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1. 01:21 AM - plans (Wheeler North)
2. 04:25 AM - Re: Ailerons travel (Richard V. Reynolds)
3. 04:45 AM - Rocky Mountain oil pressure sender (Doug Rozendaal)
4. 04:58 AM - Re: Rocky Mountain oil pressure sender (Trampas)
5. 05:07 AM - RV8 switch locations (Donald Mei)
6. 05:11 AM - Val INS422 vs Garmin 295 GPS (Donald Mei)
7. 05:19 AM - Re: Val INS422 vs Garmin 295 GPS (Art Glaser)
8. 06:20 AM - Re: RV-List Tow Bar (bertrv6@highstream.net)
9. 11:31 AM - Re: Ailerons travel - OOPS - CORRECTION (Richard V. Reynolds)
10. 12:34 PM - Re: RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location (GMC)
11. 01:00 PM - Re: rv-8 switch locations (Kevin Horton)
12. 02:04 PM - Re: rv-8 switch locations (Chiocchio, Stanley)
13. 05:06 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (Charles Rowbotham)
14. 05:21 PM - Re: RV8 switch locations (Charles Rowbotham)
15. 05:38 PM - Re: rv-8 switch locations (Charles Rowbotham)
16. 06:22 PM - IO-360 and RV-6 (rv6tc)
17. 08:09 PM - North to Alaska (Doug Rozendaal)
18. 08:25 PM - Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance (John Danielson)
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"'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com '"@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
There were plans for the finish kit????
Damm, I guess I better go buy a set and see if I done did it raght.
Now whared that liddle ole' engine go anyways, raght up 'dere in front,
ay???
After reading this day's digest I think I'm a gonna go drink myself a quart
of mydol anti hysterisis lubricant.
please do not archive this before I have a chance to go to the bathroom and
share another exciting hairball experience with my number one cat.
;{)
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons travel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds@macs.net>
Bert,
Did you cut away the inboard forward edge of the aileron top skin so it does not
bind with the push rod in the up position. This a triangular cut about 1 inch on
the forward edge and about 2 inches on the inboard side. Start small and work up
to
a "generous" 1/8 clearence. THIS IS NOT SHOWN ON THE PLANS!
Check to make sure the body of the rod end bearings are not binding in the fork
of
the weldments. You may need to grind the openings to get this clearance. This was
the problem on the aileron and elevator control stick forks. Check the bellcrank
forks also.
When everything is correct and the lock nuts are tight, you should be able to
lightly twist the rod ends at the extremes of travel to ensure they are not
binding.
Richard Reynolds, Norfolk VA, RV-6A, Flying (22hrs)
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
> HI:
>
> I cannot get the minimum travel, on the ailerons.
> Things I have checked and done.
> Bell crancks are properly oriented and, distances to bolts 1-3/16 are correct.
> Sitcks are, 90o.vertically.
>
> Ailerons held in neutral position, with (pins on bell crancks)in order to
> fit the length of tubes Bellcranck/ailerons...
>
> Get 23 up and 13 down.....What else can I check? Stops were removed
> as precaution....I canot see what is interfering...
>
> This is a pain, Ay suggestions would be appreciated....
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
> Do Not archive
>
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| Subject: | Rocky Mountain oil pressure sender |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I took off last week and I was showing 94 pounds of oil pressure. Typically
I run 73-74 pounds. Not knowing what was going on, I went back to the
airport and drove.
Last night I pulled the sender and hooked it up to an airline with 80 pounds
in it, the gauge read over 100 then I unhooked the air and realized it was
reading 18 pounds with no air pressure on it. I recalibrated the gauge at
zero and the calibration factor was -30 essentially the limit of the unit.
My question is, has anyone else had this problem, and I assume the sender is
failing, am I correct? Is this sender a Napa store part? a VDO 0-10 bar
sender.
Tailwinds
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Rocky Mountain oil pressure sender |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
I was going to suggest getting a sender for a Mercedes or, other German car
that uses VDO sensors. However I think Mercedes are only 0-5 bar (0-74 psi).
You can get VDO sensors relatively cheap on line. Of course if Rocky
Mountain allows you to calibrate to any sensor you can just pick a sensor up
at Napa and use it.
Regards,
Trampas Stern
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Rozendaal
Subject: RV-List: Rocky Mountain oil pressure sender
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I took off last week and I was showing 94 pounds of oil pressure. Typically
I run 73-74 pounds. Not knowing what was going on, I went back to the
airport and drove.
Last night I pulled the sender and hooked it up to an airline with 80 pounds
in it, the gauge read over 100 then I unhooked the air and realized it was
reading 18 pounds with no air pressure on it. I recalibrated the gauge at
zero and the calibration factor was -30 essentially the limit of the unit.
My question is, has anyone else had this problem, and I assume the sender is
failing, am I correct? Is this sender a Napa store part? a VDO 0-10 bar
sender.
Tailwinds
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | RV8 switch locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Just a thought, I wouldn't put switches on the right hand side. I fly a '4
that was built by someone else. I have switches on the right side. I have
to remove my hand from the stick to turn on what I consider the basics:
boost pump, lights, etc.
