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1. 12:11 AM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Mickey Coggins)
2. 05:23 AM - RV 6A FOR SALE !! IFR Certified and more !! (eregensburg@triad.rr.com)
3. 05:55 AM - Minimum Hours for Insurance (Jamie Painter)
4. 06:15 AM - Ailerons travel (bertrv6@highstream.net)
5. 06:28 AM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (Bill VonDane)
6. 06:38 AM - Re: Ailerons travel (Denis Walsh)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
8. 06:40 AM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (David E. Nelson)
9. 06:42 AM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (Denis Walsh)
10. 07:07 AM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (John Helms)
11. 07:32 AM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
12. 07:47 AM - RV-6/7 Fire Extinguisher Location (N223RV@aol.com)
13. 07:49 AM - RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location (N223RV@aol.com)
14. 07:56 AM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (John Helms)
15. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Replacement Viton Brake O-Rings (Laird Owens)
16. 08:24 AM - Re: Garmin/Navaid interface (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
17. 08:27 AM - Re: RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location (Larry Pardue)
18. 08:33 AM - Re: RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
19. 08:51 AM - Re: Ailerons travel (Dan Checkoway)
20. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Replacement Viton Brake O-Rings (Mickey Coggins)
21. 09:14 AM - Re: [VAF Mailing List] RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location (ronlee@pcisys.net)
22. 09:18 AM - Re: RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location (Laird Owens)
23. 09:51 AM - Elevator travel-Triming horn (Richard Suffoletto)
24. 10:14 AM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
25. 10:45 AM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Phil Birkelbach)
26. 10:45 AM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (John Helms)
27. 11:10 AM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (Rob Prior)
28. 11:10 AM - RV-List Tow Bar (Philip Condon)
29. 11:42 AM - Re: RV-List Tow Bar (Gary Zilik)
30. 12:28 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (John Helms)
31. 12:59 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (Ross Schlotthauer)
32. 01:51 PM - Fuel lube source... (Ken Balch)
33. 01:56 PM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Kathleen (rv7))
34. 02:03 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
35. 02:17 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (Vic Jacko)
36. 02:23 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (John Helms)
37. 02:27 PM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Skylor Piper)
38. 02:30 PM - rv-8 switch locations (Geoff Evans)
39. 02:41 PM - Re: Fuel lube source... (Tommy Walker)
40. 02:42 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
41. 02:44 PM - Re: Fuel lube source... (Mike Robertson)
42. 03:02 PM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Richard Tasker)
43. 03:02 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
44. 03:15 PM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Jim Streit)
45. 03:18 PM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Kathleen (rv7))
46. 03:52 PM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Skylor Piper)
47. 04:33 PM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Kathleen (rv7))
48. 04:53 PM - Re: Elevator horn travel limit (Jerry Springer)
49. 05:04 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
50. 05:14 PM - Val INS422 vs Garmin 295 GPS (Dan DeNeal)
51. 05:26 PM - Re: Fuel lube source... (Gert)
52. 06:28 PM - Re: [VAF Mailing List] RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location (Ron Lee)
53. 06:45 PM - Re: rv-8 switch locations (Larry Bowen)
54. 08:14 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (Dave Bristol)
55. 08:25 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (Scott Vanartsdalen)
56. 08:55 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
57. 09:17 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
You are right. If you are on crack, it's better than mine.
When I first did it, I was not measuring deflection, but
the angle of the elevator when at the full up position.
I wasn't taking into account the shape of the elevator,
which reduces the absolute angle of the smart tool reading.
What I suggested, with pretty bad wording, is to do what
you said - put the elevator in the neutral position,
take a reading, deflect the elevator, and read again.
Use complex mathematics to compute the angle deflected.
This is probably so totally obvious to everyone but me
that I should not have mentioned it!
Mickey
>Unless I'm missing something, I don't get your logic. If you put a digital
>protractor on the surface of the elevator (*anywhere* on the surface), take
>a "neutral" reading, and then take the reading at both extremes of travel,
>you can determine the angular deflection that way.
>
>The protractor doesn't have to be on the elevator's chord-wise centerline to
>be accurate. The top skin on the elevator, for example, is at a *fixed*
>relative angle relative to the centerline. If the elevator is deflected 9
>degrees upward, the top skin would likewise be deflected 9 degrees.
>
>I could be on crack, however...so correct me if I'm wrong! 8-)
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>> Silly question - how are you measuring the angle for travel?
>>
>> If you put a "smart tool" or equivalent level on the
>> elevator directly, you will be measuring a lesser
>> angle than the real travel. I did this for a while
>> trying to figure out how to get the required travel,
>> until I went "duh!"
>>
>> If your plane is level, then putting the "smart tool" near
>> the counter balance weights is better, or you can level
>> the elevator, measure the angle, and then measure the
>> angle with full travel.
>>
>> Mickey
>>
>>
>>>I am not able to get the necessary up travel on the elevators
>>>because the most rear horn hits the rear bulk head just as it
>>>reaches the stop. ( 4 degrees short) Consequently taking anymore
>>>off the stop is not going to help. Is it OK to trim away some of
>>>the lower horn to get a few more degrees of travel? Anybody else
>>>run into this?
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | RV 6A FOR SALE !! IFR Certified and more !! |
yankeerv10@yahoo.com.0.8.MANY_EXCLAMATIONS.Subject.has.many.exclamations
--> RV-List message posted by: eregensburg@triad.rr.com
I am selling my RV6A. Price $69,500
1992 RV6A TTSN 2590, SMOH 1151, Lyc O320 fixed Sensinch prop,
KA134 audio panel, Approach certified Garmin 300XL GPS/Com w/ extra card and
subscription for updates thru 1/2005, KX125 Nav/Com, AT 150 Transponder w/ altitude,
KR86 ADF, Singtronix, SPA 400 intercom w/ music plug in, Digital tach, CHT,
Oil
Temp/pressure, heated pitot and more. BUILT TO FLY IFR !!
----- Original Message -----
From: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: WTB RV 6/6A/7/7A
> --> RV-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
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> Hi,
>
> A friend of mine I took to the New England wing of Van's Air
> Force fly-in last week is hot to trot to buy a 6/6A/7/7A! He was
> all set to buy his third Yak but fell in love with the RV's.
> Please, if you know of someone selling, pass on some contact
> info?! He's got cash burning a hole in his pocket!
>
> thanks,
> Chuck Packard
> YankeeRV10@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Fellow Listers:
Since I haven't seen this topic come up on the list for a while and since
it's always changing, I feel now would be a good time to discuss it...the
dreaded 'I' word.
I'm a low time pilot (70 hours) with no advanced ratings, etc. I've been
told by several builders that I will need around 300 hours of
incident-free total time to make my insurance affordable (i.e. there's a
HUGE premium break @ 300 hrs). I contacted the NationAir folks selling
the VanGuard policies and was told that there is only a very slight
premium break ($200/yr at greater than 200 hours).
Do these numbers reflect your experiences? If so, why have I been hearing
this 300 hour number everywhere? Have you low-time flyers found it
difficult to get insured (hull & liability)?
Kind Regards,
Jamie
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RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
HI:
I cannot get the minimum travel, on the ailerons.
Things I have checked and done.
Bell crancks are properly oriented and, distances to bolts 1-3/16 are correct.
Sitcks are, 90o.vertically.
Ailerons held in neutral position, with (pins on bell crancks)in order to
fit the length of tubes Bellcranck/ailerons...
Get 23 up and 13 down.....What else can I check? Stops were removed
as precaution....I canot see what is interfering...
This is a pain, Ay suggestions would be appreciated....
Bert
rv6a
Do Not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Jamie...
When I started flying my -8A I had a total of about 90 hours... I have the
standard liability limits and $51K hull and my premium was about $1400 for
the first year... JT at Nationair told me I would get a break at 200 hrs TT
and I did, my premium is about $1200 now... These numbers are close, but I
don't have the exact amounts right in from of me...
All I needed was a signoff in my logbook to be insured on the first flight,
no minimum hours...
