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1. 04:48 AM - IFR flight tracking (SportAV8R@aol.com)
2. 05:35 AM - Re:Price of RV4's (Garrett, Randy L (C4S))
3. 05:48 AM - RV 8 Weight (Doug Bell)
4. 06:18 AM - Re: RV 8 Weight (RV8ter@aol.com)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: RV4 Blue Book (Scott Vanartsdalen)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: RV 8 Weight (Bill VonDane)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: RV 8 Weight (BRUCE GRAY)
8. 06:58 AM - Re: RV 8 Weight (Brian Alley)
9. 07:02 AM - Re: RV 8 Weight (BRUCE GRAY)
10. 07:27 AM - Re: RV 8 Weight (Bill VonDane)
11. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition Problem? (Andy Karmy)
12. 08:38 AM - Pacesetter Prop For Sale (glennpaulwilkinson)
13. 08:38 AM - Oops rivet question (Dave Smith)
14. 09:07 AM - Re: Oops rivet question (Gert)
15. 09:55 AM - Re: Oops rivet question (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
16. 10:03 AM - Re: Oops rivet question (Michael McGee)
17. 10:51 AM - Re: Oops rivet question (plaurence@the-beach.net)
18. 11:36 AM - Re: RV4 Blue Book (Rabaut, Chuck)
19. 12:16 PM - Great Service (Schilling Karl)
20. 12:40 PM - Painting rear of firewall (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com)
21. 12:46 PM - Re: Great Service (mark phipps)
22. 01:21 PM - Transponder problem found (Steve & Denise)
23. 01:24 PM - Re: Painting rear of firewall (Scott Bilinski)
24. 01:30 PM - Re: Painting rear of firewall (Michael McGee)
25. 01:55 PM - Re: Great Service (Schilling Karl)
26. 04:22 PM - Advice for apartment dwelling wannabe builder? (Dan White)
27. 04:39 PM - Re: RV4 Blue Book (Kyle Boatright)
28. 04:47 PM - Re: Oops rivet question (Kyle Boatright)
29. 04:52 PM - Re: Great service (Dave Hyde)
30. 05:41 PM - NO MORE EMAIL (Frank Thackeray)
31. 05:46 PM - Re: Advice for apartment dwelling wannabe builder? (Brian Kraut)
32. 05:53 PM - Re: Advice for apartment dwelling wannabe builder? (Tedd McHenry)
33. 06:11 PM - Re: Advice for apartment dwelling wannabe builder? (Comp User)
34. 07:10 PM - Re: Oops rivet question (Kevin Horton)
35. 08:03 PM - Re: RV4 Blue Book (Scott Vanartsdalen)
36. 10:56 PM - Re: Great Service (HCRV6@aol.com)
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| Subject: | IFR flight tracking |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Anyone know of a free source for tracking data for private aircraft on IFR flight
plans? I've got company coming today and would like to check their progress
before they cancel IFR and drop in at the house...
Many thanks,
-Stormy / RV-6A
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| Subject: | RE:Price of RV4's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Garrett, Randy L (C4S)" <Randy.L.Garrett@gdc4s.com>
Wow, Bruce, you must have some awesome workmanship. My RV is only worth a fraction
of that amount (;-)
Randy Garrett
N4031P -- RV-6A
300 hours
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Bell" <rv4bell@door.net>
Subject: RV-List: Price of RV4's
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" <rv4bell@door.net>
>
> Hi All,
> Just received a Notice of Appraised Value from the Lubbock Central
Appraisal
> District for my unfinished RV4, still unassembled in the garage, for
> $295,000 dollars! Proposed tax estimate $5,536.55! Aircraft for private
use
> should be exempt from the tax here but the value is out of sight.
>
> Bruce Bell
> Lubbock, Texas
> RV4 # 2888
> N23BB
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Bell" <DBell@ManisteeNational.com>
We weighed our 8 last night and thought it may be interesting news for fellow builders
N266WB came in at 1040 lbs. total weight
No Gear Leg Fairings, Wheelpants, or Paint.
VFR Panel
O-360 w/ Ellison Throttle Body
3 Blade Catto Prop
Doug Bell
Manistee,MI
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--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
does catto props have a URL to learn more about them?