While this isn't huge, if I were building, I would put all switches within
reach of my throttle hand.
Chuck Rowbotham, who is on this list, has a wonderfully ergonomic '8
cockpit, including many functions on an Infinity type stick.
Don
"All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create
the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Val INS422 vs Garmin 295 GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
Dan,
You're Garmin is probably set to show heading in true north, NOT magnetic.
While (I believe) VORs are magnetic.
I may have it wrong, but the key item is that they're probably not synched.
The garmin's ship by default to follow true.
Also your error of 17 deg sounds too close to what the magnetic correction
should be. (its 14 degrees in the northeast)
Don
"All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create
the states; the states created the federal government!"---Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Re: Val INS422 vs Garmin 295 GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: Art Glaser <airplane@megsinet.net>
Why not check it at a vor check point or compare it to a hand held or to
another aircraft?
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Tow Bar |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting Philip Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> We are using a elect powered tow bar on a RV and Bonanza
> that is fantastic. It uses a DeWalt elect drill as the power unit and can
> push the Bonanza around all day (about 3 to 4 months) between charges, Great
> quality unit.
>
> Philip: Sounds good, where did you buy it from? Thanks Bert
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons travel - OOPS - CORRECTION |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds@macs.net>
Bert,
CORRECTION: I should have said the OUTBOARD forward edge of the FLAP!
Did you cut away the outboard forward edge of the flap top skin so it
does not
bind with the push rod in the up position. This is a triangular cut
about 1 inch on
the forward edge and about 2 inches on the outboard side. Start small
and work up to
a "generous" 1/8 clearence. THIS IS NOT SHOWN ON THE PLANS!
Check to make sure the body of the rod end bearings are not binding in
the fork of
the weldments. You may need to grind the openings to get this clearance.
This was
the problem on the aileron and elevator control stick forks. Check the bellcrank
forks also.
When everything is correct and the lock nuts are tight, you should be
able to
lightly twist the rod ends at the extremes of travel to ensure they are not
binding.
Richard Reynolds, Norfolk VA, RV-6A, Flying (22hrs)
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
> HI:
>
> I cannot get the minimum travel, on the ailerons.
> Things I have checked and done.
> Bell crancks are properly oriented and, distances to bolts 1-3/16 are correct.
> Sitcks are, 90o.vertically.
>
> Ailerons held in neutral position, with (pins on bell crancks)in order to
> fit the length of tubes Bellcranck/ailerons...
>
> Get 23 up and 13 down.....What else can I check? Stops were removed
> as precaution....I canot see what is interfering...
>
> This is a pain, Ay suggestions would be appreciated....
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
> Do Not archive
>
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| Subject: | RV-6/7 Oxygen Mounting Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: "GMC" <gmcnutt@uniserve.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
For people using oxygen, where and how are you mounting it. I was hoping to
put it right behind the passenger seat between the seat belt tie downs, but
it is too big with the electric flaps. Just wondering what other ideas
others have had.
My 6A setup.
I mounted my O2 bottle vertically in the right forward corner of the baggage
compartment (behind pax seat) and similar to pictures in another post. Made
2 half moon shaped sheet metal brackets and riveted them onto sidewall.
Bottle is secured to brackets with large hose clamps.
Oxygen quick disconnect outlets are installed on 45 degree angled brackets
at front end of arm rests with vinyl low pressure lines running underneath
arm rests back to, and under, rear seat support to "T" fitting and then a
single line to quick disconnect at O2 bottle regulator.
The important thing to remember is that it is very difficult to don O2
equipment in the air, remove headset, hat, darn there goes the glasses -
oh -oh off heading, now how does that stupid cannula go on - dam altitude
oh-oh need another heading change for that next cu top etc, etc.
If planning a high altitude flight everything is set up before departure and
O2 turned on when required. However I find that about 50% of the time I find
myself in an un-planned situation where O2 is needed and I am also busy with
other flying duties such as ATC and dodging cu tops so the O2 setup and
donning must be as simple as possible.
With the bottle on right sidewall it is easy to turn on with right hand
while flying the aircraft. Cannula masks are stored in seat pocket on aft
side of passenger seat and can be easily reached in flight. With the outlets
at the forward end of each arm rest the plug-in process is simple.
George in Langley
6A - 280 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: rv-8 switch locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
>
>From what I can tell, there seems to be about an even split between people
>who have put light switches on the right side console and people who have put
>them somewhere on the instrument panel.
>
>I'm looking for feedback from people with completed and flying RV-8/8As. Did
>you put switches on that right side console, or did you put them on the
>forward panel? Did you wish you had done it differently? What do you see as
>the good and bad points of your chosen mounting location?
>
>I'm trying to decide whether or not to use that right side switch console for
>switches, and I'm looking for some pros and cons.
>
>Thanks.