Call JT and he will give you all the details:
John (JT) Helms
Nationair
877 475 5860.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Subject: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Fellow Listers:
Since I haven't seen this topic come up on the list for a while and since
it's always changing, I feel now would be a good time to discuss it...the
dreaded 'I' word.
I'm a low time pilot (70 hours) with no advanced ratings, etc. I've been
told by several builders that I will need around 300 hours of
incident-free total time to make my insurance affordable (i.e. there's a
HUGE premium break @ 300 hrs). I contacted the NationAir folks selling
the VanGuard policies and was told that there is only a very slight
premium break ($200/yr at greater than 200 hours).
Do these numbers reflect your experiences? If so, why have I been hearing
this 300 hour number everywhere? Have you low-time flyers found it
difficult to get insured (hull & liability)?
Kind Regards,
Jamie
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RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons travel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
Check the outboard bracket. On mine the bolt head was contacting the
bracket at the up positions as a limiting factor. Depends on where you
drilled the bolt hole in the bracket. I ground down the bolt head a
little to solve the problem. Just rotating the bolt a little will
sometimes help. If this is your problem and all else fails, drill a
new hole in the bracket which will give more clearance at up aileron.
In any event fix it good. you don't want to be slow on the aileron
rolls.
PS check on how to use smart levels and inclinometers on the list.
Most of us have had that problem too.
Build faster
Denis
On Jun 18, 2004, at 7:16 AM, bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
> HI:
>
>
> I cannot get the minimum travel, on the ailerons.
> Things I have checked and done.
> Bell crancks are properly oriented and, distances to bolts 1-3/16
> are correct.
> Sitcks are, 90o.vertically.
>
>
> Ailerons held in neutral position, with (pins on bell crancks)in
> order to
> fit the length of tubes Bellcranck/ailerons...
>
> Get 23 up and 13 down.....What else can I check? Stops were
> removed
> as precaution....I canot see what is interfering...
>
> This is a pain, Ay suggestions would be appreciated....
>
>
> Bert
>
>
> rv6a
>
>
> Do Not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
In talking to my insurance agent, I asked for a quote without the medical
coverage.
On my policy, the medical provided $1,000 of coverage. Basically, ambulance
and ER up to $1,000. It turns out it cost me $300 a year for this coverage.
And coverage did not apply for the owner.
If you can cover $1,000 of medical expenses yourself (self insured), you
might ask for a quote without medical coverage. Medical coverage seems to be
automatically included.
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Hi Richard,
If memory serves me right (which is questionable sometimes), there is a note in
the that you should _NOT_ notch the elevator horns. Could you possibly adjust
your rod-end bearings a little outward to gain some more movement?
Regards,
/\/elson
Austin, TX
RV-7A
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Richard Suffoletto wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I am not able to get the necessary up travel on the elevators because the
> most rear horn hits the rear bulk head just as it reaches the stop. ( 4
> degrees short) Consequently taking anymore off the stop is not going to help.
> Is it OK to trim away some of the lower horn to get a few more degrees of
> travel? Anybody else run into this?
>
>
> Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
My rule of thumb: If "everyone says" it, it is probably inaccurate.
Call JT. You can take what he tells you to the bank.
Denis (we all had 70 hours once.)
On Jun 18, 2004, at 7:26 AM, Bill VonDane wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Jamie...
>
> When I started flying my -8A I had a total of about 90 hours... I
> have the
> standard liability limits and $51K hull and my premium was about $1400
> for
> the first year... JT at Nationair told me I would get a break at 200
> hrs TT
> and I did, my premium is about $1200 now... These numbers are close,
> but I
> don't have the exact amounts right in from of me...
>
> All I needed was a signoff in my logbook to be insured on the first
> flight,
> no minimum hours...
>
> Call JT and he will give you all the details:
>
> John (JT) Helms
> Nationair
> 877 475 5860.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
> Fellow Listers:
>
> Since I haven't seen this topic come up on the list for a while and
> since
> it's always changing, I feel now would be a good time to discuss
> it...the
> dreaded 'I' word.
>
> I'm a low time pilot (70 hours) with no advanced ratings, etc. I've
> been
> told by several builders that I will need around 300 hours of
> incident-free total time to make my insurance affordable (i.e. there's
> a
> HUGE premium break @ 300 hrs). I contacted the NationAir folks selling
> the VanGuard policies and was told that there is only a very slight
> premium break ($200/yr at greater than 200 hours).
>
> Do these numbers reflect your experiences? If so, why have I been
> hearing
> this 300 hour number everywhere? Have you low-time flyers found it
> difficult to get insured (hull & liability)?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jamie
>
> --
> Jamie D. Painter
> RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
> http://rv.jpainter.org
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Jim,
I think you should check again with your agent as to what you have now and exactly
what it is you've asked him to remove. $300 sounds more like the total cost
for all of the liability coverages (with the medical payments thrown in for
free).
All the companies that we work with (all but AVEMCO the direct writer) include
medical payments for FREE at some level (the lowest being $1000 and the norm being
$3000). You aren't charged for it at all, it comes free with the purchase
of liability coverages. The companies want those medical payment limits on
the policy and normally won't remove them.
The medical payments limit is designed to be an 'easy to get' coverage for someone
who is injured in some minor way (twisted ankle exiting the plane) to get
an ambulance ride and ER visit without having to file a lawsuit against you.
You don't want the coverage to be too high or it becomes a target. If someone
is severely injured or killed then the liability section is still there to protect
you from that more severe liability. If the medical payments limit were
removed, then even the most minor claim would be much harder to handle.
While you are correct that the LIABILITY coverages do not include you, the medical
payments do include you as a crewmember. You have purchased the liability
coverages to defend yourself from lawsuits from others whose property you've
damaged or who've sustained bodily injury due to your ownership/operation of your
plane. But, you too would want coverage under the policy if you break your
hand by closing the canopy on it. I've actually had a claim like that, and
the company paid the limit of the medical payments out for that individual.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
In talking to my insurance agent, I asked for a quote without the medical
coverage.
On my policy, the medical provided $1,000 of coverage. Basically, ambulance
and ER up to $1,000. It turns out it cost me $300 a year for this coverage.
And coverage did not apply for the owner.
If you can cover $1,000 of medical expenses yourself (self insured), you
might ask for a quote without medical coverage. Medical coverage seems to be
automatically included.
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 06/18/2004 7:11:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jhelms@i1.net
writes:
Jim,
I think you should check again with your agent as to what you have now and
exactly what it is you've asked him to remove. $300 sounds more like the total
cost for all of the liability coverages (with the medical payments thrown in
for free).
I did check. I don't have hull insurance, just $1,000,000 liability. $190
per year.
Medical coverage was $300 additional.
I'm sorry if you find it difficult to believe. Ask for a quote to see for
yourself.
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | RV-6/7 Fire Extinguisher Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
Where are people mouting the fire extinguisher in the RV-6/7? I can't seem to
find a good place. Thanks
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| Subject: | RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
For people using oxygen, where and how are you mounting it. I was hoping to put
it right behind the passenger seat between the seat belt tie downs, but it is
too big with the electric flaps. Just wondering what other ideas others have
had.
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
I have no clue whom you are insured with. I would love to know. And I will ask
your insurer for a hypothetical case similar to yours and report my findings
back to this forum to clear this up.
You are confused, though. It isn't that I find what you've said hard to believe,
it's that I know that what you've stated is not true with regards to any 'A'
or better rated insurance company that does business in the US. (There actually
aren't any 'B' or lower rated companies operating in aviation insurance that
I am aware of at the moment, nor would I advise anyone to use one rated that
low.)
I work with every aviation insurance company available (except AVEMCO, but I'm
familiar enough with them.) It sounds as if you are insured by AIG or AVEMCO.
The other carriers have minimum premiums of $400 or more.
AIG's liability coverages come with $1000 of med pay for free. You can't take
it off of the policy. Increasing from $1000 to $3000 only costs $24 for a four
place plane normally so, there is no way that their cost for the $1000 is $300.