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 Blue Book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Our county tax people here in the California Central Valley just use Trade-A-Plane
to determine value. They take the average of the TAP for sale prices or your
declared value, whichever is more. :-)
At least that's what the remarkably intelligent girl answering the phone said.
| |
sarcasm---------------------+-----------------------------+
(Just in case anyone missed it)
Bruce Bell <rv4bell@door.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell"
Good afternoon all,
Anyone know where to find the Blue Book on a RV4?
Best regards,
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
http://www.cattoprops.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV8ter@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 8 Weight
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
does catto props have a URL to learn more about them?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
Yes, www.cattoprops.com Enjoy, Bruce
>From: RV8ter@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 8 Weight
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:16:47 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
>does catto props have a URL to learn more about them?
>
>
Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life
Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married
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--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
http://www.cattoprops.com/
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
304-872-7938 shop
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
You should be very close to factory print on your finish weight all said and
done. My target weight is to come in at 1050-1060# all said. Fixed, no
vacuum, and simple day/night VFR should do it. Best of luck on test phase I.
Bruce
>From: "Doug Bell" <DBell@ManisteeNational.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: RV 8 Weight
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:48:05 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Bell" <DBell@ManisteeNational.com>
>
>We weighed our 8 last night and thought it may be interesting news for
>fellow builders
>
>N266WB came in at 1040 lbs. total weight
>
>No Gear Leg Fairings, Wheelpants, or Paint.
>
>VFR Panel
>O-360 w/ Ellison Throttle Body
>3 Blade Catto Prop
>
>Doug Bell
>Manistee,MI
>
>
http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
when I last weighted my -8A after the panel upgrades it was 1020#... I want
to weight it again after my overhaul because I took off the primer system
and put on a light weight starter...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV 8 Weight
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
You should be very close to factory print on your finish weight all said and
done. My target weight is to come in at 1050-1060# all said. Fixed, no
vacuum, and simple day/night VFR should do it. Best of luck on test phase I.
Bruce
>From: "Doug Bell" <DBell@ManisteeNational.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: RV 8 Weight
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:48:05 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Bell" <DBell@ManisteeNational.com>
>
>We weighed our 8 last night and thought it may be interesting news for
>fellow builders
>
>N266WB came in at 1040 lbs. total weight
>
>No Gear Leg Fairings, Wheelpants, or Paint.
>
>VFR Panel
>O-360 w/ Ellison Throttle Body
>3 Blade Catto Prop
>
>Doug Bell
>Manistee,MI
>
>
http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition Problem? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
Hey Fred,
Thanks for the help in thinking through my electronic ignition issue.
Turns out everything checked out ok, except one plug wire end. I
reterminated all of the plug ends and one had some black junk at the
end of the wire where it was arcing. After cleaning and reseating the
springs everything is working much better.
- Andy Karmy
andy@karmy.com
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| Subject: | Pacesetter Prop For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "glennpaulwilkinson" <gpww@alltel.net>
Hey Guys:
I have a Pacesetter 200 prop for sale, it is a 68x69, has the urethane leading
edge, 22 hrs flight time. It came off of a RV-4 w/ 160 HP but should work well
with 150 HP too since it has less pitch than what I wanted. It is a good intermediate
between a cruise and climb prop. I am asking -$600.00 which includes
the 3/8 prop bolts.-
Glenn Wilkinson 478-452-6813
gpww@alltel.net
N654RV @ OKZ
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| Subject: | Oops rivet question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Smith" <dave@rv10project.net>
I'm riveting the brackets on the front HS spar of a -10. The called out
rivet is a AN470AD4-10. I wasn't happy w/ how one of them set, so I drilled
it out. Now the hole is large enough that when I squeeze a new -10, I can't
get a big enough shop head.
They make oops rivets to go from AD3 to AD4, but I haven't seen any that go
from AD4 to AD5.
So, do I order some AD5-10's and drill the hole a bit larger, or try an
AD4-11 and try not to cleat it?
