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1. 05:38 AM - Re: WOW!!!! Oil temp, Stewart Warner, Pacific Oil Coolers (Alex Peterson)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: Wing Root Fairing (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: Slider Canopy RIvet Holes (tacaruth@ralcorp.com)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: WOW!!!! - Positech Oil Coolers (Charles Rowbotham)
5. 06:46 AM - Re: oil coolers (Charles Rowbotham)
6. 07:08 AM - Second Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn (Lwfeatherston@aol.com)
7. 08:29 AM - Oil Filter Adapters... (Bill VonDane)
8. 08:31 AM - Re: WOW!!!! - Positech Oil Coolers (Brian Denk)
9. 08:44 AM - Re: Second Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn (tacaruth@ralcorp.com)
10. 08:46 AM - Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball (Ross Mickey)
11. 08:59 AM - Van's Cost Estimator (Tommy Walker)
12. 08:59 AM - FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification (Rabaut, Chuck)
13. 09:05 AM - Re: 430 (David Burton)
14. 09:06 AM - Re: Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball (Gary Zilik)
15. 09:41 AM - canopy cutting - no big deal (RV8ter@aol.com)
16. 10:02 AM - Bilge ventilation fans (Jim Duckett)
17. 10:14 AM - Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now available (Ken Brooks)
18. 10:40 AM - Re: Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball (Laird Owens)
19. 10:53 AM - Re: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification (linn walters)
20. 10:58 AM - Re: Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now available (Dwight Frye)
21. 11:22 AM - Re: Second Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn (David Burton)
22. 11:26 AM - Re: Re:All Glass Certification (Bob)
23. 12:54 PM - Re: RV Builder in Charlotte (Lenleg@aol.com)
24. 01:08 PM - Re: Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball (Ross Mickey)
25. 01:13 PM - Re: RV Builder in Charlotte (Scott Bilinski)
26. 01:26 PM - Re: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification (Mike Robertson)
27. 01:33 PM - Re: WOW!!!! - Positech Oil Coolers (Mike Robertson)
28. 01:54 PM - Re: Bilge ventilation fans (Scott.Fink@microchip.com)
29. 03:52 PM - Re: Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball (Doug Weiler)
30. 04:02 PM - Re: Re:All Glass Certification (Jeff Point)
31. 04:22 PM - Re: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification (John Huft)
32. 04:47 PM - Re: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification (Rabaut, Chuck)
33. 05:18 PM - Re: Re; Electrical failure, was All Glass (GMC)
34. 08:05 PM - Felix Prop (Brian Alley)
35. 08:07 PM - Re: Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now available (James E. Clark)
36. 08:41 PM - (no subject) (linn walters)
37. 11:22 PM - Re: 430 (Mickey Coggins)
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| Subject: | WOW!!!! Oil temp, Stewart Warner, Pacific Oil Coolers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>
> Just curious, did you happen to calibrate your oil temp
> transducer on your ACS 2002? Reason I ask is that I dropped
> mine in boiling water and found that it read 230 degrees at
> boiling point, some 18 degrees high. I recalibrated and it
> now reads correct even at room temp. I just took a small pot
> and heated it using a propane bottle right near the engine so
> I didn't have to remove the wiring. Wouldn't it be nice if
> you could get another 18 degrees!
A fellow here with an ACS monitor claims that he saw a large (was it 25+
degrees?) drop when he switched to multi weight oil from his break-in
oil, everything else being equal. My engineering mind doesn't buy that
the drop was real. Perhaps there is some strange thing with
calibration? Boiling water is a good check, as long as you know the
boiling point of water at your elevation.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 469 hours
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Root Fairing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 5/20/04 6:32:11 PM Central Daylight Time, rick6a@yahoo.com
writes:
> I cannot easily visualize what the designer had in mind with the shape of
> the RV-6 series wing root fairings. The center bottom of drawing 46 depicts a
> 1/4 scale illustration of the 69" long fairing. One side is sheared straight
> and the other has an undulating curve. By casually laying the uncut fairing
> against the structure and clamping its aft edge even with the aft edge of the
> upper wing skin, it seems to me that so much material will ultimately by
> trimmed off as waste that that either side can be positioned facing the fuselage.
> Right or wrong?
>
> Is 2-1/2" the ideal fastener spacing distance (as per the
> tie in of the center belly/wing skin) or is better spacing suggested?
>
> Also, while I'm picking brains here......what is the optimum
> fairing-to-fuselage gap that assures a good tight fit of the rubber seal?
>
> Any "gotcha's" I should be on the alert for? Thanks for any input.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You'll probably trim both sides eventually. Lay it up against the fuse as
you describe and take a fat sharpie, hold it vertically against the fuse with
the tip on the fairing and draw a line all the way around. (the bottom is a
little weird- just estimate) Zip this off on your bandsaw and repeat if necessay.
You should get your rubber seal and a piece of scrap to play with to
determine the optimum gap. Cut a little piece of seal off the end, install it
on the
scrap and press it down on another surface so you get the result you want.
Just remember you can always take more off the fairing if it's too tight. I've
seen some of the seals pressed up against the fuse tight enough to almost lay
flat on the side of the fuse, others that barely touched. Mine are about
1/2" or maybe a little more, (estimate- plane is at airport)
Screw spacing is determined by what you did with your inboard rivet spacing
on the main rib and tank end rib. I left out every other rivet and installed
#6 nutplates after fitting the fairing. Of course lay this out carefully to
avoid drilling into the tank or spar! I drew a rib centerline on the skins,
laid out the hole locations, then drew another line about 6" outboard of the
first, then drew a perpendicular from the second line to the screw locations and
carefully measured the length of each perpendicular and wrote it on the skin
next to the perpendicular for each screw. Clamp the fairing in final position,
lay your scale along the perpendicular, measure to the hole location and
drill. Worked great. Once you have the screw locations finalized, you can trim
the outboard edge to be closer to the screws, being careful again to not trim
too much and expose the edges of the wing/tank skins. You might also want to
use the edge rolling tool along here, just remember to do it BEFORE you dimple!
