---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/28/04: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:06 AM - lightspeed ignition buyers questions (RV8ter@aol.com) 2. 06:00 AM - Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (James E. Clark) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (Brian Alley) 4. 06:34 AM - Re: Wing wiring conduits & heated pitot tube (Christopher Stone) 5. 06:43 AM - RV-8 For Sale (Ken Balch) 6. 06:52 AM - Finding AD's for your engine... (Bill VonDane) 7. 06:55 AM - Re: Wing wiring conduits & heated pitot tube (BBreckenridge@att.net) 8. 07:47 AM - Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com (Scott Vanartsdalen) 9. 08:19 AM - Re: AD's & SB's (Mike Robertson) 10. 08:23 AM - Re: Low Fuel Pressure (Mike Robertson) 11. 10:09 AM - Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com (Dave Parsons) 12. 10:09 AM - Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (RV8ter@aol.com) 13. 10:37 AM - Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (RGray67968@aol.com) 14. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com (Terry Watson) 15. 10:55 AM - Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (Ross Mickey) 16. 11:49 AM - Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (RV8ter@aol.com) 17. 01:20 PM - Re: Finding AD's for your engine... (Matthew Brandes) 18. 01:44 PM - Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (Matthew Brandes) 19. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (RV8ter@aol.com) 20. 02:13 PM - Bakersfield EAA BBQ (Tim Barnes) 21. 03:00 PM - Missing dimples (Are Barstad) 22. 03:16 PM - Re: Bakersfield EAA BBQ (Laird Owens) 23. 03:26 PM - Re: Missing dimples (Skylor Piper) 24. 04:33 PM - Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (LarryRobertHelming) 25. 04:41 PM - Re: Missing dimples (LarryRobertHelming) 26. 04:47 PM - Re: Missing dimples (Jim Jewell) 27. 07:55 PM - Rotating Fuselage Stands for Sale. (RV-7A@austin.rr.com) 28. 07:58 PM - Re: lightspeed ignition buyers questions (James E. Clark) 29. 09:01 PM - Re: Missing dimples (Are Barstad) 30. 11:46 PM - bearing material (Wheeler North) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:18 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com It's time to buy an ignition system. I can't use the Lasar due to my Mag design (dual mag pack on a A1B6D engine from a Mooney). I need a Lightspeed 101 class. I guess Lightspeed is the best alternative since it's basically all anyone discusses. What's the practical difference between Lightspeed Plasma II, the II plus and the III? I don't see a picture in Van's catalog of how one would view the optional outputs the II Plus and III offer. How's that work? It sounds like if I go with the regular Plasma, I have to go with a push button start system? I can't use a Key start? I never hear anyone discuss using the Cockpit adjustable timing advance feature. Is that something that's only useful during initial setup and not used in flight? Any strong opinions out there on any of this? thx in advance, Lucky ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:38 AM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Lucky, The Jeff Rose ElectroAir system is also a good option. And Jeff also provides good support. We are (happily) flying with one of Jeff's systems and I am building using one of Klaus' systems (Plasma II+). BOTH are good options. Both of these options allow for a keyswitch. Not trying to promote either. Just saying you do have options. James [SNIP] > I guess Lightspeed is the best alternative since it's basically > all anyone > discusses. What's the practical difference between Lightspeed [SNIP] > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:51 AM PST US From: Brian Alley Subject: RE: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley I purchased the Lightspeed system based on the minimum operating voltage. The Rose system will quite around 10 volts I believe. The Lightspeed system is advertised to operate on as low as 4 volts. If you loose an alternator you'll have some extra time to find an airport. ===== BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES 304-872-7938 shop 304-562-6800 home How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:52 AM PST US From: Christopher Stone Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing wiring conduits & heated pitot tube --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone We (two RV-8s being built simultaneously) enlarged the tooling holes (step drill) in the ribs aft of the spar to accept flexable pvc conduit purchased from Van's. It's ~1 in diameter, large enough for wires for strobes, position, landing lights and antenna coax. The pitot-static lines are routed through prepunched holes provided for them. There are plastic bushing provided to support the aluminum pitot-static tubing. Chris Stone -8 wings Newberg, OR -----Original Message----- From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing wiring conduits & heated pitot tube --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" Many people do run conduit there. From reading the RV-list, it seems that getting the wires forward of the spar to the instrument panel might be a bit awkward. I opted to drill new holes in the LE ribs for conduit, and then to run wires between the fuel tanks and the spar (where the tube to the