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1. 05:53 AM - Re:how tight threaded fittings in the tank (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: RV-List Bird Rash (John Huft)
3. 07:31 AM - Removing dent in wing (Gordon Robertson)
4. 09:26 AM - Re: water vs oil (Tracy Crook)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: RV-List Bird Rash (Laird Owens)
6. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Insurance Requirement Change (John Helms)
7. 04:08 PM - Falcon Filght in the Rockies (rv6tc)
8. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: Insurance Requirement Change (MMcs139808@aol.com)
9. 10:25 PM - Re: rocket scientists (Jim Anglin)
10. 10:43 PM - RV-6 Rudder Stops (Dean Psiropoulos)
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| Subject: | Re:how tight threaded fittings in the tank |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Better be sure the vent line fitting is tight too. I forgot and left one
only finger tight ,once. It would seep fuel into the line while parked and
periodically spurt it onto the ground,as the tank warmed. After being notified
about my "Fuel leak" numerous times,I finally removed the tank,access cover and
tightened the fitting.
I didn't make the same mistake on the second plane.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Bird Rash |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" <rv8tor@lazy8.net>
I replaced the outboard leading edge skin on my 8. (I was using a bolt in
the tie down hole to jack the airplane, a wheel jumped a chock, and the
plane rolled a little, fell off the jack, and the jack put a big dent in the
bottom of the skin.I couldn't stand the thought of a bondo repair, so I
replaced the whole skin).
Anyway, the 8 skins are prepunched, so it might have been a little easier.
The holes in the new skin matched the holes in the old ribs (and the skin
cost $80...thanks Van's). I had to take the fuel tank off that side so I
could reach in and buck the rivets, and of course the wing tips. I was lucky
that the airplane was not painted yet. It was well worth the trouble in the
end.
Good luck, John Huft
p.s. I don't use the bolt in the tiedown hole anymore.
----- Original Message -----
From: <smoothweasel@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-List Bird Rash
> --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
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> Hey guys, I intercepted the path of a innocent bystander (some kind of
> a bird) at aprox. 180kn. today. It only made a little click noise but
> looking to the left revealed a seen that I didn't wan't to see. I now
> have a really nice or maybe not so nice dent on the leading edge of the
> wing and it isn't where I would put a landing light.
> Have anyone of you had experience doing this kind of repair? Did
> you replace the whole skin or can I cut out the dent, flute the edge and
> then make a new piece to fit the cut out?
>
> The dent is contained between two ribs.
>
> Weasel Graber
> -4 (39hr.....was happy, now feelin bad)
> Brooksville MS
> 662 574 5210
>
>
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| Subject: | Removing dent in wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon Robertson" <grobertson@verizon.net>
>> snip... I did find a pro in a local Antique Auto restoration shop who
was quite
competent in metal fabrication and repair and on aluminum and steel. He
removed my dent in 15 minutes with a body hammer and a dolly. You can not
tell, even under close examination, that the leading edge was damaged ...
end snip
There are franchises all over the place (look in the yellow pages) called
"Dent King", or "Dent Pro" or some such name. Varies with franchise. They
specialize in removing dents from cars without needing repainting etc.
They use special tools and proprietary know-how to push out dents. I am
sure they can do just fine with aluminum.
They advertise that the fix will not be noticeable at all when completed.
Best of all, they only charge about $100 - $200 depending on the size of the
dent, and THEY COME TO YOUR HOUSE WITH THEIR VAN.
Let us know on the list if you try this and if it is satisfactory.
Gordon Robertson
RV8 ready for engine
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| Subject: | Re: water vs oil |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:18:20 -0400
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Wheeler North<mailto:wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
To: 'RV-List Digest Server '<mailto:rv-list-digest@matronics.com> ; "'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com '"@matronics.com<mailto:'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com%20'"@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 1:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: water vs oil
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us<mailto:wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>>
water may boil at 100C but it will evaporate at something slightly below 0C
and above, and very little water by mass will actually dissolve into the
oil. The oil manufacturers work hard on this so that even a luke warm engine
can motivate water out of the oil. The issue is rate, but at 90C it will get
rid of all the water in due time unless you are flying through rain.
The atmosphere you are in will always have a dew point well below engine
temps so it must move the water out eventually. (I've been told this rule
may not hold up in the deep south where it gets so humid the rain falls up)
W
About time somebody dispelled the myth that indicated oil temp has to reach boiling
point to get rid of moisture. Another factor is that all the oil eventually
goes over the cylinder heads where the peak temperature of the oil does
go well over boiling point even when the oil temp indicator is showing 180F or
so.
BTW, we rotor heads measure oil temp after the cooler. Is this the same practice
you Lycoming drivers use?
Tracy
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Bird Rash |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Don't believe it's a "once in a lifetime" event.
I took a sparrow hit on the leading edge of the fuel tank, then a month
later had a hawk come thru the front windshield.
The full story is at:
http://www.vansairforce.net/articles/howtoruinyourwindshield.htm
Pics at:
http://members3.clubphoto.com/socal230330/429051/guest.phtml
Be careful out there.
