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1. 05:12 AM - Re: Bending SS hinge pins (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
2. 05:21 AM - I gotta Rocket!!!! (Doug Rozendaal)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: Wing Skin Install question (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
4. 05:43 AM - Re: Bending SS hinge pins (Alex Peterson)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: when problems are problems, and when they're not (Mike Mckenna)
6. 07:11 AM - Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! (Denis Walsh)
7. 08:29 AM - Re: RV-4 elevator to horiz stab fitting problem (Moore, Warren)
8. 08:46 AM - Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! (Michael Schipper)
9. 09:18 AM - Re: when problems are problems, and when they're not (Brian Kraut)
10. 10:04 AM - Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! (Rabaut, Chuck)
11. 10:22 AM - Dynon Pitot (Wheeler North)
12. 10:51 AM - Are parts/accessories from Van's Really Cheaper? (Frederick Oldenburg)
13. 11:36 AM - Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! (Michael Schipper)
14. 11:44 AM - Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! (Doug Rozendaal)
15. 11:46 AM - Re: when problems are problems, and when they're not (Jeff Cours)
16. 11:53 AM - Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! (Jim Sears)
17. 12:53 PM - Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! (JOHN STARN)
18. 01:59 PM - Re: [RV10] Re: Landing Lights (Bill VonDane)
19. 02:01 PM - Electronic Ignition Problem? (Andy Karmy)
20. 03:14 PM - Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! (Tom Gummo)
21. 03:34 PM - Party time / Dishwasher parts cleaning for acid etch & alodine (Charlie England)
22. 03:35 PM - Party time / Dishwasher parts cleaning for acid etch & alodine (Charlie England)
23. 03:46 PM - Re: Party time / Dishwasher parts cleaning for acid etch (Art Glaser)
24. 04:04 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition Problem? (Pat Hatch)
25. 04:07 PM - Re: Are parts/accessories from Van's Really Cheaper? (LarryRobertHelming)
26. 04:13 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition Problem? (LarryRobertHelming)
27. 04:27 PM - Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! (Mike Robertson)
28. 04:52 PM - Sliding Canopy Instruction Question? (Bobby Hester)
29. 05:10 PM - unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com (Gert)
30. 05:33 PM - Interesting LED position lights on Ebay (Bill Dube)
31. 07:04 PM - Re: RV7 Vibration (PSPRV6A@aol.com (by way of Matt Dralle)
32. 07:06 PM - Re: Interesting LED position lights on Ebay (Bill VonDane)
33. 07:09 PM - Aluminum (Dave & Darlene)
34. 07:32 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition Problem? (James E. Clark)
35. 07:41 PM - Links update (Chris W)
36. 07:51 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition Problem? (Kyle Boatright)
37. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: RV7 Vibration (Michael McGee)
38. 08:39 PM - Re: Interesting LED position lights on Ebay (Ron Walker)
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| Subject: | Re: Bending SS hinge pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 5/24/04 2:11:23 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Fiveonepw@aol.com writes:
>
> Hi Larry-
>
> I bent mine at 90 degrees, about 3/4" long and they still pull easily- I did
>
> it like this so the bent end can be inserted into a hole in a little piece
> of
> angle bonded to the inside of the skin with VHB tape to secure the pin. Has
>
> worked well so far, but I'd definately make them as long as practical- mine
> only come through the firewall about 7". I wish I'd made them at least 5 or
> 6
> inches longer, maybe more...
>
> From The PossumWorks in TN
> Mark -6A, flying 75 hrs
>
>
>
I found that some old motorcycle clutch or brake cables were exactly the
right size for bringing the hinge pins into the cockpit and anchoring them to the
side of the second bulkhead (F-902). I bent the end down about 1 1/2 inches,
then in at a slight forward angle about 3/8 inch, and slip it into a hole in
the bulkhead. That way there are no sharp ends sticking out, and the pin is
locked from coming back out. The hole is protected by a small piece of hard
stainless steel to keep from scratching the bulkhead. I clamped the cable with
2
6-32 screws through a .032 1/2 inch wide clamp bent around a drill bit in a
vise. Where it penetrates the firewall, another clamp was riveted through the
skin and firewall, and filled with Pro-seal. The cable jacket takes quite a
lot of force and needs to be anchored well.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Went to the airport for final assy yesterday!)
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| Subject: | I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
All, and especially Gummi Bear,
After years of whining and crying on this list I finally got a Rocket!
Yippee!
Get in that Bird of yours Gummi Bear and get out here and we will rip up the
skies and find out who can fly ;-)
Mark Fredrick is now the proud owner of my SNB-4 (Twin Beech in laymans
Language) and I have the "Check Six" Rocket. I don't know what the plan is
for it right now, I've got a freind who wants to buy it.
What an airplane!
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
Rocketeer!
P.S. Now I have to come up with a new reason to hate Tom Gummo ;-)
(suggestions accepted)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Skin Install question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 5/23/04 3:08:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
jdnewsum@qwest.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "J D Newsum" <jdnewsum@qwest.net>
>
> Looking for advice on installing the top outboard wing skin on a RV6 QB -
> specifically where the top wing skin (W-603)and the leading edge skin
> (W-601) butt together along the front spar web flange (W-606).
>
> In the George Orndorf QB construction video, he dimples the skin and
> countersinks the wing spar flange. He makes the countersinking the spar
> flange part look easy but this looks tricky to me as the flange is only
> 0.040 thick and only 1/2 wide (not enough to support the width of the
> microstop countersink tool).