pitot goes). I don't know how effective this is, since I haven't actually run any wires. Frank -----Original Message----- --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" I'm studying my RV-6 QB wings & Dwg 10 showing aileron push tube, and other dwgs and websites showing ways to route pitot tube tubing for Gretz heated pitot tube. Looks like lots of space in big lightening holes in all the ribs aft of spar. Aileron pushtube has to go in there but seems there shouldn't be any problem securing 1 or two small PVC pipes in there for 12volt wires to strobes & position lights & RG-58 (0.20 inch OD) to a Bob Archer antenna in each wing tip. There'd be a 12 wire to landing light and 12 v wire to heated pitot in left tip, plus air plumbing from pitot in left. Ques 1: Has it been common practice to run wires in conduits aft of the spar in those lightening holes? I'd secure the pvc at each end (root & tip) with an Adel clamp. I'm thinking I'd let one pvc conduit lay on the bottom of the lightening holes and mount the other opposite on the top side (keep my strobe pwr wire sep from antenna cable, just in case) - I can secure that upper conduit with 1 or more Adel clamps, starting above the inspection plate area and outboard (that area is open on the QB wings so I'd install the conduit before closing the wing). Seems like the pvc conduits should be out of the way of the aileron tube in inbd half of wing. Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:05 AM PST US From: Ken Balch Subject: RV-List: RV-8 For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch Well, it's time to buy some of the expensive pieces of the new project, so my RV-8 is for sale. The full details: RV-8 150TT - empty weight 1110 - built from a standard kit IO-360-A1B6 (200+HP) 150SMOH by Bart Lalonde (AeroSport Power) - the case & crank were certified by Bart to conform to new limits or better and everything else is new - Hartzell C2YK prop - new from Van's - Airflow Performance fuel injection system with purge valve - Lightspeed electronic ignition system - Vetterman crossover exhaust - Denso 35amp alternator - SkyTec lightweight starter - Stewart Warner oil cooler - new from Pacific Oil Cooler - Fuel tanks professionally built by Evan Johnson with flop tube in left tank - Infinity grip with PTT, coolie hat two-axis trim, start button, flap switch & two unassigned buttons - Andair fuel selector - Deluxe throttle quadrant from Van's - Halon fire extinguisher - ACK ELT - Brake reservoirs on pedals with no low pressure plastic tubing. - Cowling installed with Camlocs. No hinges fwf. - Becki Orndorff seats - navy blue w/gray chevron - Hooker harnesses All instruments & avionics brand new: UPS GX-65 GPS/Comm UPS SL-70 Transponder UMA airspeed indicator - knots SigmaTek attitude indicator - vacuum Altimeter - 20K' Turn coordinator SigmaTek directional gyro - vacuum RMI uEncoder Manifold pressure - Van's Tachometer - Van's Oil temp - Van's Oil pressure - Van's EGT - Van's (one channel - cylinder #3) CHT - Van's (one channel - Cylinder #3) G meter Clock - Electronics International Volt/Ammeter - Electronics International Magnetic compass - S.I.R.S. Fuel computer - Electronics International Dual fuel gauge - Electronics International suction gauge digital trim indicators (two-axis) PS Engineering intercom Hobbs meter toggle switches for magneto & electronic ignition Electrical system & wiring per Van's plans and utilizing Van's harness kit. Full custom paint job in a stylized, Stars & Stripes scheme. The design was my idea, refined by Craig Barnett (Scheme Designers), and further refined & executed by John Stahr (Stahr Design). The plane was extensively hand airbrushed, with rippling depth effects and embroidered-look stars & N numbers. It was a hit at SnF 2004. The plane was photographed by Sport Aviation for an upcoming feature and will be mentioned in Kitplanes next month. Photos: www.clubphoto.com/_cgi-bin/app.pl/albums/large_image_view?id=2288801&link_code=sa01_17 The plane is located in Kissimmee, Florida. I will deliver it anywhere in the US for expenses. $136,000 Regards, Ken Balch RV-8 N118KB Pitts Model 12 #228 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:17 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Finding AD's for your engine... rv8list@yahoogroups.com, RV10@yahoogroups.com --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Thanks to Mike Robertson for helping me find the AD's for my engine... I should be assembling my engine this weekend and back in the air soon! I've been starting to have withdrawals, but flying with my buddy in the Yak-52 seems to help! :) I just thought I would pass along some instructions on how to do this for yourself if you're interested... How to find AD's that apply to your engine: Go to the FAA's Regulatory and Guidance Library (be careful of line rap in the URL below): http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet Click on Current ADs - By Make Click on the "L" at the top of the page Find Lycoming Engines in the list and click on the link Find your engine and click on the link Hope this helps! -Bill VonDane EAA Tech Counselor RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs www.vondane.