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1. 12:03 AM - automotive parts (Wheeler North)
2. 07:12 AM - Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com (Phil Birkelbach)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Finding AD's for your engine... (Charles Rowbotham)
4. 08:10 AM - Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com (Barnyard BOb)
5. 09:48 AM - Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com (Stein Bruch)
6. 12:41 PM - Governor Problem - MT Governor (Pat Hatch)
7. 01:56 PM - Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor (Ladyrat01@aol.com)
8. 02:31 PM - Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor (linn walters)
9. 02:52 PM - Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com (Phil Birkelbach)
10. 02:54 PM - Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor (JOHN STARN)
11. 03:19 PM - Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor (Jordan Grant)
12. 03:47 PM - Matronics trim governor (Jim Anglin)
13. 03:56 PM - Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor (Dan Checkoway)
14. 04:04 PM - Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor (Pat Hatch)
15. 04:27 PM - Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor (WFACT01@aol.com)
16. 04:53 PM - Fuel tank proseal ! (Larry G RV-7 N697RV)
17. 05:44 PM - Re: Matronics trim governor (Kevin Horton)
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"'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com '"@matronics.com
| Subject: | automotive parts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Folks,
Automotive coolant hoses are not rated for constant fuel and oil exposure,
they will usually begin the swell and sweat the oil through. They can also
delaminate internally and then possibly cause a plug. I would never use this
in a breather installation.
Use the soft 3003 aluminum versa tube with the 303 hose and ss clamps for
the connections.
RE little crankcase vent filter used in cars. These are most often
integrated with a PCV valve, to which you wouldn't want in an AC engine.
These can not only plug up, but they are rated for a specific flow and most
of us do not have access to what that is, or how to appropriately rate one
to a lycoming.
If either of these plug, you will have your front seal move out, or a case
gasket move out, and a big oil leak to follow.
W
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| Subject: | Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
> No SportFlyingShop.com did not download anything, nor did I opt for
> anything when looking at their website. Websites can and will download
> your email address without your knowledge.
>
Sorry but this is simply not true. There is (or was) an HTTP header that
was used for this purpose but your email only get's sent to webservers if
YOUR browser writes this header entry. The webserver has no way to download
your email address. Your browser my have the ability to send your address
and if you are using an old version of IE that may be happening, but most
(if not all) browsers have stopped this practice. I did a little test on my
webserver once just so see how many of my visitors had browsers that were
sending email addresses and I didn't get any.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
http://www.myrv7.com
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| Subject: | RE: Finding AD's for your engine... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Matthew
Thanks for the info - have bookmarked it,
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Matthew Brandes" <matthew@n523rv.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: RE: Finding AD's for your engine...
>Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:17:36 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" <matthew@n523rv.com>
>
>Here is a link to the Lycoming Service Bulletins, like the 505B and 475C.
>
>http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage/support/publications/main
>tenancePublications/serviceBulletins.html
>
>
>Matthew Brandes,
>Van's RV-9A (Wings/Fuselage)
>EAA Chapter 868/91/1329
>www.n523rv.com <http://www.n523rv.com/>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Barnyard BOb" <rv3a@comcast.net>
> > No SportFlyingShop.com did not download anything, nor did I opt for
> > anything when looking at their website. Websites can and will download
> > your email address without your knowledge.
> >
>
> Sorry but this is simply not true. There is (or was) an HTTP header that
> was used for this purpose but your email only get's sent to webservers if
> YOUR browser writes this header entry. The webserver has no way to
download
> your email address. Your browser my have the ability to send your address
> and if you are using an old version of IE that may be happening, but most
> (if not all) browsers have stopped this practice. I did a little test on
my
> webserver once just so see how many of my visitors had browsers that were
> sending email addresses and I didn't get any.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What roll do cookies play?
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
They're what I eat sometimes on long X-Country trips in my RV6 Aircraft.....
Oooops, thought this thread might actually have something to do with RV's!
DO NOT ARCHIVE - I sure don't want to read about this "stuff" years from now when
I'm looking through the archives.
Apologies for the sarcasm....I'm stuck in London, bored, and trying to catch up
on some "rv related" stuff.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Barnyard BOb" <rv3a@comcast.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Barnyard BOb" <rv3a@comcast.net>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>What roll do cookies play?
>
>Bob
>
>
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| Subject: | Governor Problem - MT Governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
With about 19 hours on the -7, I had a problem this morning. On the runup I noticed
that there was no prop RPM drop off and it felt like there was no resistance
on the other end of the control cable. I went back to the hangar and un-cowled
and found the control arm and rod end resting on the shelf of the firewall
recess. The small metric bolt that held the control arm in place had backed
out and the arm had worked itself off the splined shaft. To be honest, I am
not sure that I checked to make sure the lock washer was in place and properly
installed. My assumption now is that the governor probably came without the
tabs on the lock washer bent--perhaps anticipating having to re-clock the arm.