------------------------------------------
Dave Smith
http://www.rv10project.net <http://www.rv10project.net/>
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| Subject: | Re: Oops rivet question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Hey Dave
This is what has worked well for me.
if the hole is larger that you original rivet but smaller than the next
size up, you can carefully pre squeeze a slightly longer rivet of the
original size. that will swell the body (and make it a little shorter in
the process).
practise a bit and you will find that you can make the rivet swell just
enough to:
a: fit well in the enlarged hole
b: still put on a good head.
done that several times after I had to drill a rivet out.
good luck.
Gert
Dave Smith wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Smith" <dave@rv10project.net>
>
> I'm riveting the brackets on the front HS spar of a -10. The called out
> rivet is a AN470AD4-10. I wasn't happy w/ how one of them set, so I drilled
> it out. Now the hole is large enough that when I squeeze a new -10, I can't
> get a big enough shop head.
>
> They make oops rivets to go from AD3 to AD4, but I haven't seen any that go
> from AD4 to AD5.
>
> So, do I order some AD5-10's and drill the hole a bit larger, or try an
> AD4-11 and try not to cleat it?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Dave Smith
> http://www.rv10project.net <http://www.rv10project.net/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: Oops rivet question |
--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
I would drill it #12 and insert an AN3 bolt so long as there is no
interference.
Steve
RV7A
Flying
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Smith" <dave@rv10project.net>
>
> I'm riveting the brackets on the front HS spar of a -10. The called out
> rivet is a AN470AD4-10. I wasn't happy w/ how one of them set, so I
> drilled
> it out. Now the hole is large enough that when I squeeze a new -10, I
> can't
> get a big enough shop head.
>
> They make oops rivets to go from AD3 to AD4, but I haven't seen any that
> go
> from AD4 to AD5.
>
> So, do I order some AD5-10's and drill the hole a bit larger, or try an
> AD4-11 and try not to cleat it?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Dave Smith
> http://www.rv10project.net <http://www.rv10project.net/>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oops rivet question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 08:29 2004-06-11, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Smith" <dave@rv10project.net>
>
>I'm riveting the brackets on the front HS spar of a -10. The called out
>rivet is a AN470AD4-10. I wasn't happy w/ how one of them set, so I drilled
>it out. Now the hole is large enough that when I squeeze a new -10, I can't
>get a big enough shop head.
>
>They make oops rivets to go from AD3 to AD4, but I haven't seen any that go
>from AD4 to AD5.
>
>So, do I order some AD5-10's and drill the hole a bit larger, or try an
>AD4-11 and try not to cleat it?
>
>
>------------------------------------------
>Dave Smith
>http://www.rv10project.net <http://www.rv10project.net/>
You can get NAS1097AD-5 and AD-6 rivets (oops rivets in larger sizes). I
don't think that Van's Aircraft carries them. I got mine from Columbia
Airmotive in Troutdale, Oregon. 503-665-4896
Mike McGee
VAF Home Wing/EAA Chapter 105 Flyin Coordinator
June 19th, 2004
Scappoose, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Oops rivet question |
--> RV-List message posted by: plaurence@the-beach.net
Dave
place a small piece of aluminum stock with a little proseal on it and redrill it
to 1/8".
Measure the grip length and re set.
Peter
> I'm riveting the brackets on the front HS spar of a -10. The called
> out rivet is a AN470AD4-10. I wasn't happy w/ how one of them set, so
> I drilled it out. Now the hole is large enough that when I squeeze a
> new -10, I can't get a big enough shop head.
>
> They make oops rivets to go from AD3 to AD4, but I haven't seen any
> that go from AD4 to AD5.
>
> So, do I order some AD5-10's and drill the hole a bit larger, or try
> an AD4-11 and try not to cleat it?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" <Chuck.Rabaut@fresnosheriff.org>
I can confirm that is true for Fresno County Tax Asscessor. Lord it use to be
easy to say "Aw, it's just a pile of aluminum that I build into a plane... it
ain't really worth much." But nowadays with RV's selling for $50,000 - $120,000
life is just getting too darn expensive. I wonder what they're doing with
all our tax dollars. The county don't provide no funding to any airports.