AVEMCO I believe automatically includes $3000 of med pay.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 06/18/2004 7:11:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jhelms@i1.net
writes:
Jim,
I think you should check again with your agent as to what you have now and
exactly what it is you've asked him to remove. $300 sounds more like the total
cost for all of the liability coverages (with the medical payments thrown in
for free).
I did check. I don't have hull insurance, just $1,000,000 liability. $190
per year.
Medical coverage was $300 additional.
I'm sorry if you find it difficult to believe. Ask for a quote to see for
yourself.
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: Replacement Viton Brake O-Rings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
The MS replacement for the caliper o-rings is MS28775-218.....
So I'm guessing that the correct Viton o-ring would be 2-218V-75
Gary, I see the phone #, but who what was the name of your supplier?
Laird
On Jun 17, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 6/16/2004 6:58:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> lhelming@sigecom.net writes:
>
> Would you mind very much to make another posting to me or to the list
> and
> identify the part number and where you purchase the replacement Viton
> O-Rings.
> I see from some previous postings a company reference, but no part
> number.
>
>
> ============================================
>
> Actually, I'm slow in responding here because I'm unsure of exactly
> what
> O-ring goes where. You see, four years ago I bought a bunch of
> O-rings for a
> variety of applications on the same invoice. The various O-rings on
> the
> invoice are:
>
> 2-006V-75
> 2-010V-75
> 2-113V-75
> 2-216V-75
> 2-218V-75
>
> I believe that the smaller numbered seals are for inside the master
> cylinders and the caliper O-ring is one of the last two P/Ns listed.
> In 2000 I
> noticed during the preflight that my buna-n (nitrile std) caliper
> O-rings were
> seeping/leaking on the ramp at Henderson, NV after two years of
> flying (FYI, I
> have parking brakes). I managed to get home to LVK without a
> problem, but
> when I pulled them, I could see that they clearly had suffered heat
> distress and
> were taking a square set. Viton ones have been working for four
> years with
> zero problems.
>
> Their phone is 408-727-3995. I hope this helps.
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 701 hrs; last trip, Sedona)
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
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> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin/Navaid interface |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Hi Jim,
See the page 7 in your Navaid manual for Fig. 3. In my manual there are 2
page 7's and 2 Fig. 3's! You want the one titled "WIRING DIAGRAM FOR HAND-HELD
GPS AND AP-1 WITH GPS COUPLER." It shows the Data Out pin of the GPS going to
pin 8 of the Autopilot. Ground of the GPS also needs to go to ground of the
Autopilot (pin 1). You also need to connect 2 jumpers: one from pin 11 to pin
3, and one from pin 12 to pin 6. The pins on the GPS you can find in your
GPS manual or on the internet by searching for "Garmin connector." I used a
twisted pair of wires to make the connection.
A Garmin connector is avaliable at pfranc.com that is only $5 if your GNC
300XL has the same connector as the Garmin 295.
You will need to go to the interface screen on the GPS and enable the NMEA
output. This causes the GPS to send serial (ASCII) data which the Smart Coupler
receives and converts to an analog voltage which comes out pins 11 and 12,
and goes back into pins 3 and 6.
Hope this helps,
Dan Hopper
RV-7A (Taxi testing & waiting for inspection)
In a message dated 6/17/04 11:49:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
jlanglin44@earthlink.net writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <jlanglin44@earthlink.net>
>
> I am having trouble figuring out which pin goes to which pin to navigate
> with input from my Garmin GNC 300XL to my Navaid autopilot. If anyone out
> there has some positive input I will listen. I have the Smart Coupler in my
> autopilot if that helps.
>
> Jim Anglin
> HR II
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
>
> For people using oxygen, where and how are you mounting it.
Vertically on the rear of the electric flap box. The regulator extends up
above the seats and is accessible during flight.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I put my portable unit in front on the spar under my legs.
You did not mention if yours was a portable or not.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N223RV@aol.com
RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com; vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RV-List: RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
For people using oxygen, where and how are you mounting it. I was
hoping to put it right behind the passenger seat between the seat belt
tie downs, but it is too big with the electric flaps. Just wondering
what other ideas others have had.
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons travel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I've got my money on the flap hinge pin!!!!!!
Check it and lemme know if I won the bet... 8-)
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertrv6@highstream.net>
Subject: RV-List: Ailerons travel
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
> HI:
>
>
> I cannot get the minimum travel, on the ailerons.
> Things I have checked and done.
> Bell crancks are properly oriented and, distances to bolts 1-3/16 are
correct.
> Sitcks are, 90o.vertically.
>
>
> Ailerons held in neutral position, with (pins on bell crancks)in order
to
> fit the length of tubes Bellcranck/ailerons...
>
> Get 23 up and 13 down.....What else can I check? Stops were
removed
> as precaution....I canot see what is interfering...
>
> This is a pain, Ay suggestions would be appreciated....
>
>
> Bert
>
>
> rv6a
>
>
> Do Not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Replacement Viton Brake O-Rings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
Just stick the phone number into Google, and you will
find that it is:
Ace Seal Inc, (408) 727-3995, 2065 Martin Ave, Santa Clara, CA 95050
Mickey
At 17:40 18-06-04, Laird Owens wrote:
-----Start of Original Message-----
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
>The MS replacement for the caliper o-rings is MS28775-218.....
>
>So I'm guessing that the correct Viton o-ring would be 2-218V-75
>
>Gary, I see the phone #, but who what was the name of your supplier?
>
>Laird
>
>On Jun 17, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/16/2004 6:58:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> lhelming@sigecom.net writes:
>>
>> Would you mind very much to make another posting to me or to the list
>> and
>> identify the part number and where you purchase the replacement Viton
>> O-Rings.
>> I see from some previous postings a company reference, but no part
>> number.
>>
>>
>> ============================================
>>
>> Actually, I'm slow in responding here because I'm unsure of exactly
>> what
>> O-ring goes where. You see, four years ago I bought a bunch of
>> O-rings for a
>> variety of applications on the same invoice. The various O-rings on
>> the
>> invoice are:
>>
>> 2-006V-75
>> 2-010V-75
>> 2-113V-75
>> 2-216V-75
>> 2-218V-75
>>
>> I believe that the smaller numbered seals are for inside the master
>> cylinders and the caliper O-ring is one of the last two P/Ns listed.
>> In 2000 I
>> noticed during the preflight that my buna-n (nitrile std) caliper
>> O-rings were
>> seeping/leaking on the ramp at Henderson, NV after two years of
>> flying (FYI, I
>> have parking brakes). I managed to get home to LVK without a
>> problem, but
>> when I pulled them, I could see that they clearly had suffered heat
>> distress and
>> were taking a square set. Viton ones have been working for four
>> years with
>> zero problems.
>>
>> Their phone is 408-727-3995. I hope this helps.
>>
>> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A C/S, flying 701 hrs; last trip, Sedona)
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: ronlee@pcisys.net
I made another metal sheet that goes over the removeable metal that covers
the flap actuating mechanism (first panel behind seat at bottom). Then I
mounted the Aerox brackets to that piece. The bottle is mounted
vertically and can be reached by the pilot and easily removed for filling.
I will take a pictures of it when I get home and post it for you.
Ron
Lee
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
I put mine in the aft right corner. Seems to take up less valuable
space then on the flap box, and I can still get to the handle in
flight.
Be sure where ever you put it that the mounting is secure enough that
in an off field landing (20-30g's ? in a sudden stop) that the bottle
can't get loose and become a projectile....ie, if you put a force of
200 lbs on it, would it break loose? I've seen some mounting where I
don't think it would stand that test.
Be safe.
Laird
On Jun 18, 2004, at 8:27 AM, Larry Pardue wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue"
> <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
>>
>> For people using oxygen, where and how are you mounting it.
>
> Vertically on the rear of the electric flap box. The regulator
> extends up
> above the seats and is accessible during flight.
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://n5lp.net
>
>
> _-
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> _-
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> _-
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> _-
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> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Elevator travel-Triming horn |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
Thanks to all who responded to my question on elevator travel. I queried Van's
at the same time and here is their response on triming the elevator horn.