But I'm not sure. Anyway, can anyone shine any light on this, and does anyone
have any suggestions on where one might find one of these metric bolts?
The bolt appears to be about the size of a #8 screw.
More importantly it might be a good idea to check your governor control arm if
you have the MT governor. The lock washer has a tab that bends over the arm and
another that bends in the opposite direction to capture the bolt.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 All Flying
Vero Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ladyrat01@aol.com
DROP DEAD RUMP ASS
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| Subject: | Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
For the metric stuff, visit your neighborhood ace aircraft supply. Ace
is the place!
Linn
Pat Hatch wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
>With about 19 hours on the -7, I had a problem this morning. On the runup I noticed
that there was no prop RPM drop off and it felt like there was no resistance
on the other end of the control cable. I went back to the hangar and un-cowled
and found the control arm and rod end resting on the shelf of the firewall
recess. The small metric bolt that held the control arm in place had backed
out and the arm had worked itself off the splined shaft. To be honest, I
am not sure that I checked to make sure the lock washer was in place and properly
installed. My assumption now is that the governor probably came without the
tabs on the lock washer bent--perhaps anticipating having to re-clock the arm.
But I'm not sure. Anyway, can anyone shine any light on this, and does anyone
have any suggestions on where one might find one of these metric bolts?
The bolt appears to be about the size of a #8 screw.
>
>More importantly it might be a good idea to check your governor control arm if
you have the MT governor. The lock washer has a tab that bends over the arm
and another that bends in the opposite direction to capture the bolt.
>
>Pat Hatch
>RV-4
>RV-6
>RV-7 All Flying
>Vero Beach, FL
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
A cookie is a small piece of information that the server SENDS to your
browser. Your browser simply stores this information and sends it back to
the server when it makes a request. This is how webservers keep track of
you between visits.
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barnyard BOb" <rv3a@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: unsolicited email from SportFlyingShop.com
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Barnyard BOb" <rv3a@comcast.net>
>
> > > No SportFlyingShop.com did not download anything, nor did I opt for
> > > anything when looking at their website. Websites can and will download
> > > your email address without your knowledge.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry but this is simply not true. There is (or was) an HTTP header
that
> > was used for this purpose but your email only get's sent to webservers
if
> > YOUR browser writes this header entry. The webserver has no way to
> download
> > your email address. Your browser my have the ability to send your
address
> > and if you are using an old version of IE that may be happening, but
most
> > (if not all) browsers have stopped this practice. I did a little test
on
> my
> > webserver once just so see how many of my visitors had browsers that
were
> > sending email addresses and I didn't get any.
> >
> > Godspeed,
> >
> > Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> > RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> What roll do cookies play?
>
> Bob
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
WARNING*** KABONG HUNOR AHEAD, Delete now...
Is this close to a double redundant, say again, 10-9, Huh, (drop & dead and
rump & a$$) responce or what ? ?
BUT no Do Not Archive on the original(s). 8*) KABONG
---- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: RV-List: Governor Problem - MT Governor
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ladyrat01@aol.com
>
> DROP DEAD RUMP ASS
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| Subject: | Governor Problem - MT Governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <gra9933@bellsouth.net>
Pat,
I recently installed my MT Governor. Like you said, it came with
instructions to set the arm to the proper clock position you want, then to
bend over the washer yourself. I think this is something that is easily
forgotten - especially if you don't need to reset the arm. I'm going to
write myself a note to remember to do that before I fly.
Jordan Grant
RV-6 - Working on the fuel System
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
Subject: RV-List: Governor Problem - MT Governor
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
With about 19 hours on the -7, I had a problem this morning. On the runup I
noticed that there was no prop RPM drop off and it felt like there was no
resistance on the other end of the control cable. I went back to the hangar
and un-cowled and found the control arm and rod end resting on the shelf of
the firewall recess. The small metric bolt that held the control arm in
place had backed out and the arm had worked itself off the splined shaft.
To be honest, I am not sure that I checked to make sure the lock washer was
in place and properly installed. My assumption now is that the governor
probably came without the tabs on the lock washer bent--perhaps anticipating
having to re-clock the arm. But I'm not sure. Anyway, can anyone shine any
light on this, and does anyone have any suggestions on where one might find
one of these metric bolts? The bolt appears to be about the size of a #8
screw.
More importantly it might be a good idea to check your governor control arm
if you have the MT governor. The lock washer has a tab that bends over the
arm and another that bends in the opposite direction to capture the bolt.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7 All Flying
Vero Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Matronics trim governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <jlanglin44@earthlink.net>
Would it be possible for one of these to come with a direct short to ground
in the circuit? I wired mine into the system and the yellow common wire
that is supposed to go to the coolie hat switch is grounded. I don't get
it.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I would think that safety wiring the bolt would be much more foolproof than
the bent-up washer thing. I did bend up the washer, but it seemed on the
hokey side to me.
It's been a while since I looked closely at mine, but if I recall, the bolt
head isn't fat enough for a lunk like me to try drilling it myself.