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:37 AM PST US From: BBreckenridge@att.net Subject: RV-List: RE: Wing wiring conduits & heated pitot tube --> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net Ques 2: Few months ago some folks reported large jumps in price of Gretz pitot tubes. Besides salvage, is there a lower priced alternative for new heated pitot that has any track record of reliability - or potential, if new? Is Dynon coming out with their own heated pitot tube? I'm planning on a D-10. David; I just ordered Dynon's heated PITOT from SafeAir1 for $199 (http://www.safeair1.com/index.htm). Delivery won't be til late July or so. I found it, lost it, dug for it, found it again! Now, I can't tell you exactly how to find it on their website again. The non-heated version is easily found. I received my invoice yesterday and it clearly states "heated" pitot. I ordered it based on list conversation some time back of how expensive these things have gotten. Bruce Breckenridge RV-10 #18 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:37 AM PST US From: Scott Vanartsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen Only if they can *find* your email address. :-D I just didn't want everyone thinking that the website in question was downloading some sort of evil spyware to the unsuspecting. But this is waaaay off topic. Do not archive Gert wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Gert Okay, from one friendly NWA to another NWA. No SportFlyingShop.com did not download anything, nor did I opt for anything when looking at their website. Websites can and will download your email address without your knowledge. It is not a virus, nor is it spyware adware or other ware, it's an internet feature ;-) Gert Scott Vanartsdalen wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen > > I ran a scan of my system before I visted their site and afterwared. They didn't download so much as a cookie to my machine. I'm only running the standard firewall that comes with WinXP. > > However, there are a lot of unscrupulous websites out there. Remember, when a website displays a box that says "Our website is best viewed with Would you like to download it now?" JUST SAY NO. Never click yes to anything a website "offers" you that you didn't specifically request. Even if you did request it think twice about it. > > Brought to you by a friendly neighborhood Network Administrator. > > Charlie England wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England > > Brian Denk wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >> >> >> >> >>>Anybody else getting unsolicited email from www.SportFlyingShop.com >>>after visiting their website. >>> >>>I am pretty sure I did NOT sign up for anything, just had a brief look >>>after I read an email here on the list. >>> >>>Darn anyoing, I know I won't visit their site anymore. >>> >>>Gert >>>-- >>> >>> >> >>Yes! They planted spyware or something on our PC's. Common marketing ploy >>nowadays. Annoying indeed. >> >>Screw 'em. >> >>Brian Denk >>RV8 N94BD >>RV10 '51 >> >>do not archive >> > > I've had good luck with Spybot software from: > > http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=download > > It's free; the author just requests a donation of a few dollars to help > offset his bandwidth costs for making it available to the public. > > I'm no computer genius; all I can say is that my 5 year old computer > seems to run a little faster since I let this software clean several > dozen spyware & adware programs off my hard drive. > > Charlie > > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! > > When a man does all he can > though it succeeds not well, > blame not him that did it." > -- George Washington > > > > > > > -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! When a man does all he can though it succeeds not well, blame not him that did it." -- George Washington ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:53 AM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: Re: RV-List: AD's & SB's --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" Richard, If you are not curently tearing it down then you have nothing to worry about at this time. But there are several of those ADs that still apply should you need to tear it down, or if you have a prop stick. You may want to go through them and identify which ones should the need arise. Mike >From: richard dudley >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: AD's & SB's >Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:33:24 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley > >Thanks Mike, >I should have mentioned that my engine is new with a manufacturing date >of 05-03-02. My interest is in knowing what ADs or SBs might apply since >manufacture. I assume that all ADs and SBs up to date of manufacture >were applied. So my concern would be any that followed. > >Regards, > >Richard Dudley > >Mike Robertson wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" > > > >Richard, > > > >Here is the AD list. For your series engine thare are 17 possible ADs. > >Some of them will not apply. I would think about 6-8 of them would. The > >really important ones are the ones that say do at overhaul/dis-assemble, >the > >oil pump AD, and the one about the accessory drive gear bolt. The text >of > >these ADs are available on the FAA.GOV website at: > > > >http://av-info.faa.gov/default.asp?PG=Aircraft > > > >Once you figure out which ADs apply then you can narrow down which