>
> The QB construction manual describes a method that calls for dimpling the
> rivet holes in 0.040 spare flange and additionally countersinks the dimple
> in the spar flange to slightly deepen it. (If I am reading the manual
> correctly)
>
> Also, should the edge of the W-603 skin along this rivet line need to be
> rolled so that it lays down flat?
>
> Any recommendations (do's or don'ts) advice would be appreciated.
>
>
I had the same problem. Take a piece of .040 or .062 aluminum about 1 by 3
inches and put a hole (about 1/2 inch) near one end of it. Hold this piece of
aluminum against the spar and countersink the spar through the hole. This
will give you a flat surface for the micro-stop countersink tool.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (At the airport for final assembly)
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| Subject: | Bending SS hinge pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
If you want to bend a tight radius in the pins, a propane torch won't
get it hot enough. Find someone with a oxy-propane (these can be bought
at any hardware store for 25 bucks or so) or an oxy-acetylene torch.
The pin needs to be red, then it will bend easily.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 472 hours
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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| Subject: | when problems are problems, and when they're not |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Mckenna" <mmckenna@bellsouth.net>
"Stress Without Tears", by Tom Rhoads.
http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/catalog/bvpages/php/stress_wotears.php
Mike Mckenna
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Cours
Subject: RV-List: when problems are problems, and when they're not
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <rv-j@moriarti.org>
Can anyone recommend a book on aircraft structural engineering for
people whose eyes glaze over when they see greek letters in equations? I
don't mean an "acceptable repair methods" kind of thing: I'd really like
to be able to visualize the stresses in the airframe, so I can
understand why Van designed it the way he did.
thanks,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
Why not fly that new rocket down to Rebel's Bluff, and show it off to
Les Featherstone? Probably only take a half hour ..... He only had one
rocket show up last year at the first annual rocket and rv fly in.
It was a real winner.
Denis in Denver
On May 25, 2004, at 5:58 AM, Doug Rozendaal wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> All, and especially Gummi Bear,
>
> After years of whining and crying on this list I finally got a Rocket!
> Yippee!
>
> Get in that Bird of yours Gummi Bear and get out here and we will rip
> up the
> skies and find out who can fly ;-)
>
> Mark Fredrick is now the proud owner of my SNB-4 (Twin Beech in
> laymans
> Language) and I have the "Check Six" Rocket. I don't know what the
> plan is
> for it right now, I've got a freind who wants to buy it.
>
> What an airplane!
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
> Rocketeer!
>
> P.S. Now I have to come up with a new reason to hate Tom Gummo ;-)
> (suggestions accepted)
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-4 elevator to horiz stab fitting problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Moore, Warren" <Warren.Moore@TidelandsOil.com>
If I remember correctly, on drawing 5a they give a dimension from the
bearing center to the elevator spar. I set my two bearings to this
dimension and there was four or more turns showing thru the nutplate. I
then attached the elevator to the HS, drilled the center bearing thru the
elevator horn, and then made the elevator tips to match the HS.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Stoffel [mailto:rickstoffel@sbcglobal.net]
Subject: RV-List: RV-4 elevator to horiz stab fitting problem
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Stoffel <rickstoffel@sbcglobal.net>
Hello all,
This has me stumped and I couldn' t find this exact situation in the
archives. . .
When fitting my elevators to the HS Stab, I can only rotate the rod end
bearings about 3-4 times into the nutplates to make everything fit
perfectly. Any more rotations and the elevators begin to move too far
forward and the weighted arm sticks out in front of the Horizontal Stab.
It seems like a longer version of the HEIM 3614M bearing would be the best
choice to solve this but I can't find one (or an equivelant if there is
one). I'm guessing 3-4 rotations into the bearing is not enough, is it?
Thanks,
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
For those of us who have joined the list in the past year, could
someone please explain the apparent lack of love between RV builders
and Rocket builders? Or is this all just in good natured fun?
Mike Schipper
-9a Wings
www.my9a.com
On May 25, 2004, at 9:08 AM, Denis Walsh wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
>
> Why not fly that new rocket down to Rebel's Bluff, and show it off to
> Les Featherstone? Probably only take a half hour ..... He only had one
> rocket show up last year at the first annual rocket and rv fly in.
>
> It was a real winner.
>
> Denis in Denver
> On May 25, 2004, at 5:58 AM, Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>>
>> All, and especially Gummi Bear,
>>
>> After years of whining and crying on this list I finally got a Rocket!
>> Yippee!
>>
>> Get in that Bird of yours Gummi Bear and get out here and we will rip
>> up the
>> skies and find out who can fly ;-)
>>
>> Mark Fredrick is now the proud owner of my SNB-4 (Twin Beech in
>> laymans
>> Language) and I have the "Check Six" Rocket. I don't know what the
>> plan is
>> for it right now, I've got a freind who wants to buy it.
>>
>> What an airplane!
>>
>> Tailwinds,
>> Doug Rozendaal
>> Rocketeer!
>>
>> P.S. Now I have to come up with a new reason to hate Tom Gummo ;-)
>> (suggestions accepted)
>>
>>
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| Subject: | when problems are problems, and when they're not |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Alex Strojnick did a series of three books on low power laminar flow
aircraft design. One of them is "Low Power Laminar Aircraft Structures". I
am traveling now and am not 100% sure on that title. All three books are
good. I hear "Stress Without Tears" is very good also, but do not have that
one yet.