One tip- after wrestling with trying to keep the seal on the fairing to
install it, I taped the seal to the fairing with electrical tape (on the outside,
of course!) and starting at the rear, used silver clecos into the nutplates to
get the thing in position before shooting the screws.
All this worked pretty well for me, YMMV- You could always roll yer own out
of effinglass! 8-)
Mark- -6A, 75 hours, getting ready for paint & almost DONE with the
effinglass!
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| Subject: | Re: Slider Canopy RIvet Holes |
05/21/2004 08:06:18 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
Thanks Dan,
I was worried that this last hole would be too close to the top screw.
Van's never states what the minimum hole to hole distance is, or the
minimum hole to edge distance for the plexiglass. I'm pretty good at
following these type of rules if I know what they are. It would be a shame
to have the canopy crack at a later time due to a very avoidable situation.
Thanks again,
Tom
Hopperdhh@aol.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Tom,
One inch above the bottom edge of the plexi would be fine. On mine I had a
case where about 1/2 of a rivet shows under the side skirt. At one inch
you
won't have this problem.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (almost ready to go to the airport for final assembly)
In a message dated 5/20/04 10:44:30 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
tacaruth@ralcorp.com writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have trimmed the sliding 7A canopy and am ready to drill the holes to
the
> front and rear canopy tubes. It says on the plans to use a 2" spacing.
My
> question is how close to the lower edge do you continue with the holes?
My
> canopy is trimmed about 1/4" above the square horizontal tubes. When I
> look at the side skirts and braces, etc, I see alot of holes for holding
> these on also. I worry about having the holes too close together in the
> lower most hole above the square tube. The lowest hole would be about 1"
> above the lower edge of the plexiglass. How have others that have gone
> before handled this? Should I just temporarily leave out the lower hole
> until the side skirts are installed and then go back and add a last rive,
> if needed? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advanc,
> Tom
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| Subject: | Re: WOW!!!! - Positech Oil Coolers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Dan,
Thanks for the great update.
I would like to provide our experience with Positech Oil coolers on our
IO-360 (200 hp).
We ordered our Positech cooler from Vans and from the beginning we had high
oil temps. We had heard that the 200 hp generated a lot of heat but short of
running in the 21" area could not keep the temps down (below 220). We moved
the cooler from the rear baffle to the firewall - which made it worse.
We called Brain at Positech and explained our situation - he said the
original cooler had the flow tubes to close together and air was damming up
rather than passing thru - providing required airflow. He sent an updated
unit (no charge) and we reinstalled it on the rear baffle - behind cyl 4.
Since that time our oil temps have been very good. On our flight to S-N-F
last month - Oil temps were in the 170 - 190 range).
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A (200 hp)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Wheeler,
If I understand your question - you are concerned about increased CHT on cyl
4 where the oil cooler in mounted against on the rear baffle. Our experience
and a number of other RV-8 builders is that Cyl 4 is the coolest cyl. The
consensis is that the airflow thru the oil cooler also provides additional
cooling ( in addition to the air forced thru the cyl - down) and hence lower
CHT.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A (200hp)
>From: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: "'rv-list@matronics.com'" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: oil coolers
>Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:50:16 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
>Thanks Dan,
>
>this has been my experience as well. the S/Ws work, the rest ????
>
>My latest pending change is to move mine onto the interior plenum rear
>baffle rather than using the FW mount and 3" hose as I still get into the
>230s on a Sedona Day climb out to altitude. Even in slow flight with low
>power it will eventually get hot using the 3" hose.
>
>I have long wondered if the extra airflow to the cooler will cause higher
>CHTs but I am now getting convinced that the plenum will just take in more
>air.
>
>W
>
>
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| Subject: | Second Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Sorry folks, but I just learned something. If you want to attract a lot of
attention to your FlyIn don't publish the date! Everyone is invited to the
Second Annual Rebel's Bluff RV FlyIn on June 5th. Let's begin at about 10:00AM.
All aircraft are welcome! Even drive in's if you are still "poundin'
rivets."
Rebel's Bluff Airstrip is 2,200' of very nice sod, located 2 miles
NNE of Mt Vernon Municipal airport, Mt Vernon, MISSOURI, (2MO). The lat/longs
are N37 06.1 and W93 52.2. Generally, it is 150 miles south of Kansas City,
and 150 east of Tulsa. Lunch will be provided by
the local Boy Scout troop. Last year we had 27 RV's and one Harmon Rocket II.
Some other interesting airplanes always show up, such as Stearman's, etc. If
you can stay overnight, there is a nice campsite on the field. Also, the
local Super 8 will be available for $50 double occupancy.
Dinner will be a Steak or Bar-B-Que
Chicken affair with all the trimmings for about $8. You must RSVP for dinner.
We
had a great time last year. There will be Avgas 100LL available at cost,
estimated to be $2.25. If you need autogas please let me know. Please come and
make this the largest RV event in the Midwest. Contact Les Featherston
417-466-4663 or lwfeatherston@AOL.com for any information that I left out this
time.
Thank you, Les PS For pictures and info on last years event see
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Photo%20gallery.html
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| Subject: | Oil Filter Adapters... |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hey all...
I am doing some research into a cleanable and reusable oil filter for
experimental aircraft and am gathering information on oil filter adapters...
If you could please take a moment to fill out this for I would really
appreciate it...
http://www.vondane.com/oil_filter/
Also, if anyone has a Whelen wingtip mounted power supply for a single
strobe that I could borrow please contact me offline...