Laird RV-6 950hrs
SoCal
On Jun 26, 2004, at 3:51 PM, Brian Kraut wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
> The good news is that a bird strike is a once in a lifetime
> experience. You
> have now probably been saved from the chance of one going through your
> windshield sometime later in life.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> smoothweasel@juno.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: RV-List Bird Rash
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: smoothweasel@juno.com
>
> Hey guys, I intercepted the path of a innocent bystander (some kind
> of
> a bird) at aprox. 180kn. today. It only made a little click noise but
> looking to the left revealed a seen that I didn't wan't to see. I now
> have a really nice or maybe not so nice dent on the leading edge of the
> wing and it isn't where I would put a landing light.
> Have anyone of you had experience doing this kind of repair? Did
> you replace the whole skin or can I cut out the dent, flute the edge
> and
> then make a new piece to fit the cut out?
>
> The dent is contained between two ribs.
>
> Weasel Graber
> -4 (39hr.....was happy, now feelin bad)
> Brooksville MS
> 662 574 5210
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Requirement Change |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
No. I've never seen a case where gender was a discriminator. I'm not positive,
but I'd have to think that it'd be illegal.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: Jamie Painter
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Insurance Requirement Change
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
The insurance business is truly a screwy one. If gender can come into
play, why not age? Why not race? Well, because there is a razor-thin
line the insurance companies must tread between adjusting premiums &
policies based upon statistics and 'discriminating'. I don't agree with
it...but it happens.
Maybe JT can answer this: Does gender play a role in aviation insurance
premiums?
- Jamie
do not archive
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Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Falcon Filght in the Rockies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@myawai.com>
Howdy RVers.
I just returned from working at the EAA Rocky Mountain fly in where I worked
on the line with the airshow performers. I wanted to publicly let you all
(all-Y'all for the Texans) know how well represented we are by the members
of Falcon Flight. To those of you who have seen them fly, their flying
speaks for itself. We had performers ranging from a DeHavilland DH-112
Venom (only three flying) to a MIG -17, with a number of military and
professional pilots, but I wanted to tell you that no one was as totally
professional and easy to work with as the Falcon Flight. Their hard work
made a positive impression on everyone at the air show staff, and are
fantastic ambassadors to the RV world.
Just thought you should know.
Thanks guys, it was a pleasure.
Keith Hughes
RV-6
Denver
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Requirement Change |
--> RV-List message posted by: MMcs139808@aol.com
In the UK/Ireland several insurance companies offer reduced rates for lady
automobile drivers.
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| Subject: | Re: rocket scientists |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <jlanglin44@earthlink.net>
What I have learned so far is that the deviation bar output (left + and
right +) of the GNC300 will control the autopilot. There is some evidence
that it takes the abalog and converts it to digital but that can't be
verified. I am connecting via the deviation bar outputs and praying. Even
if it doesn't follow a course it will hold the plane level while I look at a
chart...............<G>
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
<"'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com '"@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: rocket scientists
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> Jim,
>
> most of us rocket scientists on the list don't happen to have a schematic
of
> a garmin 300 in our back pockets so your question wasn't very answerable.
>
> I can tell you that the 400 series garmins put out "aviation" gps data,
the
> handhelds put out national marine electronics association 0183 verxx data.
> Not sure what the differences are in these two types data streams but I
> believe they are different.
>
> I don't remember if the porcine converter will digest the aviation type
data
> or not, but it will digest the nmea 0183 data.
>
> the trio avionics unit will digest either though.
>
> I can attest that the navaid works better on the serial data then it does
on
> the analog data, (less oscillation) but it does work on both. And the trio
> works better then the navaid both staying on track and not wandering.
>
> Call porcine or try chuck at trio avionics if you want more specific info.
> He's very friendly and would be glad to help you out even if you don't buy
> his product.
>
> W
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-6 Rudder Stops |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Psiropoulos" <deanpsir@easystreet.com>
Ok guys I've been pulling my hair out tonight about this thing. I've
thought about this and even drawn out the geometry. 35 degrees from
neutral to left stop and 35 degrees from neutral to right stop is what the
instructions say. If the fuselage sides were straight, that would mean the
angle cut into the stop should be 55 degrees (since the rudder horn is 90
degrees to neutral rudder, 180 deg fuse centerline minus 90deg horn minus 35
degrees max rudder travel equal 55 degrees remaining). However the fuse
sides are not straight and since they angle outward toward the rudder (sort
of) one must make the angle in the stop smaller to account for this. My
measurements show the fuse sides angle about 10 degrees back in the tail
area. So.due to this fact it looks like I need to also subtract this value
from the 180 degrees in the equation above, which leaves me with a 45 degree
cut in the rudder stop. It also seems like an RV builder long ago told me
that his stop came out to be about 45 degrees but I don't remember for
certain. So..those of you who've done this, is 45 degrees the right answer?
And while I was trimming my side skins to try and get the rudder to be able
to travel that far (assuming 45 degree stop) I seem to have run into
something that is keeping the rudder from quite getting there. Can't seem
to figure out exactly what that is yet (which is what caused me to draw out
the geometry and start pulling what little is left of my hair out) but that
brought up the question...if indeed my calculations are correct and I need
the 45 degree stop can I actually get the rudder to move that far? Anybody
had a problem getting your rudder to bump up against the stop (assuming you
needed that much angle on the stop)? Thanks for the help.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
TMX-360 in test cell this week.
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