Not directly related to your question, but "Simplified Aircraft Design for
Homebuilders" by Dan Raymer is an excelent design book, fairly low cost, and
doesn't need an engineering degree to understand. www.aircraftdesign.com is
Raymer's web site and has all of the above mentioned books for sale.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Dube
Subject: Re: RV-List: when problems are problems, and when they're not
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
>
>Can anyone recommend a book on aircraft structural engineering for
>people whose eyes glaze over when they see greek letters in equations? I
>don't mean an "acceptable repair methods" kind of thing: I'd really like
>to be able to visualize the stresses in the airframe, so I can
>understand why Van designed it the way he did.
Marks' Mechanical Engineers' Handbook (McGraw-Hill)
Older editions of Marks' are better than newer editions, in my
opinion.
Once you have the basics of beam theory under control, you might
wish to get a demo copy of ANSYS. http://www.ansys.com/ansys/designspace.htm
You can then see how the stresses actually distribute. You will
discover that, near the ends, beams don't behave like anything resembling
beam theory.
What you will come to realize, is that mechanical (structural)
engineering is not nearly as neat and tidy as electrical engineering is.
Nearly every project is a tangled ball of twine without a straightforward
solution. Unlike electrical components, mechanical components often can't
be modeled with simple equations. Electrical engineers moan when faced with
transmission line or antenna design because every component effects every
other component in a non-linear manner. These non-linear problems are
typical for mechanical engineers. You can calculate the voltage and current
with great accuracy in every part of a very complex circuit, but you can
only take an educated guess as to the stress distribution in a crankshaft.
Even with the best stress analysis software, you know the answer is
probably no better than plus or minus 10%.
Unlike electrical engineers, mechanical engineers are not upset
when they cannot have an exact solution. They are not upset with what they
know is a crappy solution, as long as they are confident that the solution
is within safe bounds and probably won't fail. They are comfortable with a
percentage of uncertainty, because they have no choice.
Since you are working on a mechanical project, you must cultivate
a more relaxed attitude towards an unavoidable degree of uncertainty.
Bill Dube'
I have a degree in mechanical engineering, and very nearly a degree in
electrical engineering, so I am uniquely qualified to understand your
dilemma. I can take the persecutive of either (or both) type of engineer.
Check out my LED position lights at
<http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm>
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| Subject: | I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fresnosheriff.org>
Well Mike, you have to realize...
"They" ARE, better than "Us" (speaking as an RV-4 guy and wishin' I had a Rocket,
but not the added expense).
... and what are you referring to as "good natured fun" ? :-}
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Schipper
Subject: Re: RV-List: I gotta Rocket!!!!
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
For those of us who have joined the list in the past year, could
someone please explain the apparent lack of love between RV builders
and Rocket builders? Or is this all just in good natured fun?
Mike Schipper
-9a Wings
www.my9a.com
On May 25, 2004, at 9:08 AM, Denis Walsh wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
>
> Why not fly that new rocket down to Rebel's Bluff, and show it off to
> Les Featherstone? Probably only take a half hour ..... He only had one
> rocket show up last year at the first annual rocket and rv fly in.
>
> It was a real winner.
>
> Denis in Denver
> On May 25, 2004, at 5:58 AM, Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>>
>> All, and especially Gummi Bear,
>>
>> After years of whining and crying on this list I finally got a Rocket!
>> Yippee!
>>
>> Get in that Bird of yours Gummi Bear and get out here and we will rip
>> up the
>> skies and find out who can fly ;-)
>>
>> Mark Fredrick is now the proud owner of my SNB-4 (Twin Beech in
>> laymans
>> Language) and I have the "Check Six" Rocket. I don't know what the
>> plan is
>> for it right now, I've got a freind who wants to buy it.
>>
>> What an airplane!
>>
>> Tailwinds,
>> Doug Rozendaal
>> Rocketeer!
>>
>> P.S. Now I have to come up with a new reason to hate Tom Gummo ;-)
>> (suggestions accepted)
>>
>>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
I installed mine in the right wing of a 6 right in the middle of the
inspection panel.
There is a rib that goes through there so I was able to use the plate
supplied by Gretz to catch the spar flange and the rib flange. It also
allows one to modify the inspection cover rather than the lower wing skin.
I did have to bend some joggles in the plate to get it to lay behind the
flanges with nut plates, but the center mount area lays flat against the
inspection panel.
All is installed with flush screws so it comes out easily to get into the
wing, or to remove completely.
W
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| Subject: | Are parts/accessories from Van's Really Cheaper? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
Ok...in addition a few items I have screwed up on, I've now placed a few orders
from Van's for misc items (rivets, proseal, etc.)
I've seen posts that seem to espouse that Van's is cheaper than most, but if you
factor in the "Handling Charge" that Van's seems to tack on to every order (in
addition to shipping) I'm not so sure.
When I order from Avery, Cleveland, the Yard, etc. I don't seem to get these addtional
"handling" charges, just the regular shipping charges.
I know that on some of the bigger ticket items this would not be as big of an issue.
I guess that paying $5.00 "handling charge" on a $9.00 order, in addition
to shipping, just does not sit well with me. That is 55%!
I know Van's is a for-profit business and all...am I out of line in thinking that
this practice is somewhat unreasonable?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Fred Oldenburg
RV-7A - Empennage
http://www.rv.oldsack.com
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| Subject: | Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
Ah, airplane envy. I get that every time I meet someone who actually
gets to FLY his airplane. :-)
Mike Schipper
-9a Wings
www.my9a.com
On May 25, 2004, at 12:00 PM, Rabaut, Chuck wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck"
> <Chuck.Rabaut@fresnosheriff.org>
>
> Well Mike, you have to realize...
>
> "They" ARE, better than "Us" (speaking as an RV-4 guy and wishin' I
> had a Rocket, but not the added expense).