-Bill VonDane
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
bill@vondane.com
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| Subject: | Re: WOW!!!! - Positech Oil Coolers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>Dan,
>
>Thanks for the great update.
>
>I would like to provide our experience with Positech Oil coolers on our
>IO-360 (200 hp).
>
>We ordered our Positech cooler from Vans and from the beginning we had high
>oil temps. We had heard that the 200 hp generated a lot of heat but short
>of
>running in the 21" area could not keep the temps down (below 220). We
>moved
>the cooler from the rear baffle to the firewall - which made it worse.
>
>We called Brain at Positech and explained our situation - he said the
>original cooler had the flow tubes to close together and air was damming up
>rather than passing thru - providing required airflow. He sent an updated
>unit (no charge) and we reinstalled it on the rear baffle - behind cyl 4.
>Since that time our oil temps have been very good. On our flight to S-N-F
>last month - Oil temps were in the 170 - 190 range).
>
>Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
>RV-8A (200 hp)
Exactly my same experience. The early coolers were bad news. Guaranteed to
toast your oil in short order. They sent a free replacement upon request.
I had already installed a Niagara so my problem was already solved. Still,
it's good to see a company that admits when there is a problem and does the
right thing to fix it.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Re: Second Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn |
05/21/2004 10:41:12 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: tacaruth@ralcorp.com
Les,
If you have 100LL for only $2.25 a gallon, it may be cheaper than auto gas
at a filling station. What's this world coming to?
Tom
RV-7A, working on canopy
Lwfeatherston@aol
.com
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05/21/2004 09:03 RV-List: Second Annual Rebel's
AM Bluff FlyIn
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--> RV-List message posted by: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Sorry folks, but I just learned something. If you want to attract a lot of
attention to your FlyIn don't publish the date! Everyone is invited to the
Second Annual Rebel's Bluff RV FlyIn on June 5th. Let's begin at about
10:00AM.
All aircraft are welcome! Even drive in's if you are still "poundin'
rivets."
Rebel's Bluff Airstrip is 2,200' of very nice sod, located 2
miles
NNE of Mt Vernon Municipal airport, Mt Vernon, MISSOURI, (2MO). The
lat/longs
are N37 06.1 and W93 52.2. Generally, it is 150 miles south of Kansas
City,
and 150 east of Tulsa. Lunch will be provided by
the local Boy Scout troop. Last year we had 27 RV's and one Harmon Rocket
II.
Some other interesting airplanes always show up, such as Stearman's, etc.
If
you can stay overnight, there is a nice campsite on the field. Also, the
local Super 8 will be available for $50 double occupancy.
Dinner will be a Steak or Bar-B-Que
Chicken affair with all the trimmings for about $8. You must RSVP for
dinner. We
had a great time last year. There will be Avgas 100LL available at cost,
estimated to be $2.25. If you need autogas please let me know. Please
come and
make this the largest RV event in the Midwest. Contact Les Featherston
417-466-4663 or lwfeatherston@AOL.com for any information that I left out
this time.
Thank you, Les PS For pictures and info on last years event see
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Photo%20gallery.html
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| Subject: | Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
Laird,
I need to add a rudder tab but hate to mess up the rudder. What are the
"best" ways to add a rudder tab?
Ross Mickey
N9PT
-----Original Message-----
From: Laird Owens
My RV was similar to yours with the gear leg fairings off. I kept the
fairing straight and used a small rudder tab because I thought (and
this is pure speculation) that because of the longer moment on the
rudder, it would take less force (and therefore drag) to move the tail
back in the right spot.
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| Subject: | Van's Cost Estimator |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:57:01 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Nearing the completion of my 6A project I decided to "total up" my cost and found
them to be in line with Van's Cost Estimator. Remember that Van doesn't include
any money for painting, builders risk ins., taxes and registration fees etc.
Conclusion:
Any list watchers out there wondering "how much will it cost?", take a look at
Van's Cost Estimator. I think it's fairly accurate.
Thought I would pass this interesting tidbit along,
Tommy Walker
6A, creeping up on the "big day"
Ridgetop, TN
do not archive this tidbit!
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| Subject: | FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fcle.org>
Hey Mike, what's this mean...
"FAA's Aircraft Registration Branch will increase its regulatory enforcement program beginning June 1, 2004. An owner who fails to respond within 60 days under the Triennial Aircraft Registration Report program might see suspension or revocation of his or her Certificate of Aircraft Registration and cancellation of the aircraft's "N" number, or registration. FAA says the increased enforcement is a safety as well as a paperwork issue. "The agency and manufacturers must be able to notify aircraft owners to distribute safety and maintenance related information, including airworthiness directives," said Mark Lash, manager of the FAA Civil Aviation Registry. The registry also helps local law enforcement and FSS begin search for a downed or overdue aircraft. FAA says registration address changes should be updated within 30 days, and it will post the names of those at risk on its website, www.faa.gov."
Do we have to re-register our aircraft every three years (Triennial Aircraft Registration
Report program)? Thanks,
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Subject: RE: RV-List: All Glass Certification
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Steve, You do not get a panel certified for IFR. It is the responsibility
of the pilot to determine if he/she has the instruments and radios to comply
with the requirements of FAR 91.205(e). The Operating Limitations that will
be issued will either say that the aircraft is restricted to Day VFR only or
that it is restricted to Day VFR unless appropriately equipped for night
and/or IFR operations. If your inspector or DAR says otherwise then ask him
to look in Order 8130.2E for the proper wording.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: All Glass Certification
>Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:45:07 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
>
>Has anyone been able to get an all electric, all glass instrument panel
>certified for IFR or VFR? I really want to avoid putting any round dials
>on my panel if possible.
>
>Also, has anyone used an inspector in the Memphis, TN area other than the
>one at the local FSDO?