They don't help regulate airspace. Heck-a-doodle they don't do anything related
to flying. Where's that money goin' anyway?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Vanartsdalen
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV4 Blue Book
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Our county tax people here in the California Central Valley just use Trade-A-Plane
to determine value. They take the average of the TAP for sale prices or your
declared value, whichever is more. :-)
At least that's what the remarkably intelligent girl answering the phone said.
| |
sarcasm---------------------+-----------------------------+
(Just in case anyone missed it)
Bruce Bell <rv4bell@door.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell"
Good afternoon all,
Anyone know where to find the Blue Book on a RV4?
Best regards,
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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--> RV-List message posted by: Schilling Karl <Karl.Schilling@ssfhs.org>
Just a quick note to the list to let everyone know about the great service I
have received this past week from two different companies that a lot of us
do business with.
The first was Great Lakes the maker of the EIS engine monitor. I pulled the
wires out of my oil temp. probe and of course it quit working. Don't ask. I
called and talked to Sandy and as always she was very quick to send the
needed part. The other company was LightSPEED headsets. The piece that keeps
the mic. from flopping around had broken. When I called them to ask that
they send me a replacement part they informed me that they didn't have that
part by itself. They then went on to say that they would send the complete
assy. that was needed to fix my problem. When I asked about the cost they
said no charge. I explained the headsets were long out of warranty and they
said no problem. They also paid for the shipping! You can't ask for more
than that. A great big thank you to both companies.
Karl
RV-8
711KN in Indy
do not archive
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| Subject: | Painting rear of firewall |
06/11/2004 03:32:55 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
Is it ok to apply paint to the cockpit side of the firewall? I am getting
ready to paint the interior and didn't know if it would be too hot and
cause problems with the paint.
Don Alexander
RV-8 Fuselage Almost Done
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Great Service |
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
Karl, I believe you are reffering to Grand Rapids Technologies instead of Great
Lakes.
Mark Phipps
Schilling Karl <Karl.Schilling@ssfhs.org> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Schilling Karl
Just a quick note to the list to let everyone know about the great service I
have received this past week from two different companies that a lot of us
do business with.
The first was Great Lakes the maker of the EIS engine monitor. I pulled the
wires out of my oil temp. probe and of course it quit working. Don't ask. I
called and talked to Sandy and as always she was very quick to send the
needed part. The other company was LightSPEED headsets. The piece that keeps
the mic. from flopping around had broken. When I called them to ask that
they send me a replacement part they informed me that they didn't have that
part by itself. They then went on to say that they would send the complete
assy. that was needed to fix my problem. When I asked about the cost they
said no charge. I explained the headsets were long out of warranty and they
said no problem. They also paid for the shipping! You can't ask for more
than that. A great big thank you to both companies.
Karl
RV-8
711KN in Indy
do not archive
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"RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>,
"Aeroelectric List" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Transponder problem found |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
I few days ago I asked for suggestions concerning my GTX327 having intermittent
transmissions as ATC calls it.
After replacing the BNC connectors and the antenna I decided to still get it bench
tested.
After finding a decent shop (not easy) the problem was located. The unit would
pump out 30W instead of the minimum
125W. Tech commented that max range would be 60 nm. I found it to be more like
30 nm at 6000 ft. Not good enough.
The cost to get these things fixed is not cheap. Garmin has a flat rate for each
individual unit and the 327 is $250USD.
Plus I got it looked at locally that cost be $160. Plus FedEx shipping a few times.
You can also get a free loner if you talk
to the Garmin dealer where you bought it. The only cost is shipping. I'll post
the total cost when I get it back. Somewhere
around $600USD. Ouch.
So if you're transponder is intermittent, get it tested. It is rarely the antenna
and BNC connectors problem. But hey its
the easiest thing to trouble shoot.
Steve Hurlbut
RV7A
Flying (no class B for a while)
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| Subject: | Re: Painting rear of firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
It should be ok, I painted the inside of my cowl with the same paint as the
outside of the plane. 130 hrs and no problems........Although if there was
ever a fire in the engine compartment, fumes from the paint could be over
powering.
At 03:39 PM 6/11/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
>
>Is it ok to apply paint to the cockpit side of the firewall? I am getting
>ready to paint the interior and didn't know if it would be too hot and
>cause problems with the paint.