SBs > >apply. The total stack of SBs/SIs/SLs is about 12 inches thick so there >is > >no way I can send you the entire list. But if you need info on a >specific > >one let me know and I can email you that one. > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > > >>From: richard dudley > >>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >>To: rv-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: Re: RV-List: AD's & SB's > >>Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:24:06 -0400 > >> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: richard dudley > >> > >>Mike, > >>I have an O-320-D1A in my nearly finished 6A. I would sure appreciate > >>copies of those lists of SBs and ADs for that engine. > >>Thanks in advance. > >> > >>Richard Dudley > >>do not archive > >> > >>Mike Robertson wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" > > >>> > >>>I have every one of both should you need them. Drop me a line. > >>> > >>>Mike Robertson > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: Bill VonDane > >>>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >>>>To: vansairforce , >rv-list@matronics.com, > >>>>rv8list@yahoogroups.com, RV10@yahoogroups.com > >>>>Subject: RV-List: AD's & SB's > >>>>Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:49:51 -0600 > >>>> > >>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > >>>> > >>>>Just wondering if anyone has already complied a list of the applicable > >>>> > >>>> > >>ADs > >> > >> > >>>>& > >>>>SBs for the O320? > >>>> > >>>>Thanks... > >>>> > >>>>-Bill VonDane > >>>>EAA Tech Counselor > >>>>RV-8A ~ N8WV ~ Colorado Springs > >>>>www.vondane.com > >>>>www.creativair.com > >>>>www.epanelbuilder.com > >>>> > >>>>do not archive > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > >it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:58 AM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" <6.0.1.1.0.20040521132943.032b6510@mail.brier.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Low Fuel Pressure <6.0.1.1.0.20040521132943.032b6510@mail.brier.net> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" I would also take a look at the main filter again. Something may have come loose and is now partially blocking the outlet. Mike Robertson >From: Denis Walsh >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Low Fuel Pressure ><6.0.1.1.0.20040521132943.032b6510@mail.brier.net> >Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:57:18 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh > >This sure sounds like Stew Bergner's problem, which was eventually >traced to AFP boost pump assembly. Are you listening stewie?? > >I don't remember the fix but I think he disabled the purge system? > > >On May 26, 2004, at 2:30 PM, Bob wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bob > > > > Some of you really smart guys might be able to help me out on this > > one. I > > am getting low fuel pressures during cruise flight. Normal fuel > > pressures > > are 22-24 PSI without Aux boost pump and 26-27 PSI with boost pump on. > > Now > > without the aux boost pump I get about 10-11 PSI in cruise, I get 24 > > PSI at > > takeoff and landing. On the Sunday flight, when I had low pressures I > > turned on the boost pump and pressures went back to the 24 PSI > > range. Yesterday, after the PSI dropped, I turned on the boost pump, > > pressure went back up to normal range, then slowly dropped back to > > 10-11 > > PSI. I turned the boost pump off and pressures dropped below 9 PSI. > > > > Engine is a IO 360 A1A (180 hp), Bendix fuel injection, and airflow > > performance boost pump with assembly (fuel return line/check valve) and > > fuel filter. All this stuff is plumbed according to airflow's > > instructions. The system has been working fine for the first 150 > > hours. Since the last annual, it has been acting funny. The only > > things > > that I did to the fuel system during the annual was to clean the fuel > > filter and to clean the finger screen in the fuel servo. > > > > My mechanic said to fly and watch it, but I think now I need to do > > something. Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > > Bob > > RV6 NightFighter > > > > > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > > > > > > > > Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio! http://radio.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200491ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:49 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com From: "Dave Parsons" --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Parsons" > Gert, is there anyway to disable this "feature" in the MS IExplore 6.0 > Browser?? I have to jump in here. Internet Explorer does not send your email address to web sites that you visit. You are most likely getting junk mail from posting to this list. Since our email addresses are posted on the Matronics rv-list web site archive, anybody can write a program to search through the archive and pick up the email addresses. I use different email addresses for every service I sign up for. The only junk mail I am getting is from the address I use for this list. Dave Seattle RV-7A wings ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:58 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: RE: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com is there