>
>Thanks,
>Steve
>7QB
>MEM
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: RV-List: 430
> I would suggest you download the 430/530 demonstrator and practice with it
> if it seems to be cluncky to work. I find it no harder than using any of
the
> other garmin handhelds, and its a lot easier than using the anywhere map.
> That one is great for viewing but a pain to enter stuff into,,, its too
> small to hit on bumpy days.
As you said, It's no harder then the other Garmin handhelds to use. Since
I've flown for a decade with my 195 the 430 is very intuitive. The menus
and the way you operate both of them is very similar. My problem with it is
that it takes too much heads down time to take full advantage of its
capabilities. If I was flying as the first officer and my job was the 430 it
would be great. If I'm the pilot, I'm too busy to be spending the time
needed to run the box.
The lack of terrain info, the fact that it is unaware of the altitudes that
the FAA wants you to be at during various phases of an instrument approach
and that is doesn't know about the existence of the federal airways that
the FAA wants you to be on during instrument flight is ridiculous. $500 a
year for a database subscription and I still need to purchase paper charts
to be able to fly with it? (I'm going to have paper with me as a back up of
course, but the box should have this info in it...)
I knew that my previous post was going to get a lot of response from the
folks who have a 430 and like it. For people in the "planning their panel
stage" I wanted to post another point of view to consider. We have had a
430 for a long time and at the time we put it in it may have been the best
thing there was. I like the radios a lot. Things are always changing
though. I think a 430 costs about half of what we paid for it when they
first came out....
We think it's "OK" but are considering pulling it and selling it for
something else because we are not satisfied with the way it is working for
us. Just my opinion. I'm not saying I don't use it or can't use it. I'm
saying I think there might be something that will work better for me...
Maybe the 530 will fill the bill. I'm looking at the other options and
would welcome suggestions! I thought the Apollo was interesting looking. I
don't know to think about what will happen to the line since Garmin
purchased them.
And yes, if we don't trade the 430 in, the list will be the first to know
it's for sale :-)
Here is a link to a little more articulate pirep about flying with the 430
then mine:
http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/garmin-gps
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
I stuck mine on with double sided tape. Been there for 4 years with no
problem.
Gary
Ross Mickey wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
>Laird,
>
>I need to add a rudder tab but hate to mess up the rudder. What are the
>"best" ways to add a rudder tab?
>
>Ross Mickey
>N9PT
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Laird Owens
>
>My RV was similar to yours with the gear leg fairings off. I kept the
>fairing straight and used a small rudder tab because I thought (and
>this is pure speculation) that because of the longer moment on the
>rudder, it would take less force (and therefore drag) to move the tail
>back in the right spot.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | canopy cutting - no big deal |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
fellas, after hearing about this for years and seeing a lot of email comments
and web sites on the topic, I decided to "screw it" and just make the BIG CUT
today, on my own, in my "arctic cold" 67 degree garage. Didn't fire up the
heaters. Only used 8 clamps, not 30. No problemo. Took about 4 minutes at
most.
I have been pretty rough on grinding and cutting up the canopy to this point
so I had gained confidence that with the 1/4 inch Todd's canopy this bad boy
just wasn't going to crack or chip making the BIG CUT without some tragic
outside intervention. And with his free replacement offer if you crack it I wasn't
holding back. I guess I don't need that 1/5th I was saving for courage on
this job. I'll save it for first flight (or if I decide to paint my plane
myself I'll need it).
Anyway, if you've been worried about this part and have the Todd's canopy,
don't be.
Lucky
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| Subject: | Bilge ventilation fans |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
Scott,
To answer your first question, yes. The purpose for these fans is to
evacuate possible exsplosive vapors and fumes from the bilge and engine
galley before the ingnition is turned on or the engine(s) are started.
The problem is that an average 2 car garage has about 7,000 Cubic Feet
of air. The fan in your link only move 235 Cubic Feet per Minute (CFM).
This fan would take 30 minutes to exchange the air in that space with
no restrictions such as ducting or filters.
Although it may not be of concern to you, industry standards as well as
the National Fire and Uniform Building Codes requires that the air be
completely exchanged at least every 5 minutes. In this situation of a
7,000 C.F. area, you would need a fan that moves at least 1400 CFM.
Figuring that you will have some kind of filtering system as well as
the garage not being designed for optimum air folw I would figure at
least 20% more CFM or rounded off to 1800 CFM.
Another thing you must factor in is "Make-up Air". You must be able to
replace the air you are moving out or you start to create a vaccum in
your paint area. In other words no matter how much you clean the area
you will pull every dust partical and piece of particulant matter out of
places you never knew exsisted . Being able to keep a small amount of
positive pressure in the booth is actually better. As an example our
booth is roughly 20,000 C.F., our evacuation fans move 28,000CFM and our
make-up air is 32,500CFM so we completely exchange the air roughly once
a minute with a residual positive pressure of about 4-6 ounces. No fuss,
no muss and the booth stays clean.
If you can move enough air, generally a DIY'er can get away with using
nearly any type of motor if you plan on just painting your project.
Years, I mean LOTS of years ago, many small shops just used gangs of
"Box Fans" in one end of the booth and filters in the other. Four high
flow box fans and twelve 3M Hepa furnance filters would still be less
than half the cost of one explosion-proof motor ( less the fan, housing
and frame).
Many industrial suppliers such as Graingers and Dayton offer many
different types of ventilation fans and filters if you really want to go
first class but, for a one time job, you might consider cheaper
alternatives to achieve the same results.
Hope this helped in some way...
Jim Duckett, N708JD
Jimmie Dee's Custom Hot Rod Shop
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| Subject: | Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now available |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
While the online charts and approach plates may be updated, be advised that
none of the approach plates I saw had the date printed anywhere on them, so
if you are ever ramp checked by the FAA, they may not be considered legal.
This might bear further investigation to see how they would treat one of
these online charts.
