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1. 12:04 AM - 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit (thomas a. sargent)
2. 07:51 AM - Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit (Paul Besing)
3. 08:19 AM - Re: Windows (Stuart B McCurdy)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Windows (Jim Daniels)
5. 08:36 AM - Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit (thomas a. sargent)
6. 08:39 AM - Twin Cities RV FlyIn, was Windows (Alex Peterson)
7. 10:12 AM - Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit (David Burton)
8. 11:21 AM - Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit (RV6AOKC@aol.com)
9. 01:32 PM - Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
10. 02:21 PM - King KLN-90A Owners Manual (Tommy Walker)
11. 03:23 PM - Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit (Paul Besing)
12. 05:44 PM - Re: King KLN-90A Owners Manual (Ross Scroggs)
13. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Windows (Evan and Megan Johnson)
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| Subject: | 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I have a 6A quick build. In the QB kit the main gear weldment comes
pre-drilled AND the fuselage has been pre-drilled. The problem is the
holes in the two parts don't line up very well.
How can this be, you say, wasn't it all drilled in place in the fuselage
to start with? Apparently not. Bruce at vans tells me that they drill
the gear weldment to the spar, but they don't match drill it to the
fuselage. They drill those holes in the weldment on the bench somehow.
The holes in the gear weldment that lie along the wing spar, look like
they match the spar pretty well. But the group of 4 that penetrate the
fuselage just forward of the spar appear to be off by at least 1/8"
upward. My theory at the moment is that the forward piece that screws
to the side of the fuselage (those 2 holes line up rather well) is
actually about 1/8" too low. That raises the whole outboard end of the
weldment 1/8".
I gather many QB builders have similar problems with the gear weldment.
What have other people done about it?
Thanks,
---
Tom Sargent, RV-6A QB
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| Subject: | Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
I had the same problem with my QB. If you use bolts and pin punches, etc to
try to get them to line up and still can't get them, you are going to need
to drill your own. Van's will have to send you new gear legs and mounts.
Then you will need to put the fuselage upside down, and measure the
placement of the gear legs. Use a transfer punch to mark the holes. Drill
them on the bench, and assemble.
It's alot of work, and very frustrating. Make sure you indeed need to do
this before you talk to Van's. They sent them to me free of charge, but
nevertheless, it took a couple of days work.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
> I have a 6A quick build. In the QB kit the main gear weldment comes
> pre-drilled AND the fuselage has been pre-drilled. The problem is the
> holes in the two parts don't line up very well.
>
> How can this be, you say, wasn't it all drilled in place in the fuselage
> to start with? Apparently not. Bruce at vans tells me that they drill
> the gear weldment to the spar, but they don't match drill it to the
> fuselage. They drill those holes in the weldment on the bench somehow.
>
> The holes in the gear weldment that lie along the wing spar, look like
> they match the spar pretty well. But the group of 4 that penetrate the
> fuselage just forward of the spar appear to be off by at least 1/8"
> upward. My theory at the moment is that the forward piece that screws
> to the side of the fuselage (those 2 holes line up rather well) is
> actually about 1/8" too low. That raises the whole outboard end of the
> weldment 1/8".
>
> I gather many QB builders have similar problems with the gear weldment.
> What have other people done about it?
>
> Thanks,
> ---
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A QB
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Stuart B McCurdy <sturdy@att.net>
In one of Tony Bingelis's last articles in Sport Builders Column in Sport Aviation,
he described how he installed a fold inward window in the left side of his
RV-6A slider canopy. The window was about 4 or 5 inches square, was hinged
on the bottom, and had a fold aside latch on the top so the window could swing
inward. Don't remember the month or year, but it was in the mid 90's.
Stu McCurdy
RV-3, 74TX, Flying
RV-8, 78TX, Flying
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Time: 08:37:01 AM PST US
From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Subject: RV-List: windows
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Has anybody out there ever built a sliding window on one of these planes? A small
plexi slider just big enough to put a camera lens out of would be great. Or
does the rush of 200 mph air want to rip the canopy off if such a thing is tried?
Just curious.....thanks in advance...
Evan
RV10 Flaps
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Daniels <jwdanie@comcast.net>
> Has anybody out there ever built a sliding window on one of these
> planes? A small plexi slider just big enough to put a camera lens out
> of would be great. Or does the rush of 200 mph air want to rip the
> canopy off if such a thing is tried? Just curious.....thanks in
> advance...
The glider guys all use windows in their canopies. There is a sliding
window with an air scoop as well from Mecaplex. See
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page37.htm for an example. As for speed,
they routinely fly at (or over) VNE which is often around 150 KTS.
You'll need the rails and the window, a little under $300 total.
Jim Daniels
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| Subject: | Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I just recalled a method I've seen used in building large steel
structures when holes don't line up. A welder just fills in the holes
with a welding bead, you file it flat and then you drill a new hole in
the right place. Does any one know why this wouldn't work? Would it
weaken the steel or have some other undesirable side effect?
>On 05/15 9:48, thomas a. sargent wrote:
>
> > I have a 6A quick build. In the QB kit the main gear weldment comes
> > pre-drilled AND the fuselage has been pre-drilled. The problem is the
> > holes in the two parts don't line up very well.