> ... and what are you referring to as "good natured fun" ? :-}
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Schipper
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: I gotta Rocket!!!!
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Michael Schipper
> <mike@learningplanet.com>
>
> For those of us who have joined the list in the past year, could
> someone please explain the apparent lack of love between RV builders
> and Rocket builders? Or is this all just in good natured fun?
>
> Mike Schipper
> -9a Wings
> www.my9a.com
>
>
> On May 25, 2004, at 9:08 AM, Denis Walsh wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
>>
>> Why not fly that new rocket down to Rebel's Bluff, and show it off to
>> Les Featherstone? Probably only take a half hour ..... He only had
>> one
>> rocket show up last year at the first annual rocket and rv fly in.
>>
>> It was a real winner.
>>
>> Denis in Denver
>> On May 25, 2004, at 5:58 AM, Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal"
>>> <dougr@petroblend.com>
>>>
>>> All, and especially Gummi Bear,
>>>
>>> After years of whining and crying on this list I finally got a
>>> Rocket!
>>> Yippee!
>>>
>>> Get in that Bird of yours Gummi Bear and get out here and we will rip
>>> up the
>>> skies and find out who can fly ;-)
>>>
>>> Mark Fredrick is now the proud owner of my SNB-4 (Twin Beech in
>>> laymans
>>> Language) and I have the "Check Six" Rocket. I don't know what the
>>> plan is
>>> for it right now, I've got a freind who wants to buy it.
>>>
>>> What an airplane!
>>>
>>> Tailwinds,
>>> Doug Rozendaal
>>> Rocketeer!
>>>
>>> P.S. Now I have to come up with a new reason to hate Tom Gummo ;-)
>>> (suggestions accepted)
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
For those of us who have joined the list in the past year, could
someone please explain the apparent lack of love between RV builders
and Rocket builders? Or is this all just in good natured fun?
Mike Schipper
It is All in good fun!
Tom Gummo hates me because I fly Warbirds and I hate him because he has a
Rocket. I gotta Rocket now so I have to have a new reason to hate him.
Tailwinds,
Doug "I Gotta Rocket" Rozendaal
John Starn offered this list of good reasons offline but it is worth
sharing:
#1: You fly very low & fast (seat pucker time) over the desert. Look up to
find out Gummibears location only to see him flash by at half your
altitude.
#2: How many "Top Gun" plaques he's earned. (Too many to count. One from
each Sq. on the wall. duplicates are in a box somewhere)
#3: How many blades does your prop have ?
If it's not five or more, hes gotcha again.
#4: He claims the jack rabbits really can jump 25' vertically, that's how he
got the fir in the wheel pants.
#5: On top of it all he happens to be really GREAT guy.
#6: I had to send this off-list because he wouldn't want me to brag on him.
Please advise if you need more. 8*) KABONG
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| Subject: | Re: when problems are problems, and when they're not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <rv-j@moriarti.org>
Thanks for the info, everyone -- I'm developing quite a reading list!
Yesterday, I was trying to put a little humor in my message and I think
I might've given the wrong impression. I didn't mean to come across as
complaining that I screw up too often. Actually, there are a couple
things going on here.
The first is building.
One reason I'm building an airplane because I like to build things. I
try not to make mistakes, but I'm a lot more used to working in wood
than aluminum, so once in a while a mistake's going to happen. Also,
every once in a great while I might come across a part that slipped in
tooling or otherwise looks a little odd. When I see a mistake, or
there's a strange looking part, I call Van's, find out whether or not
it's a problem, and if it is, I replace the part. Some mistakes, like
punching an extra hole in a skin, aren't structural problems. Since I'm
not out to build a show plane, in that case I probably wouldn't be
inclined to order a new skin. On the other hand, if it's a structural or
longevity issue, I have no qualms about replacing the part.
At the building level, I'm just fine working with Vans' recommendations
and AC43-13.
The second level is learning.
Another reason I'm building an airplane is to learn how an airplane goes
together -- and why. That's the level that's pushing me towards the
books. When I got my pilots license, I had to learn the basics of how a
pitot-static system works, how the fuel system works, etc. Now that I'm
building a plane, I want to know the basics of how the structure works.
Also, there are some really fundamental questions that've been nagging
me, like why stress concentrates. What, mechanically, is going on at a
stress riser? And how is it related to work hardening? You know, the
kinds of questions you think about when you're deburring the thousandth
hole of the day. :-)
So, yeah, I probably should just tune the radio to a game and get on
with building, but I'll probably wind up ordering some books and slowly
working my way through them as I build.
Anyway, thanks again for the recommendations!
- Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
> Well Mike, you have to realize...
>
> "They" ARE, better than "Us" (speaking as an RV-4 guy and wishin' I had a
Rocket, but not the added expense).
> ... and what are you referring to as "good natured fun" ? :-}
> Chuck
Well, I like to think that they just think they're better than us. :-)
Most likely, it's just that they have more money to throw at their projects,
whether they do them or have them done. I don't think any of us have
anything to be ashamed of. :-)
Jim in KY
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
GEE THANKS Doug. Now ya went and done it. BUT beware there are those on the
lists that think there is no room for humor. Most of my posts are either to
share what we learned in building N561FS or to share in the fun of getting
to know all those on the lists. Most times I have my tongue shoved so far
into my cheek that it wraps around my eye teeth so I can't see what I'm
saying. IMNSHO HRII is just another form of an RV. I like them all and the
people who build/fly them. Our hanger is always open. KABONG Do Not
Archive 8*)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
>
> For those of us who have joined the list in the past year, could
> someone please explain the apparent lack of love between RV builders
> and Rocket builders? Or is this all just in good natured fun?