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
RV-8 Still Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Ross,
There are a couple of ways to do it after it's painted. I just cut a
tab out of soft alum (6061-0, I think), put a bend that I thought was
close, painted it, then pop riveted it on to the rudder about mid way
up. That's held up well. Go up and get set up on your normal cruise
speed then check it, land then bend it the right way. Then repeat. It
takes a couple of flights to get it right. Then someone will bump it
at an airshow and you'll wonder what happened....
The other way to do it is with a piece of balsa cut to a wedge about 1
-1-1/2 inches long and just double stick it to the rudder and
experiment until you get the right size. You could then epoxy it,
sand, fill, and paint, then put back on the rudder with double stick.
If you REALLY wanted a bunch of work, you could move the nose of the
fin by changing the attachment to the main spar of the stab until it
flew straight. I've really wanted to do that, but I put a LOT of work
into my emp fairing and I think I'd rather shoot myself first.
Maybe that little trim tab isn't that bad....
Laird
SoCal
On May 21, 2004, at 8:44 AM, Ross Mickey wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
>
> Laird,
>
> I need to add a rudder tab but hate to mess up the rudder. What are
> the
> "best" ways to add a rudder tab?
>
> Ross Mickey
> N9PT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laird Owens
>
> My RV was similar to yours with the gear leg fairings off. I kept the
> fairing straight and used a small rudder tab because I thought (and
> this is pure speculation) that because of the longer moment on the
> rudder, it would take less force (and therefore drag) to move the tail
> back in the right spot.
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Rabaut, Chuck wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fcle.org>
>
>Hey Mike, what's this mean...
>
>"FAA's Aircraft Registration Branch will increase its regulatory enforcement program beginning June 1, 2004. An owner who fails to respond within 60 days under the Triennial Aircraft Registration Report program might see suspension or revocation of his or her Certificate of Aircraft Registration and cancellation of the aircraft's "N" number, or registration. FAA says the increased enforcement is a safety as well as a paperwork issue. "The agency and manufacturers must be able to notify aircraft owners to distribute safety and maintenance related information, including airworthiness directives," said Mark Lash, manager of the FAA Civil Aviation Registry. The registry also helps local law enforcement and FSS begin search for a downed or overdue aircraft. FAA says registration address changes should be updated within 30 days, and it will post the names of those at risk on its website, www.faa.gov."
>
>Do we have to re-register our aircraft every three years (Triennial Aircraft Registration
Report program)? Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
If the owners address is current for the aircraft registration ..... you
don't have to do anything. I guess every three years they check the
registratin address ..... and if it comes back as bad .... they'll pull
your registration. There is a form available on the website at
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraft.asp (near the top) and registration
number search at http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htm to check the
address on file. I filled out two forms! :-[
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now available |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
On Fri May 21 13:06:24 2004, Ken Brooks wrote :
>While the online charts and approach plates may be updated, be advised that
>none of the approach plates I saw had the date printed anywhere on them, so
>if you are ever ramp checked by the FAA, they may not be considered legal.
>This might bear further investigation to see how they would treat one of
>these online charts.
Just to take a look at the new products being offered by the FAA I pulled down
an approach plate for the ILS-34 into Asheville, NC to have a look. I did see
that along the bottom the notation 'Amdt 23F 04106' and thought that this
indicated the ammendment version of this particular plate. This could be used
to identify whether the particular approach plate was current or not.
Mind you, I could be mistaken as it has been a while since my old instrument
instructor passed along this tidbit of knowledge ... but, based on that view
I felt that these could be used safely and legally. I would very much like
being corrected if I am wrong, as I do _not_ want to fail an FAA ramp check
(or run into a mountain) for any reason if I can help it! :)
-- Dwight
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Second Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
> Les,
>
> If you have 100LL for only $2.25 a gallon, it may be cheaper than auto gas
> at a filling station. What's this world coming to?
The fuel in that big tank down at the airport stays the same price till it's
gone... At least it does around here. The few gallons we sip out of it is
nothing compared to the giant sucking sound created by all those SUVs lined
up at the local gas stations in town... I bet his price is going to go up
a bunch with the next load! Get it while it lasts.
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| Subject: | Re:All Glass Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
FYI, I have an all glass panel except for fuel gauges, and I had no problem
getting my airworthiness certificate. During the inspection the inspector
did not even ask to see them, as you can't see any data without the system
being powered up. He just ask if I had all the basic VFR instruments and
what did I have. As far as IFR, your operating instructions for the first
25-40 hours are day VFR only, then if you have the right equipment you can
fly VFR night and IFR day/night.
BTW I have had a total elecrical failure at night in the pattern, no
problem flying an RV without instruments. One of the best landings I have
ever made.
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
At 07:12 PM 5/20/04, Steve&Anita Nyman wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
>
>Yes, I understood to what Mike was alluding. My intent was not to discuss
>the pros and cons of glass cockpits or what the FAR's say is
>required. Read my message again. I have perused the archives ad
>nauseum. I simply wanted to know if anyone has successfully obtained
>experimental certification to fly their all electric, all glass
>experimental airplane either IFR or VFR. I asked this question because
>the individual at Aerotronics who is designing and will be building my
>panel has run into problems getting all glass cockpits approved at some
>locations.
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| Subject: | Re: RV Builder in Charlotte |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 5/20/04 6:22:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mbick@carolina.rr.com writes:
I am looking for an RV4 builder in the Charlotte, NC area to take a look at
the work so far. I bought a kit that has been started and I am in the
process of finishing but would like to have an "Expert" take a look.
Thanks
Mike
Mike:
I forwarded your message to the Southeast RV Squadron list ... we have
several guys in the Charlotte area that qualify and should respond to your request.
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
245 hrs
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| Subject: | Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
Thanks, Laird.