> >
>
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A QB
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| Subject: | Twin Cities RV FlyIn, was Windows |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Stuart B McCurdy <sturdy@att.net>
>
> In one of Tony Bingelis's last articles in Sport Builders
> Column in Sport Aviation, he described how he installed a
> fold inward window in the left side of his RV-6A slider
> canopy. The window was about 4 or 5 inches square, was
> hinged on the bottom, and had a fold aside latch on the top
> so the window could swing inward. Don't remember the month
> or year, but it was in the mid 90's.
>
> Stu McCurdy
> RV-3, 74TX, Flying
> RV-8, 78TX, Flying
I recall this also, and Tony's motivation was to remove/mask a crack
that developed in his canopy.
Twin Cities Fly In only a week away! See the link below:
Alex Peterson
Chairman, Twin Cities RV Forum
alexpeterson@earthlink.net
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~rvflyin
17650 82nd Way North
Maple Grove, Minnesota, 55311
612-418-9710
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| Subject: | Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
> I just recalled a method I've seen used in building large steel
> structures when holes don't line up. A welder just fills in the holes
> with a welding bead, you file it flat and then you drill a new hole in
> the right place. Does any one know why this wouldn't work? Would it
> weaken the steel or have some other undesirable side effect?
As always check with Vans...
If this is a mild steel plate then welding up the holes and re-drilling them
in a new location should be fine. You need to use the correct materials and
processes to insure that you don't create stress risers. A common mistake
is to use a "high strength" rod or wire to weld with so that the joint is
"stronger". What you end up with is a nasty combination of strong and weak
materials and a heat affected zone that will crack in short order. What you
need to achieve is a uniform piece of material that is the same thickness
and strength.
Find out what the alloy and heat treat is (if any) and then proceed with
that information.
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| Subject: | Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV6AOKC@aol.com
I had a similar problem with my 6A QB...but as I fit the wings and got the
pressure off of the gear all the holes lined up as advertised....I agonized for
several months on what to do....not sure where you are at with the process,
but most likely they will fit in the end...just my observations...
Kurt in OKC
Do Not Archive...
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| Subject: | Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 5/16/04 12:13:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
dburton@nwlink.com writes:
> If this is a mild steel plate then welding up the holes and re-drilling
> them
> in a new location should be fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If welding is a possibility, how about just cut off the flange, get some more
4130 plate, weld it where the old one was, reinstall and match drill to the
fuse? Possibly even reweld the old flange back on in the correct position, but
a new flange would probably be a better fit. You could even add a couple of
gussets to make it even stronger, just watch for bolt access/clearence. I
wonder who's gonna chime in on the list saying his holes are 1/8" off in the other
direction? 8-)
From The PossumWorks
Mark - 6A SLObuild, flying
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| Subject: | King KLN-90A Owners Manual |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 16 May 2004 16:24:39 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Anyone out there in RV Land have an owners manual for a KLN-90A GPS? I would be
glad to pay copy and shipping fee if you could make me a copy.
Contact me off list. twsurveyor@msn.com
Thanks,
Tommy
6A Ridgetop, TN
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
The problem with this is, the alignment of the weldments to the
wing/fueselage is dependent upon the relationship from the gearlegs to the
wing. If you do this, there is no guarantee that the camber of the wheels
will be correct. I think there is a picture on my website showing us having
to measure the gear legs to locate the new holes.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Soon
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: 6A gear weldment fit in a QB kit
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/16/04 12:13:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dburton@nwlink.com writes:
>
> > If this is a mild steel plate then welding up the holes and re-drilling
> > them
> > in a new location should be fine.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> If welding is a possibility, how about just cut off the flange, get some
more
> 4130 plate, weld it where the old one was, reinstall and match drill to
the
> fuse? Possibly even reweld the old flange back on in the correct
position, but
> a new flange would probably be a better fit. You could even add a couple
of
> gussets to make it even stronger, just watch for bolt access/clearence. I
> wonder who's gonna chime in on the list saying his holes are 1/8" off in
the other
> direction? 8-)
>
> >From The PossumWorks
> Mark - 6A SLObuild, flying
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: King KLN-90A Owners Manual |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
Tommy,
I just went to King's website and found the Pilots Manual for the A.
Here's the link,
http://www.bendixking.com/static/bk_club/pilotguides/techpubs/006-08743-0000_0.pdf
It is a big file but it can be saved and printed, if you want to.
Ross Scroggs
Locust Grove, Ga.
RV4 Wings #3911
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Subject: RV-List: King KLN-90A Owners Manual
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
>
> Anyone out there in RV Land have an owners manual for a KLN-90A GPS? I
would be glad to pay copy and shipping fee if you could make me a copy.
>
> Contact me off list. twsurveyor@msn.com
>
> Thanks,
> Tommy
> 6A Ridgetop, TN
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
There Ya go! Thats exactly what I'm talking about. Think I could install one
of these on the pilot side window on an RV10?
Thanks for the info guys......Evan
www.evansaviationproducts.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Daniels" <jwdanie@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Windows
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Daniels <jwdanie@comcast.net>
>
> > Has anybody out there ever built a sliding window on one of these
> > planes? A small plexi slider just big enough to put a camera lens out
> > of would be great. Or does the rush of 200 mph air want to rip the
> > canopy off if such a thing is tried? Just curious.....thanks in
> > advance...
>
> The glider guys all use windows in their canopies. There is a sliding
> window with an air scoop as well from Mecaplex. See
> http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page37.htm for an example. As for speed,
> they routinely fly at (or over) VNE which is often around 150 KTS.
> You'll need the rails and the window, a little under $300 total.
>
> Jim Daniels
>
>
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