---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/22/04: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: GNS 430 cockpit readability (Dennis Parker) 2. 04:36 AM - Re: (no subject) (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 3. 06:35 AM - FAA re-register aircraft??? (Stuart B McCurdy) 4. 08:43 AM - Another first flight (JVanLaak@aol.com) 5. 09:55 AM - Re: Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now (Hal / Carol Kempthorne) 6. 01:33 PM - Flight instruments and lighting for sale (Tom Turnbull) 7. 02:21 PM - RPM "Wandering" (John) 8. 02:51 PM - Re: RPM "Wandering" (Harvey Sigmon) 9. 03:00 PM - Re: Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now available (Pete & Melanie Hudes) 10. 03:04 PM - First Flight, RV-7 (Pat Hatch) 11. 04:36 PM - Re: First Flight, RV-7 (Larry Bowen) 12. 05:25 PM - Re: First Flight, RV-7 (Lenleg@aol.com) 13. 07:00 PM - Re: First Flight, RV-7 (Charles Rowbotham) 14. 07:01 PM - Re: Another first flight (Charles Rowbotham) 15. 08:56 PM - RV-List One more -4 (smoothweasel@juno.com) 16. 09:00 PM - Fuel Pump (Vincent Welch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:27 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: GNS 430 cockpit readability From: "Dennis Parker" --> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis Parker" That's an interesting observation as I have just read a very detailed review of the 430 against the CNX80 where the CNX80 is rated well above the 430 in terms of usability. I would suggest that it is likely that the two boxes use different user interface usability features and for those who are used to the "Garmin Way" the CNX is probably different. Use it - lose it Regards Dennis Parker 71041 CNX80 Equipped Do not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Furey Subject: Re: RV-List: GNS 430 cockpit readability --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" I've had the 430 in my 6A for two years and love it. No problem with readability in any condition. Like any box of this magnitude it takes some dedication to learning how it functions but with most Garmin stuff it is straight forward and logical. For what it's worth, I work for a flight training firm that sees all of the many boxes out there and it is their firm belief that the 430/530 is the best package available and that the CNX80 is an absolute nightmare to operate. This is coming from the "techie guys" who love new boxes. As to whether an IFR box is worth it? That's a personal call. It is true that most of your flying will be VFR and you pay a very big premium to make your plane IFR. John Furey 2nd RV6A IFR Equipped == == == == ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:17 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: (no subject) From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Yes Lin. Right next door. Mike Stewart 678.571.9319. Headin for airport. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters Subject: RV-List: (no subject) --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Anyone in Norcross GA? Linn == == == == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:02 AM PST US From: Stuart B McCurdy Subject: RV-List: FAA re-register aircraft??? --> RV-List message posted by: Stuart B McCurdy Mike, I just received the Triennial Aircraft Registration Report on my RV-3. As John Huft states, it says "Complete and return this form ONLY if the information provided on the reverse is incorrect." Also, there is no indication you must print and sign, it just has a block for Cancellation and a block for Address Change, both of which simply say Signature at bottom. Now we hear that if you don't send it in your registration might be withdraw. Is this FAA Doublespeak??? What gives???? Stu McCurdy Time: 04:22:25 PM PST US From: "John Huft" Subject: RE: RV-List: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification --> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" After many years of airplane ownership, the triennial card has always said... "If you still own this aircraft, and your information is correct, you may ignore this notice. If you do not own this aircraft, or if you have moved, etc., please correct and return" Or words to that effect. If the FAA is going to turn this around, they need to do so in capital letters, bold type, with red arrows etc., or there will be lots of new jobs for lots of bureaucrats straightening out the mess. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass Certification --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" Kind of. Once an aircraft is registered every three years after that the owner is supposed to be getting a card from the registry asking them if they still have the aircraft. If the owner does then he/she is supposed to fill out the card and mail it back in. There is no cost. This is called the trienneal review. The registry is trying to get a better handle on how many aircraft are still really in the system and to reduce the amount of paperwork costs in sending out ADs only to existing aircraft. This rule has actually been around for a while but has not been enforced. Another rule that they are starting to enforce as of June is the requirement to both print and sign your name on the application for registration. A lot of people don't see that in the bottom block of this form it asctually says to beth print and sign, so they just sign it and let it go. Mike Robertson >>From: "Rabaut, Chuck" >>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >>To: >>Subject: RV-List: FAA re-register aircraft??? was: All Glass >>Certification >>Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:56:26 -0700 >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" >> >>Hey Mike, what's this mean... >> >>"FAA's Aircraft Registration Branch will increase its regulatory >>enforcement program beginning June 1, 2004. An owner who fails to respond >>within 60 days under the Triennial Aircraft Registration Report program >>might see suspension or revocation of his or her Certificate of Aircraft >>Registration and cancellation of the aircraft's "N" number, or >>registration. FAA says the increased enforcement is a safety as well as a >>paperwork issue. "The agency and manufacturers must be able to notify >>aircraft owners to distribute safety and maintenance related information, >>including airworthiness directives," said Mark Lash, manager of the FAA >>Civil Aviation Registry. The registry also helps local law enforcement and >>FSS begin search for a downed or overdue aircraft. FAA says registration >>address changes should be updated within 30 days, and it will post the >>names of those at risk on its website, www.faa.gov." >> >>Do we have to re-register our aircraft every three years (Triennial >>Aircraft Registration Report program)? Thanks, >> >> Chuck > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:12 AM PST US From: JVanLaak@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Another first flight --> RV-List message posted by: JVanLaak@aol.com Another RV-6A takes to the air!! Congratulations go to Dick Reynolds of Norfolk VA for the first flight of his RV-6A non-QB. I had the pleasure of making the first flight for him this morning from Hampton Roads Executive airport, and the plane is nearly flawless but for the inevitable high oil temps. I may be jumping the gun to announce it before he gets the chance, but he would never brag on the beautiful workmanship and superb IFR systems, so I need to do that for him. The plane is another great example of Van's magic. Congrats Dick and thank you for the honor of the first flight. Jim Van Laak RV-6 N79RL ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:23 AM PST US From: Hal / Carol Kempthorne available Subject: RE: RV-List: Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now available --> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne available My freshly printed PRB GPS RWY 19 (Paso Robles, CA) shows 03359. Must be the 9th of Zumly 2103? hal do not archive At 08:01 PM 5/21/2004, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > >And I suspect that if you look at the prior page it will say that the chart >is good til June 10, 2004. ( I did this for local charts). > >One could view this as 6-10-04. Now if you reverse these "entities", you get >04-10-6. > >Now this oddly enough looks like the 04106. Maybe there is some logic there. >Maybe I am trying too hard to make logic be there. > >James > > >[SNIP > > > On Fri May 21 13:06:24 2004, Ken Brooks wrote : > > >While the online charts and approach plates may be updated, be > > advised that > > >none of the approach plates I saw had the date printed anywhere > > on them, so > > >if you are ever ramp checked by the FAA, they may not be > > considered legal. > > >This might bear further investigation to see how they would treat one of > > >these online charts. > > > > Just to take a look at the new products being offered by the FAA > > I pulled down > > an approach plate for the ILS-34 into Asheville, NC to have a > > look. I did see > > that along the bottom the notation 'Amdt 23F 04106' and thought that this > > indicated the ammendment version of this particular plate. This > > could be used > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:26 PM PST US From: "Tom Turnbull" Subject: RV-List: Flight instruments and lighting for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Turnbull" Well due to changes in my panel layout I am selling the following: Van's Airspeed Indicator IF UMA-16-310-261D RV 7/8 unlighted MPH outer/KTS innner Van's Vertical Speed Indicator IF BC-3 0-3000 F/M Van's Altimeter BG-3B Bar scale inches Turn Coordinator ACS P/N 1394T100 Electric I also have the UMA Bezel lights (green) for these guages and the 14V power inverter to run them. All the gauges are unlighted. These are all 3 1/8 new, never out of the boxes, purchased in October and November 2003. I'm going with an EFIS system and won't need these. Interested parties email me. Thanks Tom Turnbull RV-7A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:06 PM PST US From: "John" Subject: RV-List: RPM "Wandering" 0.3 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From: contains numbers