If anybody happens to find a source for those metric bolts with a drilled
head, please pass the word on.
Thanks,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Grant" <gra9933@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Governor Problem - MT Governor
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <gra9933@bellsouth.net>
>
> Pat,
> I recently installed my MT Governor. Like you said, it came with
> instructions to set the arm to the proper clock position you want, then to
> bend over the washer yourself. I think this is something that is easily
> forgotten - especially if you don't need to reset the arm. I'm going to
> write myself a note to remember to do that before I fly.
>
> Jordan Grant
> RV-6 - Working on the fuel System
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Governor Problem - MT Governor
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
> With about 19 hours on the -7, I had a problem this morning. On the runup
I
> noticed that there was no prop RPM drop off and it felt like there was no
> resistance on the other end of the control cable. I went back to the
hangar
> and un-cowled and found the control arm and rod end resting on the shelf
of
> the firewall recess. The small metric bolt that held the control arm in
> place had backed out and the arm had worked itself off the splined shaft.
> To be honest, I am not sure that I checked to make sure the lock washer
was
> in place and properly installed. My assumption now is that the governor
> probably came without the tabs on the lock washer bent--perhaps
anticipating
> having to re-clock the arm. But I'm not sure. Anyway, can anyone shine
any
> light on this, and does anyone have any suggestions on where one might
find
> one of these metric bolts? The bolt appears to be about the size of a #8
> screw.
>
> More importantly it might be a good idea to check your governor control
arm
> if you have the MT governor. The lock washer has a tab that bends over
the
> arm and another that bends in the opposite direction to capture the bolt.
>
> Pat Hatch
> RV-4
> RV-6
> RV-7 All Flying
> Vero Beach, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Jordan, thanks for the reply. You know, on further inspection of some
photographs that I have of the governor installation, it looks like the tabs
are bent over. So now I'm wondering whether the arm just slipped off the
shaft and then the bolt backed out. Not sure, but now I'm thinking about
drilling the hole out for an AN3 bolt and using a castle nut on the other
side. I am not a big fan of lock washers in an installation like this
anyway. Also, this way I won't have to wait a week for a metric bolt to get
here in the mail. I am still debating whether I want to do this or not or
maybe even use a #8 screw with a metal stop nut. As you know, the arm is
not very wide and an AN3 bolt might be too big. And obviously I would
probably void the warranty if I go this route. Anyone have any thoughts on
this?
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Grant" <gra9933@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Governor Problem - MT Governor
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <gra9933@bellsouth.net>
>
> Pat,
> I recently installed my MT Governor. Like you said, it came with
> instructions to set the arm to the proper clock position you want, then to
> bend over the washer yourself. I think this is something that is easily
> forgotten - especially if you don't need to reset the arm. I'm going to
> write myself a note to remember to do that before I fly.
>
> Jordan Grant
> RV-6 - Working on the fuel System
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Governor Problem - MT Governor
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
> With about 19 hours on the -7, I had a problem this morning. On the runup
I
> noticed that there was no prop RPM drop off and it felt like there was no
> resistance on the other end of the control cable. I went back to the
hangar
> and un-cowled and found the control arm and rod end resting on the shelf
of
> the firewall recess. The small metric bolt that held the control arm in
> place had backed out and the arm had worked itself off the splined shaft.
> To be honest, I am not sure that I checked to make sure the lock washer
was
> in place and properly installed. My assumption now is that the governor
> probably came without the tabs on the lock washer bent--perhaps
anticipating
> having to re-clock the arm. But I'm not sure. Anyway, can anyone shine
any
> light on this, and does anyone have any suggestions on where one might
find
> one of these metric bolts? The bolt appears to be about the size of a #8
> screw.
>
> More importantly it might be a good idea to check your governor control
arm
> if you have the MT governor. The lock washer has a tab that bends over
the
> arm and another that bends in the opposite direction to capture the bolt.
>
> Pat Hatch
> RV-4
> RV-6
> RV-7 All Flying
> Vero Beach, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Governor Problem - MT Governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
Pat Loctite works better than drilling a hole in the shaft-Tom
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (Engine Runs, Taxi-Tests)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | Fuel tank proseal ! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry G RV-7 N697RV <edge540t@direcway.com>
On the AN fittings for the fuel and vent fittings do I need to scuff up the fittings
at all or just clean with MEK. And how tight is tight on the fittings. Is
there a number for torque.
Larry Gobin
RV-7
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Matronics trim governor |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <jlanglin44@earthlink.net>
>
>Would it be possible for one of these to come with a direct short to ground
>in the circuit? I wired mine into the system and the yellow common wire
>that is supposed to go to the coolie hat switch is grounded. I don't get
>it.
Jim,
My Matronics Governor Mk III docs say that that yellow wire may be
optionally connected to ground. In that case the common wire from
the coolie hat switch would also be connected to ground. I think
your trim governor is probably perfectly fine.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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