I offset my vertical 3/8" and am still getting the pull to the right.
I am with you, give me the gun before you give me the fiberglass
work...again.
In terms of placement of an aluminum tab, I guess it doesn't matter
whether the bent part is extending beyond the edge of the rudder or is
flush with it. It would probably be easier to adjust if it extended
beyond though.
Ross
-----Original Message-----
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Ross,
There are a couple of ways to do it after it's painted. I just cut a
tab out of soft alum (6061-0, I think), put a bend that I thought was
close, painted it, then pop riveted it on to the rudder about mid way
up. That's held up well. Go up and get set up on your normal cruise
speed then check it, land then bend it the right way. Then repeat. It
takes a couple of flights to get it right. Then someone will bump it
at an airshow and you'll wonder what happened....
The other way to do it is with a piece of balsa cut to a wedge about 1
-1-1/2 inches long and just double stick it to the rudder and
experiment until you get the right size. You could then epoxy it,
sand, fill, and paint, then put back on the rudder with double stick.
If you REALLY wanted a bunch of work, you could move the nose of the
fin by changing the attachment to the main spar of the stab until it
flew straight. I've really wanted to do that, but I put a LOT of work
into my emp fairing and I think I'd rather shoot myself first.
Maybe that little trim tab isn't that bad....
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| Subject: | Re: RV Builder in Charlotte |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Try this.
http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp
At 03:49 PM 5/21/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 5/20/04 6:22:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>mbick@carolina.rr.com writes:
>I am looking for an RV4 builder in the Charlotte, NC area to take a look at
>the work so far. I bought a kit that has been started and I am in the
>process of finishing but would like to have an "Expert" take a look.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
>Mike:
>
>I forwarded your message to the Southeast RV Squadron list ... we have
>several guys in the Charlotte area that qualify and should respond to your
>request.
>
>Len Leggette, RV-8A
>Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
>245 hrs
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Kind of. Once an aircraft is registered every three years after that the
owner is supposed to be getting a card from the registry asking them if they
still have the aircraft. If the owner does then he/she is supposed to fill
out the card and mail it back in. There is no cost. This is called the
trienneal review.
The registry is trying to get a better handle on how many aircraft are still
really in the system and to reduce the amount of paperwork costs in sending
out ADs only to existing aircraft. This rule has actually been around for a
while but has not been enforced.
Another rule that they are starting to enforce as of June is the requirement
to both print and sign your name on the application for registration. A lot
of people don't see that in the bottom block of this form it asctually says
to beth print and sign, so they just sign it and let it go.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fcle.org>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass
>Certification
>Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:56:26 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fcle.org>
>
>Hey Mike, what's this mean...
>
>"FAA's Aircraft Registration Branch will increase its regulatory
>enforcement program beginning June 1, 2004. An owner who fails to respond
>within 60 days under the Triennial Aircraft Registration Report program
>might see suspension or revocation of his or her Certificate of Aircraft
>Registration and cancellation of the aircraft's "N" number, or
>registration. FAA says the increased enforcement is a safety as well as a
>paperwork issue. "The agency and manufacturers must be able to notify
>aircraft owners to distribute safety and maintenance related information,
>including airworthiness directives," said Mark Lash, manager of the FAA
>Civil Aviation Registry. The registry also helps local law enforcement and
>FSS begin search for a downed or overdue aircraft. FAA says registration
>address changes should be updated within 30 days, and it will post the
>names of those at risk on its website, www.faa.gov."
>
>Do we have to re-register our aircraft every three years (Triennial
>Aircraft Registration Report program)? Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: All Glass Certification
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>
>Steve, You do not get a panel certified for IFR. It is the responsibility
>of the pilot to determine if he/she has the instruments and radios to
>comply
>with the requirements of FAR 91.205(e). The Operating Limitations that
>will
>be issued will either say that the aircraft is restricted to Day VFR only
>or
>that it is restricted to Day VFR unless appropriately equipped for night
>and/or IFR operations. If your inspector or DAR says otherwise then ask
>him
>to look in Order 8130.2E for the proper wording.
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>
> >From: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: All Glass Certification
> >Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:45:07 -0500
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >Has anyone been able to get an all electric, all glass instrument panel
> >certified for IFR or VFR? I really want to avoid putting any round dials
> >on my panel if possible.
> >
> >Also, has anyone used an inspector in the Memphis, TN area other than the
> >one at the local FSDO?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Steve
> >7QB
> >MEM
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WOW!!!! - Positech Oil Coolers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Likewise my experience was the same as Brian's. I was just behind Brian
building my -8A and had the original Positech cooler with the same high oil
temp problems. I changed over to a Stewart Warner and the problem was
solved. Unfortunately by the time that Positech admitted their error and
offered to exchange coolers, my old Positech cooler had been at the bottom
of the ocean off Honolulu for several months. I'm sure some small fish is
making a wonderful home of it today.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: WOW!!!! - Positech Oil Coolers
>Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:28:31 +0000
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> >Dan,
> >
> >Thanks for the great update.
> >
> >I would like to provide our experience with Positech Oil coolers on our
> >IO-360 (200 hp).
> >
> >We ordered our Positech cooler from Vans and from the beginning we had
>high
> >oil temps. We had heard that the 200 hp generated a lot of heat but short
> >of
> >running in the 21" area could not keep the temps down (below 220). We
> >moved
> >the cooler from the rear baffle to the firewall - which made it worse.
> >
> >We called Brain at Positech and explained our situation - he said the
> >original cooler had the flow tubes to close together and air was damming
>up
> >rather than passing thru - providing required airflow. He sent an updated
> >unit (no charge) and we reinstalled it on the rear baffle - behind cyl 4.
> >Since that time our oil temps have been very good. On our flight to S-N-F
> >last month - Oil temps were in the 170 - 190 range).