a web site which has any installation pictures or details? The "official" web site I find doing the yahoo search is severly lacking. thx, lucky do not archive --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Lucky, The Jeff Rose ElectroAir system is also a good option. And Jeff also provides good support. We are (happily) flying with one of Jeff's systems and I am building using one of Klaus' systems (Plasma II+). BOTH are good options. Both of these options allow for a keyswitch. Not trying to promote either. Just saying you do have options. James ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:07 AM PST US From: RGray67968@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com Hey Lucky, The Internet is incredible......just type in 'lightspeed ignition' and whaaala.....up it comes.....try it sometime.....smile. Here you go: http://www.lsecorp.com/ Rick Gray RV6 in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm do not archive is there a web site which has any installation pictures or details? The "official" web site I find doing the yahoo search is severly lacking. thx, lucky do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:31 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" I complained to SportFlyingShop after receiving a message from them, sent to an e-mail address that I don't use on this list. They told me that "Yes, mail like this is annoying. I don't think we will be doing this again. Of course some people are interested in finding out about new products in this manner, but it is not worth it considering the people who get annoyed. We wanted to try it out and see the response. Of course we honor all removal requests and have a very good system to make sure no-one who is removed gets an e-mail again. Incidently, we have no way of getting e-mail addresses from people who visit our site. We don't have any way of doing this. The e-mail addresses we sent the mail to were mostly hand-picked from aviation-related sites. Again, apologies for the inconvenience and please let me know if the e-mail address we used for you has not been unsubscribed yet. Thanks SFS" Terry Seattle Do not archive --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Parsons" > Gert, is there anyway to disable this "feature" in the MS IExplore 6.0 > Browser?? I have to jump in here. Internet Explorer does not send your email address to web sites that you visit. You are most likely getting junk mail from posting to this list. Since our email addresses are posted on the Matronics rv-list web site archive, anybody can write a program to search through the archive and pick up the email addresses. I use different email addresses for every service I sign up for. The only junk mail I am getting is from the address I use for this list. Dave Seattle RV-7A wings ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:37 AM PST US From: "Ross Mickey" Subject: RE: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" http://www.lsecorp.com/ --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com is there a web site which has any installation pictures or details? The "official" web site I find doing the yahoo search is severly lacking. thx, lucky do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:04 AM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: RE: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com Sorry, I meant URL for Jeff Rose's Electro-Air ignition. do not archive, lucky ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:27 PM PST US From: "Matthew Brandes" Subject: RV-List: RE: Finding AD's for your engine... --> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" Here is a link to the Lycoming Service Bulletins, like the 505B and 475C. http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage/support/publications/main tenancePublications/serviceBulletins.html Matthew Brandes, Van's RV-9A (Wings/Fuselage) EAA Chapter 868/91/1329 www.n523rv.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:47 PM PST US From: "Matthew Brandes" Subject: RV-List: RE: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" Lucky, I found this site with a picture and diagram. http://www.sx300group.org/hangar_talk.htm Matthew Brandes, Van's RV-9A (Wings/Fuselage) EAA Chapter 868/91/1329 www.n523rv.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:59 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com Hey, you win! Thanks for the information as you saved me from making a mistake if I had ordered the Jeff Rose system. My engine only has one mag accessory hole which drives both mag packs (that's what the D is about in the A1B6D). I plan on using one single mag so I'll still need the In a message dated 5/28/2004 4:45:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, matthew@n523rv.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" Lucky, I found this site with a picture and diagram. http://www.sx300group.org/hangar_talk.htm Matthew Brandes, Van's RV-9A (Wings/Fuselage) EAA Chapter 868/91/1329 www.n523rv.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:16 PM PST US From: "Tim Barnes" Subject: RV-List: Bakersfield EAA BBQ --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Barnes" Chapter 71 BBQ will be held June 5, @ L45 (Bakersfield Muni) There are a few things that we will try to approve on, this year we will serve at 1:00pm, the cost is only $ 10.00. Lots of planes and hangar talk. So if you will be going to Merced this year fly over to L45 and get a Tri-Tip lunch, visit with old friends or make some new ones. If you still have some questions you can call (661) 836-1028 Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio! http://radio.