFR certs, my preference would be for a EHSI to act
solely as a slave device and not have any flight planning functions to
complicate the core functions.
Price I would be willing to strongly consider: $2,500
Thanks,
Robin Wessel
Tigard, OR
RV-10 wings
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