>
> Mike Schipper
>
>
> It is All in good fun!
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| Subject: | Re: [RV10] Re: Landing Lights |
rv8list@yahoogroups.com, RV10@yahoogroups.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Should be at least 25% brighter than my Halogens, probably more, quite a but
less heat, and half the current draw... I should know more in a week or
two...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Lauritsen" <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
Subject: [RV10] Re: Landing Lights
How does the light output and heat compare to your originals?
Thanks,
Mike
On 05/24 10:09, Bill VonDane wrote:
> I will have HID's (25w HID / Metal Halide lamps) available soon that
> will fit in the same space my current Halogen lamps...
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| Subject: | Electronic Ignition Problem? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
Let me start with my base assumption. I was under the impression that
electronic ignition worked better than mags under all conditions. Less
or no RPM drop at mag check time, better burn, quicker start, etc etc
etc. So far so good?
What I see:
At 1800 rpm doing mag check, both the electronic ign and the mag give
equal drops in RPM. In flight at hi-cruise if I switch off the mag I
get VERY rough running, with backfire pop of unburned fuel until I
switch the mag back on. Turning off the electronic ign the mag works
fine by itself with a slight RPM drop. What's going on here?
My setup: 0-320-D2A Carb based, 1 Slick, 1 Jeff Rose Electro-Air with
mag hole sensor
Conditions of test:
2550 RPM
26.0 MAP
60 OAT
107 Carb Temp
350 CHT
1366 EGT
18 deg Advance on Electronic ign
10.7 GPH
3500FT ALT
- Andy Karmy
RV9A Seattle WA
andy@karmy.com
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| Subject: | Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Doug,
Good for you. Enjoy. See Mike - we can get along. :-)
BTW, do you know how much money I had to pay Jack (KABONG) to post those
things about me.
As about the points Jack listed below:
1: As for flying low, I was trained in the military. 100'AGL and below
at 500+ KIAS was normal in the proper training area. FUN TOO.
2: All the plaques are on the wall, it is only certificates that are in
the box.
3: I got a good deal on a four blade MT prop but it does give the plane a
more WW-II look.
4: If a jackrabbit jumped 25 feet, I would fly under him.
5: What can I say, this line cost me the most.
6: Jack lies.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
"GummiBear"
Wild Weasel #1753
Major, USAF Retired
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: I gotta Rocket!!!!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
>
> For those of us who have joined the list in the past year, could
> someone please explain the apparent lack of love between RV builders
> and Rocket builders? Or is this all just in good natured fun?
>
> Mike Schipper
>
>
> It is All in good fun!
>
> Tom Gummo hates me because I fly Warbirds and I hate him because he has a
> Rocket. I gotta Rocket now so I have to have a new reason to hate him.
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug "I Gotta Rocket" Rozendaal
>
> John Starn offered this list of good reasons offline but it is worth
> sharing:
>
> #1: You fly very low & fast (seat pucker time) over the desert. Look up to
> find out Gummibears location only to see him flash by at half your
> altitude.
>
> #2: How many "Top Gun" plaques he's earned. (Too many to count. One from
> each Sq. on the wall. duplicates are in a box somewhere)
>
> #3: How many blades does your prop have ?
> If it's not five or more, hes gotcha again.
>
> #4: He claims the jack rabbits really can jump 25' vertically, that's how
he
> got the fir in the wheel pants.
>
> #5: On top of it all he happens to be really GREAT guy.
>
> #6: I had to send this off-list because he wouldn't want me to brag on
him.
>
> Please advise if you need more. 8*) KABONG
>
>
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| Subject: | Party time / Dishwasher parts cleaning for acid etch & alodine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
The following may be such common knowledge that no one has bothered to
talk about it, but I found nothing in the archives. I hope some new guy
finds the info useful.
I remember someone on some list somewhere joking about sneaking parts
into the dishwasher for cleaning before etch/alodine. After a couple of
tiring & inconsistently effective sessions with the Dawn dishwashing
detergent & a scotchbrite pad, I decided to try it. With my wife's
blessing I loaded up the family dishwasher with ribs (even the -7's main
wing ribs fit), stiffeners, etc. & threw in some fuel tank plumbing
parts for good measure. Cleaning chemical was standard Electro Sol
dishwashing detergent.
In a word, Awesome! No muss, no fuss, just load up anything that will
fit & don your rubber gloves to unload the washer when it's finished
doing its thing. If you could fit the whole plane in there, you could
alodine & have a perfect gold finish with no blotches, runs, or missed
spots, & if you care for gold, a virtually weightless paint job to boot.
If anyone knows of a downside to this, please speak up now.
(Obviously, lack of support or at least indifference from your spouse is
one downside, but I'm talking a/c safety issues, not domestic
tranquility issues.)
The only side effect I noticed was that one pretty blue a/c quality nut
for the tank plumbing came out looking like it went in, and another lost
almost all its 'blue'. (?)
Charlie
Getting 'tanked' & getting ready to serve BBQ on June 5 here at Slobovia
Outernational in Mississippi. Ya'll come.
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| Subject: | Party time / Dishwasher parts cleaning for acid etch & alodine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
The following may be such common knowledge that no one has bothered to
talk about it, but I found nothing in the archives. I hope some new guy
finds the info useful.