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200491ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:00 PM PST US From: "Are Barstad" Subject: RV-List: Missing dimples --> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad" Okay - this is embarrassing... After assembling one of my flaps I noticed that I must have forgot to dimple one side of the main spar - D'Oh! The side with the hinge is dimpled but not the side under the top skin. While I'm confident it will never come apart, I'm not sure if it will pass inspection. I have no idea how I could forget this and not notice before riveting. I can only fix this by building a new flap since it would be impossible to salvage due to cherry max rivets on the spar where the ribs are attached. It would be a shame since the flap otherwise looks like a million bucks... Does anyone have any experience with this? Are RV-8 - Wings --- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:09 PM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: Re: RV-List: Bakersfield EAA BBQ --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Tim, Are you doing this in conjunction with the car show and RC models like you did awhile back or is it like the old days, just a fly-in? Laird On May 28, 2004, at 2:10 PM, Tim Barnes wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Barnes" > > > Chapter 71 BBQ will be held June 5, @ L45 (Bakersfield Muni) There are > a few > things that we will try to approve on, this year we will serve at > 1:00pm, > the cost is only $ 10.00. Lots of planes and hangar talk. So if you > will be > going to Merced this year fly over to L45 and get a Tri-Tip lunch, > visit > with old friends or make some new ones. If you still have some > questions you > can call (661) 836-1028 > > Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball > Gameday Audio! > http://radio.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200491ave/direct/01/ > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:18 PM PST US From: Skylor Piper Subject: Re: RV-List: Missing dimples --> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper Can you simply drill out the rivets that are in the un-dimpled holes, then machine countersink the holes and re-rivet? --- Are Barstad wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad" > > > Okay - this is embarrassing... After assembling one > of my flaps I noticed > that I must have forgot to dimple one side of the > main spar - D'Oh! The side > with the hinge is dimpled but not the side under the > top skin. > > While I'm confident it will never come apart, I'm > not sure if it will pass > inspection. > > I have no idea how I could forget this and not > notice before riveting. I can > only fix this by building a new flap since it would > be impossible to salvage > due to cherry max rivets on the spar where the ribs > are attached. It would > be a shame since the flap otherwise looks like a > million bucks... > > Does anyone have any experience with this? > > Are > RV-8 - Wings > --- > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:09 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Alley" Subject: RE: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions > --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley > > I purchased the Lightspeed system based on the minimum > operating voltage. The Rose system will quite around > 10 volts I believe. The Lightspeed system is > advertised to operate on as low as 4 volts. If you > loose an alternator you'll have some extra time to > find an airport. > > ===== > BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) > CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES > 304-872-7938 shop > 304-562-6800 home > ((((((((((()))))))))))))) That is why it is good to have the other half of the spark plugs driven by a magneto. Even if the battery fails to deliver, for what ever reason, you still have spark plugs working. EI with magneto is a safer system with alternate power source for contingency. I suggest you consider Bob Nuckoll's methodology of using an endurance buss system with a yearly new 17 amp hour battery. With not more than 8 amps draw on the endurance buss, there will be 2 hours to find that airport or continue your flight to final destination if the alternator quits provided you have a fully charged and capable battery. For more information on the endurance buss and Bob Nuckolls, visit http://www.matronics.com/subscription/ and subscribe to aeroelectric-list or search aeroelectric-list archives at http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker" ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:06 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Missing dimples --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" No experience with this -- however -- You should be able to drill them out. If that fails, you can always buy new parts and do the work over. You are not the first person/builder to do this and you will not be the last. Other alternatives? You should call Vans and see what they