mixed in with letters --> RV-List message posted by: "John" My Lycoming O-320 runs strong and trouble free...no problems....but there is one oddity that keeps nagging at me...since I installed a digital tachometer I can see that the engine RPM wanders up and down 20 to 30 RPM with no throttle, mixture, or altitude/attitude change...I firmly locked the throttle and mixture so they couldn't move and the rather slow movement still continued...using dual electronic ignition system....the drift in RPM occurs over a four or five minute period typically. This doesn't seem to hurt anything but I keep wondering why? Your thoughts? John ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:30 PM PST US From: "Harvey Sigmon" Subject: Re: RV-List: RPM "Wandering" --> RV-List message posted by: "Harvey Sigmon" John: Just an idea when installing Electronic International with magnetos, EI said to add another isolation resistor in series with initial resistor to dampen out fluctuation. Just one idea. Harvey Sigmon RV-6A N602RV flying ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" Subject: RV-List: RPM "Wandering" > --> RV-List message posted by: "John" > > My Lycoming O-320 runs strong and trouble free...no problems....but there is > one oddity that keeps nagging at me...since I installed a digital tachometer > I can see that the engine RPM wanders up and down 20 to 30 RPM with no > throttle, mixture, or altitude/attitude change...I firmly locked the > throttle and mixture so they couldn't move and the rather slow movement > still continued...using dual electronic ignition system....the drift in RPM > occurs over a four or five minute period typically. > > > This doesn't seem to hurt anything but I keep wondering why? Your thoughts? > > John > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:32 PM PST US From: Pete & Melanie Hudes Subject: Re: RV-List: Terminal procedures and airport diagrams now available --> RV-List message posted by: Pete & Melanie Hudes The number refers to the Julian date. 1 is January 1. 03359 in this case is December 25, 2003. Pete Hudes Hal / Carol Kempthorne available wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Hal / Carol Kempthorne available > >My freshly printed PRB GPS RWY 19 (Paso Robles, CA) shows 03359. Must be >the 9th of Zumly 2103? > >hal >do not archive >At 08:01 PM 5/21/2004, you wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" >> >>And I suspect that if you look at the prior page it will say that the chart >>is good til June 10, 2004. ( I did this for local charts). >> >>One could view this as 6-10-04. Now if you reverse these "entities", you get >>04-10-6. >> >>Now this oddly enough looks like the 04106. Maybe there is some logic there. >>Maybe I am trying too hard to make logic be there. >> >>James >> >> >>[SNIP >> >> >> >>>On Fri May 21 13:06:24 2004, Ken Brooks wrote : >>> >>> >>>>While the online charts and approach plates may be updated, be >>>> >>>> >>>advised that >>> >>> >>>>none of the approach plates I saw had the date printed anywhere >>>> >>>> >>>on them, so >>> >>> >>>>if you are ever ramp checked by the FAA, they may not be >>>> >>>> >>>considered legal. >>> >>> >>>>This might bear further investigation to see how they would treat one of >>>>these online charts. >>>> >>>> >>>Just to take a look at the new products being offered by the FAA >>>I pulled down >>>an approach plate for the ILS-34 into Asheville, NC to have a >>>look. I did see >>>that along the bottom the notation 'Amdt 23F 04106' and thought that this >>>indicated the ammendment version of this particular plate. This >>>could be used >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:14 PM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: RV-List: First Flight, RV-7 --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Yep, another -7 got airborne today. This also relates to the current thread on Positech oil coolers because I have the large one mounted on one of Bart's IO-360-M1B6 engines with Bendix fuel injection and an MT 3-bladed prop. So I think I can confirm that indeed the newer Positechs seem to work just fine. For comparison, I have the large Stewart-Warner in my -6 and I noted a very similar performance with the Positech in the -7. More details and pictures available on my web page at: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-pathatch Go to RV-7 Project, First Flight (last page). This is my third "first flight" and just as big a thrill as the first one. What a great little airplane. Pat Hatch ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:45 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: First Flight, RV-7 --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Congrats Pat!! - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Hatch [mailto:pat_hatch@msn.