> >
> >Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
> >RV-8A (200 hp)
>
>Exactly my same experience. The early coolers were bad news. Guaranteed
>to
>toast your oil in short order. They sent a free replacement upon request.
>I had already installed a Niagara so my problem was already solved. Still,
>it's good to see a company that admits when there is a problem and does the
>right thing to fix it.
>
>Brian Denk
>RV8 N94BD
>RV10 '51
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bilge ventilation fans |
05/21/2004 01:51:41 PM,
Serialize complete at 05/21/2004 01:51:41 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com
Excellent info, Jim, Thanks!
Scott
Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
Scott,
To answer your first question, yes. The purpose for these fans is to
evacuate possible exsplosive vapors and fumes from the bilge and engine
galley before the ingnition is turned on or the engine(s) are started.
The problem is that an average 2 car garage has about 7,000 Cubic Feet
of air. The fan in your link only move 235 Cubic Feet per Minute (CFM).
This fan would take 30 minutes to exchange the air in that space with
no restrictions such as ducting or filters.
Although it may not be of concern to you, industry standards as well as
the National Fire and Uniform Building Codes requires that the air be
completely exchanged at least every 5 minutes. In this situation of a
7,000 C.F. area, you would need a fan that moves at least 1400 CFM.
Figuring that you will have some kind of filtering system as well as
the garage not being designed for optimum air folw I would figure at
least 20% more CFM or rounded off to 1800 CFM.
Another thing you must factor in is "Make-up Air". You must be able to
replace the air you are moving out or you start to create a vaccum in
your paint area. In other words no matter how much you clean the area
you will pull every dust partical and piece of particulant matter out of
places you never knew exsisted . Being able to keep a small amount of
positive pressure in the booth is actually better. As an example our
booth is roughly 20,000 C.F., our evacuation fans move 28,000CFM and our
make-up air is 32,500CFM so we completely exchange the air roughly once
a minute with a residual positive pressure of about 4-6 ounces. No fuss,
no muss and the booth stays clean.
If you can move enough air, generally a DIY'er can get away with using
nearly any type of motor if you plan on just painting your project.
Years, I mean LOTS of years ago, many small shops just used gangs of
"Box Fans" in one end of the booth and filters in the other. Four high
flow box fans and twelve 3M Hepa furnance filters would still be less
than half the cost of one explosion-proof motor ( less the fan, housing
and frame).
Many industrial suppliers such as Graingers and Dayton offer many
different types of ventilation fans and filters if you really want to go
first class but, for a one time job, you might consider cheaper
alternatives to achieve the same results.
Hope this helped in some way...
Jim Duckett, N708JD
Jimmie Dee's Custom Hot Rod Shop
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder tabs was gear leg fairings & centering ball |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Use a piece of model airplane trailing edge balsa. Duct tape a length to
make your first guess as to the amount of tab needed. Vary the length of
the piece to get more or less rudder trim. When finished, epoxy it in
place, seal with balsa filler.
Or buy a piece from EPM.AV here:
http://www.epm-avcorp.com/trimtab.html
Doug Weiler
RV-4 in paint
> I need to add a rudder tab but hate to mess up the rudder. What are the
> "best" ways to add a rudder tab?
>
> Ross Mickey
> N9PT
>
> >
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| Subject: | Re:All Glass Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Total electric failure? Could you please elaborate as to what caused
it, what your electrical system architecture is, etc?
Jeff Point
RV-6 45 hours
Milwaukee WI
Bob wrote:
>BTW I have had a total electrical failure at night in the pattern, no
>problem flying an RV without instruments. One of the best landings I have
>ever made.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" <rv8tor@lazy8.net>
After many years of airplane ownership, the triennial card has always
said...
"If you still own this aircraft, and your information is correct, you may
ignore this notice. If you do not own this aircraft, or if you have moved,
etc., please correct and return"
Or words to that effect.
If the FAA is going to turn this around, they need to do so in capital
letters, bold type, with red arrows etc., or there will be lots of new jobs
for lots of bureaucrats straightening out the mess.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Subject: RE: RV-List: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass
Certification
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Kind of. Once an aircraft is registered every three years after that the
owner is supposed to be getting a card from the registry asking them if they
still have the aircraft. If the owner does then he/she is supposed to fill
out the card and mail it back in. There is no cost. This is called the
trienneal review.
The registry is trying to get a better handle on how many aircraft are still
really in the system and to reduce the amount of paperwork costs in sending
out ADs only to existing aircraft. This rule has actually been around for a
while but has not been enforced.
Another rule that they are starting to enforce as of June is the requirement
to both print and sign your name on the application for registration. A lot
of people don't see that in the bottom block of this form it asctually says
to beth print and sign, so they just sign it and let it go.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fcle.org>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass
>Certification
>Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:56:26 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fcle.org>
>
>Hey Mike, what's this mean...
>
>"FAA's Aircraft Registration Branch will increase its regulatory
>enforcement program beginning June 1, 2004. An owner who fails to respond
>within 60 days under the Triennial Aircraft Registration Report program
>might see suspension or revocation of his or her Certificate of Aircraft
>Registration and cancellation of the aircraft's "N" number, or
>registration. FAA says the increased enforcement is a safety as well as a
>paperwork issue. "The agency and manufacturers must be able to notify
>aircraft owners to distribute safety and maintenance related information,
>including airworthiness directives," said Mark Lash, manager of the FAA
>Civil Aviation Registry. The registry also helps local law enforcement and
>FSS begin search for a downed or overdue aircraft. FAA says registration
>address changes should be updated within 30 days, and it will post the
>names of those at risk on its website, www.faa.gov."