>-Geoff
>RV-8 QB
If the aircraft will never fly night IFR, you might be OK with light
switches on the right side console. But, if you fly IFR at night,
you will want to be able to quickly be able to switch the strobes OFF
(if you enter cloud and they bother you) and the landing lights ON
(after you break out of cloud on final approach).
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | rv-8 switch locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chiocchio, Stanley" <schiocchio@olhcc.edu>
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
This is getting more action - than the Primer Wars of old.
Please do not archive
>From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Minimum Hours for Insurance
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:58:49 EDT
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 06/18/2004 2:44:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com writes:
>--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 6/18/2004 4:06:39 PM Central Standard Time,
>LeastDrag93066@aol.com writes:
>Jim Ayers
>Less Drag Products, Inc.
>RV-3 N47RV 125 hp = RV-3 N51RV 160 hp
>You figure out how to make a 35 hp difference in performance. I'm not
>talking!!!!!
>Mr. Ayers, why don't u go join the groutchy old fart's forum....
>Doug Preston
>
>How nice of you, Mr. Preston.
>
>However, it's what I DON'T join that will make the difference.
>
>BYE!
>
>
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| Subject: | RV8 switch locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Thanks for the kind words - Will be at
>From: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RV8 switch locations
>Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:06:47 +0000
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald Mei" <don_mei@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Just a thought, I wouldn't put switches on the right hand side. I fly a '4
>that was built by someone else. I have switches on the right side. I have
>to remove my hand from the stick to turn on what I consider the basics:
>boost pump, lights, etc.
>
>While this isn't huge, if I were building, I would put all switches within
>reach of my throttle hand.
>
>Chuck Rowbotham, who is on this list, has a wonderfully ergonomic '8
>cockpit, including many functions on an Infinity type stick.
>
>Don
>
>
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| Subject: | rv-8 switch locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Geoff,
The anwser to your question is based on which hand holds your stick: If you
hold the stick with your right - switches & throttle quad on your left. The
oppsite would be true if you fly your RV with your left hand on the stick -
The switches - throttle quad and radios on the Right.
Not only does this design allow you to keep your hand on your control stick
but also reduces the manipulation effort of switches, ect since your free
hand falls to the swicthes naturally.
This is just the first phase of an ergonomic cockpit design.
We posted some pictures on Oct 12, 2002 and I'll post a more current one
tonight (Shoudl be available in a couple of days.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A (300+ hrs)
>From: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: RV List <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: rv-8 switch locations
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:30:46 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
>
>From what I can tell, there seems to be about an even split between people
>who have put light switches on the right side console and people who have
>put
>them somewhere on the instrument panel.
>
>I'm looking for feedback from people with completed and flying RV-8/8As.
>Did
>you put switches on that right side console, or did you put them on the
>forward panel? Did you wish you had done it differently? What do you see as
>the good and bad points of your chosen mounting location?
>
>I'm trying to decide whether or not to use that right side switch console
>for
>switches, and I'm looking for some pros and cons.
>
>Thanks.
>-Geoff
>RV-8 QB
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
Howdy,
I was looking at an IO-360 today for my RV-6. I have some concerns about
how difficult it would be to fit. If you have any experience, I would sure
appreciate any insight.
Reply off line if you wish.
Thanks,
Keith Hughes
Denver
do not archive.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
All,
I am off to Alaska for the Elmendorf AFB airshow next weekend, I am flying
up on a crowd-killer (aka airliner) Monday, we will do a crew change at
Anchorage and I will be at Elmendorf next weekend with our B-25 "Miss
Mitchell" and then home across Canada early the Mon-Tues following. Any
Alaska RVers that are at the show please stop by the B-25, ask for me, and
say hello. I will give you the VIP tour. No extra charge for putting spit
on the inside of the windshield. As I said last year, everyone should take
a trip to Alaska in a little airplane, it is an easy trip and the most
beautiful flying you will ever do!!!
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Hours for Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <Jdaniel343@bresnan.net>
My 2 cents worth.
When I finished my RV-6, Nation Air wanted me to get signed off by a CFI
with RV experience.
At the time I had 170 hrs. total time, 8 hrs in a Decathalon (which I got my
tailwheel endorcement in), 18 hours in a Hiperbipe, and 20 hours of RV-6A
time (all inclusive in the 170 hrs).
I contacted Tom Irlbeck in Sommerset, WI. He has a RV-8, is a CFI and was a
Top Gun instructor for the Navy.
I had him fly out to Casper, WY and we preceeded for the next 4 days to get
me checked out in my RV-6.
This was great training and I really appreciated Toms patience.
At the end of 16 hrs, Tom signed me off and I felt pretty comfortable behind
the stick when I did my first solo flight in the RV.
Tom signed my log book and thats all Nation Air required.
I had total insurance coverage for $65,000 and it only cost me $1700 for the
first year. The next year I had total time the added up to 330 hrs and my
coverage dropped to $1500. John told me that when I had total time of 500
hrs that insurance would probably be $1200.
I am sure that these figures probably have changed since I sold my RV last
January and didn't need to reapply.
John Danielson
Harmon Rocket next
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