I remember someone on some list somewhere joking about sneaking parts
into the dishwasher for cleaning before etch/alodine. After a couple of
tiring & inconsistently effective sessions with the Dawn dishwashing
detergent & a scotchbrite pad, I decided to try it. With my wife's
blessing I loaded up the family dishwasher with ribs (even the -7's main
wing ribs fit), stiffeners, etc. & threw in some fuel tank plumbing
parts for good measure. Cleaning chemical was standard Electro Sol
dishwashing detergent.
In a word, Awesome! No muss, no fuss, just load up anything that will
fit & don your rubber gloves to unload the washer when it's finished
doing its thing. If you could fit the whole plane in there, you could
alodine & have a perfect gold finish with no blotches, runs, or missed
spots, & if you care for gold, a virtually weightless paint job to boot.
If anyone knows of a downside to this, please speak up now.
(Obviously, lack of support or at least indifference from your spouse is
one downside, but I'm talking a/c safety issues, not domestic
tranquility issues.)
The only side effect I noticed was that one pretty blue a/c quality nut
for the tank plumbing came out looking like it went in, and another lost
almost all its 'blue'. (?)
Charlie
Getting 'tanked' & getting ready to serve BBQ on June 5 here at Slobovia
Outernational in Mississippi. Ya'll come.
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| Subject: | Re: Party time / Dishwasher parts cleaning for acid etch |
& alodine
--> RV-List message posted by: Art Glaser <airplane@megsinet.net>
I cleaned my C-85 in the dishwasher about 20 years ago and mentioned it
on this list. I might be the guy you were referring to. The grease
inside an engine is no worse and possibly less in quantity than that on
dishes. Every nook and cranny comes out clean.
Art Glaser
Charlie England wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>The following may be such common knowledge that no one has bothered to
>talk about it, but I found nothing in the archives. I hope some new guy
>finds the info useful.
>
>I remember someone on some list somewhere joking about sneaking parts
>into the dishwasher for cleaning before etch/alodine. After a couple of
>tiring & inconsistently effective sessions with the Dawn dishwashing
>detergent & a scotchbrite pad, I decided to try it. With my wife's
>blessing I loaded up the family dishwasher with ribs (even the -7's main
>wing ribs fit), stiffeners, etc. & threw in some fuel tank plumbing
>parts for good measure. Cleaning chemical was standard Electro Sol
>dishwashing detergent.
>
>In a word, Awesome! No muss, no fuss, just load up anything that will
>fit & don your rubber gloves to unload the washer when it's finished
>doing its thing. If you could fit the whole plane in there, you could
>alodine & have a perfect gold finish with no blotches, runs, or missed
>spots, & if you care for gold, a virtually weightless paint job to boot.
>
>If anyone knows of a downside to this, please speak up now.
>
>(Obviously, lack of support or at least indifference from your spouse is
>one downside, but I'm talking a/c safety issues, not domestic
>tranquility issues.)
>
>The only side effect I noticed was that one pretty blue a/c quality nut
>for the tank plumbing came out looking like it went in, and another lost
>almost all its 'blue'. (?)
>
>Charlie
>Getting 'tanked' & getting ready to serve BBQ on June 5 here at Slobovia
>Outernational in Mississippi. Ya'll come.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition Problem? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Andy,
Have you checked your wire terminal ends at the spark plug? I know that
Jeff's system is very susceptible to misfires if the ends are not properly
done. And it's not easy to get them right in my opinion. As you know, he
says to insert the little spring end into the wire end next to the spiral
core. The trick is keep the inserted spring wire next to the center core.
There will be a tendency for the spring end to wander towards the outside of
the wire away from the core center. If this happens, you will get misfires
evidenced by small black dots inside the spark plug on the ceramic insulator
material. Look inside all of your plugs and where you see the tell-tale
back dots, you need to re-work the little spring ends. I have found that if
you carefully insert the end parallel to the core, you can actually feel the
wire rubbing against the center core as you insert the spring. Go slow and
deliberate and you will get them right. Once you get these ends right your
problems will disappear.
Hope this helps.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 All Flying
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Subject: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Problem?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
>
> Let me start with my base assumption. I was under the impression that
> electronic ignition worked better than mags under all conditions. Less
> or no RPM drop at mag check time, better burn, quicker start, etc etc
> etc. So far so good?
>
> What I see:
>
> At 1800 rpm doing mag check, both the electronic ign and the mag give
> equal drops in RPM. In flight at hi-cruise if I switch off the mag I
> get VERY rough running, with backfire pop of unburned fuel until I
> switch the mag back on. Turning off the electronic ign the mag works
> fine by itself with a slight RPM drop. What's going on here?
>
> My setup: 0-320-D2A Carb based, 1 Slick, 1 Jeff Rose Electro-Air with
> mag hole sensor
>
> Conditions of test:
>
> 2550 RPM
> 26.0 MAP
> 60 OAT
> 107 Carb Temp
> 350 CHT
> 1366 EGT
> 18 deg Advance on Electronic ign
> 10.7 GPH
> 3500FT ALT
>
>
> - Andy Karmy
> RV9A Seattle WA
> andy@karmy.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Are parts/accessories from Van's Really Cheaper? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Oldenburg" <foldenburg@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Are parts/accessories from Van's Really Cheaper?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Frederick Oldenburg
<foldenburg@earthlink.net>
>
> Ok...in addition a few items I have screwed up on, I've now placed a few
orders from Van's for misc items (rivets, proseal, etc.)
>
> I've seen posts that seem to espouse that Van's is cheaper than most, but
if you factor in the "Handling Charge" that Van's seems to tack on to every
order (in addition to shipping) I'm not so sure.
>
> When I order from Avery, Cleveland, the Yard, etc. I don't seem to get
these addtional "handling" charges, just the regular shipping charges.