"Yes. The horn may be trimmed to within about 1/2" of the pushrod bolt, although
it probably won't need that much."
On my 7A the most aft elevator horn was also ~ 1/8 inch longer than the other horn.
I'm sure this contributed to the limit on up elevator travel.
Thanks
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 06/18/2004 7:58:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jhelms@i1.net
writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
I have no clue whom you are insured with. I would love to know. And I will
ask your insurer for a hypothetical case similar to yours and report my
findings back to this forum to clear this up.
You are confused, though. It isn't that I find what you've said hard to
believe, it's that I know that what you've stated is not true with regards to any
'A' or better rated insurance company that does business in the US. (There
actually aren't any 'B' or lower rated companies operating in aviation insurance
that I am aware of at the moment, nor would I advise anyone to use one rated
that low.)
Anyone ever wonder why they shouldn't respond on this list. This is why.
I take something I learned (NOT A HYPOTHETICAL CASE) and put it out on the
list for consideration.
From my experience, I suggested that the people on this list could ask about
the medical coverage on their aviation policy.
Why are you so threatened by this? Why are you trying to convince everyone
that they shouldn't ask this question?
Jim Ayers
Arguing with a true believer is like teaching a pig to sing.
It frustrates teacher and irritates the pig.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
My elevator horn hits the bulkhead right at the required up travel, so I
got lucky. I called Van's to make sure that it was okay that the horn
hit the bulkhead before it hit the stop and they were not worried about
it but they did want to make sure that I had the required up travel.
I suspect that you could trim a little on the horns, just make sure that
you don't cut into the 'flanges' and be sure that the edge distances
are okay. I would also call Van's and double check.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
http://www.myrv7.com
Richard Suffoletto wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I am not able to get the necessary up travel on the elevators because the most
rear horn hits the rear bulk head just as it reaches the stop. ( 4 degrees short)
Consequently taking anymore off the stop is not going to help. Is it OK to
trim away some of the lower horn to get a few more degrees of travel? Anybody
else run into this?
>
>
>Richard
>
>
>RV-7A QB
>
>
> Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
I'm not threatened by it. I am telling them the truth. The companies won't do
remove the med pay. It isn't in their best interest, or the insured's best interest.
And med pay certainly doesn't cost what you've indicated.
I do, however, have over 1000 RV customers, and don't want to get 1000 calls about
something like this which A) can't be done anyway, and B) even if it could
be done would only lower the premium by a couple bucks (not $300 as you've indicated.)
As I stated before, even when talking about a 4 place plane, AIG's
charge to increase from their standard $1000 med pay (which is thrown in for free)
to $3000 per person is $12 annually.
You are completely wrong about the "fact" you've stated and I'm trying to set the
record straight. By the way, I think you need to look at your policy again,
because it does have med pay on it. AIG just told me that they would NOT consider
removing med pay from a policy unless the plane was in storage.
It sounds as if you had something more costly removed from your policy and are
confusing that with the medical payments. I think you need to call your agent
and confirm this with him/her.
For my customers - I am sorry to have to say this about anyone on this list, but
don't believe what this guy is saying regarding medical payments on insurance
policies. The med pay is part of the liability coverage and can't be removed
(unless the plane is in storage, perhaps). And the TOTAL liability cost (including
the med pay for free) would only total $330 when purchased with hull coverage
even for a STUDENT PILOT... for more experienced pilots the total liability
cost when purchased with hull coverage is usually $200 annually.)
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 06/18/2004 7:58:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jhelms@i1.net
writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
I have no clue whom you are insured with. I would love to know. And I will
ask your insurer for a hypothetical case similar to yours and report my
findings back to this forum to clear this up.
You are confused, though. It isn't that I find what you've said hard to
believe, it's that I know that what you've stated is not true with regards to
any
'A' or better rated insurance company that does business in the US. (There
actually aren't any 'B' or lower rated companies operating in aviation insurance
that I am aware of at the moment, nor would I advise anyone to use one rated
that low.)
Anyone ever wonder why they shouldn't respond on this list. This is why.
I take something I learned (NOT A HYPOTHETICAL CASE) and put it out on the
list for consideration.
>From my experience, I suggested that the people on this list could ask about
the medical coverage on their aviation policy.
Why are you so threatened by this? Why are you trying to convince everyone
that they shouldn't ask this question?
Jim Ayers
Arguing with a true believer is like teaching a pig to sing.
It frustrates teacher and irritates the pig.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 10:14 18/06/2004 LeastDrag93066@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
> Anyone ever wonder why they shouldn't respond on this list. This is why.
I think this is a better example of why people should try to see the other
person's perspective before replying.
It's clear that you both believe very strongly that what you are posting is
correct. However, it's also clear that either one of you is wrong, or
you're not comparing the same things. Sit back, re-read the thread, and
you'll see that you may be talking about two different things here.
It sounds to me like the "medical coverage" JT is referring to is included
free because it's of the "I cut my finger and need a bandaid" variety...
It's only intended for the small boo-boos, or for the stuff that won't come
under a lawsuit anyway. The medical coverage you're talking about sounds
more like full medical coverage, that could include everything up to
bedside service, surgery, and months of rehab.
Is it possible that the $300/year coverage you mention actually has a $1000
*deductible*? That may explain the difference... I believe JT said the
coverage he referred to was free, but had a $1000 *limit*, no mention of
deductible.
> Why are you so threatened by this? Why are you trying to convince
> everyone that they shouldn't ask this question?
This is quite unfair... JT has been very forthcoming in replying to
Aviation Insurance related questions, and has never (that i've seen)
discouraged someone from asking a question of their insurer. In fact,
quite the opposite, he encourages everyone to get clarification if they
don't understand what the wording of their policy means. It's in the best
interests of both insurers and customers to understand exactly what the
policies cover, to avoid problems later.
> Jim Ayers
> Arguing with a true believer is like teaching a pig to sing.
> It frustrates teacher and irritates the pig.
Rob Prior
"Arguing with someone on the internet is like mud wrestling with a pig...
After a while you realize the pig likes it."
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
We are using a elect powered tow bar on a RV and Bonanza
that is fantastic. It uses a DeWalt elect drill as the power unit and can
push the Bonanza around all day (about 3 to 4 months) between charges, Great
quality unit.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Tow Bar |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@excelgeo.com>
Now the obvious. Who makes it and where can one be got
Gary
Philip Condon wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> We are using a elect powered tow bar on a RV and Bonanza
> that is fantastic. It uses a DeWalt elect drill as the power unit and can
> push the Bonanza around all day (about 3 to 4 months) between charges, Great
> quality unit.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Rob, you know what... thank you. You're correct.
I've been so defensive that my mind has not been clear to fully analyze what Jim
has been saying. When I read YOUR post, it hit me what Jim likely has been
talking about. While he hasn't been using the correct insurance term, I believe
now that he did see a $300 reduction in premium by removing something. But,
I was right in saying it wasn't the med pay. I also use AIG a lot for those
who want to carry liability only as they don't carry a minimum premium and are
often times very competitive, and we use them a LOT for other planes, so we're
very familiar with them. They (and all the companies) always include med pay.
On a one seat plane (Jim owns an RV-3 according to the FAA) if you don't specify
that you'd like to have it quoted as 1 Million excluding passengers, then the
agent likely originally requested 1 Million limited to $100,000 per passenger.
Dropping the passenger limit (which would only be an option if the owner were
the only named pilot) would likely lower the cost significantly (perhaps $300)
in AIG's computer system. I have to guess that is what Jim is talking about.
Med pay, is something completely different. Med pay is as you said for "boo-boo's"
(i.e. your mother-in-law twists her ankle getting off the plane). It's on
their to make little medical claims go away fast for everybody. That is why
the companies want them, and you as the insured should too.
Jim, you can likely confirm the above is what actually happened, and sorry that
we were getting 'sideways'.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Prior
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 10:14 18/06/2004 LeastDrag93066@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
> Anyone ever wonder why they shouldn't respond on this list. This is why.
I think this is a better example of why people should try to see the other
person's perspective before replying.
