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1. 07:33 AM - Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
2. 07:40 AM - Fw: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
3. 09:40 AM - Spinner Screws ED (Tim Bryan)
4. 10:24 AM - Re: Tip up canopy seal (Bartrim, Todd)
5. 11:34 AM - Re: Spinner Screws ED (Andy Karmy)
6. 01:56 PM - Dan "Sharpie" Checkoway's new movie.... (jacklockamy@att.net)
7. 02:16 PM - Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help (Jim Brown)
8. 05:02 PM - Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
9. 05:45 PM - RV-8 and Continental IO-360 (alan@reichertech.com)
10. 05:57 PM - RV-8 panel For Sale (N13eer@aol.com)
11. 06:36 PM - > Re:Spinner Screws ED (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
12. 10:26 PM - Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help (Karie Daniel)
13. 10:33 PM - Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help (Karie Daniel)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Hi Karie,
I would assume that the smaller holes are for riveting the spar to the rib.
Is that right? If so, maybe they are considered unnecessary, because the
bolts are much stronger.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (almost done)
In a message dated 5/17/04 11:33:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
karie4@comcast.net writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
> Hi all, I'm attaching the A-407 (inboard aileron bracket) to the aileron. I
> have QB wings, ailerons and flaps so you would think it's a slam dunk. The
> problem is that the A-407 bracket has three attach points for AN-3 bolts and
> there are three holes in the aileron spar where the bracket attaches. There are
> also two smaller pre-drilled and countersunk holes on either side of the
> center hole where the bracket goes.
>
> It looks like this is where a nutplate was supposed to go but the plans
> clearly show and call for an AN-3 bolt. I would just pound a few an426ad3-3's
and
> move on but nothing is getting riveted in these holes, there isn't any room.
> Does anyone know what you are supposed to do with these holes.
>
> I can send a digital pic if you would like to see what I'm talking about.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Karie Daniel
> RV-7A QB
> Sammamish, WA
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 5/18/04 9:29:02 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Hopperdhh
writes:
> rv-list@matronics.com
Karie,
If you have to rivet, there are MK-319-BS blind rivets available from Van's.
They are the ones used in the canopy side skirts.
Dan
From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help
Hi Karie,
I would assume that the smaller holes are for riveting the spar to the rib.
Is that right? If so, maybe they are considered unnecessary, because the
bolts are much stronger.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (almost done)
In a message dated 5/17/04 11:33:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
karie4@comcast.net writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
>
> Hi all, I'm attaching the A-407 (inboard aileron bracket) to the aileron. I
> have QB wings, ailerons and flaps so you would think it's a slam dunk. The
> problem is that the A-407 bracket has three attach points for AN-3 bolts and
> there are three holes in the aileron spar where the bracket attaches. There are
> also two smaller pre-drilled and countersunk holes on either side of the
> center hole where the bracket goes.
>
> It looks like this is where a nutplate was supposed to go but the plans
> clearly show and call for an AN-3 bolt. I would just pound a few an426ad3-3's
and
> move on but nothing is getting riveted in these holes, there isn't any room.
> Does anyone know what you are supposed to do with these holes.
>
> I can send a digital pic if you would like to see what I'm talking about.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Karie Daniel
> RV-7A QB
> Sammamish, WA
>
>
Hi Karie,
I would assume that the smaller holes are for riveting the spar to the rib. Is
that right? If so, maybe they are considered unnecessary, because the bolts are
much stronger.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (almost done)
In a message dated 5/17/04 11:33:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time, karie4@comcast.net
writes:
-- RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" karie4@comcast.net
Hi all, I'm attaching the A-407 (inboard aileron bracket) to the aileron. I=20have
QB wings, ailerons and flaps so you would think it's a slam dunk. The problem
is that the A-407 bracket has three attach points for AN-3 bolts and=20there
are three holes in the aileron spar where the bracket attaches. There=20are
also two smaller pre-drilled and countersunk holes on either side of the center
hole where the bracket goes.
It looks like this is where a nutplate was supposed to go but the plans clearly
show and call for an AN-3 bolt. I would just pound a few an426ad3-3's and move
on but nothing is getting riveted in these holes, there isn't any room. Does
anyone know what you are supposed to do with these holes.