>
> I know that on some of the bigger ticket items this would not be as big of
an issue. I guess that paying $5.00 "handling charge" on a $9.00 order, in
addition to shipping, just does not sit well with me. That is 55%!
>
> I know Van's is a for-profit business and all...am I out of line in
thinking that this practice is somewhat unreasonable?
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Fred Oldenburg
> RV-7A - Empennage
> http://www.rv.oldsack.com
>
(((((((((())))))))))))
My take on this is to look at whatever supplier is located close to you to
minimize shipping cost and time along with price. Try to group as many
items in one order as practical. So, the three suppliers I normally look at
are Wicks, AircraftSpruce and Vans. If it is electrical, I also consider
Steinair, B & C, Aviation Wire, Terinal Town, Mouser, Digikey, www.mpja.com
and Radio Shack. For some other stuff you should look at McMaster who has
just lots of odds and ends and just about everything imaginable. For
tools, I like Avery but there are several others very worthy. Hope this
gets you started.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition Problem? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Andy, it sounds to me like you got a spark problem from the EI. This should
be discussed with Jeff Rose to find the source. It could be the plug wires,
or how the tips are installed. Maybe a timing thing. Do you have the meter
that shows the degrees of advance? Something is very wrong and it should be
addressed IMHO.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp (not flying yet, but getting closer)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Subject: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Problem?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
>
> Let me start with my base assumption. I was under the impression that
> electronic ignition worked better than mags under all conditions. Less
> or no RPM drop at mag check time, better burn, quicker start, etc etc
> etc. So far so good?
>
> What I see:
>
> At 1800 rpm doing mag check, both the electronic ign and the mag give
> equal drops in RPM. In flight at hi-cruise if I switch off the mag I
> get VERY rough running, with backfire pop of unburned fuel until I
> switch the mag back on. Turning off the electronic ign the mag works
> fine by itself with a slight RPM drop. What's going on here?
>
> My setup: 0-320-D2A Carb based, 1 Slick, 1 Jeff Rose Electro-Air with
> mag hole sensor
>
> Conditions of test:
>
> 2550 RPM
> 26.0 MAP
> 60 OAT
> 107 Carb Temp
> 350 CHT
> 1366 EGT
> 18 deg Advance on Electronic ign
> 10.7 GPH
> 3500FT ALT
>
>
> - Andy Karmy
> RV9A Seattle WA
> andy@karmy.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I gotta Rocket!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Have them DONE? Who is having them Done for them? HUh? HUH? Who??
Das Fed ;-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE......Please!!
>From: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: I gotta Rocket!!!!
>Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:50:04 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Sears <sears@searnet.com>
>
>
> > Well Mike, you have to realize...
> >
> > "They" ARE, better than "Us" (speaking as an RV-4 guy and wishin' I had
>a
>Rocket, but not the added expense).
> > ... and what are you referring to as "good natured fun" ? :-}
> > Chuck
>
>Well, I like to think that they just think they're better than us. :-)
>Most likely, it's just that they have more money to throw at their
>projects,
>whether they do them or have them done. I don't think any of us have
>anything to be ashamed of. :-)
>
>Jim in KY
>do not archive
>
>
download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Sliding Canopy Instruction Question? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
The instructions say:
Before you do anthing else, determine and mark which holes will receive
rivets directly, and which one will contact dimpled aluminum...
Is this just because the one that will cantact dimpled aluminum will be
countersunk deeper?
I think this means that the only holes that will receive rivets directly
are the ones on the frt. bow. does this sound right?
--
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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| Subject: | unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Anybody else getting unsolicited email from www.SportFlyingShop.com
after visiting their website.
I am pretty sure I did NOT sign up for anything, just had a brief look
after I read an email here on the list.
Darn anyoing, I know I won't visit their site anymore.
Gert
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| Subject: | Interesting LED position lights on Ebay |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
I noticed that someone is selling LED position lights on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2479464181&category=26438
Quite a bit more money than the LED Position Light kits that I sell:
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm
Has anyone seen the ones on Ebay in person? Anyone know anything about
them?
Bill Dube'
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| Subject: | Re: RV7 Vibration |
--> RV-List message posted by: PSPRV6A@aol.com (by way of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>)
RV7 Vibration
This happened 27years ago but might be pertinent: My brother & I purchased
a spanking new 172 and found everything OK except for engine-speed
vibration. Balancing the prop made almost no improvement. We took the
prop off & brought it to Maxwell Prop Shop here in the twin cities.
They found that the BLADE WIDTH (chord) was different by 1/8", causing
more lift on one blade than the other. That gives an unbalanced rotating
force vector! Maxwell corrected this and smoothness went from quite poor
to exceptional! This should be considered before giving up! Still just as
smooth after 27 years!
Paul S.
Petersen, RV6A with son Eric, 90%done
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting LED position lights on Ebay |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
they look pretty cool
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
Subject: RV-List: Interesting LED position lights on Ebay
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
I noticed that someone is selling LED position lights on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2479464181&category=26438
Quite a bit more money than the LED Position Light kits that I sell:
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm
Has anyone seen the ones on Ebay in person? Anyone know anything
about them?
Bill Dube'
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
Hi All
'm in the process of getting together metal, etc for my XL. I live in Alberta,
just west of Edmonton. I'm looking for a builder who might have some extra metal
kicking around. I realize there are many different sizes of angles,sheeting
that we need. I can access the most common, but there are some that can only
be ordered by the 4x12 sheet. Most of the sheet is never needed and there
seems to be much left over. I would be willing to pay fair price plus shipping.