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 5:59 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: First Flight, RV-7 > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" > > Yep, another -7 got airborne today. This also relates to the > current thread on Positech oil coolers because I have the > large one mounted on one of Bart's IO-360-M1B6 engines with > Bendix fuel injection and an MT 3-bladed prop. So I think I > can confirm that indeed the newer Positechs seem to work just > fine. For comparison, I have the large Stewart-Warner in my > -6 and I noted a very similar performance with the Positech in the -7. > > More details and pictures available on my web page at: > > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-pathatch > > Go to RV-7 Project, First Flight (last page). > > This is my third "first flight" and just as big a thrill as > the first one. What a great little airplane. > > Pat Hatch ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:07 PM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight, RV-7 --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com In a message dated 5/22/2004 6:04:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pat_hatch@msn.com writes: This is my third "first flight" and just as big a thrill as the first one. What a great little airplane. Pat Hatch Congrats Pat ... didn't realize you had gotten so far along on the project ... but then again ... it is your job now !!! Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, NC N910LL 245 hrs ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:34 PM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: First Flight, RV-7 --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Pat, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE - Again !!!! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "Pat Hatch" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: First Flight, RV-7 >Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:59:04 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" > >Yep, another -7 got airborne today. This also relates to the current thread >on Positech oil coolers because I have the large one mounted on one of >Bart's IO-360-M1B6 engines with Bendix fuel injection and an MT 3-bladed >prop. So I think I can confirm that indeed the newer Positechs seem to >work just fine. For comparison, I have the large Stewart-Warner in my -6 >and I noted a very similar performance with the Positech in the -7. > >More details and pictures available on my web page at: > >http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-pathatch > >Go to RV-7 Project, First Flight (last page). > >This is my third "first flight" and just as big a thrill as the first one. >What a great little airplane. > >Pat Hatch > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:01 PM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: Another first flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Dick, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: JVanLaak@aol.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Another first flight >Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:36:32 EDT > >--> RV-List message posted by: JVanLaak@aol.com > >Another RV-6A takes to the air!! > >Congratulations go to Dick Reynolds of Norfolk VA for the first flight of >his >RV-6A non-QB. I had the pleasure of making the first flight for him this >morning from Hampton Roads Executive airport, and the plane is nearly >flawless >but for the inevitable high oil temps. I may be jumping the gun to >announce it >before he gets the chance, but he would never brag on the beautiful >workmanship and superb IFR systems, so I need to do that for him. > >The plane is another great example of Van's magic. > >Congrats Dick and thank you for the honor of the first flight. > >Jim Van Laak >RV-6 N79RL > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:56 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: RV-List One more -4 From: smoothweasel@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com Hey guys, The DAR came out this morning and did the "inspection". Everything went just great. He was finished around 11:30am ssssooooooooooo.........I was in the air at 11:31am!!!! Everything was great. This was my first RV and MAN!!!! these airplanes are COOL!!!! I won't to take this time to thank each one of you for all your thoughts and for Matt. and this List. There was a whole lot of information that was very useful on this List while I was building. I have a pic. of it if any one is interested I will send it off line as an attachment. Every one of you is welcome to come visit our place anytime you won't The strip is 2400' grass. Come on over and see us. Joel "Weasel" Graber -4 and FLYING!!!!! Brooksville MS 662 574 5210 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:09 PM PST US From: "Vincent Welch" Subject: RV-List: Fuel Pump --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" There is a vent connection on the mechanical fuel pump that is to be vented overboard. I have been told that one of the failure modes of the mechanical pump is a ruptured diaphram which requires that the fuel be vented. If the diaphram ruptures and I then turn the electric pump on, does this mean that the electric pump will dump all of the fuel overboard through the mechanical pump vent? 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