I can send a digital pic if you would like to see what I'm talking about.
Thanks,
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
Sammamish, WA
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| Subject: | Spinner Screws ED |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
Hi Listers,
I searched the archives for this but no luck. I have my spinner mounted and
finished except for countersinking the spinner on the aft edge for the
countersunk washers. It appears to me the washers will be flush with the
aft edge of the spinner. It does look this way on the print as well but I
still question this. Should I just use round head screws? or is it OK to
have such a minimum ED with a countersink?
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
Tim Bryan
RV-6 N616TB
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| Subject: | Tip up canopy seal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <Steve.Bartrim@canfor.com>
You should be able to find this "V" seal at your local hardware store.
That's where I got mine. It works OK... sort of. My canopy fits pretty tight and
I found that this stuff interfered with the fit, making it hard to close (had
to slam that slider forward) and very hard to open. I now use a combination
of that on the forward bottom edge of the slider and the "P" strip that Van's
sells on the rest of the edge.
As yours is a tip-up you will likely have different fit issues.
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B
RX-9endurance
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner Screws ED |
--> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
You will find them both ways...
I just used round head stainless #8 screws, looks fine, easy to
maintain. I put some plastic washers under the heads to protect the
paint.
- Andy Karmy
RV9A Seattle WA
http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
On May 18, 2004, at 9:35 AM, Tim Bryan wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> I searched the archives for this but no luck. I have my spinner
> mounted and
> finished except for countersinking the spinner on the aft edge for the
> countersunk washers. It appears to me the washers will be flush with
> the
> aft edge of the spinner. It does look this way on the print as well
> but I
> still question this. Should I just use round head screws? or is it OK
> to
> have such a minimum ED with a countersink?
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Tim Bryan
> RV-6 N616TB
>
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- Andy Karmy
andy@karmy.com
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| Subject: | Dan "Sharpie" Checkoway's new movie.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: jacklockamy@att.net
To see an absolutely outstanding video of Dan "Sharpie" Checkoway's second and third flight, go to: http://images.rvproject.com/movies/sharpie.wmv
It is approx. 7 minutes long and worth every second! The video was filmed and composed by fellow SOCAL RV List builder Dave Richardson (www.rv-7.com). Make sure you view it in FULL SCREEN and with the sound turned UP! The music and synchronization are perfect.
Thanks again Dan and Dave for making this very motivating video available to us
that are "still pounding those rivets" and those flying......
Enjoy,
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
-7A canopy
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Karie,
You are right, the plans call for three AN-3 bolts. The top and bottom
AN-3 bolts are installed with a washer and nut.
The middle bolt screws into a NUTPLATE. You will have to use two pop
rivets to install the nutplate, since in the pre-built aileron there is
no way to squeeze or buck the rivets behind the end closeout.
Jim Brown
RV-7A
Florida
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Karie and Jim,
This must have change since I did my empennage about 3 years ago. My plans
called for an access cutout in the rib to get the washer and nut on the center
bolt.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 5/18/04 4:17:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
acrojim@cfl.rr.com writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Karie,
>
> You are right, the plans call for three AN-3 bolts. The top and bottom
> AN-3 bolts are installed with a washer and nut.
>
> The middle bolt screws into a NUTPLATE. You will have to use two pop
> rivets to install the nutplate, since in the pre-built aileron there is
> no way to squeeze or buck the rivets behind the end closeout.
>
> Jim Brown
> RV-7A
> Florida
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| Subject: | RV-8 and Continental IO-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com
Has anyone attempted putting a Continental IO-360 on an RV-8? Any links
to web sites with info on this?
- Alan
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| Subject: | RV-8 panel For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Changing out my panel to do IFR. 120 hours on all instruments, all working when
removed.