It's clear that you both believe very strongly that what you are posting is
correct. However, it's also clear that either one of you is wrong, or
you're not comparing the same things. Sit back, re-read the thread, and
you'll see that you may be talking about two different things here.
It sounds to me like the "medical coverage" JT is referring to is included
free because it's of the "I cut my finger and need a bandaid" variety...
It's only intended for the small boo-boos, or for the stuff that won't come
under a lawsuit anyway. The medical coverage you're talking about sounds
more like full medical coverage, that could include everything up to
bedside service, surgery, and months of rehab.
Is it possible that the $300/year coverage you mention actually has a $1000
*deductible*? That may explain the difference... I believe JT said the
coverage he referred to was free, but had a $1000 *limit*, no mention of
deductible.
> Why are you so threatened by this? Why are you trying to convince
> everyone that they shouldn't ask this question?
This is quite unfair... JT has been very forthcoming in replying to
Aviation Insurance related questions, and has never (that i've seen)
discouraged someone from asking a question of their insurer. In fact,
quite the opposite, he encourages everyone to get clarification if they
don't understand what the wording of their policy means. It's in the best
interests of both insurers and customers to understand exactly what the
policies cover, to avoid problems later.
> Jim Ayers
> Arguing with a true believer is like teaching a pig to sing.
> It frustrates teacher and irritates the pig.
Rob Prior
"Arguing with someone on the internet is like mud wrestling with a pig...
After a while you realize the pig likes it."
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Schlotthauer" <rv7maker@hotmail.com>
Jamie,
I am a fellow "low timer" and I have had the NationAir builders risk policy
for several years. I was told a couple of days ago by my agent; that my
yearly rate would be about $2400 until I hit 300 hours total time. It then
will go down a little and then some more when I hit 500 TT and 300 in type.
I don't know the reduction in premium at 300 but at 500 it goes down about
700 bucks. I think it is easy to insure an RV if you are well heeled.
For $2400 per year a guy could fly a rental 172 around for 40 hours and have
a wife that will still let him sleep in the bedroom. In hind sight....I'd
still build the RV!
Ross
RV-7 finishing in Idaho
>From: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
>
>Fellow Listers:
>
>Since I haven't seen this topic come up on the list for a while and since
>it's always changing, I feel now would be a good time to discuss it...the
>dreaded 'I' word.
>
>I'm a low time pilot (70 hours) with no advanced ratings, etc. I've been
>told by several builders that I will need around 300 hours of
>incident-free total time to make my insurance affordable (i.e. there's a
>HUGE premium break @ 300 hrs). I contacted the NationAir folks selling
>the VanGuard policies and was told that there is only a very slight
>premium break ($200/yr at greater than 200 hours).
>
>Do these numbers reflect your experiences? If so, why have I been hearing
>this 300 hour number everywhere? Have you low-time flyers found it
>difficult to get insured (hull & liability)?
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Jamie
>
>--
>Jamie D. Painter
>RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
>http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel lube source... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
Can anyone point me to a current source of Fuel Lube? The real stuff,
not the 'EZ Turn' product that seems to have taken its place everywhere.
Love that peanut butter... :-)
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
M-12 N612KB (finishing lower left wing)
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| Subject: | Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us>
OK Phil, I must be confused about what you guys are discussing. According
to the builders' manual, "It will probably be necessary to remove the bottom
flange of the HS-603PP to allow the elevator horns enough swing." On my
DWG-3 (of the HS) it says, pointing to the lower flange, "Trim HS rear spar
to allow elevator horns to pivot forward and contact the elevator 'down'
control stop."
Nowhere does it say anything about trimming the horns. Are you talking
about something else or making the case that the plans are wrong?
Kathleen,
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Birkelbach
Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator horn travel limit
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
My elevator horn hits the bulkhead right at the required up travel, so I got
lucky. I called Van's to make sure that it was okay that the horn hit the
bulkhead before it hit the stop and they were not worried about it but they
did want to make sure that I had the required up travel.
I suspect that you could trim a little on the horns, just make sure that you
don't cut into the 'flanges' and be sure that the edge distances are okay.
I would also call Van's and double check.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
http://www.myrv7.com
Richard Suffoletto wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
>--> <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I am not able to get the necessary up travel on the elevators because the
most rear horn hits the rear bulk head just as it reaches the stop. ( 4
degrees short) Consequently taking anymore off the stop is not going to
help. Is it OK to trim away some of the lower horn to get a few more degrees
of travel? Anybody else run into this?
>
>
>Richard
>
>
>RV-7A QB
>
>
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Events.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 06/18/2004 12:35:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jhelms@i1.net writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Rob, you know what... thank you. You're correct.
I've been so defensive that my mind has not been clear to fully analyze what
Jim has been saying. When I read YOUR post, it hit me what Jim likely has
been talking about. While he hasn't been using the correct insurance term
Yes. How stupid of me to use the wrong insurance term.
This is exactly why I am NOT willing to share what I have learned about
performance improvement with the LIST.
There is ALWAYS someone VERY WILLING to CRITICIZE before they think.
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
RV-3 N47RV 125 hp = RV-3 N51RV 160 hp
You figure out how to make a 35 hp difference in performance. I'm not
talking!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Jim, I for one want your opinions. If anyone in the future criticizes you
we will form a squadron and drop flower bags on his house, swimming pool and
hanger!
Vic
A thirst for knowledge that exceeds my desire for almost any thing else
except ---
----- Original Message -----
From: <LeastDrag93066@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 06/18/2004 12:35:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jhelms@i1.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> Rob, you know what... thank you. You're correct.
>
> I've been so defensive that my mind has not been clear to fully analyze
what
> Jim has been saying. When I read YOUR post, it hit me what Jim likely has
> been talking about. While he hasn't been using the correct insurance term
>
> Yes. How stupid of me to use the wrong insurance term.
>
> This is exactly why I am NOT willing to share what I have learned about
> performance improvement with the LIST.
>
> There is ALWAYS someone VERY WILLING to CRITICIZE before they think.
>
> Jim Ayers
> Less Drag Products, Inc.
> RV-3 N47RV 125 hp = RV-3 N51RV 160 hp
> You figure out how to make a 35 hp difference in performance. I'm not
> talking!!!!!
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Wow. You use the wrong term, and I'm to blame. That's new.
Hope the list learned a lesson about dealing with you. I was right all along,
and you cannot admit it. At least I admitted that my mind wasn't open enough
initially to see that you were merely using the wrong term.
If you look back at my original posts, I asked that you verify it with your agent,
but you insisted you had and that you were correct (which you weren't by the
way.)
Perhaps you could have said, "Wow, you are right, I mispoke. There is medical pay
on my policy. I was talking about passenger liability."
How do you feel about your advice to other builders to call and get med pay removed
from their policy? I'm sure glad I was paying attention to the list today.
I hope I saved all my customers, my receptionist and myself 1000 phonecalls.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 06/18/2004 12:35:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jhelms@i1.net writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Rob, you know what... thank you. You're correct.
I've been so defensive that my mind has not been clear to fully analyze what
Jim has been saying. When I read YOUR post, it hit me what Jim likely has
been talking about. While he hasn't been using the correct insurance term
Yes. How stupid of me to use the wrong insurance term.
This is exactly why I am NOT willing to share what I have learned about
performance improvement with the LIST.
There is ALWAYS someone VERY WILLING to CRITICIZE before they think.
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
RV-3 N47RV 125 hp RV-3 N51RV 160 hp
You figure out how to make a 35 hp difference in performance. I'm not
talking!!!!!
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| Subject: | Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Kathleen,
You simply CANNOT assume that just because a potential
issue isn't mentioned in the builder's manual, then it
must be a non existent problem in the real world.
Van's builder's manual is simply meant to be a general
guide for construction, and while it will point out
some potential issues, many many others go completely
unmentioned.
When you begin actually building "the rest" of your
kit, you will quickly find that the builder's manual
is much less detailed for the wings and fuse than it
was for the empennage.