advise. Indiana Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Are Barstad" Subject: RV-List: Missing dimples > --> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad" > > Okay - this is embarrassing... After assembling one of my flaps I noticed > that I must have forgot to dimple one side of the main spar - D'Oh! The side > with the hinge is dimpled but not the side under the top skin. > > While I'm confident it will never come apart, I'm not sure if it will pass > inspection. > > I have no idea how I could forget this and not notice before riveting. I can > only fix this by building a new flap since it would be impossible to salvage > due to cherry max rivets on the spar where the ribs are attached. It would > be a shame since the flap otherwise looks like a million bucks... > > Does anyone have any experience with this? > > Are > RV-8 - Wings > --- > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:09 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Missing dimples --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hello Are, If I am reading your email correctly: Are the the Cherry Max rivets you refer to the structural type? if so they will have a steel shank in the center that can be driven out with a pin punch. In some cases a die grinder or Dremel is needed to remove most of the rivet head Once the pin is removed they can be drilled out with ease. This then should allow you to salvage the good parts and or allow you to dimple the forgotten dimples and then get back to building. If you feel the skin or any other part is damaged too much replacement will be your choice. If the Cherry Max rivets you refer to are the lighter duty type that come with the kit you should be able to drill them out with little effort. Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Are Barstad" Subject: RV-List: Missing dimples > --> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad" > > Okay - this is embarrassing... After assembling one of my flaps I noticed > that I must have forgot to dimple one side of the main spar - D'Oh! The side > with the hinge is dimpled but not the side under the top skin. > > While I'm confident it will never come apart, I'm not sure if it will pass > inspection. > > I have no idea how I could forget this and not notice before riveting. I can > only fix this by building a new flap since it would be impossible to salvage > due to cherry max rivets on the spar where the ribs are attached. It would > be a shame since the flap otherwise looks like a million bucks... > > Does anyone have any experience with this? > > Are > RV-8 - Wings > --- > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:38 PM PST US From: RV-7A@austin.rr.com Subject: RV-List: Rotating Fuselage Stands for Sale. --> RV-List message posted by: RV-7A@austin.rr.com I am building and selling Fuselage Stands that support all RV's for $250. I have them listed on Ebay as well. Feel free to email me for info. RV-7A@Austin.RR.com Pics are here. http://jeffsrv7a.com/Fusejig.htm ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:56 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Those "operating voltages" may not be as far apart as you may think. In any case though if you take the midpoint for both, you still should have some time before your ("in good health .... right??") battery goes dead. Also I **THINK** there is a difference in where they operate in the "starting the engine" mode vs once the engine is running. Don't have the numbers and details right now but a friend of mine has noticed this. Again, both systems are good systems. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Alley > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:10 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: lightspeed ignition buyers questions > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley > > I purchased the Lightspeed system based on the minimum > operating voltage. The Rose system will quite around > 10 volts I believe. The Lightspeed system is > advertised to operate on as low as 4 volts. If you > loose an alternator you'll have some extra time to > find an airport. > > ===== > BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) > CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES > 304-872-7938 shop > 304-562-6800 home > > How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:53 PM PST US From: "Are Barstad" Subject: RE: RV-List: Missing dimples --> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad" do not archive Thanks guys - I'm redoing it right now. So far so good. I should have it back together again by Sunday night. The tricky part is the flap actuator but it should be okay. Are -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Jewell Subject: Re: RV-List: Missing dimples --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hello Are, If I am reading your email correctly: Are the the Cherry Max rivets you refer to the structural type? if so they will have a steel shank in the center that can be driven out with a pin punch. In some cases a die grinder or Dremel is needed to remove most of the rivet head Once the pin is removed they can be drilled out with ease. This then should allow you to salvage the good parts and or allow you to dimple the forgotten dimples and then get back to building. If you feel the skin or any other part is damaged too much replacement will be your choice. If the Cherry Max rivets you refer to are the lighter duty type that come with the kit you should be able to drill them out with little effort. Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Are Barstad" Subject: RV-List: Missing dimples > --> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad" > > Okay - this is embarrassing... After assembling one of my flaps I noticed > that I must have forgot to dimple one side of the main spar - D'Oh! The side > with the hinge is dimpled but not the side under the top skin. > > While I'm confident it will never come apart, I'm not sure if it will pass > inspection. > > I have no idea how I could forget this and not notice before riveting. I can > only fix this by building a new flap since it would be impossible to salvage > due to cherry max rivets on the spar where the ribs are attached. It would > be a shame since the flap otherwise looks like a million bucks... > > Does anyone have any experience with this? > > Are > RV-8 - Wings > --- > > --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. --- ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:46 PM PST US From: Wheeler North "'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com '"@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: bearing material --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Laird, big bummer, Obviously don't run the engine at all, but its really unusual to see bearing wear this early in the life of a proven engine. Was there a lot of metal? Lycoming has a sb on the 100% replacement items during OH, but its a long list. The downside is things like cams and lifter bodies tend to go after TBO so now you are in the quandry of dealing with that in another 1000 hours again, given that they pass muster now. Its true that there are service limits and new limits, but the service limits aren't that great, and on many parts you will not reach TBO by using them. I'm not convinced you yet know what caused the premature failure or where it is specifically. One option is to pull the cylinders and see if its a con bearing. If so, and the metal load was very low, then your bottom end mains may be ok. In this case the OH is just a disassembly, clean, replace all bearings and seals and reassemble. The other thing that I don't yet know is was there any other contaminants such as silicon or steel. Bearings can be wiped by failing things like an oil pump, or a bad air filter letting a lot of dirt in. This latter will usually show up as poor compresion first though. Re shops, Lycon does seem to be the best in our sorta local area, to which I've never heard of a complaint. This is definately an area where you get what you pay for, but paying big bucks doesn't ensure that. Take the time to have a long conversation with them. If they know their stuff they will grant you that luxury. Most good pros know that this is a part of running a good business and maintaining a strong reputation. I would also add that you are more than competent to tear this down your self and explore it some more, and in fact, possibly repair it your self. I've built a lot of aircraft and automotive engines, and like anything else, taking your time, getting good info, borrowing the right tools when you need them, etc will produce a good job and you will gain from the experience. And worse case, if you tear it down and all looks nasty, box it up and mail it off. But at least you will be confident at that point that it really needed a full OH. I'd be happy to pop up and look at it once you got it apart, or anytime for that matter. W Time: 11:52:32 AM PST US From: Laird Owens Subject: RV-List: Questions For An Overhaul Shop --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens Hi all, So much for having TOO much fun in the Bahamas last month. After I got home from the trip, I changed the oil and found metal in the oil filter. 950 TTSN, in 3 years. Lycoming confirmed it was bearing material. %$#@!!! There were no symptoms during the last flights, such as low oil pressure (75psi warm) or vibration. I had just finished flying 45 hrs in the previous 2 weeks, with nothing in the filter on the last oil change. At this point I'm not interested in doing the overhaul myself, even assisted, so I'm looking for a shop to do an overhaul to get back flying. Right now I've got some shops in my mind (including Aero Sport) but I'm not quite sure how to approach them. How do I approach these companies to compare prices to get an "apples to apples comparison. I'm sure they'd want to look at the engine before making any quote. I can't send them all the engine. I want to make sure I look around to get a warm fuzzy when I end up sending it someone and parting with the next 5 years of my expendable income. Would asking them for a quote on their labor costs for a "standard" (whatever that is) overhaul would be the right way to do it?. Or a quote on an overhaul with all parts assumed good, like crankcase, crank, cam, pistons and cylinders. (I know that there will be some components that'll need replacing, but with a 1000hr motor since new, there should be a lot of good parts, except what has been damaged from the bearing giving up.) Any other ideas? Since this is the first experience with this kind of experience, any suggestions would be welcomed. TIA, Laird RV-6