Van's Tachometer and sender
Van's Manifold Pressure gauge and sender
Van's Oil temp gauge and sender
Van's Oil pressure gauge and sender
Vans Fuel pressure gauge and sender
Van's voltmeter
Van's ammeter gauge and shunt
Van's CHT gauge and probe
Van's EGT gauge and probe
TSOed turn coordinator was yellow tagged when installed
UMA ASI MPH outer/knots inner RV-7/8 markings
Falcon 3000 FPM VSI
Falcon Altimeter
Ameri-king Blind Encoder
Will include RV-8 center panel cut for instruments
$1100/OBO
Contact me off list
N13eer@aol.com
Alan Kritzman
Cedar Rapids, IA
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| Subject: | Re: > Re:Spinner Screws ED |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
My spinner screws had the same situation. I countersunk and used the
tinnerman washers. I woundlt want to leave off the tinnerman washers on a
spinner,too critical to have it stay on !
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I found a few of these left over from my empennage, they worked fine.
Thanks!
Karie
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: RV-List: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/18/04 9:29:02 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Hopperdhh
> writes:
>
> > rv-list@matronics.com
>
> Karie,
>
> If you have to rivet, there are MK-319-BS blind rivets available from
Van's.
> They are the ones used in the canopy side skirts.
>
> Dan
>
> From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:29:02 EDT
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hi Karie,
>
> I would assume that the smaller holes are for riveting the spar to the
rib.
> Is that right? If so, maybe they are considered unnecessary, because the
> bolts are much stronger.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A (almost done)
>
>
> In a message dated 5/17/04 11:33:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> karie4@comcast.net writes:
>
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
> >
> > Hi all, I'm attaching the A-407 (inboard aileron bracket) to the
aileron. I
> > have QB wings, ailerons and flaps so you would think it's a slam dunk.
The
> > problem is that the A-407 bracket has three attach points for AN-3 bolts
and
> > there are three holes in the aileron spar where the bracket attaches.
There are
> > also two smaller pre-drilled and countersunk holes on either side of the
> > center hole where the bracket goes.
> >
> > It looks like this is where a nutplate was supposed to go but the plans
> > clearly show and call for an AN-3 bolt. I would just pound a few
an426ad3-3's and
> > move on but nothing is getting riveted in these holes, there isn't any
room.
> > Does anyone know what you are supposed to do with these holes.
> >
> > I can send a digital pic if you would like to see what I'm talking
about.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Karie Daniel
> > RV-7A QB
> > Sammamish, WA
> >
> >
>
>
> Hi Karie,
>
>
> I would assume that the smaller holes are for riveting the spar to the
rib. Is that right? If so, maybe they are considered unnecessary, because
the bolts are much stronger.
>
>
> Dan Hopper
>
> RV-7A (almost done)
>
>
> In a message dated 5/17/04 11:33:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
karie4@comcast.net writes:
>
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" karie4@comcast.net
>
>
> Hi all, I'm attaching the A-407 (inboard aileron bracket) to the aileron.
I=20have QB wings, ailerons and flaps so you would think it's a slam dunk.
The problem is that the A-407 bracket has three attach points for AN-3 bolts
and=20there are three holes in the aileron spar where the bracket attaches.
There=20are also two smaller pre-drilled and countersunk holes on either
side of the center hole where the bracket goes.
>
>
> It looks like this is where a nutplate was supposed to go but the plans
clearly show and call for an AN-3 bolt. I would just pound a few
an426ad3-3's and move on but nothing is getting riveted in these holes,
there isn't any room. Does anyone know what you are supposed to do with
these holes.
>
>
> I can send a digital pic if you would like to see what I'm talking about.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Karie Daniel
>
> RV-7A QB
>
> Sammamish, WA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@comcast.net>
I think a nutplate used to go in the center bolt but the plans appear to
have changed. Mine clearly show a nut for this bolt. I just placed a CS
blind rivet in these holes. I'm not sure why the plans would have changed or
why nobody else with a QB kit has ask this. I'll verify with Vans tomorrow
though to see if what I did was OK.
Karie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brown" <>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 A-407 Aileron Bracket Help
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Karie,
>
> You are right, the plans call for three AN-3 bolts. The top and bottom
> AN-3 bolts are installed with a washer and nut.
>
> The middle bolt screws into a NUTPLATE. You will have to use two pop
> rivets to install the nutplate, since in the pre-built aileron there is
> no way to squeeze or buck the rivets behind the end closeout.
>
> Jim Brown
> RV-7A
> Florida
>
>
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