Skylor
RV-8 QB
Under Construction
N808SJ Reserved
--- "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)"
> <Kathleen@rv7.us>
>
> OK Phil, I must be confused about what you guys are
> discussing. According
> to the builders' manual, "It will probably be
> necessary to remove the bottom
> flange of the HS-603PP to allow the elevator horns
> enough swing." On my
> DWG-3 (of the HS) it says, pointing to the lower
> flange, "Trim HS rear spar
> to allow elevator horns to pivot forward and contact
> the elevator 'down'
> control stop."
>
> Nowhere does it say anything about trimming the
> horns. Are you talking
> about something else or making the case that the
> plans are wrong?
>
> Kathleen,
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Phil Birkelbach
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator horn travel limit
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach
> <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> My elevator horn hits the bulkhead right at the
> required up travel, so I got
> lucky. I called Van's to make sure that it was okay
> that the horn hit the
> bulkhead before it hit the stop and they were not
> worried about it but they
> did want to make sure that I had the required up
> travel.
>
> I suspect that you could trim a little on the horns,
> just make sure that you
> don't cut into the 'flanges' and be sure that the
> edge distances are okay.
> I would also call Van's and double check.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
> http://www.myrv7.com
>
>
> Richard Suffoletto wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
>
> >--> <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >I am not able to get the necessary up travel on the
> elevators because the
> most rear horn hits the rear bulk head just as it
> reaches the stop. ( 4
> degrees short) Consequently taking anymore off the
> stop is not going to
> help. Is it OK to trim away some of the lower horn
> to get a few more degrees
> of travel? Anybody else run into this?
> >
> >
> >Richard
> >
> >
> >RV-7A QB
> >
> >
> > Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the
> latest trends at MSN Life
> Events.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
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> any other
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>
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| Subject: | rv-8 switch locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
From what I can tell, there seems to be about an even split between people
who have put light switches on the right side console and people who have put
them somewhere on the instrument panel.
I'm looking for feedback from people with completed and flying RV-8/8As. Did
you put switches on that right side console, or did you put them on the
forward panel? Did you wish you had done it differently? What do you see as
the good and bad points of your chosen mounting location?
I'm trying to decide whether or not to use that right side switch console for
switches, and I'm looking for some pros and cons.
Thanks.
-Geoff
RV-8 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel lube source... |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:41:46 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Got mine from Aircraft Spruce.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Balch
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel lube source...
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
Can anyone point me to a current source of Fuel Lube? The real stuff,
not the 'EZ Turn' product that seems to have taken its place everywhere.
Love that peanut butter... :-)
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
M-12 N612KB (finishing lower left wing)
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/18/2004 4:06:39 PM Central Standard Time,
LeastDrag93066@aol.com writes:
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
RV-3 N47RV 125 hp = RV-3 N51RV 160 hp
You figure out how to make a 35 hp difference in performance. I'm not
talking!!!!!
Mr. Ayers, why don't u go join the groutchy old fart's forum....
Doug Preston
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| Subject: | Fuel lube source... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Ken,
Avery tools carries it.
Mike R.
Do Not Archive
>From: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: "rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Fuel lube source...
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:49:50 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
>
>Can anyone point me to a current source of Fuel Lube? The real stuff,
>not the 'EZ Turn' product that seems to have taken its place everywhere.
>
>Love that peanut butter... :-)
>
>Regards,
>Ken Balch
>RV-8 N118KB
>M-12 N612KB (finishing lower left wing)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
Ha! Try the finish kit if you really want less detailed!
The way I have seen it explained, the empennage kit includes detailed
step-by-step instructions and detailed exploded drawings because they
assume that you know nothing about building a plane. As you move along
in the kits you get less and less detail in the instructions and less
detail in the drawings.because Van's figures that if you got that far
you have a pretty good idea what you are doing so you don't need so much
hand-holding.
Dick Tasker, #90573
Do not archive
Skylor Piper wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>
>Kathleen,
>
>You simply CANNOT assume that just because a potential
>issue isn't mentioned in the builder's manual, then it
>must be a non existent problem in the real world.
>
>Van's builder's manual is simply meant to be a general
>guide for construction, and while it will point out
>some potential issues, many many others go completely
>unmentioned.
>
>When you begin actually building "the rest" of your
>kit, you will quickly find that the builder's manual
>is much less detailed for the wings and fuse than it
>was for the empennage.
>
>Skylor
>RV-8 QB
>Under Construction
>N808SJ Reserved
>
>--- "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us> wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)"
>><Kathleen@rv7.us>
>>
>>OK Phil, I must be confused about what you guys are
>>discussing. According
>>to the builders' manual, "It will probably be
>>necessary to remove the bottom
>>flange of the HS-603PP to allow the elevator horns
>>enough swing." On my
>>DWG-3 (of the HS) it says, pointing to the lower
>>flange, "Trim HS rear spar
>>to allow elevator horns to pivot forward and contact
>>the elevator 'down'
>>control stop."
>>
>>Nowhere does it say anything about trimming the
>>horns. Are you talking
>>about something else or making the case that the
>>plans are wrong?
>>
>>Kathleen,
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
>>Behalf Of Phil Birkelbach
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator horn travel limit
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach
>><phil@petrasoft.net>
>>
>>My elevator horn hits the bulkhead right at the
>>required up travel, so I got
>>lucky. I called Van's to make sure that it was okay
>>that the horn hit the
>>bulkhead before it hit the stop and they were not
>>worried about it but they
>>did want to make sure that I had the required up
>>travel.
>>
>>I suspect that you could trim a little on the horns,
>>just make sure that you
>>don't cut into the 'flanges' and be sure that the
>>edge distances are okay.
>>I would also call Van's and double check.
>>
>>Godspeed,
>>
>>Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
>>RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
>>http://www.myrv7.com
>>
>>
>>Richard Suffoletto wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
>>>
>>>
>>>--> <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am not able to get the necessary up travel on the
>>>
>>>
>>elevators because the
>>most rear horn hits the rear bulk head just as it
>>reaches the stop. ( 4
>>degrees short) Consequently taking anymore off the
>>stop is not going to
>>help. Is it OK to trim away some of the lower horn
>>to get a few more degrees
>>of travel? Anybody else run into this?
>>
>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>RV-7A QB
>>>
>>>
>>>Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the
>>>
>>>
>>latest trends at MSN Life
>>Events.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>>
>>
>>
>>Contributions
>>any other
>>Forums.
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/chat
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
>>http://www.matronics.com/archives
>>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>>http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 06/18/2004 2:44:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/18/2004 4:06:39 PM Central Standard Time,
LeastDrag93066@aol.com writes:
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
RV-3 N47RV 125 hp = RV-3 N51RV 160 hp
You figure out how to make a 35 hp difference in performance. I'm not
talking!!!!!
Mr. Ayers, why don't u go join the groutchy old fart's forum....
Doug Preston
How nice of you, Mr. Preston.
However, it's what I DON'T join that will make the difference.
BYE!
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Streit <wooody04@bellsouth.net>
You're not!!!!!
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Unless I'm missing something, I don't get your logic. If you put a digital
>protractor on the surface of the elevator (*anywhere* on the surface), take
>a "neutral" reading, and then take the reading at both extremes of travel,
>you can determine the angular deflection that way.
>
>The protractor doesn't have to be on the elevator's chord-wise centerline to
>be accurate. The top skin on the elevator, for example, is at a *fixed*
>relative angle relative to the centerline. If the elevator is deflected 9
>degrees upward, the top skin would likewise be deflected 9 degrees.
>
>I could be on crack, however...so correct me if I'm wrong! 8-)
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator horn travel limit
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>
>>Silly question - how are you measuring the angle for travel?
>>
>>If you put a "smart tool" or equivalent level on the
>>elevator directly, you will be measuring a lesser
>>angle than the real travel. I did this for a while
>>trying to figure out how to get the required travel,
>>until I went "duh!"
>>
>>If your plane is level, then putting the "smart tool" near
>>the counter balance weights is better, or you can level
>>the elevator, measure the angle, and then measure the
>>angle with full travel.