I just think this would be a lettle more less expensive then buying a whole
sheet or a long length of angle only to use a small piece of it. It would probably
only be worthwhile getting this from a canadian as shipping cross the
border can get expensive. Any thoughts from the group are welcome.
Dave
dnimigon@telusplanet.net
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| Subject: | Electronic Ignition Problem? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
I suggest a call to Jef Rose.
He will gladly walk you through diagnosing this.
Sounds like a loose wire or timing pickup offset but Jeff will be able to
get you sorted out.
We have the Jeff Rose system and on mag check, we get drop on mag and
basically no drop on EI only (the EI is dominating carrying the load so to
speak.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Karmy
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:58 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Problem?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
>
> Let me start with my base assumption. I was under the impression that
> electronic ignition worked better than mags under all conditions. Less
> or no RPM drop at mag check time, better burn, quicker start, etc etc
> etc. So far so good?
>
> What I see:
>
> At 1800 rpm doing mag check, both the electronic ign and the mag give
> equal drops in RPM. In flight at hi-cruise if I switch off the mag I
> get VERY rough running, with backfire pop of unburned fuel until I
> switch the mag back on. Turning off the electronic ign the mag works
> fine by itself with a slight RPM drop. What's going on here?
>
> My setup: 0-320-D2A Carb based, 1 Slick, 1 Jeff Rose Electro-Air with
> mag hole sensor
>
> Conditions of test:
>
> 2550 RPM
> 26.0 MAP
> 60 OAT
> 107 Carb Temp
> 350 CHT
> 1366 EGT
> 18 deg Advance on Electronic ign
> 10.7 GPH
> 3500FT ALT
>
>
> - Andy Karmy
> RV9A Seattle WA
> andy@karmy.com
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
I have moved my links page that I know some of you have been refering
to. To go straight to the aviation links go here.
http://cdw.homelinux.com:8080/links/Aviation.html
I have found a new Pilot Shop that is going to try and beat others prices.
http://www.pilothangar.com/
If you want to see all my links go here and click on the links link on
the menu
http://cdw.homelinux.com:8080/
And yes I know my home page looks really ugly and out of date but I have
been too busy working on other sites to update the look of my personal site.
Chris W
Bring Back the HP 15C
http://hp15c.org:8080
Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help.
http://thewishzone.com:8086
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition Problem? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Double check your timing. Once upon a time I had a similar problem that was
caused by incorrect timing on the EI.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Problem?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
> I suggest a call to Jef Rose.
>
> He will gladly walk you through diagnosing this.
>
> Sounds like a loose wire or timing pickup offset but Jeff will be able to
> get you sorted out.
>
> We have the Jeff Rose system and on mag check, we get drop on mag and
> basically no drop on EI only (the EI is dominating carrying the load so to
> speak.
>
> James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Karmy
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:58 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Problem?
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
> >
> > Let me start with my base assumption. I was under the impression that
> > electronic ignition worked better than mags under all conditions. Less
> > or no RPM drop at mag check time, better burn, quicker start, etc etc
> > etc. So far so good?
> >
> > What I see:
> >
> > At 1800 rpm doing mag check, both the electronic ign and the mag give
> > equal drops in RPM. In flight at hi-cruise if I switch off the mag I
> > get VERY rough running, with backfire pop of unburned fuel until I
> > switch the mag back on. Turning off the electronic ign the mag works
> > fine by itself with a slight RPM drop. What's going on here?
> >
> > My setup: 0-320-D2A Carb based, 1 Slick, 1 Jeff Rose Electro-Air with
> > mag hole sensor
> >
> > Conditions of test:
> >
> > 2550 RPM
> > 26.0 MAP
> > 60 OAT
> > 107 Carb Temp
> > 350 CHT
> > 1366 EGT
> > 18 deg Advance on Electronic ign
> > 10.7 GPH
> > 3500FT ALT
> >
> >
> > - Andy Karmy
> > RV9A Seattle WA
> > andy@karmy.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV7 Vibration |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 18:57 2004-05-25, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: PSPRV6A@aol.com (by way of Matt Dralle
><nospam@matronics.com>)
>
> RV7 Vibration
>This happened 27years ago but might be pertinent: My brother & I purchased
>a spanking new 172 and found everything OK except for engine-speed
>vibration. Balancing the prop made almost no improvement. We took the
>prop off & brought it to Maxwell Prop Shop here in the twin cities.
> They found that the BLADE WIDTH (chord) was different by 1/8", causing
>more lift on one blade than the other. That gives an unbalanced rotating
>force vector! Maxwell corrected this and smoothness went from quite poor
>to exceptional! This should be considered before giving up! Still just as
>smooth after 27 years!
> Paul S.
>Petersen, RV6A with son Eric, 90%done
I found this same problem on a wood prop that originally came with my
RV-4. I spent many hours trying to balance the prop then discovered one
blade was smaller than the other when it balanced. Never could get the
vibs out of that prop. It's now a wall ornament and part time test club.
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting LED position lights on Ebay |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Walker" <ron@walker.net>
At $350, no wonder there are no bids.
I've installed your lights ... and show them off at every opportunity.
Always gets interest.
Ron
You doing a white tail light anytime soon ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
Subject: RV-List: Interesting LED position lights on Ebay
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
> I noticed that someone is selling LED position lights on Ebay:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2479464181&category=26438
>
> Quite a bit more money than the LED Position Light kits that I sell:
> http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm
>
> Has anyone seen the ones on Ebay in person? Anyone know anything
about them?
>
> Bill Dube'
>
>
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