>
>Don Alexander
>RV-8 Fuselage Almost Done
>Do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Painting rear of firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
If you ended up with a fire on the engine side you would get nasty burning
paint fumes in the cockpit almost immediately that could take you out long
before the fire would.
Mike
At 12:39 2004-06-11, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
>
>Is it ok to apply paint to the cockpit side of the firewall? I am getting
>ready to paint the interior and didn't know if it would be too hot and
>cause problems with the paint.
>
>Don Alexander
>RV-8 Fuselage Almost Done
>Do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Schilling Karl <Karl.Schilling@ssfhs.org>
You're right. Brain and fingers are not always on the same page. Sorry
-----Original Message-----
From: mark phipps [mailto:skydive80020@yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Service
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
Karl, I believe you are reffering to Grand Rapids Technologies instead of
Great Lakes.
Mark Phipps
Schilling Karl <Karl.Schilling@ssfhs.org> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Schilling Karl
Just a quick note to the list to let everyone know about the great service I
have received this past week from two different companies that a lot of us
do business with.
The first was Great Lakes the maker of the EIS engine monitor. I pulled the
wires out of my oil temp. probe and of course it quit working. Don't ask. I
called and talked to Sandy and as always she was very quick to send the
needed part. The other company was LightSPEED headsets. The piece that keeps
the mic. from flopping around had broken. When I called them to ask that
they send me a replacement part they informed me that they didn't have that
part by itself. They then went on to say that they would send the complete
assy. that was needed to fix my problem. When I asked about the cost they
said no charge. I explained the headsets were long out of warranty and they
said no problem. They also paid for the shipping! You can't ask for more
than that. A great big thank you to both companies.
Karl
RV-8
711KN in Indy
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| Subject: | Advice for apartment dwelling wannabe builder? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan White" <whited@rpi.edu>
I currently live in a Brooklyn, NY apartment. For those of you not
familiar with the city, living spaces can be a bit small and
apartments generally do not come with garages. We plan on moving in
a couple years, but I've gotten the hardcore building bug and am
anxious to get started on a project.
Any possible shop areas would most likely be very far away and I have
a full time job. Do I wait until better situated? Has anyone
managed a build under similar circumstances? And how did you do it?
Also, from all the build logs I've read there comes a point when the
plane is almost complete and it's trailered up and moved to the
airport hangar for finishing. Does everybody out there have access
to hangar space? I've personally never been to a field that didn't
have a very long waiting list for even the dingiest hangars. What do
people do at that stage of the build if they can't secure any indoor
storage?
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 Blue Book |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
For your best interests, you need to point out to the nice people in the tax
office that Trade a Plane shows Asking prices, not Selling prices. There is
often a significant difference.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV4 Blue Book
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Our county tax people here in the California Central Valley just use
Trade-A-Plane to determine value. They take the average of the TAP for sale
prices or your declared value, whichever is more. :-)
>
> At least that's what the remarkably intelligent girl answering the phone
said.
>
>
> | |
> sarcasm---------------------+-----------------------------+
> (Just in case anyone missed it)
>
> Bruce Bell <rv4bell@door.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell"
>
> Good afternoon all,
> Anyone know where to find the Blue Book on a RV4?
> Best regards,
> Bruce Bell
> Lubbock, Texas
> RV4 # 2888
>
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>
> When a man does all he can
> though it succeeds not well,
> blame not him that did it."
> -- George Washington
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oops rivet question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
If I understand this suggestion correctly, the idea is to create a washer of
sorts for the rivet head to bear on. If this is the case, this isn't a good
technique. Rivets are primarily designed for shear strength, and a fix of
this sort is very poor in shear and not a whole lot better in tension. Now,
if you're attaching platenuts or something cosmetic, it'll be fine, but for
anything that has meaningful structural loads, this is a definite no-no.
Being the builder, it is up to you to identify areas that have meaningful
structural loads.
One thing to consider in the future is that unless you've really screwed up
a rivet, you're probably better to leave a marginal rivets than to drill it
out and replace it. It is awfully hard to drill out a rivet without
enlarging or mis-shaping the hole. This was discussed in an RV-ator article
some years back.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: <plaurence@the-beach.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oops rivet question
> --> RV-List message posted by: plaurence@the-beach.net
>
> Dave
>
> place a small piece of aluminum stock with a little proseal on it and
redrill it to 1/8".