>>
>>Mickey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am not able to get the necessary up travel on the elevators
>>>because the most rear horn hits the rear bulk head just as it
>>>reaches the stop. ( 4 degrees short) Consequently taking anymore
>>>off the stop is not going to help. Is it OK to trim away some of
>>>the lower horn to get a few more degrees of travel? Anybody else run into
>>>
>>>
>this?
>
>
>>--
>>Mickey Coggins
>>http://www.rv8.ch/
>>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us>
Skylor,
That's great advice, but perhaps you missed the point that since the plans
seem to directly contradict what Phil was saying (don't cut into the
'flanges'), I was asking if the suggestion was to ignore the plans. You
didn't offer anything on that point, but I'm sure everyone will find your
advice on assumptions and the value of the plans as useful as I do.
So, at the risk of putting yourself on the spot, do you trim the flange or
not?
Kathleen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skylor Piper
Subject: RE: RV-List: Elevator horn travel limit
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Kathleen,
You simply CANNOT assume that just because a potential issue isn't mentioned
in the builder's manual, then it must be a non existent problem in the real
world.
Van's builder's manual is simply meant to be a general guide for
construction, and while it will point out some potential issues, many many
others go completely unmentioned.
When you begin actually building "the rest" of your kit, you will quickly
find that the builder's manual is much less detailed for the wings and fuse
than it was for the empennage.
Skylor
RV-8 QB
Under Construction
N808SJ Reserved
--- "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)"
> <Kathleen@rv7.us>
>
> OK Phil, I must be confused about what you guys are discussing.
> According to the builders' manual, "It will probably be necessary to
> remove the bottom flange of the HS-603PP to allow the elevator horns
> enough swing." On my
> DWG-3 (of the HS) it says, pointing to the lower flange, "Trim HS rear
> spar to allow elevator horns to pivot forward and contact the elevator
> 'down'
> control stop."
>
> Nowhere does it say anything about trimming the horns. Are you
> talking about something else or making the case that the plans are
> wrong?
>
> Kathleen,
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil
> Birkelbach
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator horn travel limit
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach
> <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> My elevator horn hits the bulkhead right at the required up travel, so
> I got lucky. I called Van's to make sure that it was okay that the
> horn hit the bulkhead before it hit the stop and they were not worried
> about it but they did want to make sure that I had the required up
> travel.
>
> I suspect that you could trim a little on the horns, just make sure
> that you don't cut into the 'flanges' and be sure that the edge
> distances are okay.
> I would also call Van's and double check.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
> http://www.myrv7.com
>
>
> Richard Suffoletto wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
>
> >--> <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >I am not able to get the necessary up travel on the
> elevators because the
> most rear horn hits the rear bulk head just as it reaches the stop. (
> 4 degrees short) Consequently taking anymore off the stop is not going
> to help. Is it OK to trim away some of the lower horn to get a few
> more degrees of travel? Anybody else run into this?
> >
> >
> >Richard
> >
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
I was really referring to these two quotes:
"Are you sure your problem is with "up"? Normally,
you must notch the
HS-603PP flange to get adequate down travel, but I
don't think there should
be any interference with up travel."
and
"According to the builders' manual,..."
FYI, The note on drawing 3 refers to clearancing the
HS-603PP flange to achieve required elevator DOWN
travel. Phil stated that his problem is lack of
required UP travel because the horn hits the bulkhead.
This is not addressed in the drawings & instructions.
This is probably an issue in Phil's case because of
Vans' often poorly aligned weldments.
--- "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)"
> <Kathleen@rv7.us>
>
> Skylor,
> That's great advice, but perhaps you missed the
> point that since the plans
> seem to directly contradict what Phil was saying
> (don't cut into the
> 'flanges'), I was asking if the suggestion was to
> ignore the plans. You
> didn't offer anything on that point, but I'm sure
> everyone will find your
> advice on assumptions and the value of the plans as
> useful as I do.
>
> So, at the risk of putting yourself on the spot, do
> you trim the flange or
> not?
>
> Kathleen
>
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| Subject: | Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us>
Skylor, thanks for answering the question.
Kathleen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skylor Piper
Subject: RE: RV-List: Elevator horn travel limit
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
I was really referring to these two quotes:
"Are you sure your problem is with "up"? Normally, you must notch the
HS-603PP flange to get adequate down travel, but I don't think there should
be any interference with up travel."
and
"According to the builders' manual,..."
FYI, The note on drawing 3 refers to clearancing the HS-603PP flange to
achieve required elevator DOWN travel. Phil stated that his problem is lack
of required UP travel because the horn hits the bulkhead.
This is not addressed in the drawings & instructions.
This is probably an issue in Phil's case because of Vans' often poorly
aligned weldments.
--- "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)"
> <Kathleen@rv7.us>
>
> Skylor,
> That's great advice, but perhaps you missed the point that since the
> plans seem to directly contradict what Phil was saying (don't cut into
> the 'flanges'), I was asking if the suggestion was to ignore the
> plans. You didn't offer anything on that point, but I'm sure everyone
> will find your advice on assumptions and the value of the plans as
> useful as I do.
>
> So, at the risk of putting yourself on the spot, do you trim the
> flange or not?
>
> Kathleen
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator horn travel limit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
I can match and up you one, I had 100 hours on my RV-6 before I got the
finish kit drawings. :-) (true story)
Jerry
do not archive
Richard Tasker wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
>
>Ha! Try the finish kit if you really want less detailed!
>
>The way I have seen it explained, the empennage kit includes detailed
>step-by-step instructions and detailed exploded drawings because they
>assume that you know nothing about building a plane. As you move along
>in the kits you get less and less detail in the instructions and less
>detail in the drawings.because Van's figures that if you got that far
>you have a pretty good idea what you are doing so you don't need so much
>hand-holding.
>
>Dick Tasker, #90573
>
>Do not archive
>
>Skylor Piper wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Kathleen,
>>
>>You simply CANNOT assume that just because a potential
>>issue isn't mentioned in the builder's manual, then it
>>must be a non existent problem in the real world.
>>
>>Van's builder's manual is simply meant to be a general
>>guide for construction, and while it will point out
>>some potential issues, many many others go completely
>>unmentioned.
>>
>>When you begin actually building "the rest" of your
>>kit, you will quickly find that the builder's manual
>>is much less detailed for the wings and fuse than it
>>was for the empennage.
>>
>>Skylor
>>RV-8 QB
>>Under Construction
>>N808SJ Reserved
>>
>>--- "Kathleen (rv7)" <Kathleen@rv7.us> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kathleen (rv7)"
>>><Kathleen@rv7.us>
>>>
>>>OK Phil, I must be confused about what you guys are
>>>discussing. According
>>>to the builders' manual, "It will probably be
>>>necessary to remove the bottom
>>>flange of the HS-603PP to allow the elevator horns
>>>enough swing." On my
>>>DWG-3 (of the HS) it says, pointing to the lower
>>>flange, "Trim HS rear spar
>>>to allow elevator horns to pivot forward and contact
>>>the elevator 'down'
>>>control stop."
>>>
>>>Nowhere does it say anything about trimming the
>>>horns. Are you talking
>>>about something else or making the case that the
>>>plans are wrong?
>>>
>>>Kathleen,
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
>>>Behalf Of Phil Birkelbach
>>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator horn travel limit
>>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach
>>><phil@petrasoft.net>
>>>
>>>My elevator horn hits the bulkhead right at the
>>>required up travel, so I got
>>>lucky. I called Van's to make sure that it was okay
>>>that the horn hit the
>>>bulkhead before it hit the stop and they were not
>>>worried about it but they
>>>did want to make sure that I had the required up
>>>travel.
>>>
>>>I suspect that you could trim a little on the horns,
>>>just make sure that you
>>>don't cut into the 'flanges' and be sure that the
>>>edge distances are okay.
>>>I would also call Van's and double check.