>
>Do we have to re-register our aircraft every three years (Triennial
>Aircraft Registration Report program)? Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: All Glass Certification
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>
>Steve, You do not get a panel certified for IFR. It is the responsibility
>of the pilot to determine if he/she has the instruments and radios to
>comply
>with the requirements of FAR 91.205(e). The Operating Limitations that
>will
>be issued will either say that the aircraft is restricted to Day VFR only
>or
>that it is restricted to Day VFR unless appropriately equipped for night
>and/or IFR operations. If your inspector or DAR says otherwise then ask
>him
>to look in Order 8130.2E for the proper wording.
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>
> >From: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: All Glass Certification
> >Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:45:07 -0500
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >Has anyone been able to get an all electric, all glass instrument panel
> >certified for IFR or VFR? I really want to avoid putting any round dials
> >on my panel if possible.
> >
> >Also, has anyone used an inspector in the Memphis, TN area other than the
> >one at the local FSDO?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Steve
> >7QB
> >MEM
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fcle.org>
Thanks again Mike.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Subject: RE: RV-List: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass
Certification
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Kind of. Once an aircraft is registered every three years after that the
owner is supposed to be getting a card from the registry asking them if they
still have the aircraft. If the owner does then he/she is supposed to fill
out the card and mail it back in. There is no cost. This is called the
trienneal review.
The registry is trying to get a better handle on how many aircraft are still
really in the system and to reduce the amount of paperwork costs in sending
out ADs only to existing aircraft. This rule has actually been around for a
while but has not been enforced.
Another rule that they are starting to enforce as of June is the requirement
to both print and sign your name on the application for registration. A lot
of people don't see that in the bottom block of this form it asctually says
to beth print and sign, so they just sign it and let it go.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fcle.org>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass
>Certification
>Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:56:26 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fcle.org>
>
>Hey Mike, what's this mean...
>
>"FAA's Aircraft Registration Branch will increase its regulatory
>enforcement program beginning June 1, 2004. An owner who fails to respond
>within 60 days under the Triennial Aircraft Registration Report program
>might see suspension or revocation of his or her Certificate of Aircraft
>Registration and cancellation of the aircraft's "N" number, or
>registration. FAA says the increased enforcement is a safety as well as a
>paperwork issue. "The agency and manufacturers must be able to notify
>aircraft owners to distribute safety and maintenance related information,
>including airworthiness directives," said Mark Lash, manager of the FAA
>Civil Aviation Registry. The registry also helps local law enforcement and
>FSS begin search for a downed or overdue aircraft. FAA says registration
>address changes should be updated within 30 days, and it will post the
>names of those at risk on its website, www.faa.gov."
>
>Do we have to re-register our aircraft every three years (Triennial
>Aircraft Registration Report program)? Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: All Glass Certification
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>
>Steve, You do not get a panel certified for IFR. It is the responsibility
>of the pilot to determine if he/she has the instruments and radios to
>comply
>with the requirements of FAR 91.205(e). The Operating Limitations that
>will
>be issued will either say that the aircraft is restricted to Day VFR only
>or
>that it is restricted to Day VFR unless appropriately equipped for night
>and/or IFR operations. If your inspector or DAR says otherwise then ask
>him
>to look in Order 8130.2E for the proper wording.
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>
> >From: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: All Glass Certification
> >Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:45:07 -0500
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >Has anyone been able to get an all electric, all glass instrument panel
> >certified for IFR or VFR? I really want to avoid putting any round dials
> >on my panel if possible.
> >
> >Also, has anyone used an inspector in the Memphis, TN area other than the
> >one at the local FSDO?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Steve
> >7QB
> >MEM
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re; Electrical failure, was All Glass |
--> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@uniserve.com>
Ok Bob, you have my curiosity aroused, all glass --- Bob's Z -.XX wiring ??
How did the total electrical failure occur?
George in Langley
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
FYI, I have an all glass panel except for fuel gauges, and I had no problem
getting my airworthiness certificate.
-------snip----------------
BTW I have had a total elecrical failure at night in the pattern, no
problem flying an RV without instruments. One of the best landings I have
ever made.
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
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--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
I have a 68DX71P Felix Bi-Cambered prop for sale. It
fits an 0320 with 3/8" prop bolts. This prop is brand
new in the original shipping container. Fred Felix
sells this prop for $950 and I'm asking $600 for mine.
If interested call me or contact me off the list.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
304-872-7938 shop
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now available |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
And I suspect that if you look at the prior page it will say that the chart
is good til June 10, 2004. ( I did this for local charts).
One could view this as 6-10-04. Now if you reverse these "entities", you get
04-10-6.
Now this oddly enough looks like the 04106. Maybe there is some logic there.
Maybe I am trying too hard to make logic be there.
James
[SNIP
> On Fri May 21 13:06:24 2004, Ken Brooks wrote :
> >While the online charts and approach plates may be updated, be
> advised that
> >none of the approach plates I saw had the date printed anywhere
> on them, so
> >if you are ever ramp checked by the FAA, they may not be
> considered legal.
> >This might bear further investigation to see how they would treat one of
> >these online charts.
>
> Just to take a look at the new products being offered by the FAA
> I pulled down
> an approach plate for the ILS-34 into Asheville, NC to have a
> look. I did see
> that along the bottom the notation 'Amdt 23F 04106' and thought that this
> indicated the ammendment version of this particular plate. This
> could be used
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Anyone in Norcross GA?
Linn
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
I agree with your comments, and most of the comments
on the web link you reference. One point of
clarification is that getting the nearest airport
information on our 430s (our club's planes each
have a 430) only requires rotating the fat knob
on the lower right. Perhaps this is a recent
update to their software. I fly with the 430
in this position all the time, and use the map
information on my yoke mounted 196, since I can
program this at home.
>http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/garmin-gps
My main gripe about these devices is the cost
of database updates. We are getting severely
ripped off. The raw data from the FAA is very
cheap. I'd like to see some competition in
formatting and selling this data for the
various GPS and moving map systems.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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