> Measure the grip length and re set.
>
>
> Peter
>
>
> > I'm riveting the brackets on the front HS spar of a -10. The called
> > out rivet is a AN470AD4-10. I wasn't happy w/ how one of them set, so
> > I drilled it out. Now the hole is large enough that when I squeeze a
> > new -10, I can't get a big enough shop head.
> >
> > They make oops rivets to go from AD3 to AD4, but I haven't seen any
> > that go from AD4 to AD5.
> >
> > So, do I order some AD5-10's and drill the hole a bit larger, or try
> > an AD4-11 and try not to cleat it?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | re: Great service |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Hyde" <nauga@brick.net>
> I pulled the wires out of my oil temp.
> probe and of course it quit working.
Must be a bad week for oil temp senders.
Mine failed last weekend. I called Grand Rapids
on Monday and received a new one on Wednesday.
They said to try the new one and pay them
for it if it worked. They've been really
helpful with this and several other issues.
I think the reason it failed was 'cause I shook it
to death. I had my prop balanced today. Went from
0.3+ ips down to 0.05 ips with two runs on the
analyzer. The difference is amazing. Too windy
and too short on time to fly it, I'll find out
later if it took care of the shake at ~2200 RPM
and 120-140 KIAS.
Dave Hyde
nauga@brick.net
RV-4 in flight test, EAA tech counselor
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--> RV-List message posted by: Frank Thackeray <franko1944@yahoo.com>
please do not send me any more emails.
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| Subject: | Advice for apartment dwelling wannabe builder? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
I have heard of one person that built a KR-2 in the living room of their
high rise apartment. Anything can be done. Depends on how tolerant your
wife is!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan White
Subject: RV-List: Advice for apartment dwelling wannabe builder?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan White" <whited@rpi.edu>
I currently live in a Brooklyn, NY apartment. For those of you not
familiar with the city, living spaces can be a bit small and
apartments generally do not come with garages. We plan on moving in
a couple years, but I've gotten the hardcore building bug and am
anxious to get started on a project.
Any possible shop areas would most likely be very far away and I have
a full time job. Do I wait until better situated? Has anyone
managed a build under similar circumstances? And how did you do it?
Also, from all the build logs I've read there comes a point when the
plane is almost complete and it's trailered up and moved to the
airport hangar for finishing. Does everybody out there have access
to hangar space? I've personally never been to a field that didn't
have a very long waiting list for even the dingiest hangars. What do
people do at that stage of the build if they can't secure any indoor
storage?
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Advice for apartment dwelling wannabe builder? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Dan:
From my experience I would say you can build an RV tail darn near anywhere.
The riveting noise might bother your neighbours, but you don't actually spend
very much time bucking rivets on the tail. Most of them you can squeeze.
You could probably build the whole airframe in an apartment, and I'll bet it's
been done, but if you plan to get a more suitable place in a couple of years
anyway I'd recommend you not start the wings until you get it. Better to
conentrate on doing whatever it is you need to do to get into a house with a
proper garage or workshop. That'll save you the trouble of moving the project,
too.
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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| Subject: | Re: Advice for apartment dwelling wannabe builder? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
You have to ask yourself "how bad do I want it?" I built tailfeathers in the
kitchen. Stored wings in the hallway. Worked on them half in the bedroom
sticking out into the living room. The wife asked me one day what kind of
furniture polish to use on the motor. It was in the living room for months.
She dusted it just like it was another piece of furniture. If you are
planing on moving in a couple of years you can get a lot of the small stuff
done now. Look for a place with any kind of garage when you buy. You will
become a master at using the space you have. Check for an EAA group in the
area. They can be a big help and may have some connections. Good luck.
Albert Smith
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| Subject: | Re: Oops rivet question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>
>One thing to consider in the future is that unless you've really screwed up
>a rivet, you're probably better to leave a marginal rivets than to drill it
>out and replace it. It is awfully hard to drill out a rivet without
>enlarging or mis-shaping the hole. This was discussed in an RV-ator article
>some years back.