>>>
>>>Godspeed,
>>>
>>>Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
>>>RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Panel
>>>http://www.myrv7.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Richard Suffoletto wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--> <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I am not able to get the necessary up travel on the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>elevators because the
>>>most rear horn hits the rear bulk head just as it
>>>reaches the stop. ( 4
>>>degrees short) Consequently taking anymore off the
>>>stop is not going to
>>>help. Is it OK to trim away some of the lower horn
>>>to get a few more degrees
>>>of travel? Anybody else run into this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>RV-7A QB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>latest trends at MSN Life
>>>Events.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Contributions
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>>>Forums.
>>>
>>>http://www.matronics.com/chat
>>>
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>>>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/18/2004 5:04:47 PM Central Standard Time,
LeastDrag93066@aol.com writes:
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
RV-3 N47RV 125 hp = RV-3 N51RV 160 hp
You figure out how to make a 35 hp difference in performance. I'm not
talking!!!!!
Mr. Ayers, why don't u go join the groutchy old fart's forum....
Doug Preston
How nice of you, Mr. Preston.
However, it's what I DON'T join that will make the difference.
BYE!
GOOD RIDDANCE !
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| Subject: | Val INS422 vs Garmin 295 GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
I have just installed the Val Ins 422 (digital VOR gauge) in my RV6a. I was at
3000 ft msl and flying to our local VOR. The Garmin 295 said I need to fly 011
heading to get to the VOR which was 6 miles away. I then asked the Ins 422 to
find the bearing to the VOR. It said I need to fly 354 heading to the VOR.
I have tried several other directions and the difference is always 17 or 18 degrees
different from each other. The GPS always gets me to the VOR. My question
is "Should those two numbers be closer together or even the same?"
The VOR antenna is from Bob Archer in the wingtip.
Maybe I need to talk to someone at VAL, but since they are closed untill Monday,
I thought I would ask the RV-list.
Dan DeNeal
N256GD (156 hours)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel lube source... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
As far as I can tell, fuelube is no longer made, for some years now.
EZ-turn = fuelube under a new name and best of all available in smaller
quatities.
Gert
Mike Robertson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>
> Ken,
>
> Avery tools carries it.
>
> Mike R.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>>From: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>To: "rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RV-List: Fuel lube source...
>>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:49:50 -0400
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
>>
>>Can anyone point me to a current source of Fuel Lube? The real stuff,
>>not the 'EZ Turn' product that seems to have taken its place everywhere.
>>
>>Love that peanut butter... :-)
>>
>>Regards,
>>Ken Balch
>>RV-8 N118KB
>>M-12 N612KB (finishing lower left wing)
>>
>>
>
>
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rv7-list@matronics.com, vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Here are my pics. Note the doubled sheet aluminum that is riveted to
the original cover over the flap hinge area. Then the two clamps are
bolted through that assembly. Reinstall all original screws. Been installed
for a year with no problems.
Some pics may need to be turned 90% for correct orientation. I forgot!
In pic #2 you can see the lower portion of the passenger seat back metal.
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Oxygen/O2Bottle1.jpg
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Oxygen/O2Bottle2.jpg
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Oxygen/O2Bottle4.jpg
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Oxygen/O2Bottle5.jpg
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | rv-8 switch locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I tried to organize mine so that pre-takeoff switches are on the console and
switches used in flight are on the lower left hand side of the panel. I
shouldn't have to switch anything with my right hand after the mag check
(except stick mounted switches) until I'm shutting down or something odd is
happening.........
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 in progress
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Evans [mailto:hellothaimassage@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 5:31 PM
> To: RV List
> Subject: RV-List: rv-8 switch locations
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans
> <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
>
> >From what I can tell, there seems to be about an even split between
> >people
> who have put light switches on the right side console and
> people who have put them somewhere on the instrument panel.
>
> I'm looking for feedback from people with completed and
> flying RV-8/8As. Did you put switches on that right side
> console, or did you put them on the forward panel? Did you
> wish you had done it differently? What do you see as the good
> and bad points of your chosen mounting location?
>
> I'm trying to decide whether or not to use that right side
> switch console for switches, and I'm looking for some pros and cons.
>
> Thanks.
> -Geoff
> RV-8 QB
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Great going kids! Now we've run off ANOTHER good list contributor.
Obviously Jim was having a bad day but that's no reason for the rest of
us to act like children.
Dave
DO NOT ARCHIVE
DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com wrote:
>Mr. Ayers, why don't u go join the groutchy old fart's forum....
>Doug Preston
>
>How nice of you, Mr. Preston.
>
>However, it's what I DON'T join that will make the difference.
>
>BYE!
>GOOD RIDDANCE !
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Cut him some slack JT. I've spoken to you on the phone and you've dressed me down
for not speaking in the correct terms. We're all pilots and builders here,
not insurance agents. Try to think out of the box a little bit and listen to
what we're trying to say. We're not lawyers (well most of us aren't) so we
don't talk like lawyers.
That's really not a flame. I respect JT for REALLY devoting himself to his chosen
profession. I certainly can't fault his knowledge of the insurance industry.
John Helms <jhelms@i1.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms"
Wow. You use the wrong term, and I'm to blame. That's new.
Hope the list learned a lesson about dealing with you. I was right all along, and
you cannot admit it. At least I admitted that my mind wasn't open enough initially
to see that you were merely using the wrong term.
If you look back at my original posts, I asked that you verify it with your agent,
but you insisted you had and that you were correct (which you weren't by the
way.)
Perhaps you could have said, "Wow, you are right, I mispoke. There is medical pay
on my policy. I was talking about passenger liability."
How do you feel about your advice to other builders to call and get med pay removed
from their policy? I'm sure glad I was paying attention to the list today.
I hope I saved all my customers, my receptionist and myself 1000 phonecalls.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 06/18/2004 12:35:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jhelms@i1.net writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms"
Rob, you know what... thank you. You're correct.
I've been so defensive that my mind has not been clear to fully analyze what
Jim has been saying. When I read YOUR post, it hit me what Jim likely has
been talking about. While he hasn't been using the correct insurance term
Yes. How stupid of me to use the wrong insurance term.
This is exactly why I am NOT willing to share what I have learned about
performance improvement with the LIST.
There is ALWAYS someone VERY WILLING to CRITICIZE before they think.
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
RV-3 N47RV 125 hp RV-3 N51RV 160 hp
You figure out how to make a 35 hp difference in performance. I'm not
talking!!!!!
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
I received an answer directly from John Helms.
As an attempt to summary today's exchange:
In my original Email, my description of being "without medical coverage" was
totally unacceptable to Mr. Helms.
My description of the "medical coverage" was very poorly written.
As I understood from Mr. Helms comments; a single place aircraft (and
multi-place aircraft always flown without crew or passengers) can have an insurance
policy written with liability coverage, without hull coverage and WITHOUT
MEDICAL COVERAGE.
What John Helms had difficulty getting around to saying is that if passengers
or crew are carried on the aircraft, then the insurance company is required
to provide the medical coverage in the insurance contract.
What is the result of this discussion to me?
My RV-3 insurance is liability coverage only. (The $300. No medical coverage.
No one else flies it.)
My RV-6A insurance includes medical coverage to cover nonowner pilots and
passengers.
My HR2 insurance will include medical coverage. There will also be a supply
of sick sacks. More for the front seat than the passenger. :-)
"med pay" I love those buzz words. Reminds me of when I worked at a big
company.
"med pay" will not be part of any of these policies, unless it is truly free.
According to my policy; if someone is hurt other than the aircraft owner, it
covers the cost of the ambulance ride to the ER. If it is a short ride,
what's left goes towards ER costs only. The aircraft owner is not covered.
(Gee. I sure hope I'm clearer this time.)
As John Helms has already determined, my "little RV-3" and RV-6A are insured
through AIG. My agent is Trish at SkySmith Insurance Agency. (800) 743-1439
I apologize to the list for not saying enough about my insurance situation
for clarity.
And I apologize to the list for the previous exchanges of extreme bandwidth
taken today with no apparent clarification.
Jim Ayers
And I especially apologize to "the kid", Doug Preston, whoever you are. :-)
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--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
No problem, I apologize to u Jim and everyone else. Just one of those days I
guess.
Ya'll have a good weekend. Lets go fly....................
Doug Preston
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
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