>
While I agree with the general sentiment of Kyle's suggestion, I
think many new builders simply aren't using a very good technique for
drilling out rivets. I use an adaptation of the following technique,
posted by Leo Davies in 1996:
====================
From: Leo Davies
Subject: Re: RV-List: Drilling out rivets
There may be some metal working gurus out there with more experience but
here are a few tips (painfully acquired).
Like driving rivets drilling them out should be practised on scrap. Set a
dozen rivets in two bits of scrap and practive drilling them out.
Center punch the heads before you start to drill. Use a drill the same size
as the rivet shank but only drill to the depth of the head. Use a drive pin
punch of appropriate size to break the head out. Now finish drilling through
the rivet with a drill that is well undersize. eg #40 for a 1/8 rivet, #50
for a 3/32. You should be able to do this so that you don't touch the
material. You now have a stress relieving hole through the centre of the
rivet. Now have a good look at the whole situation: are there any proud
bits left on the factory head side? If so get a jeweller's file and tidy
up. Now... get some species of gripping pliers and gently turn the rivet in
the hole by holding the shop head. Sometimes with gentle traction the whole
thing will come out like a bolt from a hole.
If not..... now is the time to drive the remaining shaft out. Use the
correct size pin punch. SUPPORT the back of the material!!!. I use a lump
of lead left over from my elevator counter weights with lots of shop head
sized holes drilled in it so that no matter where the rivet is I can support
it from behind. This stops the bending in the back piece of material. You
may need a third hand to help with this. Driving the rivet should not take
much whack. If it doesn't come out with a wristy tap then you have some
proud material somewhere. Stop and look again. If you have expanded the
rivet between the two sheets of material the hole you drilled in the middle
may allow you to crush the rivet with pliers untill there is enough
clearance to wriggle it out.
The above technique works pretty well for me. I do remember being similairly
frustrated in the empennage, the wings much less, the fuselage not at all.
Van's parts are cheap so If you finish with a part you are unhappy with
throw it and order a new one. I have a collection of about 6 "bits" that
have cost me $50 in parts and $100 in postage. Trivial in the cost of the
airplane.
Cheers,
Leo Davies
Sydney, Australia
====================
I do one thing a bit different than Leo - I don't drill the small
hole quite all the way through the rivet. I try to drill just a bit
deeper than the thickness of the two pieces of material the rivet is
holding together. Then I insert a small punch in that hole, and tap
the rivet out. Being sure all the head is removed first, and being
carelful to support the back side of the material. Every once in a
while the piece of rivet will be jammed on the end of the punch after
it comes out of the hole. But a quick twist with a pair of pliers
has always been able to pull the piece of rivet off the punch.
And as Leo said, practice drilling rivets out on some scrap first.
Try drilling out some of those ugly ones you made when you were
practicing riveting.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 Blue Book |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I wish I had the foresight that another list'er showed and called my plane a Scooter
Srap-pile Special. Find that in TAP!
As for your suggestion, you are of course correct. That is very logical approach
and something I would consider but answer this first: What's a good comeback
for "Well I don't know, SIR, that's just how we've always done it." ?
Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
For your best interests, you need to point out to the nice people in the tax
office that Trade a Plane shows Asking prices, not Selling prices. There is
often a significant difference.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen"
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV4 Blue Book
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen
>
> Our county tax people here in the California Central Valley just use
Trade-A-Plane to determine value. They take the average of the TAP for sale
prices or your declared value, whichever is more. :-)
>
> At least that's what the remarkably intelligent girl answering the phone
said.
>
>
> sarcasm---------------------+-----------------------------+
> (Just in case anyone missed it)
>
> Bruce Bell wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell"
>
> Good afternoon all,
> Anyone know where to find the Blue Book on a RV4?
> Best regards,
> Bruce Bell
> Lubbock, Texas
> RV4 # 2888
>
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>
> When a man does all he can
> though it succeeds not well,
> blame not him that did it."
> -- George Washington
>
>
ion
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Re: Great Service |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 6/11/04 12:16:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Karl.Schilling@ssfhs.org writes:
<< The first was Great Lakes the maker of the EIS engine monitor. >>
Hey Karl, I agree totally with your sentiment regarding the great service
from these folks, only the name of the company is Grand Rapids, not Great Lakes.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, final assembly
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